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No both don't speak for God.

Only one do.
You're literally forgetting the 30+ Prophets before Jesus in your own Bible who also claimed to speak for God.

Noah
Abraham
Jacob
Joseph
Moses
Aaron
Miriam
Joshua
Samuel
Nathan
King David
King Solomon
Elijah
Michaiah
Elisha
Jonah
Joel
Hosea
Isaiah
Jeremiah
Habakkuk
Obadiah
Daniel
Ezekiel
Zechariah
Malachi
John The Baptist

Then after Jesus in the New Testament itself you've got Paul and St John both claiming Prophecy of God which is of course, very dubious.


So no, since the beginning of time we've had people claiming to speak from God.
 

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You're literally forgetting the 30+ Prophets before Jesus in your own Bible who also claimed to speak for God.

Noah
Abraham
Jacob
Joseph
Moses
Aaron
Miriam
Joshua
Samuel
Nathan
King David
King Solomon
Elijah
Michaiah
Elisha
Jonah
Joel
Hosea
Isaiah
Jeremiah
Habakkuk
Obadiah
Daniel
Ezekiel
Zechariah
Malachi
John The Baptist

Then after Jesus in the New Testament itself you've got Paul and St John both claiming Prophecy of God which is of course, very dubious.


So no, since the beginning of time we've had people claiming to speak from God.
The two founders of the two major religons of the world are not on the same page no not even the same book.

Jesus Christ came to fulfill what the Old Testament prophets prophesied. And His story is in the New Testament.

Muhammad got a completly other gospel in the Quran... even denying the Divinity of Jesus Christ.


So the two founders of the two major religions of the world do not come from nor speak for the same God.
 
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So the two founders of the two major religions of the world do not come from nor speak for the same God.
Your forgetting all of the Prophets on that list you quoted. Did all of the Prophets speak 'for the same God' or not?

As for "founders", Jesus didn't found anything, Paul did.

What God did Noah worship?
What God did Abraham worship?
 

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Your forgetting all of the Prophets on that list you quoted. Did all of the Prophets speak 'for the same God' or not?
Where are those prophets you ask about found ? In the Bible right.

They are found in God's book the Bible. And so those prophets spoke for God.

It's not that hard to understand is it ?


Those prophets did not found a religion... like Jesus did and Muhammad.

You say Paul founded Christendom so you ignore the other apostles some who also went abroad to tell that Jesus Christ is God.

Muhammad is not one of the prophets in the Bible. No he got his own book openly challenging the Divinity of Jesus Christ.


The two major religions of the world are not on the same page not even the same book about whether Jesus Christ is God or not.

So both religions cannot come from God. One is from a crafty angelic adversary.
 

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Luke 18 1Then Jesus told them a parable about their need to pray at all times and not lose heart: 2“In a certain town there was a judge who neither feared God nor respected men. 3And there was a widow in that town who kept appealing to him, ‘Give me justice against my adversary.’

4For a while he refused, but later he said to himself, ‘Even though I do not fear God or respect men, 5yet because this widow keeps pestering me, I will give her justice. Then she will stop wearing me out with her perpetual requests.’”

6And the Lord said, “Listen to the words of the unjust judge. 7Will not God bring about justice for His elect who cry out to Him day and night? Will He continue to defer their help? 8I tell you, He will promptly carry out justice on their behalf. Nevertheless, when the Son of Man comes, will He find faith on earth?


Christendom is supposedly over one billion strong... but not according to Jesus Christ.

So a lot of or most christians do not have faith.



1 Timothy 4 1Now the Spirit expressly states that in later times some will abandon the faith to follow deceitful spirits and the teachings of demons, 2influenced by the hypocrisy of liars, whose consciences are seared with a hot iron.

3They will prohibit marriage and require abstinence from certain foods that God has created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. 4For every creation of God is good, and nothing that is received with thanksgiving should be rejected, 5because it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.


The pastors of the Catholic church for example are not allowed to marry... and so the Spirit has outed Catholicism as an abandonment from faith.



2 Thessalonians 2 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,

The falling away from faith will precede the return of Jesus Christ.

And that's why He asked if He would find faith on earth.
 

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When the Son of Man comes, will He find faith on earth?


Most subscribe to a doctrine that is not of the faith.

Catholicism Mormonism Jehovah's witnesses Prosperity theology and Free grace theology etc etc...


Most do not have faith... as He said.
 
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Is there a God ? Yes.

Are there gods ? Yes.


So how do we know who is the real God in a world of gods ?


Well that's the problem each of us will either solve or ignore.

Can the real great God please stand up ?


God must prove that He is the one and only God and not just one of the many gods.

How would He do that ?
 

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Do those Prophets have a real-life existence outside of the Bible? Or are they just book characters?
The two founders of the two major religions of the world are not on the same page no not even the same book.

They don't share the same message.

And their followers have a history of war and violence against each other.


Jesus and Muhammad do not both speak for God.
 

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Daniel 9 27Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.

And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the desolate.”



This is most likely a suspension of true Christendom... as the saints will be persecuted for 3.5 years accordng to both Daniel 7:25 and Rev 12:17.

I call it suspension as true Christendom will prevail forever and ever... simply because Jesus Christ is God.
 

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Revelation 19 19And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army. 20 Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone. 21 And the rest were killed with the sword which proceeded from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse. And all the birds were filled with their flesh.


Revelation 13 11 Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon. 12 And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. 13 He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men. 14 And he deceives those who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived. 15 He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed. 16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

18 Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.




