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Israel should take William Wallace's advice:

"Lower your flags and march straight back to England (or wherever you came from), stopping at every (Palestinian)home you pass by to beg forgiveness for (almost) a hundred years of theft, r*pe, and murder.” -- Braveheart, William Wallace
 





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These are just some of the notes I have been taking while I have been trying to research the evidence to support the location we are calling Israel considering there is no evidence this location was ever known as Israel throughout history. They comprise opinions that contradict at times, but I thought someone else might be interested in the actual archeology of the area. So here are my thoughts and the references for you to investigate for yourselves.

Starting with the ugarite texts that were found in Syria in 1982 that represent original cuneiform writings. It is good to keep in mind that nothing in the Bible exists as a cuneiform original, and you would assume that this is the original form that they would be in. Where is the Old testament in the original cuneiform? It is assumed that the Ugarite texts represent evidence of the early Canaanites, which is fascinating.

The cuneiform writings of the ugarite texts are said to be the closest to what we consider Hebrew as well. They use El to refer to God and there are many similarities to the writing on these tablets and Hebrew writing.

They also include an interesting reference to a people known as Habiru. This is an article about the connection between Habiru and Hebrew by someone who describes himself as a secular Jew who was raised by Jewish progressives. https://www.newenglishreview.org/Robert_Wolfe/From_Habiru_to_Hebrews:_The_Roots_of_the_Jewish_Tradition/

It is interesting to note his comments on the response he received from progressives when he tries to present the connection that can be made between Habiru and Hebrew. The main problem that his research creates is that it contradicts some aspect of the recorded history of the Hebrews in the Bible so that people are not inclined to see his findings as evidence.

I think he makes a fantastic case. He says that the Habiru reference which is present all throughout the ancient world actually to a sort of slander in the ancient world. It is like being called a slave. The author's response to this,

"The best way of finding out how the Habiru felt about being called “Habiru” is by examining how the Hebrews felt about being called “Hebrew.” All the texts which mention the Habiru were written by others and therefore don’t reflect a Habiru point of view, but the Hebrews had ample opportunity to make their views known. And the first thing which every Biblical scholar has noticed about the way the term “Hebrew” is used in Tanach is that it is hardly used at all. In the whole of Tanach, the term “Hebrew” appears only 33 times. In the Torah, the Hebrews are almost always described as the “sons of Israel” (“b’nei Israel” in Hebrew, usually translated as “children of Israel” or “Israelites”). In the later books of Tanach other terms are used, but hardly ever “Hebrew.” "

So the scriptures seem to support the historical evidence that the term was used with negative connotations rather than the way we see the term today.

It is in this article or this one http://www.imninalu.net/Habiru.htm that discusses the wandering nature of the Habiru and how they can be found in multiple locations including southern Mesopotamia, western Arabia, Egypt, and Canaan. There was not a fixed location where these people existed.

The second article says that "What is remarkably interesting is that the ancient peoples ascribe to the Habiru a mysterious relationship with the Divinity. In Hittite documents, long lists of gods are invoked to protect the treaties. They include deities from many different regions and people. The curious nature of this invocation is illustrated by a treaty with Egypt. This list concludes with the following words: "and so on to... and the Hapiri Gods...". Significantly the Hapiru/Habiri Elohim had special mention, and although they are not identified by Name, they also could not be forgotten."

The Habiri also have a history of bondage documented by the Egyptians that would justify the account in Exodus to a certain extent.

The article about the Hyksos from the same website is also fascinating. http://www.imninalu.net/Hyksos.htm

Basically, what this means is that there was a corruption of the text in the time surrounding the second temple period so that most everything regarding the exile up through the books of Maccabees is corrupted information that is likely to be connected with the disappearance of the Phoenicians who were traders and descendants of the Canaanites.

There was a corruption, assumed identity, and forced conversion. It is recognized on Wikipedia that when the Hasmonean dynasty was able to assume power, they used this power to force conversion to Judaism, which increased the number of people identifying as Jews in the time of Christ even though these people were not descended from the group this identity originated from.

"Hyrcanus conquered Transjordan, Samaria,[65] Galilee, and Idumea (also known as Edom), and forced Idumeans to convert to Judaism:
Hyrcanus ... subdued all the Idumeans; and permitted them to stay in that country, if they would circumcise their genitals, and make use of the laws of the Jews; and they were so desirous of living in the country of their forefathers, that they submitted to the use of circumcision, (25) and of the rest of the Jewish ways of living; at which time, therefore, this befell them, that they were hereafter no other than Jews.[66]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasmonean_dynasty
There is also a book by a Israeli professor called The Invention of the Jewish People that discusses the same thing.

