Black Lives Matter should be avoided by Christians.

[phipps]

Many Christians don't know much about BLM. They think “Black Lives Matter” is a slogan and is only about equal treatment, freedom and justice for black people but its more than that. Many Christians are not aware of how the movement began, who founded it and all of its principles.

The BLM movement was started after the shooting of a young Black American Boy Trayvon Martin, in which the shooter George Zimmerman was acquitted in 2013. It was founded by three people, Alicia Garza, Opal Tometi and Patrisse Cullors. You can read more about them on the BLM website. At least two of them, and it could be all three, identify as queer, gay, and/or transexual.

The movement has guiding principles. Here are some of those principles, which reveal a lot about BLM. To read all of them here is a link to their website.

1. We make space for transgender brothers and sisters to participate and lead.

2. We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.

3. We foster a queer‐affirming network. When we gather, we do so with the intention of freeing ourselves from the tight grip of heteronormative thinking, or rather, the belief that all in the world are heterosexual (unless s/he or they disclose otherwise).

BLM as a movement, clearly states that its goals include disruption of the nuclear family, queer affirming, trans affirming etc. Are these really values that Christians should support? These values are against the Word of God.

As a black person and a Christian, I am against racism, inequality and injustice towards me and my fellow black brothers and sisters and all the other races of people around the world. All people matter to God.

I agree that lives of black people matter but the movement "black lives matter" has values, goals and beliefs that oppose the Word of God. I cannot and will not support such a movement.

Not to mention that BLM is a marxist movement. Here is a video of one of the co-founders of BLM, Patrisse Cullors admitting that they are "trained Marxists".

I am not a political person at all, in fact I hate politics but the little I know about Marxism is that it has no tolerance for Christianity at all.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

 

[Frank Badfinger]

Cure worse than disease: Ruptly filmed REAL BLM protesters burning a Bible. NY Times tried to ‘debunk’ it with actual FAKE NEWS

Cure worse than disease: Ruptly filmed REAL BLM protesters burning a Bible. NY Times tried to ‘debunk’ it with actual FAKE NEWS

Mainstream media have denounced RT’s Ruptly video agency for documenting Portland protesters burning Bibles, dismissing the unaltered footage as ‘Russian disinfo’ in an attempt at bad-faith ‘shoot the messenger’ gaslighting.

www.rt.com

 

[elsbet]

Cure worse than disease: Ruptly filmed REAL BLM protesters burning a Bible. NY Times tried to ‘debunk’ it with actual FAKE NEWS

Cure worse than disease: Ruptly filmed REAL BLM protesters burning a Bible. NY Times tried to ‘debunk’ it with actual FAKE NEWS

Mainstream media have denounced RT’s Ruptly video agency for documenting Portland protesters burning Bibles, dismissing the unaltered footage as ‘Russian disinfo’ in an attempt at bad-faith ‘shoot the messenger’ gaslighting.

www.rt.com

They're blaming the Russians?

 

[Aero]

How is it against the word of God to give a gay person a seat at the table?

I'm pretty sure the Messiah fed everyone equally. Moreover, I don't think the nuclear family argument is biblical. Maybe if you string together some vague passages. Either way, the message of BLM and Christianity are compatible in more ways than not.

 

[Gnome]

I'm pretty sure the Messiah fed everyone equally.

Good point, this is also one of the things that made Jesus so controversial to the Pharisees.

 

[Aero]

Good point, this is also one of the things that made Jesus so controversial to the Pharisees.

Are you saying Jesus was a socialist?

Either way, I'm more interested in tackling the bunky nuclear family arguments. It's like we are just supposed to accept a nuclear family is good based on some preconceived notions. Or it's common knowledge that nuclear families are somehow superior to families that embrace a more expressive approach.

The big picture is nuclear families are fractured and separated from their own community. Now, that's fine for people who want to live in a bubble, but in times of real crisis, the nuclear family is how civilizations die. Basically, if people can't even work together on a normal day, they will never solve a doomsday level event.

