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There is no Israel today, in God's eyes. They were set aside, for disbelief, in Acts 28:28, when the Salvation of God (Jesus Christ) was taken from them and given to us Gentiles. With no temple, they can't keep the Law and, without keeping the law, it's impossible for them to be God's people. They are Loammi, not My people, Hosea 1:9. Their present state is spelled out in Hosea 3:4. They will be back after 2days, 2000 years, about 2064. Hosea 6:2.

For the 2000 years from Gen 12 through Acts, it was ALL Israel, with the Gentiles as filthy dogs. That 2000 years had the purpose of eventually filling the New Earth and the all-Israel New Jerusalem (where each tribe has their own gate) with Jewish saints

When Israel was set aside in 64AD, a new all-Gentile church was formed, The church is found only in Paul's 7 post-Acts epistles. We Gentiles today are the only people in the Bible to be called to spend eternity in the Highest Heaven (Eph 2:6), where Christ now sits at the right hand of God (Eph 1:20).. Today is the Gentiles 2000 year period whose purpose is to fill Heaven with only Gentile Saints. Jews today are just anither nation, Gentiles, and, to get saved, they must believe in the death, burial, and resurrection, just like us Gentiles. However, if they believe in Christ as Savior, they can go to the Highest Heaven. That option ends in about 2064.
 





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Hosea 3:3-5 could not be more plain:-

3 And I said to her, “You shall stay with me many days; you shall not play the harlot, nor shall you have a man—so, too, will I be toward you.”
4 For the children of Israel shall abide many days without king or prince, without sacrifice or sacred pillar, without ephod or teraphim.
5 Afterward the children of Israel shall return and seek the Lord their God and David their king. They shall fear the Lord and His goodness in the latter days.
Very Good. That present situation is the result of Israel becoming Loammi, Not My People (Hosea 1:9), in 64AD, when the Salvation of God (Jesus Christ) was taken from them and given to the Gentiles (Acts 28:28). Hosea 6:2 says they will be back after 2 days - 2000years - 2064.

Hosea 1:9
Then said God, Call his name Loammi: for ye are not my people, and I will not be your God.
Hosea 6:2
After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.
 





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I didn't want to start a fire, but it's after Shabbat now.

The whole house of Israel being reunited is prophesied in Scripture, so their day isn't over yet. I'm not talking about the nation-state or the nation itself, but about the Torah following/pursuant lovers of YHVH. Please don't believe all that anti-Semitic replacement theology. Israel (the lovers of YHVH there) still matters. To deny that is to deny the lovingkindness of God. He doesn't give up on His people. Can He not graft in the formerly cut off branches? (Romans 11).

https://hoshanarabbah.org/blog/2012/06/02/the-reunification-of-israel-the-return-of-the-messiah/

Ezekiel 37:15-23 Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)
The Reunification of Israel
15 The word of the Lord came to me: 16 “Son of man, take a single stick and write on it: Belonging to Judah and the Israelites associated with him. Then take another stick and write on it: Belonging to Joseph—the stick of Ephraim—and all the house of Israel associated with him. 17 Then join them together into a single stick so that they become one in your hand. 18 When your people ask you, ‘Won’t you explain to us what you mean by these things?’— 19 tell them: This is what the Lord God says: I am going to take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel associated with him, and put them together with the stick of Judah. I will make them into a single stick so that they become one in My hand.

20 “When the sticks you have written on are in your hand and in full view of the people, 21 tell them: This is what the Lord God says: I am going to take the Israelites out of the nations where they have gone. I will gather them from all around and bring them into their own land. 22 I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel, and one king will rule over all of them. They will no longer be two nations and will no longer be divided into two kingdoms. 23 They will not defile themselves anymore with their idols, their detestable things, and all their transgressions. I will save them from all their apostasies by which[a] they sinned, and I will cleanse them. Then they will be My people, and I will be their God.
Footnotes:
  1. Ezekiel 37:23 Some Hb mss, LXX, Sym; other Hb mss read their settlements where

Has this happened yet? No. Is this prophecy still yet to be fulfilled? Yes.

I'd be, you'd be, we'd all be a dead branch if not grafted in by God.
 





