British Israelism

[Lisa]

Most Israelites are not Jews, though.

How’s that?

 

[bible_student]

How’s that?

Because Jews are only a small part of Israel. True Jews descend from Judah (who was one of the twelve sons/tribes of Jacob/Israel). The descendants of the other tribes/sons of Jacob/Israel (who are by far the majority in the world today) are all Israelites, but they are not Jews (or Jewish).

 

[AspiringSoul]

The Jews have returned and are living in Israel right now.

Take your head out of your arsehole for a minute and realise that Jews "returned" during the sassanian-byzantine wars before being kicked out again.
Then Muslims conquered it and Jews returned again and have lived there ever since except after the first crusade.

This ignorant idea you have of this grand return of Jewish people to the holy land..is propaganda..Christian propaganda. It was Christians who kicked Jews out..not Muslims. The thing is the Jews in israel who've come from Europe they're khazar Jews..akshenazis. they have very little Jewish blood in them, if any.
In fact the Palestinian people have more Jewish blood in them than the akshenazis.


Also I wasnt talking about Jews only I'm talking about the Israelites..the lost tribes.

 

[Lisa]

Because Jews are only a small part of Israel. True Jews descend from Judah (who was one of the twelve sons/tribes of Jacob/Israel). The descendants of the other tribes/sons of Jacob/Israel (who are by far the majority in the world today) are all Israelites, but they are not Jews (or Jewish).

All Jews are Israelites...from the 12 tribes. Whether they are believing Jews..and we can argue over the beliefs of those Jews..but if they are descendants from the 12 twelve tribes..they are the Jews that God promised the land to..an everlasting promise..means its theirs forever.

 

[Lisa]

Take your head out of your arsehole for a minute and realise that Jews "returned" during the sassanian-byzantine wars before being kicked out again.
Then Muslims conquered it and Jews returned again and have lived there ever since except after the first crusade.

This ignorant idea you have of this grand return of Jewish people to the holy land..is propaganda..Christian propaganda. It was Christians who kicked Jews out..not Muslims. The thing is the Jews in israel who've come from Europe they're khazar Jews..akshenazis. they have very little Jewish blood in them, if any.
In fact the Palestinian people have more Jewish blood in them than the akshenazis.


Also I wasnt talking about Jews only I'm talking about the Israelites..the lost tribes.

You needn‘t talk to me like that...that’s bad manners ya know.

I think you‘re correct when you say the Jews returned again and they’ve been in the land for 70 years...no ones taken them out of the land..though people have tried and lost. That in itself is pretty big..wouldn’t you say?

I wouldn’t call it propaganda...like you said they weren’t there for a long time and now they are back and have been back for 70 years and its caused all sorts of problems for them, the peoples around them and the world...just like scripture said it would...hmmm!

The Jews are the descendants of the 12 tribes...God’s chosen people.

 

[bible_student]

All Jews are Israelites...from the 12 tribes. Whether they are believing Jews..and we can argue over the beliefs of those Jews..but if they are descendants from the 12 twelve tribes..they are the Jews that God promised the land to..an everlasting promise..means its theirs forever.

All true Jews are Israelites, but not all Israelites are Jews.
Just like how all Scots are British, but not all the British are Scots.
Also, Judaism is a religion not a race of people.

 

[Lisa]

All true Jews are Israelites, but not all Israelites are Jews.
Just like how all Scots are British, but not all the British are Scots.
Also, Judaism is a religion not a race of people.

Antisemitism (also spelled anti-semitism or anti-Semitism) is hostility to, prejudice, or discrimination against Jews.[1][2][3] A person who holds such positions is called an antisemite. Antisemitism is generally considered to be a form of racism.

 

[bible_student]

Antisemitism (also spelled anti-semitism or anti-Semitism) is hostility to, prejudice, or discrimination against Jews.[1][2][3] A person who holds such positions is called an antisemite. Antisemitism is generally considered to be a form of racism.