 

[phipps]

How is it against the word of God to give a gay person a seat at the table?

I'm pretty sure the Messiah fed everyone equally. Moreover, I don't think the nuclear family argument is biblical. Maybe if you string together some vague passages. Either way, the message of BLM and Christianity are compatible in more ways than not.

Nothing wrong with giving a gay person a seat at the table. You're right Jesus would absolutely do that because He does treat everyone equally. However the BLM movement believe that it is right to live the gay lifestyle, they live it themselves and support it. That is against the Word of God. To seat and protest with them and repeat the "black lives matter" mantra with them is to accept all their principles. Some Christians who support BLM have said they will ignore those principles and only deal with the ones they agree with. That is compromise. The Bible is clear we are not to compromise on the Word of God. The BLM movement is most definitely not compatible with Christianity at all!

The nuclear family is absolutely Christian and biblical. Biblically a man and woman are to leave their families and live together and start their own family. "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh” (Genesis 2:24). Isn't that what a nuclear family is? It goes without saying that a marriage in the Bible is strictly between a man and a woman which obviously goes against the BLM principles.

BLM says, "We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement..." This means they are seeking to disrupt the nuclear family according to the Bible because the western prescription for family is biblical. Its Christian.

 

[vancityeagle]

Nothing wrong with giving a gay person a seat at the table. You're right Jesus would absolutely do that because He does treat everyone equally. However the BLM movement believe that it is right to live the gay lifestyle, they live it themselves and support it. That is against the Word of God. To seat and protest with them and repeat the "black lives matter" mantra with them is to accept all their principles. Some Christians who support BLM have said they will ignore those principles and only deal with the ones they agree with. That is compromise. The Bible is clear we are not to compromise on the Word of God. The BLM movement is most definitely not compatible with Christianity at all!

The nuclear family is absolutely Christian and biblical. Biblically a man and woman are to leave their families and live together and start their own family. "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh” (Genesis 2:24). Isn't that what a nuclear family is? It goes without saying that a marriage in the Bible is strictly between a man and a woman which obviously goes against the BLM principles.

BLM says, "We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement..." This means they are seeking to disrupt the nuclear family according to the Bible because the western prescription for family is biblical. Its Christian.

Two things.

1. The gay agenda may be a part of some of the leaders of the movement, but the vast majority of people marching and protesting are doing so for racial equality. I believe they gay rights movement has always tried to co-opt the movement for racial equality, but it isn't really working in this instance, so their stance on homosexuality is kind of irrelevant. BLM is both a movement and an organization. The movement is much bigger than the organization, and the movement isn't really concerned about homosexuality, no matter how much certain figures may try to push it to the forefront.

2. BLM so called "attack on the nuclear family" is a huge misnomer and taken out of context. If you look at their website what they are actually saying is that people should not be limited to a nuclear family but instead have a greater responsibility to their community, and such expand the notion of family. That is completely in line with Christianity.

Of course the haters will continue their relentless attacks on racial justice in the spirit of satan while claiming standing up for the poor and marginalized has nothing to do with Christianity LOL.

 

[Aero]

Nothing wrong with giving a gay person a seat at the table. You're right Jesus would absolutely do that because He does treat everyone equally. However the BLM movement believe that it is right to live the gay lifestyle, they live it themselves and support it. That is against the Word of God. To seat and protest with them and repeat the "black lives matter" mantra with them is to accept all their principles. Some Christians who support BLM have said they will ignore those principles and only deal with the ones they agree with. That is compromise. The Bible is clear we are not to compromise on the Word of God. The BLM movement is most definitely not compatible with Christianity at all!

The nuclear family is absolutely Christian and biblical. Biblically a man and woman are to leave their families and live together and start their own family. "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh” (Genesis 2:24). Isn't that what a nuclear family is? It goes without saying that a marriage in the Bible is strictly between a man and a woman which obviously goes against the BLM principles.

