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Why was the Messiah crucified ?
What was the point ?
Anybody feel lucky today ?

Negative heathen vibes had been building up for thousands of years, so Jesus was sent to soak them up like a lightning conducter to give the human race a clean slate-



but since then they've been building up again and the clock is ticking-
"The time has come for judging the dead.. and for destroying those who destroy the earth" (Revelation11:18 )
 






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Negative heathen vibes had been building up for thousands of years, so Jesus was sent to soak them up like a lightning conducter to give the human race a clean slate-



but since then they've been building up again and the clock is ticking-
"The time has come for judging the dead.. and for destroying those who destroy the earth" (Revelation11:18 )
Listen.


Lev 17 11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul.’




Sins are only removed by blood.

Not animal blood nor human blood but God's blood.


God as the Creator has to pay the price for crimes committed by His creation for man to receive forgiveness for sins.
 






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Here is an example of picking a bible verse to make an erroneous point...


1 John 5 Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves Him who begot also loves him who is begotten of Him.


Muslims believe Jesus is the Christ... therefore muslims are born of God. Wrong.



Why is it wrong ?

The bible states that whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God... so how come it's wrong ?
 






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You want to know who is a true believer in Jesus Christ ?

One who obeys His commandments.
 






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You want to know who has actual faith in Jesus Christ ?

One who obeys His commandments.
 






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Rev 12 7Then a war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8But the dragon was not strong enough, and no longer was any place found in heaven for him and his angels. 9And the great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.



10And I heard a loud voice in heaven saying:

“Now have come the salvation and the power

and the kingdom of our God,

and the authority of His Christ.

For the accuser of our brothers has been thrown down—

he who accuses them day and night before our God.

11They have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb

and by the word of their testimony.

And they did not love their lives

so as to shy away from death.

12Therefore rejoice, O heavens,

and you who dwell in them!


But woe to the earth and the sea;


with great fury the devil has come down to you,

knowing he has only a short time.”
 






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Acts 17 29Therefore, being offspring of God, we should not think that the Divine Being is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by man’s skill and imagination. 30Although God overlooked the ignorance of earlier times, He now commands all men everywhere to repent. 31For He has set a day when He will judge the world with justice by the Man He has appointed. He has given proof of this to all men by raising Him from the dead.”…


Romans 2 3So when you, O man, pass judgment on others, yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God’s judgment? 4Or do you disregard the riches of His kindness, tolerance, and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness leads you to repentance? 5But because of your hard and unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of wrath, when God’s righteous judgment will be revealed.
 






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God's grace is paying the price for your sins and lead you to repentance... so He can forgive you.
 






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Who among you know that i teach truths ?

Now if you don't know or doubt... you are lacking.
 






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Muslims believe Jesus is the Christ...

Muslims believe Jesus was a prophet, so full marks to them for that, but they also say he wasn't the son of God, so in that respect they're on the naughty step..
"A liar denies Jesus is the Christ, and is an antichrist" (1 John 2:22/23)

[Koran 4.171]- "O followers of the Book [Bible]...do not speak lies against Allah, but speak the truth; the Messiah, Isa [Jesus] son of Marium [Mary] is only an apostle of Allah.....Allah is only one God; far be It from His glory that He should have a son"
 






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Muslims believe Jesus was a prophet, so full marks to them for that, but they also say he wasn't the son of God, so in that respect they're on the naughty step..
"A liar denies Jesus is the Christ, and is an antichrist" (1 John 2:22/23)

[Koran 4.171]- "O followers of the Book [Bible]...do not speak lies against Allah, but speak the truth; the Messiah, Isa [Jesus] son of Marium [Mary] is only an apostle of Allah.....Allah is only one God; far be It from His glory that He should have a son"
An antichrist is a christian who denies that Jesus is the Christ... that is a christian who denies that the Word of God who is also God became flesh and dwelt among us as the Son of God and the Son of Man.

So an antichrist is a christian who denies that Jesus is God.



The quran is twisting of truths and outright lies... since it is dictated by the devil who is a liar and the father of lies.
 






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..So an antichrist is a christian who denies that Jesus is God.

If that was true, Simon Peter's on the naughty step-

"Jesus asked his disciples- 'Who do you say I am?'
Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.

Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven." (Matt 13:16/17)

See, Jesus didn't say to him "Wrong, guess again".. :p

Same when the high priest asked Jesus who he was, he replied-

 






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If that was true, Simon Peter's on the naughty step-

"Jesus asked his disciples- 'Who do you say I am?'
Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.

Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven." (Matt 13:16/17)

See, Jesus didn't say to him "Wrong, guess again".. :p
Jesus is the Son of God right or wrong ? Right.

Jesus is the Son of Man right or wrong ? Right.

Jesus is the Word of God right or wrong ? Right.

The Word of God is also God right or wrong ? Right.





Same when the high priest asked Jesus who he was, he replied-

John 5 17But Jesus answered them, “To this very day My Father is at His work, and I too am working.” 18Because of this, the Jews tried all the harder to kill Him. Not only was He breaking the Sabbath, but He was even calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God.

John 10 32But Jesus responded, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone Me?” 33“We are not stoning You for any good work,” said the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because You, who are a man, declare Yourself to be God.”
 






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..The Word of God is also God right or wrong ? Right.

Just because Jesus passed God's words onto us doesn't mean Jesus was God..:)
Same with Shakespeare putting words into actor's mouths, it doesn't mean the actors ARE Shakespeare.
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Just because Jesus passed God's words onto us doesn't mean Jesus was God..:)
Same with Shakespeare putting words into actor's mouths, it doesn't mean the actors ARE Shakespeare.
We can agree that God is greater than you right.

You don't have the full understanding of God heck even i don't have that...


Anyway you know from the Scriptures that it is Jesus who will judge you... so if you think your eternal destination will be judged by someone who is not God... you might not be the sharpest knife in the drawer... but that's okay.

We can't all be me L0L
 






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Anyway you know from the Scriptures that it is Jesus who will judge you... so if you think your eternal destination will be judged by someone who is not God... you might not be the sharpest knife in the drawer... but that's okay.
Stephen said- “I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.” (Acts 7:56)

So as Jesus and God are both singing from the same song sheet (the holy spirit) in perfect harmony like the Everly's, it's a joint verdict when they find anybody guilty or not guilty..:)

 






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Stephen said- “I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.” (Acts 7:56)

So as Jesus and God are both singing from the same song sheet (the holy spirit) in perfect harmony like the Everly's, it's a joint verdict when they find anybody guilty or not guilty..:)

Well...

John 5 22 For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son


Stick to the Script.
 






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2 Tim 2 24And a servant of the Lord must not be quarrelsome, but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, and forbearing. 25He must gently reprove those who oppose him, in the hope that God may grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth. 26Then they will come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, who has taken them captive to his will.



Do not quarrel with me.
 






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