"Sand argues that it is likely that the ancestry of most contemporary Jews stems mainly from outside the Land of Israel and that a "nation-race" of Jews with a common origin never existed, and that just as most Christians and Muslims are the progeny of converted people, not of the first Christians and Muslims, Jews are also descended from converts. According to Sand, Judaism was original, like its two cousins, a proselytising religion, and mass conversions to Judaism occurred among the Khazars in the Caucasus, Berbertribes in North Africa, and in the Himyarite Kingdom of the Arabian Peninsula." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Invention_of_the_Jewish_People

This supports the theory that the Habiru are the true historical Israelites as they are not recorded as maintaining sovereign hold of any location in particular. The only people who have a recognized "claim" to the land we call Israel that is legitimately recorded in history were the Canaanites who are probably responsible for the corruption of the text that makes the assumption that the land belongs to the Jews.

Why would they do this? According to the Ugarite texts, they didn't really like the Habiru, which is evidenced by referring to them as Habiru, which is a form of slander.

The Habiru are also recognized within writings that can actually be considered ancient as having mystical qualities. There is a book called The Secret Society of Moses. I have not read a whole lot of it yet, but so far it is about how the genealogy of Moses is hidden and used as the foundation for the creation of secret societies.

This is an interesting point that I had not considered. The genealogy of Moses is lost in the Bible and few people question why we don't recognize the descendants of Moses in later parts of the text. It is my early prediction that this contributes to the motivation to corrupt the text in some way and this motivation persists in attempts to corrupt the text of the early church and gain control over this new group through the creation of the Catholic church.

This is an article about Josephus who is supposedly descended from a special priest class, the cult of Mithras, and the creation of the Catholic church http://www.viewzone.com/mithras.html

This would eventually lead to further corruption of the original Septuagint translation into the Masoretic text in order to control the conflict created by the early followers of Jesus by corrupting the verses pertaining to the coming of the Messiah and verses that would be considered verbatim quotes from the New Testament; so that today, we are living in bondage of thousands of years of corruption. This is what the prophecy refers to as the mystery of lawlessness that will be revealed so that all things can be restored.

Christ came to set the captive free.

Finally, I believe continuing this investigation will further prove that what we call the state of Israel is what the prophecy refers to as mystery Babylon and it will eventually fall because it has been built on multiple layers of deception that have increased to the point of creating apostacy from the message of Christ.
Bolded part....where does that leave the Crusades and or the Crusaders? Or the well-connected christian networks that have their cameras overlooking Olivet to capture the Second Advent.

On second thought, your hypothesis just might be a nice idea for Project BlueBeam and i can only imagine how Christendom will react to and adjust to the 'new developments'.
 





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Israel should take William Wallace's advice:

"Lower your flags and march straight back to England (or wherever you came from), stopping at every (Palestinian)home you pass by to beg forgiveness for (almost) a hundred years of theft, r*pe, and murder.” -- Braveheart, William Wallace
The nation is like a mighty lion;
When it is sleeping, no one dares wake it.
Whoever blesses Israel will be blessed,
And whoever curses Israel will be cursed.”


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"All these sufferings are man-made and it is within man's power to put an end to them. God helps by facing man with the results of his actions and demanding that the balance should be restored. Karma is the law that works for righteousness; it is the healing hand of God." -- Nisargadatta
 





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Bolded part....where does that leave the Crusades and or the Crusaders? Or the well-connected christian networks that have their cameras overlooking Olivet to capture the Second Advent.

On second thought, your hypothesis just might be a nice idea for Project BlueBeam and i can only imagine how Christendom will react to and adjust to the 'new developments'.
You're talking about AD. I am saying there is no evidence of ancient Israel from a BC perspective. It really seems like the Jews and the notion regarding Israel was created with the creation of the Septuagint because neither exist from a perspective prior to around 400 BC. So I am not sure how this would work as a concept for project BlueBeam since it is exactly the opposite of what people are expecting and would, therefore, create a lot more disruption than acceptance.

I highly recommend reading Sabbah Secrets of the Exodus. It is written Messod and Roger Sabbah. They are Jewish brothers who take you through all the evidence that points to references in the Old Testament originating in Egypt. They say that the archeology suggests that the story of the exodus originates with the failed economy of King Akhenaten who tried to build a Holy city that failed so he was exiled with his followers. They suggest that they lived in the land of Canaan and there is proof to suggest the area we assume to be Israel was under Egyptian control during the time that ancient Israel should have existed. They suggest that the story was changed about 600 BC, which is around the time Egypt lost control of the area to other authorities. Many Jewish sources are saying the same thing, they are just not going to be given the same kind of attention because this is actually contradictory to the narrative.

This would explain where the Septuagint came from and the consequent creation of Israel and the Jewish people. I also think that the Septuagint was based off some kind of pattern that was modeled in developing the Old Testament. There is a lady who says she had a near-death experience where she saw a mathematical pattern that resembles the Jewish star, and I think this is why Judaism was created. There are other reasons as well, but there is some sort of mystical superiority that is assumed and gives them a defense among different authorities coming in the region.



This is the pattern she says she saw, which looks a lot like the star of David. I don't think that is a coincidence or that it is a coincidence that there is such a vague description of the star of David that is given within Judaism. In Kabbalah, we can already see that the star is supposed to represent the way the temple is constructed.

