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I don’t since he’s not God. I live under God‘s authority.
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Jesus is God.
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check out the channel and also look up 'ergun caner exposed'
this entire network was one big fraud. There were legit more honest christians who were really fed up about these liars, knowing that it made Christianity look bad as a whole.
God's wrath begins at the breaking of the sixth seal... and there seems to be a season marker in the Script.
Strong's G3653 - olynthos - an unripe fig which grows during the winter, yet does not come to maturity but falls off in the spring.
Well we're in spring now...
Rev 6 12 I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became like blood.
13 And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind.
14 Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place.
15 And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, 16 and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!
17 For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”
Also God is furious when gog and gang attack israel... so i'm thinking that might coincide with the breaking of the 6th seal in spring. And i'm afraid it's nuclear...
Strong's G3653 - olynthos - an unripe fig which grows during the winter, yet does not come to maturity but falls off in the spring.
Well we're in spring now...
Rev 6 12 I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became like blood.
13 And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind.
14 Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place.
15 And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, 16 and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!
17 For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”
Also God is furious when gog and gang attack israel... so i'm thinking that might coincide with the breaking of the 6th seal in spring. And i'm afraid it's nuclear...
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this video is great one of my favourite testimonies, and its also highlighted by Nabeel Quereshi, when he went to the QuRan for comfort, he could not find it when he went to the Bible, he found it instantly from the New Testament from Jesus. Ill take Jesus love, over this works religion anyday!
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Seems that you choose Christianity for solely subjective reasons. Not everyone likes the color blue, some people prefer the color green or yellow.
Anyway, I prefer the Mahabharata over the Bible in the same fanclub sense you speak of.
And as for people converting to different religions, yes people do this. I'm exchristian but you would place Nabeel's views of Islam above my views of Christianity because he is more relevant to your own agenda than me, because I confront your beliefs whereas he comforts your beliefs.
Also on Nabeel, funny enough he wasn't even a practicing Muslim and he also came out of a fringe form of Sunnism known as Ahmadiyya (who believe a lot of things considered heretical by Sunnism). I've seen various videos of his over the years and I am both not convinced he understood Islam even the slightest, nor am I convinced he was actually satisfied with Christianity. It seems more that he "converted" to Christianity because he was trying to make money of the american Right-wing evangelical christian crowd who are very anti-Islamic and primitive-minded.
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Well we can all make unfounded assumptions, I've done all my investigations on my doubts.
This whole post, is full of assumptions, ones I know to be incorrect based on the fact they are about me. lol. Ive read alot more than you think and doubted alot more than you could know, my own questions were answered.
There is enough logic in arguments ive already presented regarding God being love, and Allahs love being imperfect, and logically God would have to be the most loving being and Allah fails that test and is not God.
Not too mention the very nature of Muhammads revelation, which sounds more like demon posession than anything from God.
This is enough to keep me from giving Islam any credibility what so ever, if you need to look into translations etc, because you are drawn to it thats on you, I have had my own doubts about christianity and favoured many relgions at times, but I wouldnt say Islam was the one that gave me the most credibility to doubt my faith at all.
Ive watched that guy Yashu (muslim convert) with an open mind, the white guy, and again it gets down to percieved inconsistencies in the Bible and the trinity, which I heard every rebuttal for, and came to the conclusion it was perfectly reasonable to believe that whatever percieved inconsistancies this man was lead into doubt from, tthey weren't actually very deep at all, and could easily be followed in the trail through the original translations. Many times even in this thread youve quoted, the original translation and totally twisted the meaning to fit your narrative. Even the whole Jesus wasnt God, it is more likely to me he was God, based on what is said in the New Testament than he wasnt, based on he never said I AM GOD.
They said Jesus cast out devils in the devils name, there is always a way to twist the message. My belief goes beyond academic understanding, if thats what you need to believe then by all means but ive already been down that road, and im satisfied with the counterarguments for any criticism of christianity at least intellectually, moralistically id say is more of an area for some doubt, just based on human experience, not accuracy of accounts or texts or interpretations of scripture.
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Based on your replies to me and lack thereof, I doubt you've done any and you have clear conceit about your position.
What exactly is your argument here? I'm failing to grasp it.
Many of God's names in Islam are to to with love (Wadud), mercy (Rahim), compassion (Rahman), forgiveness (Ghafur and Ghaffar), being just (Adl), Peace (as-salaam), Friend (al-waliyy), Beneficence (Barr), kindness (ar-Rauf), etc.
Your idolatrous Jesus-as-deity idea fails the test of being the "most loving being" in my view, as God must be pretty terrible if it can't forgive humanity without sacrifice. If God requires a sacrifice to give us salvation then the "God" in question can't be the God of Abraham. Your view implies that God is not perfect and that God makes mistakes, and that God changes.