And the incapacitating slur of antisemitism is employed overwhelmingly by people who are themselves not Semites, but who are Japhetites (Genesis 10:1-3) and/or their dupes and lackeys, meaning that it is a load of nonsense and a bold-faced lie.

This is really lame of you, Lisa. I somehow hoped/expected better of you, but it seems I was wrong. Perhaps you need to take a moment to go and reflect.

Genesis
10:1 Now these [are] the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood.
10:2 The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.
10:3 And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah.

Ashkenazis (as their name says) are Japhethites who converted to the religion of Judaism, which means that they themselves are not Semites, because they are descended from Japheth not Shem.

Being a Japhethite is nothing whatsoever to be ashamed of. However, telling lies is.

 

[Lisa]

And the incapacitating slur of antisemitism is employed overwhelmingly by people who are themselves not Semites, but who are Japhetites (Genesis 10:1-3) and/or their dupes and lackeys, meaning that it is a load of nonsense and a bold-faced lie.

This is really lame of you, Lisa. I somehow hoped/expected better of you, but it seems I was wrong. Perhaps you need to take a moment to go and reflect.

Genesis
10:1 Now these [are] the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood.
10:2 The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.
10:3 And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah.

Ashkenazis (as their name says) are Japhethites who converted to the religion of Judaism, which means that they themselves are not Semites, because they are descended from Japheth not Shem.

Being a Japhethite is nothing whatsoever to be ashamed of. However, telling lies is.

Lol! What’s lame? Anti-semitism is a form of racism...racism against Jewish people. You can’t really argue with that can you?

 

[AspiringSoul]

You needn‘t talk to me like that...that’s bad manners ya know.

I think you‘re correct when you say the Jews returned again and they’ve been in the land for 70 years...no ones taken them out of the land..though people have tried and lost. That in itself is pretty big..wouldn’t you say?

I wouldn’t call it propaganda...like you said they weren’t there for a long time and now they are back and have been back for 70 years and its caused all sorts of problems for them, the peoples around them and the world...just like scripture said it would...hmmm!

The Jews are the descendants of the 12 tribes...God’s chosen people.

Honestly Lisa, i have to use language like that to emphasise what i'm feeling when I read this type of shit. It's actually wrong on so many levels to just discredit 1200+ years of history between muslims and REAL jews. To act like we were the antagonists and jews had to struggle to 'return'.
The arrival of islam, saved jews from extinction.
i never said 'the jews RETURNED' there, because they were already there. Palestine was owned by the Ottomons, the ottomons were historically very friendly towards jews.

there were already plenty of jews in the holy land. This is a video showing muslims, christians and jews just living their life without tension.

Scripture wasnt talking about the JEWS, it was talking about the 10 tribes in exile.
The jews returning is part of that prophecy too..
and since that prophecy takes place in a post euphrates war, post second coming of Jesus context, that only proves that modern israel and it's fake jewish ashkenazis are something else entirely.

"God's chosen people" are not a bloodline but a spiritual lineage. As it says in the NT, the 'wild branches were grafted in' and Jesus said "God can raise children of Abraham from these stones".
At this point because of the mixing of races...every part of arab and persian society has jewish blood in them. We don't know who is truely jewish and part of the future remnant. God does..

Also, it wasnt a struggle to establish israel. They're wealthy and have always had superior technology/weapons. Superior fighter planes meant their air force won them wars against their arab neighbours.
Also..have you learnt nothing from the bible? this is why i have to curse..because you say the dumbest shit without any thought to it's implications

"neither by MIGHT, NO POWER, but by MY SPIRIT"
Read Ezekiel 38/39. The messianic prophecies talk of a land without borders, walls and weapons.
that isnt the state of israel...
Read Revelation 11..when the false jewish messiah takes over, the city of jerusalem will be 'figurately' known as 'sodom and egypt'
and what the hell does that really mean? GAY and Pagan.

