Brexit bill: Lords pass landmark legislation on leaving EU

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Brexit bill: Lords pass landmark legislation on leaving EU
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The House of Lords has passed the Brexit bill, paving the way for the government to trigger Article 50 so the UK can leave the EU.

Peers backed down over the issues of EU residency rights and a meaningful vote on the final Brexit deal after their objections were overturned by MPs.

The bill is expected to receive Royal Assent and become law on Tuesday.

The BBC's Laura Kuenssberg said this would leave Theresa May free to push the button on withdrawal talks.

The prime minister could theoretically invoke Article 50, which formally starts the Brexit process, as early as Tuesday.

However, Downing Street sources have said this will not happen this week and the PM is expected to wait until the end of the month to officially notify the EU of the UK's intention to leave, thus beginning what is expected to be a two-year process.

"Parliament has today backed the government in its determination to get on with the job of leaving the EU," Brexit Secretary David Davis said. "We are now on the threshold of the most important negotiation for our country in a generation."

The EU Withdrawal Bill was passed unamended after peers voted by 274 votes to 118 not to challenge the Commons again over the issue of whether Parliament should have a veto on the terms of exit.

The House of Lords had already agreed not to reinsert guarantees over the status of EU residents in the UK back into the bill after they were rejected by MPs, with the government winning the vote by a margin of 274 votes to 135.

Earlier, the government had comfortably won votes on the issues in the Commons, with only a handful of Tory MPs rebelling.

Brexit campaigners welcomed the "clear mandate" given to the UK government ahead of the start of official negotiations.

"Now, it's time to go into these negotiations with some ambition and support the government, so it can secure the very best deal - one that is good for the whole UK, and good for the EU too," said Tory MP and former minister Dominic Raab.

Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn said the rejection of the Lords amendments was "deeply disappointing" but insisted the opposition would continue to press for the rights of EU nationals to be prioritised and for the maximum parliamentary oversight of the process.

He tweeted: "Labour at every stage will challenge govt plans for a bargain basement Brexit with our alternative that puts jobs & living standards first."
 

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I can't be bothered to understand the politics of Brexit in this insane world we're living in. I find it completely foolish for the Brits to opt out of more integrated economic and military partnership with other European nations who share the same values, history ("history"?) and ideals. At the same time, having come to the realization the EU is not a good thing working for the betterment of all but just a tool for the NWO globalists, it only becomes sensible to want out... but, there's no escape. Brexit is another debate for the sheeple.

At the end of the day, the problem is the world is being led by evil-minded people steeping the world in shady schemes. It's as simple as that. It would be trivially easy to make politics in the world work if there weren't so many people ensuring it doesn't work. For one moment, consider how swiftly all 'big issues' could be resolved if we'd start working together instead of continuing to work against each other like we've been doing for millennia now. Ultimately, I conclude discussing the politics of Brexit is irrelevant, being the smokescreen that it is.
 

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I can't be bothered to understand the politics of Brexit in this insane world we're living in. I find it completely foolish for the Brits to opt out of more integrated economic and military partnership with other European nations who share the same values, history ("history"?) and ideals. At the same time, having come to the realization the EU is not a good thing working for the betterment of all but just a tool for the NWO globalists, it only becomes sensible to want out... but, there's no escape. Brexit is another debate for the sheeple.

At the end of the day, the problem is the world is being led by evil-minded people steeping the world in shady schemes. It's as simple as that. It would be trivially easy to make politics in the world work if there weren't so many people ensuring it doesn't work. For one moment, consider how swiftly all 'big issues' could be resolved if we'd start working together instead of continuing to work against each other like we've been doing for millennia now. Ultimately, I conclude discussing the politics of Brexit is irrelevant, being the smokescreen that it is.
I totally agree with that.
 

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Brexit is about national sovereignty as opposed to globalism. Make no mistake, this was a blow to the elite, as was Trump's election, as will be Le Pen's election if she wins, as will be Geert Wilders election if he wins.
 

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Brexit is about national sovereignty as opposed to globalism. Make no mistake, this was a blow to the elite, as was Trump's election, as will be Le Pen's election if she wins, as will be Geert Wilders election if he wins.
How can trumps election be a blow to the elite when he is being used by them just like every other president? He's a rich business man and he doesn't care about the people.
 

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How can trumps election be a blow to the elite when he is being used by them just like every other president? He's a rich business man and he doesn't care about the people.
Can you give me some reasons why you say he doesn't care about the people? And how he is being used by the elite? I am asking sincerely.
 

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Can you give me some reasons why you say he doesn't care about the people? And how he is being used by the elite? I am asking sincerely.
He is creating racial and partisan divides. He said he'd "drain the swamp" but he just put in different shady business people. He put a bunch of people from Goldman Sachs in positions of power. He's a millionaire, why would he go against the banks?
 