The star within the temple


and the reconstruction of the Great temple of King Akhenaten



The reality is that there is more evidence of a connection between these three pictures than there is evidence of ancient Israel despite years of archeological efforts. At some point, it seems like they might even stop because the effort continues to work against them.

There is more that is buried regarding the history of the Jews than there is in the light and I don't think persecution had anything to do with the list of questions created about the Jews. They essentially seem to be a sort of secret society with no real evidence of any sort of history outside of the one they created for themselves that does not have a second external witness anywhere to be found.

So far, there is the only evidence that shows that the history of King Akhenaten's history was buried and he bears a striking resemblance to the story of Moses. Then, there were the dead sea scrolls, but thinking those are valid is taboo to most of the people who want to pride themselves on their belief system coming from a place of greater integrity and it is not looking like this is the case.
 





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You're talking about AD. I am saying there is no evidence of ancient Israel from a BC perspective. It really seems like the Jews and the notion regarding Israel was created with the creation of the Septuagint because neither exist from a perspective prior to around 400 BC. So I am not sure how this would work as a concept for project BlueBeam since it is exactly the opposite of what people are expecting and would, therefore, create a lot more disruption than acceptance.

I highly recommend reading Sabbah Secrets of the Exodus. It is written Messod and Roger Sabbah. They are Jewish brothers who take you through all the evidence that points to references in the Old Testament originating in Egypt. They say that the archeology suggests that the story of the exodus originates with the failed economy of King Akhenaten who tried to build a Holy city that failed so he was exiled with his followers. They suggest that they lived in the land of Canaan and there is proof to suggest the area we assume to be Israel was under Egyptian control during the time that ancient Israel should have existed. They suggest that the story was changed about 600 BC, which is around the time Egypt lost control of the area to other authorities. Many Jewish sources are saying the same thing, they are just not going to be given the same kind of attention because this is actually contradictory to the narrative.

This would explain where the Septuagint came from and the consequent creation of Israel and the Jewish people. I also think that the Septuagint was based off some kind of pattern that was modeled in developing the Old Testament. There is a lady who says she had a near-death experience where she saw a mathematical pattern that resembles the Jewish star, and I think this is why Judaism was created. There are other reasons as well, but there is some sort of mystical superiority that is assumed and gives them a defense among different authorities coming in the region.



This is the pattern she says she saw, which looks a lot like the star of David. I don't think that is a coincidence or that it is a coincidence that this there is such a vague description of something like this within Judaism. In Kabbalah, we can already see that the star is supposed to represent the way the temple is constructed.

The star within the temple


and the reconstruction of the Great temple of King Akhenaten



The reality is that there is more evidence of a connection between these three pictures than there is evidence of ancient Israel still despite years of archeological efforts. At some point, it seems like they might even stop because the effort continues to work against them.

There is more that is buried regarding the history of the Jews than there is in the light and I don't think persecution had anything to do with the list of questions created about the Jews. They essentially seem to be a sort of secret society with no real evidence of any sort of history outside of the one they created for themselves that does not have a second external witness anywhere to be found.

So far, there is the only evidence that shows that the history of King Akhenaten's history was buried and he bears a striking resemblance to the story of Moses. Then, there were the dead sea scrolls, but thinking those are valid is taboo to most of the people who want to pride themselves on their belief system coming from a place of greater integrity and it is not looking like this is the case.
This is a really powerful and informative post, thanks RA.
Where was this info when posters were arguing about who the Palestinians actually are and where they came from in the "War in Palestine" thread?! lol
 





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This is a really powerful and informative post, thanks RA.
Where was this info when posters were arguing about who the Palestinians actually are and where they came from in the "War in Palestine" thread?! lol
I don't know, but in the future, it is good to remember that the history of Israel that is presented in discussions like that is based entirely on the Bible as a historical source of reference and not based on any historical source outside of this.
 





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I don't know, but in the future, it is good to remember that the history of Israel that is presented in discussions like that is based entirely on the Bible as a historical source of reference and not based on any historical source outside of this.
That was my impression. I get that some people maintain an unwavering support of "Israel" based on their biblical and Torah beliefs, but if we are speaking strictly from a scientific evidence based standpoint..... lets just say I dont see how they could have posted so much in that thread that Palestinians are not and never were a "real" people and that there is no proof Palestine ever existed, with any sort of rational argument. Especially since the threads title was "War in Palestine".... but that was addressed in the thread as well lol
 





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The nation is like a mighty lion;
When it is sleeping, no one dares wake it.
Whoever blesses Israel will be blessed,
And whoever curses Israel will be cursed.”
Iam genuinely curious...The US has generously 'blessed' Israel, since its inception, to the tune of billions. Can you list atleast 10 'blessings' that God has showered onto the US for her efforts. What exactly has she gotten out that deal?

You're talking about AD. I am saying there is no evidence of ancient Israel from a BC perspective. It really seems like the Jews and the notion regarding Israel was created with the creation of the Septuagint because neither exist from a perspective prior to around 400 BC. So I am not sure how this would work as a concept for project BlueBeam since it is exactly the opposite of what people are expecting and would, therefore, create a lot more disruption than acceptance.

