Bill Cooper - Behold a Pale Horse

[The Zone]

I remember reading this book when I was younger and forgot much of it, so I ordered a copy from Amazon (reluctantly from them). The first thing I noticed was that the reprint had some disappointing grammatical errors and was missing 22 pages from the original text. Does anyone know what is missing? Anyhow, I was disappointed that this was the case but will still read it from start to finish in the next month or so or when time allows. The quick thumb through seems to point to the missing text being about aliens, etc. or greys as they are called. It is no secret that some still consider him the Godfather of theories, but I think he is just one of many interesting researchers from the past. Anyhow, he was shot in his front yard, so that tells you something.

 

[Colonel Valerio]

I never trusted Cooper due to his influence on the militia movement. You make it sound like he got shot getting his mail. He shot a cop in the head while they tried to arrest him, people die by cops in America every day for less than that.

Worth listening to.

* I do not endorse everything by Don Ecker either

 

[Helioform]

Cooper died because he shot cops who were trying to arrest him for not paying his taxes.

That being said, he was the one who started all of this "truther" movement back when the internet was just being born. He was the first to dump info on all the UFO theories, and predicted events like the fall of the Berlin Wall and 9-11. What made me trust his info at first in Behold a Pale Horse was his photographic proof that he was in the Navy and had security clearances. Also pretty much everything he said in his "Mystery Babylon" series was 100% right on (at least according to what I have researched). And he should know, he was a former member of the De Molay fraternity, a masonic recruitment group for children.

He later totally went back on what he said about aliens and that it was all only a ploy to install a world socialist government based on Illuminist beliefs, after a fake alien threat. I think they must have got to him because it's rather strange to do a full 180 degrees on something that he was truly passionate about.

I will always remember his motto: "Read everything and listen to everyone but believe ONLY what you can prove with your own research." Sadly the conspiracist community severely lacks that discipline today and conspiracy theories have become as common as junk food restaurants.

 

[Colonel Valerio]

http://www.ufomind.com/area51/people/lear/hansson.html

http://www.ufomind.com/area51/people/lear/hansson2.html

 

[The Zone]

Cooper died because he shot cops who were trying to arrest him for not paying his taxes.

That being said, he was the one who started all of this "truther" movement back when the internet was just being born. He was the first to dump info on all the UFO theories, and predicted events like the fall of the Berlin Wall and 9-11. What made me trust his info at first in Behold a Pale Horse was his photographic proof that he was in the Navy and had security clearances. Also pretty much everything he said in his "Mystery Babylon" series was 100% right on (at least according to what I have researched). And he should know, he was a former member of the De Molay fraternity, a masonic recruitment group for children.

He later totally went back on what he said about aliens and that it was all only a ploy to install a world socialist government based on Illuminist beliefs, after a fake alien threat. I think they must have got to him because it's rather strange to do a full 180 degrees on something that he was truly passionate about.

I will always remember his motto: "Read everything and listen to everyone but believe ONLY what you can prove with your own research." Sadly the conspiracist community severely lacks that discipline today and conspiracy theories have become as common as junk food restaurants.

That explains the 20 or so missing pages on the aliens then. The book still carries weight in that he spelled out a lot of issues before people tried to cover up so much. As for what happened in his yard, with no evidence or video, we will never know for sure. It seems to me they were determined to make him go over the edge a bit via surveillance and energy weaponry which has been around since just before the incident. A lot of old news footage from when the US was dabbling in that while playing loud music during hostage holdouts have been conveniently lost. Also, why would it take a group of cops to arrest someone on tax evasion?

 

[Colonel Valerio]

That explains the 20 or so missing pages on the aliens then. The book still carries weight in that he spelled out a lot of issues before people tried to cover up so much. As for what happened in his yard, with no evidence or video, we will never know for sure. It seems to me they were determined to make him go over the edge a bit via surveillance and energy weaponry which has been around since just before the incident. A lot of old news footage from when the US was dabbling in that while playing loud music during hostage holdouts have been conveniently lost. Also, why would it take a group of cops to arrest someone on tax evasion?

They weren't arresting him for the tax evasion charges it stemmed from an altercation with a neighbor.

 

[Helioform]

They weren't arresting him for the tax evasion charges it stemmed from an altercation with a neighbor.

That is not the info I got, and I know what it was because I read the papers the days following the event. But if they changed the story, it makes me suspect even more that there was foul play from the authorities there and that the real motive for the arrest was something else entirely.

