Shalom, yes many of us are not pleased. Zionism has been a disgrace and defamation of the Jewish people and I am solemnly saddened by the way it has politicized us into a laughing stock. I'm an Orthodox observant Jew personally, I abhor these modernists.Please watch. This was made by Orthodox Jews.. who have always opposed Zionists since their inception 100 years ago. And yes, those quotes are in Herzl's diaries, which were fully published in the 60's in English by Israelis. Then they were deemed too controversial, and are out of print. Now they just release condensed versions with the controversial stuff left out in English. He was a German nationalist. But to make sure it was real, I bought the full 5 book set from a Jewish book collector for $300. Because even my Israeli friends were shocked about this. It's all true. This is part 1. But watch ALL parts on YouTube. Btw.. YouTube is censoring this in search now. Good thing I posted it in my group on FB years ago so I can still find it.
Shalom @K'doshim. L'Shana Tova And may G-d bless your faithfulness to the Torah and justice and truth.Shalom, yes many of us are not pleased. Zionism has been a disgrace and defamation of the Jewish people and I am solemnly saddened by the way it has politicized us into a laughing stock. I'm an Orthodox observant Jew personally, I abhor these modernists.
Ever since the descent of Christ, the Jew no longer signified a member of the Kingdom of Judah (or by extension Israel). It became a theological concept, to 'one who rejected Christ'. The Jew is the enemy of Logos."I shall place thy enemies by your feet!"
So I calmed down a little.
I notice @Vixy you are quoting Torah, the passage about "blessing Israel and being blessed". Are you saying then that all of the non-Zionist and anti-Zionist Jews are interpreting Torah wrongly? Also, if you have so much respect for the Torah, I assume you don't eat pork?
Personally I'm not totally against Israel being there. Obviously they have done some terrible things, the Nakba was awful. The Palestinians are not perfect, but I would say they are more the oppressed than the oppressor, and they have been there for a long time, they didn't just settle there at time the Zionist project began. Your kind of bellicose rhetoric does absolutely nothing to help the situation, only encourages more violence and division. Your view completely lacks balance and ignores historical fact. Actually I think that even among Israelis, at least the more moderate ones, what you are saying would be considered a little extreme.
Also I'm wondering why this is in the religious forum? I don't see that fighting over which religion is the best is likely to resolve the situation. Israel is a political issue, a human rights issue. Making it about religion is what fanatics on both sides want, and they both have their wrong interpretations of scriptures to justify violence against the other side.
What you say about "undivided Israel" might be correct, Ilan Pappe suggests a one-state solution with full rights for the Palestinians.