I highly recommend reading Sabbah Secrets of the Exodus. It is written Messod and Roger Sabbah. They are Jewish brothers who take you through all the evidence that points to references in the Old Testament originating in Egypt. They say that the archeology suggests that the story of the exodus originates with the failed economy of King Akhenaten who tried to build a Holy city that failed so he was exiled with his followers. They suggest that they lived in the land of Canaan and there is proof to suggest the area we assume to be Israel was under Egyptian control during the time that ancient Israel should have existed. They suggest that the story was changed about 600 BC, which is around the time Egypt lost control of the area to other authorities. Many Jewish sources are saying the same thing, they are just not going to be given the same kind of attention because this is actually contradictory to the narrative.

This would explain where the Septuagint came from and the consequent creation of Israel and the Jewish people. I also think that the Septuagint was based off some kind of pattern that was modeled in developing the Old Testament. There is a lady who says she had a near-death experience where she saw a mathematical pattern that resembles the Jewish star, and I think this is why Judaism was created. There are other reasons as well, but there is some sort of mystical superiority that is assumed and gives them a defense among different authorities coming in the region.



This is the pattern she says she saw, which looks a lot like the star of David. I don't think that is a coincidence or that it is a coincidence that there is such a vague description of the star of David that is given within Judaism. In Kabbalah, we can already see that the star is supposed to represent the way the temple is constructed.

The star within the temple


and the reconstruction of the Great temple of King Akhenaten



The reality is that there is more evidence of a connection between these three pictures than there is evidence of ancient Israel despite years of archeological efforts. At some point, it seems like they might even stop because the effort continues to work against them.

There is more that is buried regarding the history of the Jews than there is in the light and I don't think persecution had anything to do with the list of questions created about the Jews. They essentially seem to be a sort of secret society with no real evidence of any sort of history outside of the one they created for themselves that does not have a second external witness anywhere to be found.

So far, there is the only evidence that shows that the history of King Akhenaten's history was buried and he bears a striking resemblance to the story of Moses. Then, there were the dead sea scrolls, but thinking those are valid is taboo to most of the people who want to pride themselves on their belief system coming from a place of greater integrity and it is not looking like this is the case.
This would require re-examining all the history and ancient peoples that have been connected to Jewish history. Not just the Ishmaelites, or the descendants of Esau. Alot of stuff would have to be thrown out. An example would be this
Siege of Jerusalem (587 BC)
 





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The US has generously 'blessed' Israel.. Can you list atleast 10 'blessings' that God has showered onto the US for her efforts. What exactly has she gotten out that deal?
Loss of faith in God?
Breakdown of family structure?
Normalization of mass shootings?

But those are the opposite of "blessings"... maybe more like curses
 





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Iam genuinely curious...The US has generously 'blessed' Israel, since its inception, to the tune of billions. Can you list atleast 10 'blessings' that God has showered onto the US for her efforts. What exactly has she gotten out that deal?


This would require re-examining all the history and ancient peoples that have been connected to Jewish history. Not just the Ishmaelites, or the descendants of Esau. Alot of stuff would have to be thrown out. An example would be this
Siege of Jerusalem (587 BC)
Well yes and no. In reality, it doesn't require reevaluating ancient peoples and history because ancient people and history have been saying the same thing all along. What we would need to do is reevaluate the way we are interpreting information because we have been considering the Bible to be an accurate presentation of history.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing the link that you are recommending to me. I would like to point out how there are no external sources to reevaluate regarding this event. This whole account that is considered history is solely taken from the Biblical account or a published study of the Biblical account, as many similar articles are. Therefore, reevaluation of ancient peoples connected to Jewish history is necessary because they have essentially been excluded from the way history has been recorded up to this point.

The only reference in this article that is not taken from the Bible is the Nebuchadnezzar Chronicle and if you click on this link for more information, you will see that this chronicle never mentions the name of the king of Israel during the time of the siege and only vaguely makes a reference that you could assume was intended to mean Judah.

In some ways, this absence of recognition supports the theory presented by Israel Finklestein and Neil Asher Silberman in their book David and Solomon: In Search of the Bible's Sacred Kings and the Roots of the Western Tradition. In this book, they suggest that archeological evidence only supports the possibility that Israel was a much smaller kingdom than we would imagine. Therefore, neglecting to the name the king in the Nebuchadnezzar Chronicle suggests that this king was not well known and that this was not a large and well-known kingdom the way it is described in scripture.

You could follow this by trying to support that this is somehow irrelevant because of stories like the ones from the book of Judges or the story of David and Goliath. You could say that being a small kingdom makes sense in some way according to this information. However, accepting this would still require reshaping the ways these stories are absorbed spiritually. Without the grandeur attributed to Solomon, there will be changes in the ways the Bible influences history in the future.