This wasnt happening before the state of israel

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem_gay_pride_parade

https://illuminatisymbols.info/israel/

 

[AspiringSoul]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_the_Ottoman_Empire

 

[AspiringSoul]

@Lisa when i said
"Then Muslims conquered it and Jews returned again" i meant this
https://www.timesofisrael.com/archaeologists-expose-muslim-jewish-dialogue-in-jerusalem-from-1300-years-ago/
read the full article

the establishment of modern israel was something else. it was a western colonial project where they sent in 'european/white' jews, many of whom are secular/athiests.
real jews wouldnt be doing no gay parade in the holiest jewish city.

this is an imposter state and any self proclaimed christian who believes modern israel is messianic deserves to burn with it when the day comes.
Rev 17/18 if you want to know more.

 

[bible_student]

Lol! What’s lame? Anti-semitism is a form of racism...racism against Jewish people. You can’t really argue with that can you?

What you did is lame and it was also in very poor taste.

It was pointed out to you that not all Israelites are Jews, since you didn't seem to know it, even though this is a very basic and simple Bible knowledge.

The House of Judah (2-Tribes) - Jews
The House of Israel (10-Tribes) - Israel

But you obviously do not count as being one of the people who have comprehended it, so an attempt was made to explain this to you in simple and easy to understand language and by giving you an illustrative example, to make it even easier for you to be able to understand it.

And then what did you do?

You wrote a lame response of very poor taste, of which you should be ashamed. Do I need to explain again why that is, Lisa?

The definition you gave is also wrong and needs to be updated.

Antisemitism is anti-semitism (being anti/against Semites, for instance, people who are anti/against Arabs are anti-semites by definition and people who are against/anti Israelites are also anti-semites). Both Arabs and Israelites are Semites. Follow?

As was explained, not all Jews are Semites. This is not hidden knowledge, it is widely known.

Judaism is a religion and one which has been accepting converts from multiple non semitic races for a long time. Now, when Chinese people convert to Islam, as many of them have done, it does not magically transform them into Arabs (Semites). Are you still with me? They remain Chinese despite having adopted a new religion (Islam). So, they might call themselves Chinese Muslims. But they won't call themselves Arabs or Semites, because if they did so it would not only be wrong, but people would laugh at it (for obvious reasons).

It works the exact same with Judaism. Many people of different races have converted to the religion known as Judaism, and just like with the Chinese people who adopted Islam as their religion, this did not magically transform them into Semites (descendants of Shem), the same as how Chinese converts to Islam do not become magically transformed into Arabs the moment they say the Shahada (who ARE Semites - The Arabs, unlike for instance Ashkenazis, who are Japhethites) just by adopting a new religion.

The Ashkenazi's, being Gentiles from Russia (Japhethites - Gen. 10:1-3) are converts to Judaism. They are therefore Gentile Jews (like "Chinese Muslims") as their name states. "Ahkenazi (i.e. Gentile / Japhethite) Jews (Jewish Converts)".

Religions accept converts. And Judaism, just as an example, has had multiple mass conversions adding to it throughout history. Those people who converted did not magically become Semites, if they were not Semites by birth (Semite is a race of people not a religion) just like Chinese people are a race of people (Chinese) not a religion.

These are basic things that you have demonstrated not to have any understanding of whatsoever. It's no wonder that people feel like cussing when they see some of the nonsense replies that you write. Hopefully, this explanation will help you see why your reply was wrong, and what we wrote had nothing to do with antisemitism or being anti-semitic.

So, your reply was completely out of place. This thread is about British Israel, not Judaism or the Jews.

P.S. There are also not 12 Tribes of Jews, so please stop saying that too as it is a ridiculous anti-Biblical thing to be saying.

Israel refers to the Tribes of Joseph (Ephraim and Manasseh) along with the rest of the 10-Tribed "House of Israel"
Jews refers to the two Tribes of Judah/Jewdah and Benjamin i.e. the 2-Tribed "House of Judah"

Bible basics.