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The ten horns or kings will reign in the great tribulation at the end of the age.

that's a different context to the prophecy in Daniel 7 which was about ancient roman empire and the 10 emperors of rome who ruled over the jewish nation/temple until Titus (the little horn) destroyed the temple. It matches right down to the 'year of 4 emperors' where it says one will uproot 3. However that era, was the 'legs of iron' in the Daniel 2 image.
The Revelation prophecies do have some similarities, but that's because this system will be the feet of iron and clay (again from Daniel 2), the 10 toes representing the 10 parts each under the control of a horn.

What im contending with is how you took the prophecy from Daniel 7 and applied it to future context when as i have explained they are 2 different, but connects systems. The legs of iron=roman empire at the time of Jesus/the second temple era. The feet of iron/clay, the future global system.
The fourth beast in Daniel 7 and the first beast in Revelation 13 are one and the same. It is a revived Roman empire in the line of the Holy Roman empire the German empire and the Third Reich. In other words there will be a Fourth Reich which is really a revived Third Reich which was a shortlived revived German empire which was the continuation of the Holy Roman empire which was a revived Roman empire.

The three beasts in Daniel 7 which would lose their empires but live on is Britain the lion and Russia the bear and Germany the leopard.

And the little horn is specifically the Fourth Reich or more precise the revived Third Reich.



https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Zechariah+5&version=NIV
5 I looked again, and there before me was a flying scroll.

2 He asked me, “What do you see?”

I answered, “I see a flying scroll, twenty cubits long and ten cubits wide.[a]”

3 And he said to me, “This is the curse that is going out over the whole land; for according to what it says on one side, every thief will be banished, and according to what it says on the other, everyone who swears falsely will be banished. 4 The Lord Almighty declares, ‘I will send it out, and it will enter the house of the thief and the house of anyone who swears falsely by my name. It will remain in that house and destroy it completely, both its timbers and its stones.’

you have written
"This is their resemblance/aspect in/through(out) all the land/earth."

now explain to me, how any of this, whichever translation is used...somehow means a nuclear weapon?

every thief will be banished, and according to what it says on the other, everyone who swears falsely will be banished. 4 The Lord Almighty declares, ‘I will send it out, and it will enter the house of the thief and the house of anyone who swears falsely by my name. It will remain in that house and destroy it completely, both its timbers and its stones.’

The dimensions of that flying (sc)roll is the same as a submarine launched ballistic missile and the nuclear warhead is described as a fire within the metal in a basket or container of about 30 liters.

So we can understand from Zechariah 5 that God will use nukes to destroy thieves and perjurers together with their houses.

That is of course terrible but who wants to quarrel with God about what He ought to do or not ?

When He has said and let it be written down we can expect a nuclear war with about 100% certainty.



it's nice that you acknowledged the truth that the jews once had a jewish homeland in the 7th century that failed, so why is it messianic this time round and not then? because this time the jews are your allies against islam
God has a timeline... and it's time.
 





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The fourth beast in Daniel 7 and the first beast in Revelation 13 are one and the same. It is a revived Roman empire in the line of the Holy Roman empire the German empire and the Third Reich. In other words there will be a Fourth Reich which is really a revived Third Reich which was a shortlived revived German empire which was the continuation of the Holy Roman empire which was a revived Roman empire.

The three beasts in Daniel 7 which would lose their empires but live on is Britain the lion and Russia the bear and Germany the leopard.

And the little horn is specifically the Fourth Reich or more precise the revived Third Reich.




The dimensions of that flying (sc)roll is the same as a submarine launched ballistic missile and the nuclear warhead is described as a fire within the metal in a basket or container of about 30 liters.

So we can understand from Zechariah 5 that God will use nukes to destroy thieves and perjurers together with their houses.

That is of course terrible but who wants to quarrel with God about what He ought to do or not ?

When He has said and let it be written down we can expect a nuclear war with about 100% certainty.




God has a timeline... and it's time.

The fourth beast in Daniel 7 and the first beast in Revelation 13 are one and the same.

The 4 beasts, had one thing in common, they ruled over Jerusalem and more specifically the temple mount.
That doesnt apply to the german 'holy roman empire'


The three beasts in Daniel 7 which would lose their empires but live on is Britain the lion and Russia the bear and Germany the leopard.

jesus christ man, can you please tone down the american? i lose brain cells reading your posts.
Again the 4 beasts all ruled jerusalem/the jewish people and the holy temple.
Everyone already knows they were Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome.
Even still let me entertain this dumb logic of yours

So britain is the 1st beast, russia the 2nd, germany the 3rd and the 4th is the HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE??
that doesnt correlate with real history at all.
Besides all 4 beasts were also described in the Image in Daniel 2, in that chapter, the image was also explained.