 

[Helioform]

That explains the 20 or so missing pages on the aliens then. The book still carries weight in that he spelled out a lot of issues before people tried to cover up so much. As for what happened in his yard, with no evidence or video, we will never know for sure. It seems to me they were determined to make him go over the edge a bit via surveillance and energy weaponry which has been around since just before the incident. A lot of old news footage from when the US was dabbling in that while playing loud music during hostage holdouts have been conveniently lost. Also, why would it take a group of cops to arrest someone on tax evasion?

Yeah I am sure they drove him over the edge with that electronic harassment as well. He became an alcoholic also.

As for the arrest, it sure looked suspicious but it could have been a combination of other made up charges on top of tax evasion. But he was known to not pay his taxes because he believed they were unconstitutional, so there is something there.

 

[Helioform]

Tax evasion:

Death

Cooper openly refused to pay taxes, and the IRS charged him with income tax evasion. According to the Feds, Cooper spent years trying to avoid capture on a 1998 arrest warrant for tax evasion and "vowed that he would not be taken alive." Convinced that Bill Clintonwas personally targeting him, Cooper made it known that any attempt to arrest him for such minor things as assaulting a local man with a wrench and not paying taxes would be met with "armed resistance." He had broadcast threats to "kill any law enforcement officers that tried to take him" and police suspected he had a large quantity of weapons and possibly explosives in his home.

On November 5, 2001, the Apache County, Arizona sheriff's department, perhaps fearing another Waco, cautiously drew Cooper away from his ostensibly weapon-filled house using a car parked nearby playing loud music. According to police accounts, Cooper emerged from his house, and when police officers confronted him, he shot at them with a handgun and wounded one of them in the head. The police, not liking people shooting at them, returned fire and Cooper was killed.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/William_Cooper

 

[Colonel Valerio]

Tax evasion:

Death

Cooper openly refused to pay taxes, and the IRS charged him with income tax evasion. According to the Feds, Cooper spent years trying to avoid capture on a 1998 arrest warrant for tax evasion and "vowed that he would not be taken alive." Convinced that Bill Clintonwas personally targeting him, Cooper made it known that any attempt to arrest him for such minor things as assaulting a local man with a wrench and not paying taxes would be met with "armed resistance." He had broadcast threats to "kill any law enforcement officers that tried to take him" and police suspected he had a large quantity of weapons and possibly explosives in his home.

On November 5, 2001, the Apache County, Arizona sheriff's department, perhaps fearing another Waco, cautiously drew Cooper away from his ostensibly weapon-filled house using a car parked nearby playing loud music. According to police accounts, Cooper emerged from his house, and when police officers confronted him, he shot at them with a handgun and wounded one of them in the head. The police, not liking people shooting at them, returned fire and Cooper was killed.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/William_Cooper

http://articles.latimes.com/2001/nov/07/news/mn-1182

 

[The Zone]

I still think it is odd in that he did multiple radio shows, etc that they could not find him. Lots of stuff out there on Bill -

 

[Helioform]

http://articles.latimes.com/2001/nov/07/news/mn-1182

Yeah, so? Like I said the real motive was tax evasion, since he tried to avoid capture all that time since 1998. The alleged altercation was just something extra.

 

[Colonel Valerio]

Yeah, so? Like I said the real motive was tax evasion, since he tried to avoid capture all that time since 1998. The alleged altercation was just something extra.

Point is he wasn’t whacked because his beliefs, he was no martyr. The arrest did stem from altercations with residents and to answer Zone’s question on why a simple tax evasion charge would require a group of cops, well it was obvious that he was an armed nut.

You can tell he is the original “truther” though because if anyone dared question him he labeled them as shills or agents, just like happens here on the daily.

 

[The Zone]

I think you may have a slightly slanted view in that he had a take on the Oklahoma City bombing which in turn made some feel he was militia open. We had a lot going on in those days with few knowing about false flags which bled into several other incidents.

As for the UFO take changing, I think it is a field where that just happens. I was a bit of an expert at one time on UFOlogy but things I learned and saw along the way altered my take greatly. I can tell you from experience that our government/governments have tech so far ahead of the norm that it is hard to describe in mere words. The past cannot be changed, but time can be manipulated by altering realities or playing with dimension portals.

Not even the government knows of all the agendas aliens or demons bring to the table other than tech for favors nor are they aware of whether any actual truth has been shared as to their origins, etc. Are they from other planets or another dimension?

Anyhow, there are forces which seek to govern man whether we like it or not and the desire for knowledge makes us complicit to their plans. In short, we had tech in the late 70's that has only come out in the last decade.