BLM says, "We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement..." This means they are seeking to disrupt the nuclear family according to the Bible because the western prescription for family is biblical. Its Christian.

Are you a segregationalist? I only ask because you sound like one.

The idea that you have to agree with everything BLM is about is a fallacy. Moreover, their ideas about community building are far more sensical than some archaic notions about nuclear families.

Jesus didn't create a nuclear family, nor did he sit in a bubble and let the world pass him by.

 

[phipps]

Two things.

1. The gay agenda may be a part of some of the leaders of the movement, but the vast majority of people marching and protesting are doing so for racial equality. I believe they gay rights movement has always tried to co-opt the movement for racial equality, but it isn't really working in this instance, so their stance on homosexuality is kind of irrelevant. BLM is both a movement and an organization. The movement is much bigger than the organization, and the movement isn't really concerned about homosexuality, no matter how much certain figures may try to push it to the forefront.

2. BLM so called "attack on the nuclear family" is a huge misnomer and taken out of context. If you look at their website what they are actually saying is that people should not be limited to a nuclear family but instead have a greater responsibility to their community, and such expand the notion of family. That is completely in line with Christianity.

Of course the haters will continue their relentless attacks on racial justice in the spirit of satan while claiming standing up for the poor and marginalized has nothing to do with Christianity LOL.

1. The gay agenda may be a part of some of the leaders of the movement, but the vast majority of people marching and protesting are doing so for racial equality. I believe they gay rights movement has always tried to co-opt the movement for racial equality, but it isn't really working in this instance, so their stance on homosexuality is kind of irrelevant. BLM is both a movement and an organization. The movement is much bigger than the organization, and the movement isn't really concerned about homosexuality, no matter how much certain figures may try to push it to the forefront.

I know why most people are marching with the BLM movement. My point is, to march with them is to compromise with one's beliefs as a Christian especially after they find out who founded the movement and what BLM really stands for entirely. BLM's racial equality stance comes in the same package with the rest of their other principles that are against the Word of God and Christianity. To support them is to agree with them on all their principles and beliefs. We can't unknow something, so if a Christian knows about BLM and what they are about and they continue to support it, they are compromising.

2. BLM so called "attack on the nuclear family" is a huge misnomer and taken out of context. If you look at their website what they are actually saying is that people should not be limited to a nuclear family but instead have a greater responsibility to their community, and such expand the notion of family. That is completely in line with Christianity.

They did mean that too and you're right, it is line with Christianity. But they also meant what I said they do. They said, "We disrupt the western-prescribed nuclear family structure...". The word "disrupt" means to throw into confusion, throw into disorder, disorganise, turn upside down. This is in line with how at least two of the founders live. Alicia Garza and Patrice Cullors are gay and married to same sex partners. Its no wonder then that they are committed to disrupting the western prescribed nuclear family structure requirement which so happens to be Christian too.

Of course the haters will continue their relentless attacks on racial justice in the spirit of satan while claiming standing up for the poor and marginalized has nothing to do with Christianity LOL.

Do we need to fight racism and injustice? Yes! But there are ways that Christians can do it and do do it without compromising their beliefs. Whoever says standing up for the poor and marginalised isn't Christian either doesn't know about Christianity or is lying. However we are to do it while not compromising our beliefs and morals just like Jesus did. We should not join arms with a movement and organisation like BLM that undermines God and His Word.

 

[vancityeagle]

I know why most people are marching with the BLM movement. My point is, to march with them is to compromise with one's beliefs as a Christian especially after they find out who founded the movement and what BLM really stands for entirely. BLM's racial equality stance comes in the same package with the rest of their other principles that are against the Word of God and Christianity. To support them is to agree with them on all their principles and beliefs. We can't unknow something, so if a Christian knows about BLM and what they are about and they continue to support it, they are compromising.