Daniel 2
39 “After you, another kingdom will arise, inferior to yours. Next, a third kingdom, one of bronze, will rule over the whole earth. 40 Finally, there will be a fourth kingdom, strong as iron—for iron breaks and smashes everything—and as iron breaks things to pieces, so it will crush and break all the others. 41 Just as you saw that the feet and toes were partly of baked clay and partly of iron, so this will be a divided kingdom; yet it will have some of the strength of iron in it, even as you saw iron mixed with clay. 42 As the toes were partly iron and partly clay, so this kingdom will be partly strong and partly brittle. 43 And just as you saw the iron mixed with baked clay, so the people will be a mixture and will not remain united, any more than iron mixes with clay.

ie the head of hold represented Babylon, the 1st beast.
According to you this is britain. You are dumb beyond belief.



The dimensions of that flying (sc)roll is the same as a submarine launched ballistic missile and the nuclear warhead is described as a fire within the metal in a basket or container of about 30 liters.



The flying scroll
I answered, “I see a flying scroll, twenty cubits long and ten cubits wide
That is, about 30 feet long and 15 feet wide or about 9 meters long and 4.5 meters wide

Typhoon Class submarines have a length of 175m, beam of 23m and draught of 12m
yeh way to go making shit up you dopey twat.


So we can understand from Zechariah 5 that God will use nukes to destroy thieves and perjurers together with their houses.

lmfao
wow
God will drop nukes, but only on the houses of the wicked...so if you've been a good boy, you won't be harmed by a nuke destroying an entire city, nor will nuclear radiation harm you.

and since you actually believe God is a man called Jesus...you believe he will drop nukes.
of course that contradicts

'Not by might nor by power, but by My Spirit,' saith the Lord of hosts.
 





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The three beasts in Daniel 7 which would lose their empires but live on is Britain the lion and Russia the bear and Germany the leopard.

jesus christ man, can you please tone down the american? i lose brain cells reading your posts.
Again the 4 beasts all ruled jerusalem/the jewish people and the holy temple.
Everyone already knows they were Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome.
Even still let me entertain this dumb logic of yours

So britain is the 1st beast, russia the 2nd, germany the 3rd and the 4th is the HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE??
that doesnt correlate with real history at all.
Besides all 4 beasts were also described in the Image in Daniel 2, in that chapter, the image was also explained.
Nebuchadnezzar's great statue dream represent Babylon as the head of gold and MedoPersia as the chest of silver and Greece as the hips of bronze and Rome as the legs of iron.

The legs are long and the Roman empire was revived as the Holy Roman empire which was revived as the German empire and for a short time before being mortally wounded in war the Third Reich. There will be a Fourth Reich.

Now the composition of the Fourth Reich or revived Third Reich will also include Britain the lion and Russia the bear. And that is understandable as they all share the same Royal family. Behind the scenes out of sight the real rulers of nations are the blue bloods... as it always was.

The ten toes or horns or kings without kingdoms are perhaps heirs of royals who lost their kingdoms after WW1/2 and are working with the composite end time beast to reclaim their inheritance.



The dimensions of that flying (sc)roll is the same as a submarine launched ballistic missile and the nuclear warhead is described as a fire within the metal in a basket or container of about 30 liters.
The flying scroll
I answered, “I see a flying scroll, twenty cubits long and ten cubits wide
That is, about 30 feet long and 15 feet wide or about 9 meters long and 4.5 meters wide

Typhoon Class submarines have a length of 175m, beam of 23m and draught of 12m
yeh way to go making shit up you dopey twat.
I take it by the way you talk that you don't want any part of the kingdom of God.

You need to watch your filthy mouth man and start to floor those knees in repentance.

I am not talking about a submarine but a submarine launched ballistic missile.



So we can understand from Zechariah 5 that God will use nukes to destroy thieves and perjurers together with their houses.
lmfao
wow
God will drop nukes, but only on the houses of the wicked...so if you've been a good boy, you won't be harmed by a nuke destroying an entire city, nor will nuclear radiation harm you.
That's right.
 





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Nebuchadnezzar's great statue dream represent Babylon as the head of gold and MedoPersia as the chest of silver and Greece as the hips of bronze and Rome as the legs of iron.