 

[Phithx]

The "Antisemitism" hoax

 

[AspiringSoul]

The israelites were exiled EAST beyond the jordan river. One of the better known lost tribe theories is of the Pashtun. That one just seems to click for some reason.
Pakistan is governed by Imran Khan, a pashtun guy. He was married to a jewish woman (Jemima Goldsmith/Khan)./not that him being married to a jewish woman makes him an israelite, but i just think it's kind of eerie.

it talks about the ancient Hepthalites/white huns, connecting them with the Tribe of Napthtali
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribe_of_Naphtali
i dont know much about them, never looked into it before.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hephthalites#Possible_descendants
i'm rajput.
believe me even if rajputs were genetically linked to jews...i wouldn't want an israeli passport so this doesnt mean shit other than being quite ironic.

 

[Lisa]

What you did is lame and it was also in very poor taste.

It was pointed out to you that not all Israelites are Jews, since you didn't seem to know it, even though this is a very basic and simple Bible knowledge.

The House of Judah (2-Tribes) - Jews
The House of Israel (10-Tribes) - Israel

But you obviously do not count as being one of the people who have comprehended it, so an attempt was made to explain this to you in simple and easy to understand language and by giving you an illustrative example, to make it even easier for you to be able to understand it.

And then what did you do?

You wrote a lame response of very poor taste, of which you should be ashamed. Do I need to explain again why that is, Lisa?

The definition you gave is also wrong and needs to be updated.

Antisemitism is anti-semitism (being anti/against Semites, for instance, people who are anti/against Arabs are anti-semites by definition and people who are against/anti Israelites are also anti-semites). Both Arabs and Israelites are Semites. Follow?

As was explained, not all Jews are Semites. This is not hidden knowledge, it is widely known.

Judaism is a religion and one which has been accepting converts from multiple non semitic races for a long time. Now, when Chinese people convert to Islam, as many of them have done, it does not magically transform them into Arabs (Semites). Are you still with me? They remain Chinese despite having adopted a new religion (Islam). So, they might call themselves Chinese Muslims. But they won't call themselves Arabs or Semites, because if they did so it would not only be wrong, but people would laugh at it (for obvious reasons).

It works the exact same with Judaism. Many people of different races have converted to the religion known as Judaism, and just like with the Chinese people who adopted Islam as their religion, this did not magically transform them into Semites (descendants of Shem), the same as how Chinese converts to Islam do not become magically transformed into Arabs the moment they say the Shahada (who ARE Semites - The Arabs, unlike for instance Ashkenazis, who are Japhethites) just by adopting a new religion.

The Ashkenazi's, being Gentiles from Russia (Japhethites - Gen. 10:1-3) are converts to Judaism. They are therefore Gentile Jews (like "Chinese Muslims") as their name states. "Ahkenazi (i.e. Gentile / Japhethite) Jews (Jewish Converts)".

Religions accept converts. And Judaism, just as an example, has had multiple mass conversions adding to it throughout history. Those people who converted did not magically become Semites, if they were not Semites by birth (Semite is a race of people not a religion) just like Chinese people are a race of people (Chinese) not a religion.

These are basic things that you have demonstrated not to have any understanding of whatsoever. It's no wonder that people feel like cussing when they see some of the nonsense replies that you write. Hopefully, this explanation will help you see why your reply was wrong, and what we wrote had nothing to do with antisemitism or being anti-semitic.

So, your reply was completely out of place. This thread is about British Israel, not Judaism or the Jews.

P.S. There are also not 12 Tribes of Jews, so please stop saying that too as it is a ridiculous anti-Biblical thing to be saying.

Israel refers to the Tribes of Joseph (Ephraim and Manasseh) along with the rest of the 10-Tribed "House of Israel"
Jews refers to the two Tribes of Judah/Jewdah and Benjamin i.e. the 2-Tribed "House of Judah"

Bible basics.

I don’t think I have ever seen you talk down to someone before...hmmm.

Actually, I think you’re mad because I actually proved you wrong...

 

[Lisa]

@Lisa when i said
"Then Muslims conquered it and Jews returned again" i meant this
https://www.timesofisrael.com/archaeologists-expose-muslim-jewish-dialogue-in-jerusalem-from-1300-years-ago/
read the full article

the establishment of modern israel was something else. it was a western colonial project where they sent in 'european/white' jews, many of whom are secular/athiests.
real jews wouldnt be doing no gay parade in the holiest jewish city.

this is an imposter state and any self proclaimed christian who believes modern israel is messianic deserves to burn with it when the day comes.
Rev 17/18 if you want to know more.