The false prophet is the same as the second beast with two horns like a lamb who spoke like a dragon.

The second beast is the second in command... and has been given authority from the first beast whose deadly wound was healed to push the world into worshiping the image of the first beast and receiving the mark of this beast.


Who is the first beast whose deadly wound was healed ? The revived Third reich !

We're not there yet...

The revival of the Third reich has not yet been revealed at this time.
 

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We're still here... life goes on...

How long now ?

Where are we on God's timetable ?


Well we are for sure in the 70th and last week which began on Sept 23 2015 the Day of Atonement... so enjoy the normalcy as it's getting real late. There is nothing in the prophecy which suggest that the 70th week will complete first before the Day of the Lord.
 
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So according to the time table we are close... and according to the event table Iran and gang will attempt to invade Israel.

And the build up to that future failure is already taking place...
 

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Just because people pose as christians on forums like this... does not mean that they are.

The Devil is hard at work and so are his devils.


The thing is that true Christians are moved by the Spirit of Truth... and so if you don't recognize truths then you lack the Spirit of Truth.

On this forum most who pose as christians are in fact opposing the Spirit of Truth.


I am a spokesperson of Jesus Christ and you are full of yourselves.
 
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Is there a God ? Yes.

Are there gods ? Yes.


So how do we know who is the real God in a world of gods ?


Well that's the problem each of us will either solve or ignore.

Can the real great God please stand up ?


God must prove that He is the one and only God and not just one of the many gods.

How would He do that ?
Why would our Creator (the "I AM") need to prove anything to any of us? Isn't that the wrong question?

We've been given the precise way to prove God is real in the Bible (John 7:16-17), IF anyone is really interested (see Deut. 30:15-20, Deut 28).

It's all about keeping The Law (found in the first five books of the Bible, namely Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy), which will always be in effect, exactly as Christ said (Matt. 5:17-20).

Those that don't learn this, will NOT survive.
 

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Why would our Creator (the "I AM") need to prove anything to any of us? Isn't that the wrong question?
If the Creator could not be bothered to prove himself to His creation... well then respectfully fuk Him.


But the Bible is His story and ours as well.

His book is filled with prophecies written down long before they came to pass... and so God has proved himself.
 

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If the Creator could not be bothered to prove himself to His creation... well then respectfully fuk Him.


But the Bible is His story and ours as well.

His book is filled with prophecies written down long before they came to pass... and so God has proved himself.
While we're in complete agreement that the Bible is His story as well as ours, and that the prophecies offer us irrefutable proof of Him, there's nothing respectful at all about what you've said.

What's amazing to me is that any rationally-minded human+Being still questions His Existence at this point in His-Story, particularly given we've now mapped the human genome and have arrived at the conclusion that DNA is a programming language (and hence requires a programmer to have written it).

It has likewise been proven statistically IMPOSSIBLE for this world, and everything in it, to have somehow created itself, no matter how much time is estimated for all of that to have happened.

Émile Borel, a distinguished French expert on probability, stated what he called “the single law of chance”, or merely “the law of chance”, in these words:

“Events whose probability is extremely small never occur".

He calculated that probabilities smaller than 1/10^15 were negligible on the terrestrial scale, and he went on to say:

"We may be led to set at 10^-50 (1 in 10^50 odds) the value of negligible probabilities on the cosmic scale. When the probability of an event is below this limit, the opposite event may be expected to occur with certainty, whatever the number of occasions presenting themselves in the entire universe."

By “opposite event”, he means no event, or a complete failure to occur. So, in terms of DNA for example, thinking that even one gene could arrange itself by chance into any usable order in the entire universe isn't remotely realistic, if we apply this statement by the eminent mathematician. Simply stated another way, by the single law of chance, it will NEVER occur.

Not in a million years. Not even in 15 billion.

Add to that over two-thirds of the Bible is prophecy, over 99% of which has been fulfilled in exact and minute detail, only a fool would look at that track record and think the remaining less than 1% won't likewise be fulfilled in exact and minute detail.

Of course this likewise proves the existence of our Creator beyond any REASONABLE doubt, as no one could so perfectly and accurately predict future events--sometimes thousands of years in advance--unless they existed outside of time and space, exactly as the Creator of time and space would have to do to have created them in the first place.
 
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While we're in complete agreement that the Bible is His story as well as ours, and that the prophecies offer us irrefutable proof of Him, there's nothing respectful at all about what you've said.
Of course it is respectful... that's what respectfully means.


What's amazing to me is that any rationally-minded human+Being still questions His Existence at this point in His-Story, particularly given we've now mapped the human genome and have arrived at the conclusion that DNA is a programming language (and hence requires a programmer to have written it).
Right it's obviously a creation which necessitates a Creator... and since there is this old document known as the Bible filled with fulfilled prophecies... it's no longer an unknown Creator but the God of Israel.
 

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After about 2000 years... Christendom has grown up and branched out like a tree.

Upon the branches are voices often bickering with other branches... and the gardener is coming with an axe on his shoulders.

It's pruning time.

Who knows which branch will survive... maybe a stump only ?
 

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3 John 1 9I wrote to the church, but Diotrephes, who loves to have the preeminence among them, does not receive us.

10Therefore, if I come, I will call to mind his deeds which he does, prating against us with malicious words. And not content with that, he himself does not receive the brethren, and forbids those who wish to, putting them out of the church.
 
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