In addition to this, even using this to defend the small scale that is demonstrated in The Nebuchadnezzar Chronicles and demonstrated by the archeological evidence available, this will still mean that large portions of the Bible are not historically accurate. Solomon was never widely known for his wealth because there is no external reference to this anywhere outside of the Bible. This is a fact that is admitted on more than one occasion in the book by Finklestein and Silberman. So like I was saying, we don't really need to reexamine the history of ancient people that were external to Israel. These references basically have never been examined in the first place.

This is a partial direct quote from the book by Finklestein and Silberman that I have summarized briefly already in my response. I have bolded the most significant section.

The early history of Greece can now be told without resort to the mythic biographies of Minos, Theseus, or Agamemnon as primary sources. The rise of the Egyptian and Mesopotamian civilizations can be understood through inscriptions, potsherds, and settlement patterns rather than simply in tales of ancient wonders and semidivine kings. The discrepancies between art and literature, on the one hand, and

documented, verifiable history and archaeological evidence, on the other, have made us see the founder myths of antiquity for what they are: shared expressions of ancient communal identity, told with great power and insight, still interesting and worthy of study, but certainly not to be taken as literal, credible records of events.

Such is the case with David and Solomon, who are depicted in the biblical narrative as founding fathers of the ancient Israelite state. Yet we can now say—as we will argue in considerable detail throughout this book—that many of the famous episodes in the biblical story of David and Solomon are fictions, historically questionable, or highly exaggerated.

In the following chapters we will present archaeological evidence to show that there was no united monarchy of Israel in the way that the Bible describes it. Although it seems probable that David and Solomon were actual historical characters, they were very different from their scriptural portraits. We will show that it is highly unlikely that David ever conquered territories of peoples more than a day or two’s march from the heartland of Judah. We will suggest that Solomon’s Jerusalem was neither extensive nor impressive, but rather the rough hill-top stronghold of a local dynasty of rustic tribal chiefs.

Yet the point of this book is not simply to debunk stories from the Bible. Alone among the great legends of Near Eastern and classical antiquity, the Bible retains its power to inspire hopes and dreams for living communities around the world even today. Our goal is to show how the legends of David and Solomon developed, and how they came to guide western thinking and shape western religious and political traditions in important ways.
I bolded the last part because I think this is a reasonable goal for the future of our faith. What we basically have right now is a function that creates the pattern. The Bible is the function. Reading the Bible is like the input and the change it creates is the output that creates this pattern. So essentially, we could hypothetically determine the shape that is being created by the Bible. Does it create a parabola? Does this create a wave pattern?

If we did this, I think what we would see is that what the Bible creates is a pattern of division. We are divided over different versions of the Bible. We are divided over different verses. We are divided over different prophecies. So for as many ways as this creates an effective method to pattern society in a certain way, it is still just about as effective as trying to find the area of a circle using the Archimedes method.

So I hope you will bear with me while I compare the Bible to this image of trying to find the area of a circle using the Archimedes method.



So our understanding of spiritual things is similar to the veiled understanding Archimedes had of pi long ago. Consequently, archeology is essentially the same thing as being able to find the area of a circle the way we are familiar with today, and using this could create a new pattern that could better facilitate following the teachings of Christ for one very significant reason, and this is the struggle with doubt. Living by faith means wrestling with doubt. Wrestling with doubt means wrestling with fear and you can hear this fear on a board like this frequently for an example. I am not saying that you should not have faith or don't need faith. What I am saying is similar to the arguments we are familiar with about faith and works. There is a combined effect that is lacking without historical evidence that is creating doubt that causes many people to stumble.

This is demonstrated by the division that is present throughout the church. Something is creating this division. Something is making it easy to use curse words like I see people who say they are Christians using. Something makes it easy to basically tell people they are going to hell on a regular occasion and justify this by using different words to describe the same phenomenon like saying "you aren't born again" or "you aren't saved" or "you aren't really a Christian". Something is creating these problems no matter how we try to use the teachings of Christ to find the fruit of the Spirit using the same method we claim to agree is the valid source to use.

I would just like you to consider what I am saying in light of Hebrew 8:11 "And each person will not teach his fellow citizen, and each his brother, saying, "Know the Lord," because they will all know Me, from the least to the greatest of them."

The biggest problem that is facing the church today is the assumption that each person makes when they read this verse and assume that they know how this will look in reality. Then, they will use this assumption to justify rejecting the things that could make something like this possible in theory.

We are within a few years of being able to prove that the Bible is not historically accurate, the only question is what will the church do with this information in the future. I am not optimistic. If any part of this is beneficial to something like operation Bluebeam, it will be to use something like this to continue injecting artificial history because of the absence of validation from archeological efforts. That is what the church wants. They want signs and wonders to prove the Bible when archeology can't. That is a recipe for disaster. Belief is God is not the absence of common sense.
 





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Well yes and no. In reality, it doesn't require reevaluating ancient peoples and history because ancient people and history have been saying the same thing all along. What we would need to do is reevaluate the way we are interpreting information because we have been considering the Bible to be an accurate presentation of history.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing the link that you are recommending to me. I would like to point out how there are no external sources to reevaluate regarding this event. This whole account that is considered history is solely taken from the Biblical account or a published study of the Biblical account, as many similar articles are. Therefore, reevaluation of ancient peoples connected to Jewish history is necessary because they have essentially been excluded from the way history has been recorded up to this point.