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He is creating racial and partisan divides. He said he'd "drain the swamp" but he just put in different shady business people. He put a bunch of people from Goldman Sachs in positions of power. He's a millionaire, why would he go against the banks?
From what I can see, he's not the one creating racial and partisan divides. Can you be more specific on that one? What is he guilty of, other than being accused of causing such divides?

And I don't see a bunch of people from Goldman Sachs in positions of power, either. Steve Mnuchin, the Secretary of the Treasury, is really the only one who stands out, and he hasn't worked for Goldman Sachs for more than 15 years.

So who would you put in charge of the Treasury? Someone who knows nothing about banking? No, secretaries are always (usually) chosen from people who are experts in the field. Just like you put a general in charge of the department of the armed forces, and a doctor is made Surgeon General, a banking expert is always made head of the Treasury, and I don't know how much you know about banking, but it's almost impossible to find someone in that field who has the qualification to be the top guy in the Treasury department who hasn't worked at Goldman Sachs at one point in their career.

I'm not sure what you want him to do about the banks. I think most people just want him to create jobs, and from the looks of it, that's exactly what he's doing.

And unfortunately, with the system that's in place right now in the US, no one who isn't a millionaire can afford to run for President. The difference with Trump (who is actually a billionaire) is that he financed his own campaign, and doesn't owe the usual campaign financiers (Koch brothers, Soros, etc.) a damn thing.
 

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From what I can see, he's not the one creating racial and partisan divides.
He deliberately targets certain "minority" groups like muslims and mexicans and tries to pin the blame on them for the US's issues. He legitimately wanted to build a wall and ban all muslims... that's obvious division. He only calls the "liberal" media fake news when he turns around and supports "conservative" media like breitbart, which has so much fake news and intentionally misleading information on it used to manipulate people into playing into more political division.
 

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He deliberately targets certain "minority" groups like muslims and mexicans and tries to pin the blame on them for the US's issues. He legitimately wanted to build a wall and ban all muslims... that's obvious division.
He wants to build a wall to prevent illegals from entering the US. What is wrong with that? As a sovereign nation, don't you think the US has a right and a duty to protect it's borders?

As for the Muslim ban, there is no such thing. Trump temporarily stopped immigration from certain countries that were identified by the previous administration as terrorist supporting states. They all happen to be predominantly Muslim countries, but is that Trump's fault? The ban didn't say the word Islam or Muslim, and didn't mention the 40 or so other Muslim majority countries in the world, citizens of which are free to apply to immigrate just like anyone from England or China or anywhere else.

He only calls the "liberal" media fake news when he turns around and supports "conservative" media like breitbart, which has so much fake news and intentionally misleading information on it used to manipulate people into playing into more political division.
I don't know how much news you watch. From your view of Trump I would say I'd say not much, and what you do watch is liberal. Did you realize that a lot of it is made up? Like, a LOT. Take the Russian thing that we keep hearing about. Do you realize that there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Trump ever had anything to do with Russia, or that anyone on his staff is a Russian agent, or that Russia interfered with the US election? You wouldn't know it from watching the liberal news, though, would you? It's all they talk about. And it's based on nothing. Yet we keep hearing about Russia, as if there's something there. Is that the fake news and intentionally misleading information you're talking about?
 

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From your view of Trump I would say I'd say not much, and what you do watch is liberal. Did you realize that a lot of it is made up?
Of course I know the liberal side has a lot of fake news as well, but trump is only attacking liberals and that shows how he is dividing people. He tries to make it seem like his side is perfect and right. This causes the conservatives to grouping together against the liberals and the liberals to group against the conservatives instead of them both coming together and realizing that all the media is fake and trying to radicalize them against each other. When I said that breitbart is fake news, that doesn't mean that I don't know that liberal sites are also fake news.
Take the Russian thing that we keep hearing about.
The whole Russia thing makes no sense and I don't get what the point is about that stuff. Also the whole thing with Obama wiretapping Trump. Lol politics and news is basically just entertainment now... I mean that's how they format it, like a sports team and we have to pick a side.
 

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As for the Muslim ban, there is no such thing.
Trump had advocated for a complete and total shutdown of Muslims entering the United States. Also he has said all muslims "believe only in Jihad". Little comments like those show how he's fear mongering and trying to divide people. I do know that there isn't technically a real muslim ban but the type of language Trump has used clearly isn't in favor of unity. I am just finding examples of how Trump tries/tried to divide people to get elected. And as we know, division is a tactic of the elite people.
 

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Of course I know the liberal side has a lot of fake news as well, but trump is only attacking liberals and that shows how he is dividing people. He tries to make it seem like his side is perfect and right. This causes the conservatives to grouping together against the liberals and the liberals to group against the conservatives instead of them both coming together and realizing that all the media is fake and trying to radicalize them against each other. When I said that breitbart is fake news, that doesn't mean that I don't know that liberal sites are also fake news.