How so? do you apply your judgement to the Prophets of the Old Testament? or do you just ignore them because "meh Jebuz"
I don't know who or what video you're talking about.
Nope, you operate from an assumed conclusion about what the Bible says, you interpret the Bible through your conclusions rather than what the text says. Most of your beliefs cannot be proven through the Bible and require an institution like the Catholic church to justify such beliefs.
Is that a Freudian-slip? lol
Exorcism was not something new to Jesus, in fact it was a common practice in Vedic times (which predate Christianity by millennia).
And at that, Jesus himself says in the New Testament that you should be able to be an exorcist too yourself.
Funny enough it seems that todays exorcists are therapists, lol
And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
(Mark 16:17-18)
Interestingly on the contrary:
Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?'
(Matthew 7:22)
Personally I don't give much credence to so-called "miracles", for the record Elijah is the most worthy candidate for being "God-incarnate" in the entire Bible yet he only gets a passing mention by you Christians. Everything about Elijah is more impressive than the New Testament Jesus. Also Moses had more impressive miracles than Jesus too. But I digress..
You are the same as all the other Christians on here. You decided that Christianity was the path for you, then you've taken up the view that it is bulletproof and uncriticizable, that anyone who criticizes it is just lost and only does it because they're not "born again" etc.
It doesn't matter how hard hitting a criticism is to you because you are not concerned with truth, only holding your current beliefs for sake of emotional comfort. I get it. To you yours then.
However I will say, if the Qur'an is not from God, then the whole entire Abrahamic tradition (Judaism, Christianity and Islam, plus related sects and movements) is provably false on the basis of that alone. If the Qur'an is from God, then the Abrahamic tradition can be explained away with all it's pagan relations.
This was beautiful. The sad part is a lot of people probably won't understand what you're saying
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You talk with all the authority in the world and again make assumptions, to fit me into a narrative you've painted of christians that helps you reinforce your own beliefs. The fundamental differences go back to the same issues. Mainly being you dont believe Jesus was who he said he was, and think the scriptures are forgeries. The difference in between Elijah and Jesus was Elijah did miracles and never claimed to be anything but a man. Jesus was sinless. That seems to be your stumbling block. And we have more information on the events of Jesus than we do some philosophers, yet you doubt. Because you are no different from those that put him to death. And if he came back today you would be there to reject him, because you cant stand the fact he was God and sinless, and not just a man.
There is nothing beautiful about Allah and his 99 names, why did he nearly choke Muhammad to death in a cave, contrary to all Bible visitations, which say "DO NOT FEAR".
There is nothing beautiful about Allah and his 99 names, why did he nearly choke Muhammad to death in a cave, contrary to all Bible visitations, which say "DO NOT FEAR".
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Actually no, I do believe who he said he was. You admittedly believe he is who he didn't say he was.
Neither did Jesus, and Jesus wouldn't be so arrogant as to claim such a blasphemy against God.
All the Prophets where, from Adam to Muhammad.
Actually I know for a fact that Christians would reject him if he returned so you just made me ROTFL.
No, it's that I KNOW he wasn't God, a single human being is not God anymore than the entire universe is God. Make your choice.
He did die afterall supposedly, lol.
Your opinion.
I thought lying was supposed to be a bad thing? what gives? just lie away...
Actually:
"At a lodging place on the way, Yahweh (YHWH) met Moses and was about to kill him. But Zipporah took a flint knife, cut off her son’s foreskin and touched Moses’ feet with it. “Surely you are a bridegroom of blood to me,” she said. So Yahweh (YHWH) let him alone."
(Exodus 4:24-26)
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Jesus often quoted the OT, and people lurved him to bits because he taught in a bright and breezy way, not like the stuffy old priests, and the word on the street was-
"The covenant of which Jesus is mediator is superior to the old one" (Heb 8:6)
"The law was given by Moses,but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ" (John 1:17)
"Through Jesus we are saved,and not through Moses" (Acts 13:39)
"Jesus saved you from the empty way of life handed you by your forefathers" (1 Pet 1:18 )
"We serve in the new way of the spirit, not in the old way of the written code" (Rom 7:6)
"Let us fix our eyes on Jesus,the author and finisher of our faith" (Hebrews 12:2)
"The epistle of Christ,written not in stone,but in the heart" (2 Cor 3:3)
"The veil covers the old covenant,but is removed by Jesus" (2 Cor 3:12)
"In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent." (Acts 17:30)
"Jesus is worthy of more honour than Moses" (Heb 3:3)
"The law brought us to Christ like a schoolmaster,but now through Christ we are not under that schoolmaster" (Gal 3:22-25)
"The first covenant had rules of worship,but Jesus's rules are not man-made" (Heb 9:1-15)
"God spoke through the prophets, but in these last days through his son" (Heb 1:1/2)
"Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith" (Heb 12:2)
"Preach the unsearchable riches of Christ" (Eph 3:8/9)
"Christ is the end of the law" (Rom 10:4)
"The mystery hidden in God since the beginning of the world,now made plain through Jesus" (Eph 3:9-11)
"Jesus gives us all we need for life" (2 Pet 1:3)
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Completely taken out of context oh look a rebuttal. He wasnt even talking about Moses. Are you seriously using the NIV translation? which we know is a very poor translation.