The only reference in this article that is not taken from the Bible is the Nebuchadnezzar Chronicle and if you click on this link for more information, you will see that this chronicle never mentions the name of the king of Israel during the time of the siege and only vaguely makes a reference that you could assume was intended to mean Judah.

In some ways, this absence of recognition supports the theory presented by Israel Finklestein and Neil Asher Silberman in their book David and Solomon: In Search of the Bible's Sacred Kings and the Roots of the Western Tradition. In this book, they suggest that archeological evidence only supports the possibility that Israel was a much smaller kingdom than we would imagine. Therefore, neglecting to the name the king in the Nebuchadnezzar Chronicle suggests that this king was not well known and that this was not a large and well-known kingdom the way it is described in scripture.

You could follow this by trying to support that this is somehow irrelevant because of stories like the ones from the book of Judges or the story of David and Goliath. You could say that being a small kingdom makes sense in some way according to this information. However, accepting this would still require reshaping the ways these stories are absorbed spiritually. Without the grandeur attributed to Solomon, there will be changes in the ways the Bible influences history in the future.

In addition to this, even using this to defend the small scale that is demonstrated in The Nebuchadnezzar Chronicles and demonstrated by the archeological evidence available, this will still mean that large portions of the Bible are not historically accurate. Solomon was never widely known for his wealth because there is no external reference to this anywhere outside of the Bible. This is a fact that is admitted on more than one occasion in the book by Finklestein and Silberman. So like I was saying, we don't really need to reexamine the history of ancient people that were external to Israel. These references basically have never been examined in the first place.

This is a partial direct quote from the book by Finklestein and Silberman that I have summarized briefly already in my response. I have bolded the most significant section.



I bolded the last part because I think this is a reasonable goal for the future of our faith. What we basically have right now is a function that creates the pattern. The Bible is the function. Reading the Bible is like the input and the change it creates is the output that creates this pattern. So essentially, we could hypothetically determine the shape that is being created by the Bible. Does it create a parabola? Does this create a wave pattern?

If we did this, I think what we would see is that what the Bible creates is a pattern of division. We are divided over different versions of the Bible. We are divided over different verses. We are divided over different prophecies. So for as many ways as this creates an effective method to pattern society in a certain way, it is still just about as effective as trying to find the area of a circle using the Archimedes method.

So I hope you will bear with me while I compare the Bible to this image of trying to find the area of a circle using the Archimedes method.



So our understanding of spiritual things is similar to the veiled understanding Archimedes had of pi long ago. Consequently, archeology is essentially the same thing as being able to find the area of a circle the way we are familiar with today, and using this could create a new pattern that could better facilitate following the teachings of Christ for one very significant reason, and this is the struggle with doubt. Living by faith means wrestling with doubt. Wrestling with doubt means wrestling with fear and you can hear this fear on a board like this frequently for an example. I am not saying that you should not have faith or don't need faith. What I am saying is similar to the arguments we are familiar with about faith and works. There is a combined effect that is lacking without historical evidence that is creating doubt that causes many people to stumble.

This is demonstrated by the division that is present throughout the church. Something is creating this division. Something is making it easy to use curse words like I see people who say they are Christians using. Something makes it easy to basically tell people they are going to hell on a regular occasion and justify this by using different words to describe the same phenomenon like saying "you aren't born again" or "you aren't saved" or "you aren't really a Christian". Something is creating these problems no matter how we try to use the teachings of Christ to find the fruit of the Spirit using the same method we claim to agree is the valid source to use.

I would just like you to consider what I am saying in light of Hebrew 8:11 "And each person will not teach his fellow citizen, and each his brother, saying, "Know the Lord," because they will all know Me, from the least to the greatest of them."

The biggest problem that is facing the church today is the assumption that each person makes when they read this verse and assume that they know how this will look in reality. Then, they will use this assumption to justify rejecting the things that could make something like this possible in theory.

We are within a few years of being able to prove that the Bible is not historically accurate, the only question is what will the church do with this information in the future. I am not optimistic. If any part of this is beneficial to something like operation Bluebeam, it will be to use something like this to continue injecting artificial history because of the absence of validation from archeological efforts. That is what the church wants. They want signs and wonders to prove the Bible when archeology can't. That is a recipe for disaster. Belief is God is not the absence of common sense.
Well, I think the bible’s historicity is very important and it lends credibility to the text as a whole. If its historically inaccurate, the next logical question is, what else isn’t accurate? The beauty of the bible is that it’s a unit made up of many books and if you discredit one part, you inevitably or inadvertently find yourself discrediting other parts. An example would be the argument that Luke, the author of Acts and companion of Paul, may have embellished certain aspects of Paul’s life. Therefore, if someone clings to that argument, it inadvertently puts the gospel of Luke into doubt because if Acts contains fabrications why would his gospel account be devoid of them? Not stopping there, since the gospels mirror each other, one ends up not only doubting Luke’s account but the other three accounts aswell.