The whole Russia thing makes no sense and I don't get what the point is about that stuff. Also the whole thing with Obama wiretapping Trump. Lol politics and news is basically just entertainment now... I mean that's how they format it, like a sports team and we have to pick a side.
I tend to follow a lot of different news sources, and believe me when I tell you that the liberal MSM outlets are at a different level. I follow Breitbart, and I haven't seen anything fake. Not saying there hasn't been, just that I haven't seen it. Do you have an example? I sincerely want to know if they are spreading lies.
 

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Trump had advocated for a complete and total shutdown of Muslims entering the United States. Also he has said all muslims "believe only in Jihad". Little comments like those show how he's fear mongering and trying to divide people. I do know that there isn't technically a real muslim ban but the type of language Trump has used clearly isn't in favor of unity. I am just finding examples of how Trump tries/tried to divide people to get elected. And as we know, division is a tactic of the elite people.
Being controversial isn't an elite tactic, and Trump's approval ratings show that he's not as divisive as the liberal media keeps telling us.

He did call for a total shutdown on Muslims entering the US until, and these are his words, "we can figure out what the hell is going on." Islamic terror attacks are now a pretty common thing, and there are a lot of people who think that nothing is being done about them other than our leaders repeating the mantra that Islam is a religion of peace. It may be, but that's not stopping the bombings, the shootings, the truck attacks, the hammer rampages, etc. that are all being perpetrated by people who claim to be Muslim. Ignoring them won't make it go away. Something has to be done, and Trump, extreme as he may sound, looks like the only guy who's willing do the job.

Let me ask you something: Would you rather have restrictions on Muslims entering the US, or more US troops in Islamic countries? Perhaps you have a better solution? But we keep hearing that these attacks are because of Western imperialism and terror inflicted on Muslims in their countries, but when someone says, "Fine, you stay out of our country, and we'll stay out of yours," that's not good enough, either. So what do we do?
 

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I tend to follow a lot of different news sources, and believe me when I tell you that the liberal MSM outlets are at a different level. I follow Breitbart, and I haven't seen anything fake. Not saying there hasn't been, just that I haven't seen it. Do you have an example? I sincerely want to know if they are spreading lies.
Here's an article about how breitbart just made up a story. It's basically propaganda breitbart made up to further divide people
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/07/german-police-quash-breitbart-story-of-mob-setting-fire-to-dortmund-church

The existence of this as an entire tag is just blatant propaganda that perpetuates stereotypes and racism

http://www.breitbart.com/tag/black-crime/
(note that there're no sections for crimes that other races commit)

I'm not saying everything on there is completely fake, It's just a very biased website that sometimes deliberately writes articles in a certain way to get people to think and act in a certain way.
 
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Brexit is about national sovereignty as opposed to globalism. Make no mistake, this was a blow to the elite, as was Trump's election, as will be Le Pen's election if she wins, as will be Geert Wilders election if he wins.
Sounds like you're also a 'Trumper'. I find the man disgusting and an insult to the notion of democracy. I have not one ounce of faith in him and find it highly naive to think otherwise. I'm especially surprised you seem warmed up to him as a Christian. His entire cabinet is full of Elite jews. Trump is part of their plan.

I want a COMPLETELY different society, Thunderian. Something that's actually, you know... Christian? You have to start somewhere, of course - but cheering for Brexit is in my eyes like less than the drop in an ocean. Moreover, chances are the rise of nationalism is part of their plan so Brexit could have been foreseen and planned for long ago - they're the ones who instituted the open-door immigration policies that Brexit-proponents are now 'reacting' to.

Will the NWO really lose control from Brexit and other potential breakaways? I doubt society will change much. I'm sure there'll still be 'secret societies' and think tanks deciding the course for Britain after the exit - it's not like they'll just pack up and leave. Also, like I said, it simply doesn't make sense to close doors in an ever-more integrated world.

What the Brits should rather have done IMO is get rid of the corrupt establisment, which is the real root problem. Out with all the opinion-formers with their agendas. Out with lobbyists groups of any kind.

Brexit is just a hoax change, same as Trump. It's the emperor's new clothes - just a manufactured distraction. Beneath, the show goes on as usual, with a small group of people filling their pockets at everybody else's expense. What really needs to happen is a total systemic overhaul that establishes a genuine for-the-people rule where no shady corporate groups with 'interests' gets allowed to have a say. We need to "drain the swamp"... It just won't happen by building walls and discriminating against Muslims.
 

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Sounds like you're also a 'Trumper'. I find the man disgusting and an insult to the notion of democracy. I have not one ounce of faith in him and find it highly naive to think otherwise. I'm especially surprised you seem warmed up to him as a Christian. His entire cabinet is full of Elite jews. Trump is part of their plan.