They did mean that too and you're right, it is line with Christianity. But they also meant what I said they do. They said, "We disrupt the western-prescribed nuclear family structure...". The word "disrupt" means to throw into confusion, throw into disorder, disorganise, turn upside down. This is in line with how at least two of the founders live. Alicia Garza and Patrice Cullors are gay and married to same sex partners. Its no wonder then that they are committed to disrupting the western prescribed nuclear family structure requirement which so happens to be Christian too.



Do we need to fight racism and injustice? Yes! But there are ways that Christians can do and do do it without compromising their beliefs. Whoever says standing up for the poor and marginalised isn't Christian either doesn't know about Christianity or is lying. However we are to do it while not compromising our beliefs and morals just like Jesus did. We should not join arms with a movement and organisation like BLM that undermines God and His Word.

LOL

You realize that by your standards, the "Christian" church also undermines God with their pagan rituals of Christmas, turning the sabbath/saturday to a sunday, false teachings of being "saved" and failing to recognize the true descendants of Israel and upholding a fraud.

So by your own standards, we should have nothing to do with the church, and we must throw out the baby with the bathwater, because any corruption negates any good the church may do.

People aren't protesting or marching for Alice Garza or her homosexual beliefs, they are marching to change the racial inequality, something you better believe Christ would do if on this earth.

But you can pretend you are holier than it all, and thus you would be one of those "christians" christ spoke about who ignore the suffering of the marginalized. Those "christians" he said he never knew, because what you do to the least of men you do to HIM.

 

[phipps]

Are you a segregationalist? I only ask because you sound like one.

The idea that you have to agree with everything BLM is about is a fallacy. Moreover, their ideas about community building are far more sensical than some archaic notions about nuclear families.

Jesus didn't create a nuclear family, nor did he sit in a bubble and let the world pass him by.

Are you a segregationalist? I only ask because you sound like one.

Lol I am not a segregationist nor do I sound like one. Saying that Christians should not compromise their beliefs is not segregationist at all.

The idea that you have to agree with everything BLM is about is a fallacy. Moreover, their ideas about community building are far more sensical than some archaic notions about nuclear families.

Just because Christians may agree with BLM on some things doesn't mean they should dismiss their other beliefs and principles that are against the Word of God. Everything BLM is all about comes as a whole package. Christians can, should and do stand up against racism and injustice, but should not support such an organisation and movement that plainly opposes God and His righteous standards. My saying that Christians shouldn't support BLM is not based only on their stance on LGBT and the family, its also based on their political stance which is Marxist which is opposed to Christianity too. I haven't touched much on the political side of BLM though.

Jesus didn't create a nuclear family, nor did he sit in a bubble and let the world pass him by.

The nuclear family is biblical and therefore was created by Jesus who is God. God’s principle is that a married couple should move out of their parents’ homes and establish their own and start their own family (Genesis 2:24, Matthew 19:5-6). It depends on your understanding of what a nuclear family is. Does it mean you do not support, help and love other family members, friends and the community? No! That would be against the Word of God.

What I have posted here that led you to believe I think that Jesus lived in a bubble and let the world pass Him by and that Christians should do the same? Jesus stood against discrimination and racism. He spoke against it. He also ate with them, healed, touched and preached to them. The poor, publicans, prostitutes, lepers, women and gentiles. The Samaritans were gentiles who Jews looked down upon and discriminated yet Jesus spoke to the Samaritan woman at the well. Its one of the reasons He was disliked by the Pharisees and Sanhedrin. In fighting against discrimination and the injustices not once did Jesus compromise His beliefs. Christians are to follow His example.

 

[phipps]

LOL

You realize that by your standards, the "Christian" church also undermines God with their pagan rituals of Christmas, turning the sabbath/saturday to a sunday, false teachings of being "saved" and failing to recognize the true descendants of Israel and upholding a fraud.