Another example would be the prophecies. Micah 5:1-3 listed the place that would become Christ’s hometown. Now, if you say that the Jerusalem of 1-33A.D wasn’t the same as that of the Davidic era, what gives? Your exact words: ”I am saying there is no evidence of ancient Israel from a BC perspective.” Therefore, if you are fully convinced of your hypothesis then you cannot accept those prophecies because it simply doesn’t make any sense and it doesn’t stop there. If you doubt the old oracles, what reason do you have to believe the ones relating to the future?

I also think that the book you mentioned, from which you also quoted, is attempting to do what HolyBlood HolyGrail was attempting to do. These are precarious times and there are forces moving to discredit Scripture from every possible angle. We talked about it in another thread, that when Dan Brown’s book came out in 2006, a couple years later a Havard professor was ‘gifted’ with a parchment that seemed to prove Brown’s fictional account and it wouldn’t surprise me at all if ‘evidence’ was found to prove Finklestein & Silberman’s assertion.

Your thoughts have actually given me a window into what to expect should project Bluebeam be activated, if its going to play out the way we’ve been told. Just to recap:

"The first step in the NASA Blue Beam Project concerns the breakdown [re- evaluation] of all archaeological knowledge. It deals with the set-up, with artificially created earthquakes at certain precise locations on the planet, of supposedly new discoveries which will finally explain to all people the "error" of all fundamental religious doctrines. What is important to understand in the first step is that those earthquakes will hit at different parts of the world where scientific and archaeological teachings have indicated that arcane mysteries have been buried. By those types of earthquakes, it will be possible for scientists to rediscover those arcane mysteries which will be used to discredit all fundamental religious doctrines. This is the first preparation for the plan for humanity because what they want to do is destroy the beliefs of all Christians and Muslims on the planet. To do that, they need some false 'proof' from the far past that will prove to all nations that their religions have all been misinterpreted and misunderstood."

All who value their eternal interests should be on their guard against the inroads of skepticism. The very pillars of truth will be assailed. It is impossible to keep beyond the reach of the sarcasms and sophisms, the insidious and pestilent teachings, of modern infidelity. Satan adapts his temptations to all classes. He assails the illiterate with a jest or sneer, while he meets the educated with scientific objections and philosophical reasoning, alike calculated to excite distrust or contempt of the Scriptures. Even youth of little experience presume to insinuate doubts concerning the fundamental principles of Christianity.

So, something's coming and its going to knock our socks off. We may not have the nitty gritty details but it is coming and if its going to play out exactly like that ^^, you can be sure that they've already gotten the ball rolling, like Finklestein's book, to ease us into what's up ahead.
If iam not settled into what i have now, i will as soon become flotsam and jetsam, spiritually, because when that day comes, the world's best papyrologists will be paraded and the societies to which they belong will altogether affirm the 'proof'. If iam anchorless now, how will i deny the evidence of the senses? For me to deny those discoveries, i will have to maintain an unshakeable faith in the bible as it currently is.
 





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Well, I think the bible’s historicity is very important and it lends credibility to the text as a whole. If its historically inaccurate, the next logical question is, what else isn’t accurate? The beauty of the bible is that it’s a unit made up of many books and if you discredit one part, you inevitably or inadvertently find yourself discrediting other parts. An example would be the argument that Luke, the author of Acts and companion of Paul, may have embellished certain aspects of Paul’s life. Therefore, if someone clings to that argument, it inadvertently puts the gospel of Luke into doubt because if Acts contains fabrications why would his gospel account be devoid of them? Not stopping there, since the gospels mirror each other, one ends up not only doubting Luke’s account but the other three accounts aswell.

Another example would be the prophecies. Micah 5:1-3 listed the place that would become Christ’s hometown. Now, if you say that the Jerusalem of 1-33A.D wasn’t the same as that of the Davidic era, what gives? Your exact words: ”I am saying there is no evidence of ancient Israel from a BC perspective.” Therefore, if you are fully convinced of your hypothesis then you cannot accept those prophecies because it simply doesn’t make any sense and it doesn’t stop there. If you doubt the old oracles, what reason do you have to believe the ones relating to the future?

I also think that the book you mentioned, from which you also quoted, is attempting to do what HolyBlood HolyGrail was attempting to do. These are precarious times and there are forces moving to discredit Scripture from every possible angle. We talked about it in another thread, that when Dan Brown’s book came out in 2006, a couple years later a Havard professor was ‘gifted’ with a parchment that seemed to prove Brown’s fictional account and it wouldn’t surprise me at all if ‘evidence’ was found to prove Finklestein & Silberman’s assertion.