I meant the Jews return in 1948...been there for 71 Years now...not too bad considering...

I thought they sent the Jews there after it was learned that hitler tried to burn them all to death? People felt bad when the reality went around the globe..and so a homeland was set up for them...and how’s this for a God moment...they were put in the exact place that God said was their land! And they’ve been there since..pretty cool!

Yep, they aren’t believing Jews and are sinners like the rest of us, however, Paul says God isn’t done with them yet...doesn’t that make you happy to know that God didn’t forsake them?

Honestly Lisa, i have to use language like that to emphasise what i'm feeling when I read this type of shit. It's actually wrong on so many levels to just discredit 1200+ years of history between muslims and REAL jews. To act like we were the antagonists and jews had to struggle to 'return'.
The arrival of islam, saved jews from extinction.
i never said 'the jews RETURNED' there, because they were already there. Palestine was owned by the Ottomons, the ottomons were historically very friendly towards jews.

there were already plenty of jews in the holy land. This is a video showing muslims, christians and jews just living their life without tension.

Scripture wasnt talking about the JEWS, it was talking about the 10 tribes in exile.
The jews returning is part of that prophecy too..
and since that prophecy takes place in a post euphrates war, post second coming of Jesus context, that only proves that modern israel and it's fake jewish ashkenazis are something else entirely.

"God's chosen people" are not a bloodline but a spiritual lineage. As it says in the NT, the 'wild branches were grafted in' and Jesus said "God can raise children of Abraham from these stones".
At this point because of the mixing of races...every part of arab and persian society has jewish blood in them. We don't know who is truely jewish and part of the future remnant. God does..

Also, it wasnt a struggle to establish israel. They're wealthy and have always had superior technology/weapons. Superior fighter planes meant their air force won them wars against their arab neighbours.
Also..have you learnt nothing from the bible? this is why i have to curse..because you say the dumbest shit without any thought to it's implications

"neither by MIGHT, NO POWER, but by MY SPIRIT"
Read Ezekiel 38/39. The messianic prophecies talk of a land without borders, walls and weapons.
that isnt the state of israel...
Read Revelation 11..when the false jewish messiah takes over, the city of jerusalem will be 'figurately' known as 'sodom and egypt'
and what the hell does that really mean? GAY and Pagan.

This wasnt happening before the state of israel

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem_gay_pride_parade

https://illuminatisymbols.info/israel/

Actually, you don’t have to use language like that at all..you’re behind a screen, you don’t have to type it and can emphasize how you’re feeling other ways. Its the mature thing to do don’t ya think?

But the muslims we’re always the antangonists...isn’t it in the quran that the rocks will cry out there is a Jew behind us come and kill him? It’s not like muhammad didn’t kill Jews.

The Jews are a bloodline all the way from Abraham, through Isaac and Jacob..that’s what God says anyway you can read it in Genesis.

Nope these are the Jews...God’s chosen people..you guys can act like they aren’t the chosen people but they are.

Yep, their Arab neighbors that tried to kill them all and lost a few times, wasn’t it? So, now they are all terrorists since they can’t outright defeat them..must be hard to live with considering how proud the muslim is of his god?

I wouldn’t worry about the sin in Israel..God will handle it...probably should worry about the sin of your muslim brothers and sisters more? It’s not like muslims are perfect, ya know?

 

[bible_student]

I don’t think I have ever seen you talk down to someone before...hmmm.

No because it is not something I like to have to do, but what you did was morally reprehensible so it was required.

Actually, I think you’re mad because I actually proved you wrong...

As above.

 

[Lisa]

No because it is not something I like to have to do, but what you did was morally reprehensible so it was required.


As above.

I still think you know I proved you wrong...

 

[bible_student]

I still think you know I proved you wrong...

You can think whatever you like, but it does not make it so.