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“That Freemasonry is Judaism for Gentiles, or Noachidism, can be further confirmed by referring to Judeo-Freemasonry's own reference books: "Noachidae, Noachites. The descendents of Noah. A term applied to Freemasons. Noah having alone preserved the true name and worship of God, amid a race of impious idolaters. Freemasons claim to be his descendents, because they still preserve that pure religion which distinguished this second father of the human race from the rest of the world. And even when his descendents began again, in the plains of Shinar, to forget the Almighty, and to wander from the path of purity, the principles of Noah were still perpetuated by that portion of his race whom the Freemasons of the present day regard as their early predecessors. Hence, Freemasons call themselves Noachidae, or the sons of Noah." (Mackey, Lexicon of Freemasonry, page 324, 2004, Barnes and Noble Publishing, Inc.)
"Noah, Precepts of. The precepts of the patriarch Noah, which were preserved as the constitutions of our ancient brethren, are seven in number, and are as follows: 1. Renounce all idols 2. Worship the only true God. 3. Commit no murder. 4. Be not defiled by incest. 5. Do not steal. 6. Be just. 7. Eat no flesh with blood in it. The 'proselytes of the gate', as the Jews termed those who lived among them without undergoing circumcision, or observing the ceremonial law, were bound to obey the seven precepts of Noah." (Mackey, Lexicon of Freemasonry, page 325, 2004, Barnes and Noble Publishing, Inc.)
"NOAHCHIDAE: The descendants of Noah, and the transmitters of his religious dogmas, which were the unity of God and the immortality of the soul. The name has from the earliest times been bestowed upon the Freemasons, who teach the same doctrines. Thus in the 'old charges,' as quoted by Anderson (Const. edit. 1738, p. 143), it is said, 'A mason is obliged by his tenure to observe the moral law as a true Noachidae." (The Symbolism of Freemasonry, Mackey, available at the on-line religious texts archive.
As the quotes above attest, Judeo-Freemasons are -- and arguably were from the inception of Freemasonry -- Noahchidae, i.e., outsiders at the gate who follow the 7 laws laid down by the Rabbis in the Talmud for gentiles.
The seven Noachide Laws may sound harmless enough if read out of the context of their origin within the Talmudic-Kabbalistic praxis from whence they originated, but in his book "Judaism Discovered", Hoffman clarifies: "The Noachide set-up is above all a legal system which will eventually develop courts and judiciary with the power to impose capital punishment for grievous infringements of the Noachide Laws. One death penalty offense under the Noahide rabbinic legal system is 'idolotry.' Since Maimonides ruled that Christians are idolaters, it is not difficult to see that the 102nd US Congress, and the numerous churchmen who promote submission to the "Noachide" Laws, wittingly or unwittingly, have laid the groundwork for the execution, at some future date, of authentic Christians, individually by trial or en masse. conversely, Maimonides rules that all gentiles who are not followers of the Noachide Law are liable to death. Hilchot Melachim 8:10 states that any gentile who does not accept the Noachide laws should be slain, though this only applies when Judaics have 'undisputed authority over eretz Israel.'" (Michael A. Hoffman, "Judaism Discovered: A Study of the Anti-Biblical Religion of Racism, Self-Worship, Superstition and Deceit", page 498, Independent History and Research, 2008, available, as of 2008, at revisionisthistory.org.)
That Freemasons, according to their own books, admit to being Noahchidae is only one among many reasons why many Masonologists claim Freemasonry is Judaism for Gentiles. “http://fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/history/zionism/news.php?q=1240855358
Freemasons claim to be the sons of Cain, who was the oldest ancestor of Noah.