So by your own standards, we should have nothing to do with the church, and we must throw out the baby with the bathwater, because any corruption negates any good the church may do.

People aren't protesting or marching for Alice Garza or her homosexual beliefs, they are marching to change the racial inequality, something you better believe Christ would do if on this earth.

But you can pretend you are holier than it all, and thus you would be one of those "christians" christ spoke about who ignore the suffering of the marginalized. Those "christians" he said he never knew, because what you do to the least of men you do to HIM.

You realize that by your standards, the "Christian" church also undermines God with their pagan rituals of Christmas, turning the sabbath/saturday to a sunday, false teachings of being "saved" and failing to recognize the true descendants of Israel and upholding a fraud.

Its not my standards, its God's standards. In the Bible God's people would rather die and some did rather than compromise their beliefs and morals. I also stay away from most Christian religions that don't go to church on the true Sabbath (Saturday) and celebrate pagan rituals that were Christianised. They aren't biblical nor did God ask us to observe and celebrate them. I've posted in my own threads and other threads and explained why using the Word of God. These are my threads on those subjects here, here, here and here. Now does that mean that Christians who worship on the true Sabbath should avoid Sunday worshipping Christians? No. They should preach and teach them biblical truth about the Sabbath. Should they unify with them because they have common beliefs? No! That would mean one of them would have to compromise. True Christian unity can only be based on the truth of God's Word.

The true descendants of Israel are those who accept Jesus as their personal Saviour and obey His will regardless of what race they are. This is what the Bible teaches not me.

"Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham" (Galatians 3:7).

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise" (Galatians 3:28-29).

So by your own standards, we should have nothing to do with the church, and we must throw out the baby with the bathwater, because any corruption negates any good the church may do.

The Church should have nothing to do with anything that is not of God and as I said those standards are set by God and His Word not by me. Just because BLM has common causes with Christianity doesn't mean Christians should ignore or dismiss their other core principles that aren't Christian at all. You can't mix truths and untruths. This is not debatable as far as I am concerned.

People aren't protesting or marching for Alice Garza or her homosexual beliefs, they are marching to change the racial inequality, something you better believe Christ would do if on this earth.

It doesn't matter what they are protesting or marching for as long as BLM is connected to anything ungodly, in this case Alicia Garza and the other co-founders' principles that aren't biblical, Christians should steer clear of them. And BLM is not the only place that Christians can stand against and fight to change racial inequality is it? Christ did fight against discrimination, injustices and inequality and never once compromised what He stood for. Its one of the reasons He had enemies even though He was sinless. The world does not like Christians who live according to the Word of God and don't compromise. Sadly that's true of some Christians too.

 

[illuminatimess]

And humanity should abstain from American Christians

 

[phipps]

And humanity should abstain from American Christians

Why?

 

[Aero]

Lol I am not a segregationist nor do I sound like one. Saying that Christians should not compromise their beliefs is not segregationist at all.



Just because Christians may agree with BLM on some things doesn't mean they should dismiss their other beliefs and principles that are against the Word of God. Everything BLM is all about comes as a whole package. Christians can, should and do stand up against racism and injustice, but should not support such an organisation and movement that plainly opposes God and His righteous standards. My saying that Christians shouldn't support BLM is not based only on their stance on LGBT and the family, its also based on their political stance which is Marxist which is opposed to Christianity too. I haven't touched much on the political side of BLM though.



The nuclear family is biblical and therefore was created by Jesus who is God. God’s principle is that a married couple should move out of their parents’ homes and establish their own and start their own family (Genesis 2:24, Matthew 19:5-6). It depends on your understanding of what a nuclear family is. Does it mean you do not support, help and love other family members, friends and the community? No! That would be against the Word of God.

