Well not really, my father is my father, but we are both human beings, hence the father is God as is the son, there being is divine. But regardless my salvation doesnt require me to believe in the trinity, I simply have to faith that Jesus died for my sins.
Question
Why does the trinity somehow make this God, inherently "Wrong" or "Evil".
Problem is when I look at God and see the message of Jesus far transcend that of Islam, I find more credibility in that than, theology or doctrine. Its not a reason to build your faith on, dont even think it should be a factor but there we go.
@ both human beings
So you basically believe in 3 Gods, not ONE.
Besides, the Son is just a symbolic word with it's judaic/biblical context, used by the jewish philosopher Philo to describe the greek concept, Logos.
www.iep.utm.edu
hence The Word/Logos of God, is God's expression. It is only 'God' in the mystical sense, never in the logical sense.
If you did something and we said 'that was you', the act itself wasn't strictly speaking you, but it was your expression.
logically you and the act are seperate things, but in the mystical sense relating to the Immanence of God, it is the same.
So if you read John 1:1
'in the beginning was the Word and the Word WAS WITH GOD!!!'
this here is the logical perspective related to God's Transcendence.
'and The Word IS GOD"
this here is the mystical perspective related to God's Immanence.
In islam, understanding the use of metaphorical/symbolic language aswell as mystical utterances related to the Immanence of God, is very important, as it allows us not to take certain things literally.
For example, it is logically absurd that God is inside a tree.
YET you are able to perceive of God's Immanent manifestation inside a tree.
Moses heard God in the burning bush...of course we dont go worshipping burning bushes, yet in some places people did take the mystical/personal/subjective experience literally.
The Jews were focused too heavily on logic and debating over the rules of religion. Yet they'd closed their heart to God eg they lost personal perception of God.
That's why when Jesus came he argued using parables and mystical language
'if you have seen me you have seen God'
the jews who took this literally, didnt understand Jesus
Seeing, they might see and not perceive; and hearing, they might hear and not understand; lest ever they should turn, and they should be forgiven.
The problem is that later christians took these mystical statements literally too, but they didnt have the logical foundation of judaism eg monothiesm, as we muslims have Tawheed (theirs is similar to ours btw) and now they're lost.
the entire abrahimic tradition is centered around monothiesm.
here's an example
Jesus was called 'son of David' by the rabbis. Jesus quoted David himself vis psalm 110 eg 'even David calls me LORD'
So you christians today use 'LORD' as if it means God.
in Psalm 110 it says
THE LORD says to my lord
THE LORD is Yahweh/ADONAI
lord is Adoni
eg Jesus is adoni, but NOT Adonai. Yet you christians have never grasped this basic truth, so much so that the translations capitalised 'LORD' with regards to Jesus.
This is not a problem inherent in the core scripture, it is a problem with christian interpretations/translations.
This here is an example of how Paul refers to Jesus in his introductions
1 Paul, called to be an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, and our brother Sosthenes,
2 To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be his holy people, together with all those everywhere who call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ—their Lord and ours:
3 Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
notice Christ Jesus is seperate to God?
Sure, Paul calls him lord, but this is the same as saying 'master' eg adoni. it is perfectly okay. There are many 'lords/adonis' but only ONE God and Adonai.
The other issue is that when you cling on thinking of Jesus as God, in the literal sense, you use those mystical statements in the NT...
yet there are many that contradict it. Eg Jesus said himself that The Son doesnt know the Last hour, he can do 'nothing on his own' etc.
At least my understanding is consistent. I have a valid explanation for it that doesnt contradict anything in the bible..whereas you guys have nothing but contradictions which you willfully ignore as you deem fit, just to get by when you're discussing this with muslims.
Furthermore, the concept of Logos and it's incarnation, is entirely misunderstood. The logos concept being greek, was influenced largely from india and persia (remember the greeks conquered those lands and gained insight from them).
Look, one of the biggest influential figures behind the trinitarian doctrine, was St Augustine. He was influenced by a guy called Plotinus, who had travelled to persia where he picked up on a very similar belief to what the earlier trinity represented
here read this
en.wikipedia.org
do you know that the logos actually meant the universal consciousness? that we ALL are part of it?
it is the primordial ocean..and we are considered 'drops'.
However whilst in some belief systems they think of the universal consciousness itself as God...monothiestic religions understand that the logos/universal consciousness represents the Immanence of God as is more 'His expression' eg His Word.
it is THIS that philo described metaphorically as 'the only begotten Son of God', he wasnt talking about baby Jesus.