"Since the beginning formations of the Brotherhood of the Order of the Quest, the end goal for all who joined was to have peace, unity, wisdom and love on earth. A simple goal to help place an end to the endless wars and human misery that have plagued our planet for thousands of years via a coordinated effort of like minded brothers, where the purpose of our Great Work was to help create a world that was unified under this common banner of peace, love, unity and justice for all. What some may call , "heaven on earth" or even a "Solomon's Temple" that covers the globe.
In order to accomplish this monumental task, Tubal Cain and his descendants were instructed by God in Matthew 10:34 where it is said, "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." Tubal Cain is the widow's son who originally was "a sharpener"—one who whets or sharpens instruments.
In more modern times such as in the most recent translations of the bible we find that he morphs from being one who sharpens instruments for example; a sword, to becoming the "forger of all instruments of bronze and iron" (ESV), or an "instructor of every artificer in brass and iron" (KJV). Hence, he is the Supreme Hierophant or High Priest of commerce, war and materialism which currently rules this 6th Age. Josephus in The Antiquities of the Jews, says that "Tubal exceeded all men in strength, and was very expert and famous in martial performances, ... and first of all invented the art of working brass."'
Josephus in the Antiquities of the Jews, A.D. 93;
Nay, even while Adam was alive, it came to pass that the posterity of Cain became exceedingly wicked, every one successively dying one after the other, more wicked than the former. They were intolerable in war, and vehement in robberies; and if any one were slow to murder people, yet was he bold in his profligate behaviour, in acting unjustly, and doing injury for gain.​
Tubal Cain had descended from Cain, the son of Lamech and Zillah, and the brother of Naamah, who Tubal is said to be the last soul survivor of the race of Cain after the flood. The Sons of Tubal Cain, his descendants are first recorded in the inscriptions of Tiglath-pileser I, by the King of Assyria in approximately the year 1100 BC. Later they are also reported by Tukulti-ninurta II, Ashurnasipal II, Sargon and Shalmaneserr III, and are mentioned as the Mushki.
TUBAL CAIN IN FREEMASONRY-
"Tubal Cain has been considered among Masons as a symbol of worldly possessions." - Albert Gallatin Mackey - A lexicon of freemasonry
Masonic Historian, Albert Gallatin Mackey had said that Tubal Cain is the Vulcan of the Pagans, and is thought to have been closely connected with ancient Freemasonry. Here is a quote on Tubal Cain from Mackey's book, A lexicon of freemasonry;
He was the inventor of edge-tools, and introduced many arts into society which tended towards its improvement and civilization. Tubal Cain is the Vulcan of the Pagans, and is thought to have been closely connected with ancient Freemasonry. Faber says that "all the most remarkable ancient buildings of Greece, Egypt, and Asia Minor, were ascribed to Cabirean or Cyclopean Masons," the descendants of Vulcan, Dhu Balcan, the god Balcan, or Tubal Cain. Oliver says, "In after times Tubal Cain, under the name of Vulcan and his Cyclops, figured as workers in metals and inventors of the mysteries; and hence it is probable that he was the hierophant of a similar institution in his day, copied from the previous system of Seth, and applied to the improvement of schemes more adapted to the physical pursuits of the race to which he belonged."*
For these reasons Tubal Cain has been consecrated among Masons of the present day as an ancient brother. His introduction of the arts of civilization having given the first value to property. Tubal Cain has been considered among Masons as a symbol of worldly possessions.​
The first reference to Tubal Cain in Freemasonry is found in the "Legend of the Craft," where he is called "the founder of smith-craft. Tubal Cain was a master at forging weapons in which 33rd degree Freemason and Master Rosicrucian, Manly P. Hall says this about him and his weapons; "The Mason must 'follow in the footsteps of his forefather, Tubal-Cain, who with the mighty strength of the war god hammered his sword into a plowshare."
Tubal Cain is the password given in the Third Degree of Blue Lodge of the Master Mason.
Ex. (Pressing his thumb as before): "What is this ?"
Vis.: "The pass-grip of a Master Mason."
Ex.: "Has this a name?"
Vis.: "It has."
Ex.: "Will you give it to me ?"
Vis.: "I did not so receive it, neither will I so impart it."
Ex.: "How will you dispose of it?"
Vis.: "I will syllable it with you."
Ex.: "Syllable it and begin."
Vis.: "No, you begin."
Ex.: "You must begin."
Vis.: "Bal."
Ex.:. "Tu."
Vis.: "Cain."
Ex.: "Tubal."
Vis.: "Tubal-Cain."
 






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For the sake of argument lets assume you live in city. Does your city reign over you? Do you ever committed adultery with you city ? I could continue this absurd line of questioning, but i think you get my point...
If there is only one thing you can be 100% sure about it is that Babylon the Great is a city.

Revelation 17 18 "And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth."
 






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“In The History of Freemasonry, Albert Mackey identifies Noah as the originator of a mystery religion known as the Arkite Worship. The book states that "Noah was the father and founder of the Masonic system of theology."[8] According to Masonic doctrine, a Noahide is an average Gentile, while a "true Noachide" would be a "righteous Gentile" (eg., a Mason) who pursues the study and keeping of the 7 Laws, thereby attaining to an advanced level of spirituality:
"When one of the Children of Noah engages in the study of the Seven Universal Laws, he is able to attain a spiritual level higher than the High Priest of the Jews, who alone has the sanctity to enter the Holy of Holies in the Temple in Jerusalem."http://fanaticforjesus.blogspot.com/2011/12/coming-of-noahide-laws-through-third.html?m=1

Just because Freemasonry allegedly observes the Noahide laws does not make it Jewish by any stretch of the imagination.
 