 

[TonyVanDam]

I remember reading this book when I was younger and forgot much of it, so I ordered a copy from Amazon (reluctantly from them). The first thing I noticed was that the reprint had some disappointing grammatical errors and was missing 22 pages from the original text. Does anyone know what is missing? Anyhow, I was disappointed that this was the case but will still read it from start to finish in the next month or so or when time allows. The quick thumb through seems to point to the missing text being about aliens, etc. or greys as they are called. It is no secret that some still consider him the Godfather of theories, but I think he is just one of many interesting researchers from the past. Anyhow, he was shot in his front yard, so that tells you something.

You were better off buying a copy of Behold A Pale Horse from Barnes & Nobles, which is what I did years ago.

And I do recall that William Cooper admitted that one of his biggest regrets was the research about UFOs. He said that because the [dis]information he found may have been planted there for him to find on purpose to throw him off of his investigation for the real truth. But with that said, I still rank William Cooper & Dr. Steve Cokely as THE main conspiracy researchers who respected works are required readings even today.

 

[Etagloc]

Cooper died because he shot cops who were trying to arrest him for not paying his taxes.

That being said, he was the one who started all of this "truther" movement back when the internet was just being born. He was the first to dump info on all the UFO theories, and predicted events like the fall of the Berlin Wall and 9-11. What made me trust his info at first in Behold a Pale Horse was his photographic proof that he was in the Navy and had security clearances. Also pretty much everything he said in his "Mystery Babylon" series was 100% right on (at least according to what I have researched). And he should know, he was a former member of the De Molay fraternity, a masonic recruitment group for children.

He later totally went back on what he said about aliens and that it was all only a ploy to install a world socialist government based on Illuminist beliefs, after a fake alien threat. I think they must have got to him because it's rather strange to do a full 180 degrees on something that he was truly passionate about.

I will always remember his motto: "Read everything and listen to everyone but believe ONLY what you can prove with your own research." Sadly the conspiracist community severely lacks that discipline today and conspiracy theories have become as common as junk food restaurants.

are you PAID to attack any actual conspiracy theory?

what are you, Snopes?

 

[Helioform]

are you PAID to attack any actual conspiracy theory?

No, why would anyone even think that? Did you even read what I wrote?

 

[MP3D]

Tax evasion:

Death

Cooper openly refused to pay taxes, and the IRS charged him with income tax evasion. According to the Feds, Cooper spent years trying to avoid capture on a 1998 arrest warrant for tax evasion and "vowed that he would not be taken alive." Convinced that Bill Clintonwas personally targeting him, Cooper made it known that any attempt to arrest him for such minor things as assaulting a local man with a wrench and not paying taxes would be met with "armed resistance." He had broadcast threats to "kill any law enforcement officers that tried to take him" and police suspected he had a large quantity of weapons and possibly explosives in his home.

On November 5, 2001, the Apache County, Arizona sheriff's department, perhaps fearing another Waco, cautiously drew Cooper away from his ostensibly weapon-filled house using a car parked nearby playing loud music. According to police accounts, Cooper emerged from his house, and when police officers confronted him, he shot at them with a handgun and wounded one of them in the head. The police, not liking people shooting at them, returned fire and Cooper was killed.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/William_Cooper

wikipedia is always100% true!!!

 

[MP3D]

I think you may have a slightly slanted view in that he had a take on the Oklahoma City bombing which in turn made some feel he was militia open. We had a lot going on in those days with few knowing about false flags which bled into several other incidents.

As for the UFO take changing, I think it is a field where that just happens. I was a bit of an expert at one time on UFOlogy but things I learned and saw along the way altered my take greatly. I can tell you from experience that our government/governments have tech so far ahead of the norm that it is hard to describe in mere words. The past cannot be changed, but time can be manipulated by altering realities or playing with dimension portals.

Not even the government knows of all the agendas aliens or demons bring to the table other than tech for favors nor are they aware of whether any actual truth has been shared as to their origins, etc. Are they from other planets or another dimension?

Anyhow, there are forces which seek to govern man whether we like it or not and the desire for knowledge makes us complicit to their plans. In short, we had tech in the late 70's that has only come out in the last decade.

YOU HAVE TO TELL US MORE!!

 

[elsbet]

...
Are they from other planets or another dimension?

Anyhow, there are forces which seek to govern man whether we like it or not and the desire for knowledge makes us complicit to their plans. In short, we had tech in the late 70's that has only come out in the last decade.

Knowledge and POWER, yes.

The Tech from the 70s coming out in the last decade... you're probably right. By the time we hear about what is *new* on the scene, its already been done. Back to trading for knowledge etc makes me think of the Arthur C Clarke quote...

Because it damn near is.. that's my thought, anyway.