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They can do whatever. It's their life for sure. But when they have 8-9-10 year old fans also. And they show that they are drinking and making it look cool with songs etc that is just wrong period.
They used to be more careful about that in their earlier years. They've loosened up about that. I think, though, when a large portion of your fanbase is underage, you have a responsibility to refrain from glamorizing drinking. Nothing wrong (well, other than the dangers you pointed out, that is) with them drinking since they are legally old enough, they just don't need to be doing it on v-lives or advertising liquor.
 





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Not BTS related....but today Taylor Swifft posted a video that promotes the LGBTQ agenda (shocking!)
Here this guy explains it:


I watch this video and then I go on twitter and I see this hashtag trending #LGBTQARMYSelcaDay
so now.. BTS fans have a selca day only for LGBTQ people.....but most of their fans are kids and teens right?

this agenda is everywhere....its so obvious that I dont know how anybody can deny it
 





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They used to be more careful about that in their earlier years. They've loosened up about that. I think, though, when a large portion of your fanbase is underage, you have a responsibility to refrain from glamorizing drinking. Nothing wrong (well, other than the dangers you pointed out, that is) with them drinking since they are legally old enough, they just don't need to be doing it on v-lives or advertising liquor.
the wine he was promoting....sold out


their fans buy everything they promote....including alcohol
 





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Really? I've never heard of a guy doing that. I know women do because no woman wants to have a mustache, but a man? I guess Koreans really don't like facial hair on men.
If i'm not mistaken, partly of eastern asian woman doesn't like seeing a man with beard or any facial hair. In korea itself, man with beard will consider unattractive cos they look dirty and ungroomed. I've seen a reaction videos over korean women towards southeast asia men, they still swoon with the thin moustache but at the end of the day. They still prefer the one with clean unhair face with strong masculinity but with boyish face. It's really boyish

5 from 6 prefer this type:

Over this type:
 





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i see that nobody really talking about bang*an attic, well thought its not new but as a common people who watched it, and how much i gained from it. and yet i'm sorry i can't pinpoint when exactly they spoke about these certain things :rolleyes:

1. SJ confirmed about their concept personas. so guys, the person itself assured it for us. so what we see about each members definitely their personas, man made. i don't see the reason to said that this one is kinder than this one or this one is forced to join the evil by this one. we don't know, they might be angel in the surface but deep down, they might be the nastiest demon alive. idk
2. JK admitted he live his personas, and TH said his didn't different with his own self. in my opinion, even without the mk personas, you'll start to turn into the molded person you're forced into. my poin is, its possible to turn into a kind heart caring person to blend the certain working space when actually you're a cold heart and bit ignorant. but that my example as a common person.
3. NJ described himself as hermione, even if the entire dialogue is scripted. doesn't it sound weird, hermione we know who she is. what are they trying to said? NJ described himself as a genius? or a mud-blood (non zionist) genius sorcery? or he come along with our magician theories.
 





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That's people that have just seen the truth I guess. Burning those books and picture might make some people angry. So its pointless to me. Why invite even more hatred? This could cause the fans to love them even more. They could just throw them in the garbage.

If i'm not mistaken, partly of eastern asian woman doesn't like seeing a man with beard or any facial hair. In korea itself, man with beard will consider unattractive cos they look dirty and ungroomed. I've seen a reaction videos over korean women towards southeast asia men, they still swoon with the thin moustache but at the end of the day. They still prefer the one with clean unhair face with strong masculinity but with boyish face. It's really boyish

5 from 6 prefer this type:

Over this type:
Not so long ago it was the same thing in my country too. Even though some older man kept their moustache. But this is just trends. Some people aren't that open to change their views or style. But nowdays the "beard mania" is widespread the beard is seen everywhere. From the us to all the way to almost asia. I wonder why they made the beard so trendy. Maybe is was to make those asians look even more feminine in our eyes since we are used to see more men with beards than never before.


i see that nobody really talking about bang*an attic, well thought its not new but as a common people who watched it, and how much i gained from it. and yet i'm sorry i can't pinpoint when exactly they spoke about these certain things :rolleyes:

1. SJ confirmed about their concept personas. so guys, the person itself assured it for us. so what we see about each members definitely their personas, man made. i don't see the reason to said that this one is kinder than this one or this one is forced to join the evil by this one. we don't know, they might be angel in the surface but deep down, they might be the nastiest demon alive. idk
2. JK admitted he live his personas, and TH said his didn't different with his own self. in my opinion, even without the mk personas, you'll start to turn into the molded person you're forced into. my poin is, its possible to turn into a kind heart caring person to blend the certain working space when actually you're a cold heart and bit ignorant. but that my example as a common person.
3. NJ described himself as hermione, even if the entire dialogue is scripted. doesn't it sound weird, hermione we know who she is. what are they trying to said? NJ described himself as a genius? or a mud-blood (non zionist) genius sorcery? or he come along with our magician theories.
We talked about this video you have to look a few pages before :) That hermoine thing was weird. :confused: They see themselves as hogward going students? That's so funny and creepy. They have no clue about life and are stuck in this situation. Those companies beat and shape them to become the perfect puppets. They will do everything they are asked. Maybe that's why once asked what would you say to your younger self hobi said to study harder in school. Because this golden cage slave life is not worth it.
the wine he was promoting....sold out