Your thoughts have actually given me a window into what to expect should project Bluebeam be activated, if its going to play out the way we’ve been told. Just to recap:

"The first step in the NASA Blue Beam Project concerns the breakdown [re- evaluation] of all archaeological knowledge. It deals with the set-up, with artificially created earthquakes at certain precise locations on the planet, of supposedly new discoveries which will finally explain to all people the "error" of all fundamental religious doctrines. What is important to understand in the first step is that those earthquakes will hit at different parts of the world where scientific and archaeological teachings have indicated that arcane mysteries have been buried. By those types of earthquakes, it will be possible for scientists to rediscover those arcane mysteries which will be used to discredit all fundamental religious doctrines. This is the first preparation for the plan for humanity because what they want to do is destroy the beliefs of all Christians and Muslims on the planet. To do that, they need some false 'proof' from the far past that will prove to all nations that their religions have all been misinterpreted and misunderstood."

All who value their eternal interests should be on their guard against the inroads of skepticism. The very pillars of truth will be assailed. It is impossible to keep beyond the reach of the sarcasms and sophisms, the insidious and pestilent teachings, of modern infidelity. Satan adapts his temptations to all classes. He assails the illiterate with a jest or sneer, while he meets the educated with scientific objections and philosophical reasoning, alike calculated to excite distrust or contempt of the Scriptures. Even youth of little experience presume to insinuate doubts concerning the fundamental principles of Christianity.

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So, something's coming and its going to knock our socks off. We may not have the nitty gritty details but it is coming and if its going to play out exactly like that ^^, you can be sure that they've already gotten the ball rolling, like Finklestein's book, to ease us into what's up ahead.
If iam not settled into what i have now, i will as soon become flotsam and jetsam, spiritually, because when that day comes, the world's best papyrologists will be paraded and the societies to which they belong will altogether affirm the 'proof'. If iam anchorless now, how will i deny the evidence of the senses? For me to deny those discoveries, i will have to maintain an unshakeable faith in the bible as it currently is.
This post should have at least 20 likes, by now.

This is really what it's all about-- and it's bigger than any country, nationality or tradition. It is where we draw a line in the sand, name our g/God, and choose a side.

@Karlysymon yet again-- well said, well done.

 





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This post should have at least 20 likes, by now.

This is really what it's all about-- and it's bigger than any country, nationality or tradition. It is where we draw a line in the sand, name our g/God, and choose a side.

@Karlysymon yet again-- well said, well done.

Your post was funny, but thanks. To be honest, i'm scared. All the conversations we've had on here, about Paul, the Trinity, you name it...are going to meet us again when that^^ happens. How are we going to react when confronted with "evidence" that our eyes can't deny. What if the Vatican throws open its vault doors and presents to the world some "long-lost documents" that will turn our world upside down? When that happens, it will take some really incredible faith to stand by the Bible as it is, regardless of how many scholars and researchers that say otherwise because i believe that our decision regarding the coming revelations will have eternal consequences.
 





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Your post was funny, but thanks. To be honest, i'm scared. All the conversations we've had on here, about Paul, the Trinity, you name it...are going to meet us again when that^^ happens. How are we going to react when confronted with "evidence" that our eyes can't deny. What if the Vatican throws open its vault doors and presents to the world some "long-lost documents" that will turn our world upside down? When that happens, it will take some really incredible faith to stand by the Bible as it is, regardless of how many scholars and researchers that say otherwise because i believe that our decision regarding the coming revelations will have eternal consequences.
I just started reading this book and you might fight it interesting.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Transmigration_of_Timothy_Archer

“Set in the late 1960s and 1970s, the story describes the efforts of Episcopal Bishop Timothy Archer, who must cope with the theological and philosophical implications of the newly discovered Gnostic Zadokite scroll fragments.”
 





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I just started reading this book and you might fight it interesting.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Transmigration_of_Timothy_Archer

“Set in the late 1960s and 1970s, the story describes the efforts of Episcopal Bishop Timothy Archer, who must cope with the theological and philosophical implications of the newly discovered Gnostic Zadokite scroll fragments.”
I like this ^! You know why? Because, again, to me its a window into what's likely to come. First off, it was written by Phillip K. Dick. As you are well aware, the movie Minority Report (predictive programming, proper) was based on his work. Here we are, 15+yrs after the movie's release and we are living in a Minority Report world.
https://www.activistpost.com/2013/08/10-signs-we-live-in-minority-report.html

Tim is already being investigated for his allegedly heretical views about the Holy Ghost....Tim travels to Israel to investigate whether or not a psychotropic mushroom was associated with the resurrection
Iam curious though....what will your reaction be when all this comes to pass? Will you finally feel vindicated, as in your beliefs, and that us Christians had been so duped, having believed a gigantic lie (bible's historicity) all along? Even better, how do you think you will react when an other-worldly being appears in the skies and vindicates/corroborates the 'recent discoveries'? How will you be able to tell the difference between what's true and what's false? Between the PTB's psyops and an other worldly being?

http://washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/dotmil/arkin020199.htm
"But the "strategic" PSYOPS scheming didn't die. What if the U.S. projected a holographic image of Allah floating over Baghdad urging the Iraqi people and Army to rise up against Saddam, a senior Air Force officer asked in 1990?"

[Note:I just mentioned the movie "Adjustment Bureau" in another thread and i had no idea it was based on his work, until just now].