The legs are long and the Roman empire was revived as the Holy Roman empire which was revived as the German empire and for a short time before being mortally wounded in war the Third Reich. There will be a Fourth Reich.

Now the composition of the Fourth Reich or revived Third Reich will also include Britain the lion and Russia the bear. And that is understandable as they all share the same Royal family. Behind the scenes out of sight the real rulers of nations are the blue bloods... as it always was.

The ten toes or horns or kings without kingdoms are perhaps heirs of royals who lost their kingdoms after WW1/2 and are working with the composite end time beast to reclaim their inheritance.





I take it by the way you talk that you don't want any part of the kingdom of God.

You need to watch your filthy mouth man and start to floor those knees in repentance.

I am not talking about a submarine but a submarine launched ballistic missile.




That's right.

I think you have to be a total dickhead to believe what you do like magically deciding Zechariah 5 is about a nuke and that God will detonate it.
Plus you're a liar who accused my religion of worshipping a false God despite our theology openly declaring the God of Abraham to be the true God. So by outright lying about my religion you internally justify the idea of Muslims being nuked...by Jesus no less since you believe he is God.

My language is the only sane response possible when reading such dog shit ideas.

Plus of course it is a complete misinterpretation of Zechariah 5 which was a prophecy about the Jews going into exile in Babylon.
 





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I think you have to be a total dickhead to believe what you do like magically deciding Zechariah 5 is about a nuke and that God will detonate it.
That is what Zechariah 5 says so those who don't see it don't have the Spirit of Truth in them.

Plus you're a liar who accused my religion of worshipping a false God despite our theology openly declaring the God of Abraham to be the true God.
Isaiah 14 outed your idol as an impostor.

So by outright lying about my religion you internally justify the idea of Muslims being nuked...by Jesus no less since you believe he is God.
I don't know what cities will be nuked except Babylon the Great which is the city reigning over the kings of the earth.
 





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That is what Zechariah 5 says so those who don't see it don't have the Spirit of Truth in them.


Isaiah 14 outed your idol as an impostor.


I don't know what cities will be nuked except Babylon the Great which is the city reigning over the kings of the earth.
That is what Zechariah 5 says so those who don't see it don't have the Spirit of Truth in them.
mate, the chapter is about jewish exile to Babylon, it has nothing todo with nukes and if you think you have a spirit in you telling you that, then God help you, it's not a good spirit in you.

Isaiah 14 outed your idol as an impostor.
before I even read this, let me reiterate a few truths
what is islamic tawheed/belief?

1) Or were you witnesses when death approached Ya'qub (Jacob)? When he said unto his sons, "What will you worship after me?" They said, "We shall worship your Ilah (god - Allah), the Ilah (god) of your fathers, Ibrahim (abraham), Isma'il (Ishmael), Ishaq (Isaac), One Ilah (god), and to Him we submit (in Islam)."
(سورة البقرة, Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #133)

(2) Say (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم): "Truly, my Lord has guided me to a Straight Path, a right religion, the religion of Ibrahim (abraham), Hanifa [i.e. the true Islamic Monotheism - to believe in One god (Allah i.e. to worship none but Allah, Alone)] and he was not of Al-Mushrikun (See V.2:105)."
(سورة الأنعام, Al-An'aam, Chapter #6, Verse #161)


in our minds, we know our religion tells us to believe in the same God as the prophets of Israel/the old testament. At the very least you should respect that muslims consciously worship that God.
to even suggest we worship an IDOL, it's obvious you are lying to yourself more than anything else. No one can be dumb enough to legitimately believe that, it is more a case of another faux christian lie against islam out of envy.


here, let me OWN you silly once again
Isaiah 14
14 The Lord will have compassion on Jacob;
once again he will choose Israel
and will settle them in their own land.
Foreigners will join them
and unite with the descendants of Jacob.
2 Nations will take them
and bring them to their own place.
And Israel will take possession of the nations
and make them male and female servants in the Lord’s land.
They will make captives of their captors
and rule over their oppressors.


meanwhile, in the Quran it says

Surah 17
104 And We said to the Children of Israel after him: "Dwell in the land, then, when the final and the last promise comes near [i.e. the Day of Resurrection or the descent of Christ ['Îsa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) عليهما السلام on the earth], We shall bring you altogether as mixed crowd (gathered out of various nations).


the only difference is we believe this will occur when Jesus descends and hence the redemption of israel, the gathering of the tribes etc will be through Jesus....NOT the house of Rothschild and a nuclear armed state of israel made up of athiestic jews.
 