their fans buy everything they promote....including alcohol
That's what I'm saying he kissed that bottle of wine like it's his sweetheart. Some fans got angry that younger fan had bought all of it. And didn't have the chance to purchase it.
Not BTS related....but today Taylor Swifft posted a video that promotes the LGBTQ agenda (shocking!)
Here this guy explains it:


I watch this video and then I go on twitter and I see this hashtag trending #LGBTQARMYSelcaDay
so now.. BTS fans have a selca day only for LGBTQ people.....but most of their fans are kids and teens right?

this agenda is everywhere....its so obvious that I dont know how anybody can deny it
How is it shocking? Isn't that what she is all about now?
And my friend was happy that she made up with her bff katy. People are so clueless even after watching those mvs.
 





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ok now, for one thing, we have to give them credit for. they ARE THAT handsome, maybe you dont see it in that point, but most girls fall for their looks, not the music. they dont even bother to translate the lyrics and grasp the meaning of their songs. How did you think they got famous ? Cause fans read the album notes, books references and mv analyses ? lol. bts wouldnt have a single fan left, if people actually delved into all of the REAL spicy stuff. idk how many of you have actually read Demian or Omelas or have seen The Chatroom, but I have. and I know exactly what they are trying to convey. Anyone with a brain can connect the dots. they have been pretty straightforward their entire career tbh, idk how cant people see it. like tf dude, compare a supposedly "young but fake love" to Devils Advocate ? fucking Eyes Wide Shut to a tired heartbroken lover who wants to love himself ? nahhh.
It doesnt make sense that way. but unfortunately armys are infants by brain so thats where the looks go out to play. lets be real, before I barely knew what they were saying, their faces pulled me in the rabbit hole. its sad that people only stay just for that, proving once again that our generation is truly superficial and doomed.
Kpop itself thrives by appearance
That is why every group has a few visuals and those visuals are centre of marketing and that is how they get fans
The visuals are also the most popular member of their respective groups (Kai Exo, V BTS, Rowoon SF9, Eunwoo Astro) i could go on lol because most visuals are the most popular and get the most acknowledgemnet in tv appearances, centre stage etc
But doesnt everything. The world has become very materialistic and its hardly the talent that lures most of the fanbase in but the visuals that are thrown out although i believe they work hard
The visual of Stray Kids talked about how he wishes he was appreciated for his dancing and talents rather than his looks as hes worked really had to be recognised
Every group has to meet a level of attractiveness to add flavour to their group and allow fangirls to maintain interest its such a superficial ideology but unfortunately a lot of us think like this
 





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I get where you are coming from, its hard for most people not to be empathetic. I guess I am really a cynic person, but that is just because I think that they enjoy what they do, so there's that.

They are totally okay with being MKed as showed in IDOL, totally okay with skinship and gay ships (though they have reduced that in the last days), totally okay hanging out with celebs who are well known to be illuminati, totally okay to pose like children and attract pedophiles, totally okay with acting like dumb blondes, totally okay acting submissive.

Now...ofc the company has to do a lot with it, but the company can only go this far. They started off pretty nicely with the rebel concept, and to this day, that is still my all-time favorite. Whats there not to like about No More Dream though ? Fierce, full of youth, original and most importantly RAW.

You cant see that now, and that is because they chose not to stay original, but to be slaves of the industry. Sometimes I think they were actually sold out way before their debut and the tough boy era was just a facade, but that is just a theory.

Anyways, they wanted more fame, hence they changed the concept, but that is not something I should feel sorry for. Its the path they chose and no one forced them to do it. I mean...look at Stray Kids, a tough rebel boy concept and still slaying it. They could have been that. But they chose not to.

Have you heard any of the songs in Map of the Soul Persona ? None, and I mean none of the songs is actually worth listening to. Its just repetitive, watered-down cheesy pop. I could write better lyrics than that. The whole thing was so rushed and so incomplete, it just feels empty and lazy. But that is what they chose. They might as well have gone with the wholesome concepts like Fake Love or BS&T, but I feel like they were tired of working that hard for nothing. Armys wouldn't catch the meaning anyways. Hence the most generic mv and melody ever : Boy With Luv. Tada !