And look we are into copy paste arguments, which is exactly what I didnt want to do but seriously, you talk about honesty, and education look at how poor this argument is when reading it in context according to the ACTUAL meaning of the verse. You clearly arent as educated as you think.
Good day.
What exactly is happening in the passage about the circumcision of Moses' son in Exodus 4:24-26?
| "24 And it came to pass by the way in the inn, that the LORD met him, and sought to kill him. 25 Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me. 26 So he let him go: then she said, A bloody husband thou art, because of the circumcision." (Exodus 4:21-26, KJV) Many have been taught that in Exodus 4:24-26 God is seeking to kill Moses, and in response Zipporah circumcises her son to avert God's wrath. This is supported by a midrash (Jewish interpretation) in the Book of Jasher (Sepir Ha Yasher) 79:8-12 (which is not the authentic Book of Jasher mentioned in the Old Testament). The Exodus passage also refers to the term, "bridegroom of blood," in many translations. This passage has perplexed many students of the word over the years.
The problem is not with the answers, but with the questions. People are asking the wrong questions because they are reading the passage incorrectly in faulty translations. When the passage is read correctly in the King James Bible, the passage becomes easy to understand. There is no need to ask these difficult questions. The NIV says from Exodus 4:21-26: The underlined words above are words that were supplied by the NIV translators. The original Hebrew only has pronouns such as "he" and "him" in those places. These supplied names seem to make it easier for the reader to follow the narrative. But the problem is that these supplied names are incorrect. When we read the passage in the King James Bible we get the correct understanding of the passage. Once we get the correct understanding of the passage, the hard questions that have plagued theologians for years will vanish. Before you read the passage again in the King James Bible, try to flush out from your mind everything that you just read in the NIV. Approach the text as if you are reading it for the first time. The KJV says from Exodus 4:21-26: Let us go through this passage, explaining each difficult section separately. "Him" in verse 24 refers to Pharaoh's firstborn son In verse 23, God makes it clear that he will slay Pharaoh's firstborn son if Pharaoh refuses to let go of Israel. Now, in verse 24, the underlined "him," refers not to Moses but to Pharaoh's firstborn son. This interpretation makes sense grammatically because the nearest antecedent is "firstborn" in verse 23. This interpretation also makes sense narratologically because the previous verse speaks of God promising to kill Pharaoh's firstborn son. Thus verse 24 belongs together in the same episode as that of verse 23. Many translations (even some KJV editions) begin a new section after verse 23 (often with a new section heading), obscuring the fact that "him" in verse 24 refers to Pharaoh's firstborn son mentioned in verse 23. Having a break between verse 23 and 24 is not necessarily wrong because there seems to be a chronological break between the two verses (e.g. "And it came to pass...." (verse 24)), but there is no thematic break. Verse 24 says that the LORD met Pharaoh's firstborn son in an inn and determined ("sought") to kill him. God had the foreknowledge of Pharaoh's refusal to let Israel go, so God was already prepared to seek the death of the firstborn son. This sentence also serves to foreshadow the future narrative. Zipporah circumcised her son as Moses held him still A new section begins from verse 25. The narrative begins with a picture of Zipporah circumcising her son. The immediate question is, "Why is Moses not performing the circumcision?" The answer is that Moses had to hold on to the son so that the son would stay still. Imagine the situation. Here is a grown boy who had to be circumcised. A typical child would not stay still for a scary procedure such as circumcision. Some parents who have taken their children to the dentist or vaccination will understand. Zipporah, being a woman, probably did not have enough strength to completely keep still a grown boy. So Moses had to keep the boy still. Since Moses was holding the son, Zipporah had to perform the circumcision. That is why when the circumcision was over, verse 26 says, "he let him go." This "he" is Moses because the nearest male antecedent is "bloody husband." This phrase is not about God letting Moses go, but about Moses letting his son go after the circumcision was over. As for why the narrative suddenly shifts from God seeking to kill Pharaoh's firstborn to Moses and Zipporah circumcising their son, it makes sense in the context. In verse 23 God had pronounced a judgment upon Pharaoh's son, but it may have been obvious to Moses that God's judgment affects not only the king of Egypt but all the Egyptians. Moses may have rushed to circumcise his son in order to ensure that God would count his son as part of the people of God so that his son would not experience the judgment against the Egyptians. Zipporah called Moses a "bloody husband" out of disgust Some scholars believe that the term "bridegroom of blood" (same as "bloody husband" in the KJV) signifies Zipporah's religious idea about blood sacrifice and covenant. These scholars