What I have posted here that led you to believe I think that Jesus lived in a bubble and let the world pass Him by and that Christians should do the same? Jesus stood against discrimination and racism. He spoke against it. He also ate with them, healed, touched and preached to them. The poor, publicans, prostitutes, lepers, women and gentiles. The Samaritans were gentiles who Jews looked down upon and discriminated yet Jesus spoke to the Samaritan woman at the well. Its one of the reasons He was disliked by the Pharisees and Sanhedrin. In fighting against discrimination and the injustices not once did Jesus compromise His beliefs. Christians are to follow His example.

I'm at work so I'm going to give a short version of my thoughts.

In your initial post you talked about Christian's "avoiding" BLM. Now you are saying not to "support" BLM. Clearly you changing that wording was smart. Because avoidance strategies are like placing yourself in a bubble.

More importantly, you are going further than simply not supporting BLM. You are going so far as to advocate against them. All over some vague notions about God's words. Basically I think you are making a mountain out of a mole hill.

 

[phipps]

I'm at work so I'm going to give a short version of my thoughts.

In your initial post you talked about Christian's "avoiding" BLM. Now you are saying not to "support" BLM. Clearly you changing that wording was smart. Because avoidance strategies are like placing yourself in a bubble.

More importantly, you are going further than simply not supporting BLM. You are going so far as to advocate against them. All over some vague notions about God's words. Basically I think you are making a mountain out of a mole hill.

In your initial post you talked about Christian's "avoiding" BLM. Now you are saying not to "support" BLM. Clearly you changing that wording was smart. Because avoidance strategies are like placing yourself in a bubble.

Using different wording doesn't mean I have changed my stance. This is nit picking over useless details. Let me make myself absolutely clear then. Christians should not support BLM, they should avoid them and call upon fellow Christians to do the same by using the Bible to explain why. I haven't avoided anything and you know that nor have I placed myself in a bubble. You're reaching here lol!

More importantly, you are going further than simply not supporting BLM. You are going so far as to advocate against them. All over some vague notions about God's words.

Yes, I am advocating against BLM, isn't that obvious? Christians should steer clear of BLM because there is nothing Christian about it clearly. In fact they oppose Christian principles. MY notions about God are most definitely not vague that's for sure. If you'd read anything else I'd posted here you'd know that.

Basically I think you are making a mountain out of a mole hill.

You're wrong. Once we start compromising where does it end? We can't serve two masters. Do you think Jesus would protest and march with BLM? Would He align Himself with a movement who part of their core principles oppose the Word of God? His Word? I will follow Jesus' example.

I hope this is not too vague for you!

 

[Yahda]

Black people period should stay away from BLM. I know I better not see them protesting in my neighborhood. Don’t come here with the bs! I’m “black” btw.

 

[vancityeagle]

You say Christian's should not support BLM.

BLM is 2 things which you cannot seem to distinguish.

1. An organization
2. A movement

The organization itself is only a tiny part of the movement.

Like I said before, the people protesting are not protesting "to support" Alice Garza and her fellow founders along with their sexual beliefs.

They are protesting to bring awareness to systemic racism. This actually has absolutely nothing to do with Alice Garza or even the ORGANIZATION BLM.

BLM the organization is not responsible, nor is it even connected really to the wider movement other than the fact they made up a catchy phrase.

I'll give you an example. In my city there was a massive BLM protest. (BLM the movement not the organization) This protest wasn't even organized by BLM (the organization) but by a guy who raised awareness through social media. The guy is not a part of BLM (the organization) and there is a local BLM chapter in my city.

So there you have it, that protest literally had nothing to do with the BLM organization. Do you still advise Christian's to stay away ?

You see you can actually support the movement without supporting the organization. Protesting does not somehow make you a card carrying BLM member who has to engage in gay sex.

If you cannot see the difference between a movement which seeks racial justice (a movement which has been around long before BLM, but BLM did the good work of bringing that movement to prominence) and a specific organization which literally has no control over the wider movement, then I think you are being completely disingenuous and are pushing an agenda.