As much as we hate to admit it, they will never get back to their old eras. Their sound will keep getting worse each comeback (if they manage to have any) and that's it. There will still be listeners that like the genre, but that is not the case. That is their problem not ours, we need to face the reality that they are changing lanes cause they want to, not cause they are forced to.
im sorry but why would anyone in their right mind be okay with having to go through mk ultra procedure.... like no theyre human after all im sure evey human loves their mind being controlled and altered
I was right after all you are an Army troll. The way you write things it is obvious you are a die hard fan trolling this thread.
lmao this made me laugh !!
 





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im sorry but why would anyone in their right mind be okay with having to go through mk ultra procedure.... like no theyre human after all im sure evey human loves their mind being controlled and altered

lmao this made me laugh !!
The reason is always the same for money and fame they don't care.
 





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but they dont even get the money their company does
What do they get? They must get something that they go on in this masquerade.
From paid shows, sponsors to merchandise, commercials etc. They have definitely paid off their debt by now. And must be earning money now. They keep wearing the most expensive brands. Also they have bought appartments.

"There's a high possibility that the boys no longer live together.
As previously reported, Jungkook has just bought his apartment worth of KRW 1.95 billion (approximately USD 1.75 Million) without getting any loans. By this, four members of BTS have their own apartment, while the three -- RM, Jimin, and V -- have not been revealed to purchase any.

JHope was the first member to buy his own apartment. JHope bought a unit at 'Trimage' apartment complex (same as Jungkook's) back in 2016. JHope received loans from Woori Bank in 2017 but he paid everything back in September 2018.

Jin and Suga have been also reported to have bought their own apartment. Jin purchased an apartment in Hanam-dong, Seoul, in March 2018. Meanwhile, Suga bought an apartment in UN Village, Seoul, in August 2018.

Knowing that four members of the group now have their own apartments, fans have been assuming that BTS' members are no longer living in a dorm. Several comments found on the web read, "We are now waiting for RM, Jimin, and V", "I think they are now living apart", "It's been 7 years since their debut, so yes, they may be not in one dorm now", and more.
What are your thoughts on this, ladies and gentlemen?"

https://www.kstarlive.com/Four-BTS-...ans-Suspect-Their-Dorm-Life-has-Ended-6049212
 





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What do they get? They must get something that they go on in this masquerade.
From paid shows, sponsors to merchandise, commercials etc. They have definitely paid off their debt by now. And must be earning money now. They keep wearing the most expensive brands. Also they have bought appartments.

"There's a high possibility that the boys no longer live together.
As previously reported, Jungkook has just bought his apartment worth of KRW 1.95 billion (approximately USD 1.75 Million) without getting any loans. By this, four members of BTS have their own apartment, while the three -- RM, Jimin, and V -- have not been revealed to purchase any.

JHope was the first member to buy his own apartment. JHope bought a unit at 'Trimage' apartment complex (same as Jungkook's) back in 2016. JHope received loans from Woori Bank in 2017 but he paid everything back in September 2018.

Jin and Suga have been also reported to have bought their own apartment. Jin purchased an apartment in Hanam-dong, Seoul, in March 2018. Meanwhile, Suga bought an apartment in UN Village, Seoul, in August 2018.

Knowing that four members of the group now have their own apartments, fans have been assuming that BTS' members are no longer living in a dorm. Several comments found on the web read, "We are now waiting for RM, Jimin, and V", "I think they are now living apart", "It's been 7 years since their debut, so yes, they may be not in one dorm now", and more.
What are your thoughts on this, ladies and gentlemen?"

https://www.kstarlive.com/Four-BTS-...ans-Suspect-Their-Dorm-Life-has-Ended-6049212
Well then to say they are controlled is contradictory, They arent controlled by their boss if they have the freedom to have their own homes without Band PD watching over them
They are very free
 





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Well then to say they are controlled is contradictory, They arent controlled by their boss if they have the freedom to have their own homes without Band PD watching over them
They are very free
Unless they have stockholm's syndrome. But, yeah, I'd guess that they are -- at this point -- doing it of their own free will. Greed is a powerful thing. You don't always have to be brainwashed to throw your morals out the window in order to be rich and famous. Lots of people willingly make that deal. I still think they were too young initially to know what they were doing -- but they are old enough now to have figured things out. When they resigned the contract (unless they were threatened to do it), they made a choice.

Of course, it is interesting that Jhope was the first to buy an apartment. Wasn't he also the one who wanted to leave? And maybe the fact that they don't live together anymore and have a bit more freedom is the reason why we see them not getting along like they used to and drinking more, etc. They were pretty tightly controlled before. Ironically, they are more likely to break down now than when they were highly controlled. More freedom = more time to think and being around people outside of BH might lead them to undo some of their initial programming.

I think BH sees the writing on the wall and that is why JK is being primed to go solo. Just in case.
 