are thinking too hard. Zipporah casts the foreskin at Moses' feet and calls him a "bloody husband" simply because she is disgusted by the bloody procedure of circumcision. Many non-Hebrews who have never seen circumcision might find the procedure utterly strange, inhumane, and disgusting. The term "bloody husband" is merely Zipporah's criticism of a husband who performs an apparently strange and bloody procedure. Conclusion Verses 22-26 are summarized as follows: In verses 22-23, God tells Moses that God would kill Pharaoh's firstborn son. In verse 24, God locks his target on the firstborn son. Moses fears for the safety of his son because the son had not yet entered into a covenant relationship with God. Thus in verse 25, Zipporah circumcises her son as Moses holds him still. In verse 26, the circumcision is finished and Moses lets go of his son. In verses 25 and 26, Zipporah calls Moses a "bloody husband" because of his strange and bloody procedure of circumcision. Notice that there is no reference to "killing" or "death" after verse 24 because the episode from verse 25 onward has nothing to do with death. Read the passage again and see how simple it is. This passage is rather uneventful and straightforward if we read it properly. The difficult questions asked by scholars are easily answered, and some of them simply become irrelevant. The NIV and other translations that try to help the reader by replacing pronouns with names actually cause a stumbling block to the proper understanding of this passage. God was able to write "Moses" or "LORD" if he wanted to. But God did not. Some translations might be easier to read, but they may not be easier to understand. |
On thursday october 5 2017 Trump at a photo op together with his top military brass and their spouses in the white house... drew a semicircle in the air and asked...
You guys know what this represents ?
Maybe it's the calm before the storm... could be the calm the calm before the storm.
We have the world's great military people in this room i tell you that... and we're going to have a great evening. Thank you all for comming. Thank you.
What storm mr president ?
You'll find out.
Well i don't know if anybody found out... so i decided to find out. After all i am the code crusher... i crush codes. I rip riddles apart and bury them.
On sunday october 8 2017 fire storms began to burn california.
You know what this means ? The so called world's great military people mixed up china with california.L0L
You guys know what this represents ?
Maybe it's the calm before the storm... could be the calm the calm before the storm.
We have the world's great military people in this room i tell you that... and we're going to have a great evening. Thank you all for comming. Thank you.
What storm mr president ?
You'll find out.
Well i don't know if anybody found out... so i decided to find out. After all i am the code crusher... i crush codes. I rip riddles apart and bury them.
On sunday october 8 2017 fire storms began to burn california.
You know what this means ? The so called world's great military people mixed up china with california.L0L
Rev 17 7But the angel said to me, “Why did you wonder? I will tell you the mystery of the woman and of the beast that carries her, which has the seven heads and the ten horns.
Rev 17 9“Here is the mind which has wisdom: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits. 10There are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come. And when he comes, he must continue a short time. 11The beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to perdition.
There we have it... it's as clear as clay.
John was given a prophetic vision into the future where he saw a beast with seven heads and ten horns carrying a woman. And at that future time when the vision was given... five kings were already fallen.
The five fallen kings or rather kingdoms are Babylon MedoPersia Greece Rome and the holy Roman empire.
So John was given a vision into the future at the time when the German empire reigned that is between 1871 and 1918.
The seventh head or king(dom) would only continue a short time for that head was wounded by the sword that is war as we learn from Rev 13:3/14. And that head was the Third reich... and as the angel said the 8th king is of the 7th wounded head.
So the Script states that the Third reich will revive...
Rev 17 9“Here is the mind which has wisdom: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits. 10There are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come. And when he comes, he must continue a short time. 11The beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to perdition.
There we have it... it's as clear as clay.
John was given a prophetic vision into the future where he saw a beast with seven heads and ten horns carrying a woman. And at that future time when the vision was given... five kings were already fallen.
The five fallen kings or rather kingdoms are Babylon MedoPersia Greece Rome and the holy Roman empire.
So John was given a vision into the future at the time when the German empire reigned that is between 1871 and 1918.
The seventh head or king(dom) would only continue a short time for that head was wounded by the sword that is war as we learn from Rev 13:3/14. And that head was the Third reich... and as the angel said the 8th king is of the 7th wounded head.
So the Script states that the Third reich will revive...