I want a COMPLETELY different society, Thunderian. Something that's actually, you know... Christian? You have to start somewhere, of course - but cheering for Brexit is in my eyes like less than the drop in an ocean. Moreover, chances are the rise of nationalism is part of their plan so Brexit could have been foreseen and planned for long ago - they're the ones who instituted the open-door immigration policies that Brexit-proponents are now 'reacting' to.

Will the NWO really lose control from Brexit and other potential breakaways? I doubt society will change much. I'm sure there'll still be 'secret societies' and think tanks deciding the course for Britain after the exit - it's not like they'll just pack up and leave. Also, like I said, it simply doesn't make sense to close doors in an ever-more integrated world.

What the Brits should rather have done IMO is get rid of the corrupt establisment, which is the real root problem. Out with all the opinion-formers with their agendas. Out with lobbyists groups of any kind.

Brexit is just a hoax change, same as Trump. It's the emperor's new clothes - just a manufactured distraction. Beneath, the show goes on as usual, with a small group of people filling their pockets at everybody else's expense. What really needs to happen is a total systemic overhaul that establishes a genuine for-the-people rule where no shady corporate groups with 'interests' gets allowed to have a say. We need to "drain the swamp"... It just won't happen by building walls and discriminating against Muslims.
I agree
 

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Brexit is about national sovereignty as opposed to globalism. Make no mistake, this was a blow to the elite, as was Trump's election, as will be Le Pen's election if she wins, as will be Geert Wilders election if he wins.
Not sure I agree with your point about it being a blow to the elite, surely the elite control or have a say in these elections, definitely think he's their puppet. His agendas full the exact hate which are continuing to divide citizens, then the government/elite whatever you want to call them, swoop in and save the day.
 

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Here's an article about how breitbart just made up a story. It's basically propaganda breitbart made up to further divide people
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/07/german-police-quash-breitbart-story-of-mob-setting-fire-to-dortmund-church
Well now, this is extremely interesting. It seems the reports of fake news were, themselves, fake news.

Here is the link the original article from Breitbart. Essentially it says that this past New Year's Eve, "a mob of more than 1,000 men chanted ‘Allahu Akhbar’, launched fireworks at police, and set fire to a historic church".

The article was immediately attacked by other media outlets, claiming it to be fake news. The thing is, it's all true. Every bit of it. Breitbart's response is here, so please read it, but for those who don't want to, the original article was based on local reporting and on police statements. The denials from those same outlets and from the police are a very revealing case study in how the MSM and the establishment are colluding to hide what is really going on. I encourage everyone to read it.
The existence of this as an entire tag is just blatant propaganda that perpetuates stereotypes and racism
http://www.breitbart.com/tag/black-crime/
(note that there're no sections for crimes that other races commit)
I don't see a problem with this, to be honest. Black Lives Matter and the left in general have made black crime an issue. Breibart reports on it and tags their stories by topic. Not propaganda and not perpetuating stereotypes or racism.

I'm not saying everything on there is completely fake, It's just a very biased website that sometimes deliberately writes articles in a certain way to get people to think and act in a certain way.
I disagree with you. You haven't shown that Breitbart is fake, and there is nothing wrong with reporting news without a liberal slant.
 

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Sounds like you're also a 'Trumper'. I find the man disgusting and an insult to the notion of democracy. I have not one ounce of faith in him and find it highly naive to think otherwise. I'm especially surprised you seem warmed up to him as a Christian. His entire cabinet is full of Elite jews. Trump is part of their plan.

I want a COMPLETELY different society, Thunderian. Something that's actually, you know... Christian? You have to start somewhere, of course - but cheering for Brexit is in my eyes like less than the drop in an ocean. Moreover, chances are the rise of nationalism is part of their plan so Brexit could have been foreseen and planned for long ago - they're the ones who instituted the open-door immigration policies that Brexit-proponents are now 'reacting' to.

Will the NWO really lose control from Brexit and other potential breakaways? I doubt society will change much. I'm sure there'll still be 'secret societies' and think tanks deciding the course for Britain after the exit - it's not like they'll just pack up and leave. Also, like I said, it simply doesn't make sense to close doors in an ever-more integrated world.

What the Brits should rather have done IMO is get rid of the corrupt establisment, which is the real root problem. Out with all the opinion-formers with their agendas. Out with lobbyists groups of any kind.

Brexit is just a hoax change, same as Trump. It's the emperor's new clothes - just a manufactured distraction. Beneath, the show goes on as usual, with a small group of people filling their pockets at everybody else's expense. What really needs to happen is a total systemic overhaul that establishes a genuine for-the-people rule where no shady corporate groups with 'interests' gets allowed to have a say. We need to "drain the swamp"... It just won't happen by building walls and discriminating against Muslims.
So in your view, a "Christian" society is one without Jews. Got it.
 
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