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Unless they have stockholm's syndrome. But, yeah, I'd guess that they are -- at this point -- doing it of their own free will. Greed is a powerful thing. You don't always have to be brainwashed to throw your morals out the window in order to be rich and famous. Lots of people willingly make that deal. I still think they were too young initially to know what they were doing -- but they are old enough now to have figured things out. When they resigned the contract (unless they were threatened to do it), they made a choice.

Of course, it is interesting that Jhope was the first to buy an apartment. Wasn't he also the one who wanted to leave? And maybe the fact that they don't live together anymore and have a bit more freedom is the reason why we see them not getting along like they used to and drinking more, etc. They were pretty tightly controlled before. Ironically, they are more likely to break down now than when they were highly controlled. More freedom = more time to think and being around people outside of BH might lead them to undo some of their initial programming.

I think BH sees the writing on the wall and that is why JK is being primed to go solo. Just in case.
Wow they are worse than I thought I guess, thanks to this thread i continue to learn new things
Btw, your posts are so insightful and you seem like such a good mother to your daughter esecially as you take the tim out to research for her safety what she listens to. As a teen myself I find that BTS is very good at luring young minds and brainwashing them as I was only 14 myself when i was a fan so to have parents like you who stand for the minority and actually take the time out instead of ecouraging their kids is really good
 





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Wow they are worse than I thought I guess, thanks to this thread i continue to learn new things
Btw, your posts are so insightful and you seem like such a good mother to your daughter esecially as you take the tim out to research for her safety what she listens to. As a teen myself I find that BTS is very good at luring young minds and brainwashing them as I was only 14 myself when i was a fan so to have parents like you who stand for the minority and actually take the time out instead of ecouraging their kids is really good
Thank you, but I wish I had been more on top of things before. The world has changed a lot since I was a kid. Some things are better, but the internet has brought new problems to the younger generation that I never had to navigate and I think I'm a little behind the curve. It isn't that I don't know technology -- I worked as a computer programmer before I became a stay at home mom -- but I didn't really understand exactly how much influence social media would have. I thought I could just have conversations with my kids about what they saw and steer them in the right direction, even if they happened to see something bad or inappropriate. But, there is this mindset that adults don't "get it" because we were not raised with the technology and kids don't really see the wisdom in following older traditions or morality. I think I was a little naive and a little too "open minded", especially about the LGBQT movement and thought that there was no harm in preaching tolerance. But, it is clear that there is an agenda and a brainwashing happening with kids regarding gender/sexual orientation and my generation dropped the ball on that one. I am encouraged that there are so many young people on here who can see symbolism and hidden agendas in the entertainment world and I hope once your generation is running things, you'll make better choices than mine did.
 





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Been off for a few days, and got caught up lol.

You are a slave regardless in this world. The problem is, is whether or not you are going to be a good influence. BTS are no different than any other celebrity. We have to understand that once you put yourself in a bad situation, it is hard to get yourself out of that bad situation. They are still in debt whether we believe that or not. You really think that they are just enjoying life without a care? No, they are more worst off than we common folks are. They probably looked at all their options before taking the 7 year contract deal again. We talked about this before on this thread, so really this topic is not new, and there is really not much to talk about when it comes to BTS. When you are no longer worth something in the industry, it is easy for them to just throw you back out, like you never existed. Once that backup (the company) is gone, you are no longer taken care of. The sponsorships, and merch deals leave once you don't have that agency to back you up. Just like a college scholarship, you don't keep your grades up, you loose the scholarship.

BTS have family members that they are taking care of, and if that money is gone, the whole entire family suffers. Why do you think Jhope, and other members said that they would've studied harder in their high school days? Because alot is on the line. When you mess up in this industry, it is hard to come back and wipe the slate clean. So basically, either put up and shut up, or suffer the consequences. Consequences are no more money, your name is now slandered, and you will never be able to work in society as you once were in.
 





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We talked about this video you have to look a few pages before :) That hermoine thing was weird. :confused: They see themselves as hogward going students? That's so funny and creepy. They have no clue about life and are stuck in this situation. Those companies beat and shape them to become the perfect puppets. They will do everything they are asked. Maybe that's why once asked what would you say to your younger self hobi said to study harder in school. Because this golden cage slave life is not worth it.
Aaa... I'm sorry i think i missed it. There's bunch of weird post yesterday so i skipped few pages and posts. Actually, something caught me is @inquisitor post about NJ goes to malta with his parents. And malta, has a long history about knight templar and freem*son. So.... That lead me to non zionist sorcery NJ.
 





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I dropped this because, here's the prove that what you see isn't what you think. I know some of you still found pity in them, and maybe bit reluctant to let it go. I know how hard it is especially if you go through with them for years and years or since their debut.
Well, no need to rush. Some people can't be push through a wall. So take your time, but keep in mind for the truth unfold.
Let's go through all of this, until we can be freed. And have no reason to comeback here again