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Looks like the land is starting to really flourish.

Dalit, Amos 9 was talking about the jewish return from captivity in Babylon.
Also, i don't know if you know this secret about the earth..but if you plant seeds in fertile earth, they will grow into plants/trees that'll produce fruit.
During captivity in babylon, the holy land was deserted and not in thebest of nick...
However before the establishment of the modern state of israel, the land called palestine was flourishing..

does that mean when jews were planting seeds/trees during the centuries of muslim rule, when those trees produced fruit, it meant they were living in the messianic kingdom?
the longest lasting period of peace in that land was under muslim rule from the conquest of jerusalem by Salahuddin into recent times. This would have been much longer but fanatical christian zealotry spoilt the peace in that land by butchering muslims aswell as jews.
i've read the old testament, when was there lasting peace in the holy land under jewish control?
in the old testament era, all jews did was spill blood there.
 





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Dalit, Amos 9 was talking about the jewish return from captivity in Babylon.
Also, i don't know if you know this secret about the earth..but if you plant seeds in fertile earth, they will grow into plants/trees that'll produce fruit.
During captivity in babylon, the holy land was deserted and not in thebest of nick...
However before the establishment of the modern state of israel, the land called palestine was flourishing..

does that mean when jews were planting seeds/trees during the centuries of muslim rule, when those trees produced fruit, it meant they were living in the messianic kingdom?
the longest lasting period of peace in that land was under muslim rule from the conquest of jerusalem by Salahuddin into recent times. This would have been much longer but fanatical christian zealotry spoilt the peace in that land by butchering muslims aswell as jews.
i've read the old testament, when was there lasting peace in the holy land under jewish control?
in the old testament era, all jews did was spill blood there.
Hi, Aspiring Soul. I've not studied Amos in depth, but now I will. Here's what I see from that passage upon a cursory reading.

I started reading with Amos 9:11-15, and in that day (Yom HaHu) is a phrase usually used in end time prophecies. Even though prophecies in the Tanach (OT prophetic books) had a past historical fulfillment, they also have a future fulfillment since we aren't living in the millennial reign of Mashiach (Messiah) by any means at this time. Rabbi Jeremy Gimpel, who is far more skilled and knowledgeable in the Torah and Tanach than I, says in his podcast (Israel Inspired: The Book of Ezra--A Modern Day Map for the End of Days, 2/13/18, The Land of Israel Network) that every prophecy in the Tanach was for the future. For some prophecies that was only 70 to about 200 years later. Yet history tends to repeat itself and things go in cycles and seasons. I believe there is a more of a cyclical pattern than a linear progression onwards and upwards.

Anyway, I really just put the video here to show how the land is growing. It's not flourishing to the point of Amos 9:13-15 yet, but I see the potential in that dry land that's slowly starting to spring to life. And I like Jeremy and Ari's enthusiasm and hope.
 





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That is what Zechariah 5 says so those who don't see it don't have the Spirit of Truth in them.
mate, the chapter is about jewish exile to Babylon, it has nothing todo with nukes and if you think you have a spirit in you telling you that, then God help you, it's not a good spirit in you.
We will wait and see won't we Wasp ?

It won't be long now... and where are the bible scholars warning about nuclear war ?

It's called the great tribulation such as has not been since the beginning of the world... and we got nukes... so you don't need to be a rocket scientist to connect two dots and come to the conclusion that nukes will fly.

And such a serious matter one would think was in God's book... and there it is in detail in Zechariah 5.



Isaiah 14 outed your idol as an impostor.
before I even read this, let me reiterate a few truths
what is islamic tawheed/belief?
...
in our minds, we know our religion tells us to believe in the same God as the prophets of Israel/the old testament. At the very least you should respect that muslims consciously worship that God.
to even suggest we worship an IDOL, it's obvious you are lying to yourself more than anything else. No one can be dumb enough to legitimately believe that, it is more a case of another faux christian lie against islam out of envy.
God's book is the Bible.

And in the bible God has a Son...but in the quran God do not have a Son.

That's just one example and in Isaiah 14 a renegade angel is foretold to establish his throne on Mount Zion.

Again you don't have to be a brain surgeon to connect two dots and understand that God is talking about the god or idol of Islam.