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If there is only one thing you can be 100% sure about it is that Babylon the Great is a city.

Revelation 17 18 "And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth."
Some key verses in my opinion :

Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:
Water as angel later explains are nations and people.

So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns
She sits or is above of antichrist system, cause of it.

Rev 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus:
She will persecute and kill christians in end times or will be cause of it...

Maybe it's a city, Jerusalem vs Rome then. But that would mean word mystery in her name is really out of place, what kind of mystery would be that. 5 years old could figure out as much if presented with information. My intuition tels whore is spiritual...but anyways we will see, or better lets hope we don't :)
 






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Some key verses in my opinion :

Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:
Water as angel later explains are nations and people.

So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns
She sits or is above of antichrist system, cause of it.

Rev 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus:
She will persecute and kill christians in end times or will be cause of it...

Maybe it's a city, Jerusalem vs Rome then. But that would mean word mystery in her name is really out of place, what kind of mystery would be that. 5 years old could figure out as much if presented with information. My intuition tels whore is spiritual...but anyways we will see, or better lets hope we don't :)

Yes but she is a spiritual whore.

She is a big city filled with multitudes of diverse ethnicities and she has been puffed up and carried on the back of the emerging Beast system.

But the ten horns on the Beast who are ten kings with no kingdom as of yet will burn her with fire.

Why ? Because she is in the way for the New World Order.
 






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Just because Freemasonry allegedly observes the Noahide laws does not make it Jewish by any stretch of the imagination.
It doesn't necessarily make it "Jewish." I already explained that it is just a system of recruitment that can somewhat be controlled and thereby, the plight of the Jews is resolved without having to repent or accept Christ.

However, in regard to the subject of mystery Babylon, it would fit with Revelation 18:3. "For all the nations have drunk the maddening wine of her adulteries."

Her adulteries being in disobedience to the covenant that He made to restore the Jews to Himself through Christ.

So what we are looking at in Revelation's description of Babylon is something that has great influence on the direction the world will take in turning away from Christ in disobedience. It is clear in recognizing that there is no way to be informed of the Noahide laws without communicating with someone who is Jewish, that the Jewish community has had a great influence on systems that have established the world to be the way it is today.

Many people recognize the influence of Freemasons in the founding of America. Well if they are influenced by the teachings on the Noahide laws then the Jewish people have had great influence on the state of the world that mystery Babylon will bear judgment for according to prophecy.

The same is true of communism. There is the debate over whether communism was established by the Jews and some people say you are antisemitic if you say that it was started by the Jews and some people agree that there is clearly a connection. This debate doesn't really matter though when we examine communism in comparison with the law of Moses. Most people don't really have a strong understanding of the law and how it would manifest in practice.

In brief, there were a LOT of offerings. Very similar to the concept of communism where there is a central collection of wealth that is distributed. There are a LOT of offerings in the law. When you have given all your offerings, you would basically be left with something to eat plus desert possibly, and Israel was not essentially a place to get wealthy. It was never even supposed to have a king because a king is contrary to the economic structure given in the law, which is mirrored by communism in many ways because it was also a system derived from Jews in order to create a system of recruitment according to a Noahide application of Judaism. Communism is created within the Jewish community for the same reasons as Freemasonry, which does not describe it as "Jewish." It would be described as Noachide.

So the world we live in can be very clearly seen as greatly influenced by the Jewish community so that the world is made drunk with her adulteries. This adultery is the mystery of lawlessness that will manifest as the man of lawlessness who will have a time of authority according to Revelation 13.

I did already write a post about the directions the riders go according to Zechariah. Briefly again, the riders go north, and from the north a king will turn against the south. In establishing Israel, we have brought the north into the south and are waging war to have the area be defined as a Jewish nation. That is what prophecy says. So unless the Jews plan on leaving soon. It is looking like they do represent Mystery Babylon and the man of sin will be Jewish.

There are many reasons to see that this is what it is saying that are somewhat similar to the Zionist slogan that God is not done with the Jews and no He is clearly not. However, what is happening now is not an indication that it is time to celebrate.
 






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Freemasonry came up with the brilliant idea to let the Jews round themselves up in Palestine so that Islam could implement once and for all the Final Solution. Somehow they forgot God in all this. Or perhaps they were testing God to see how He would protect the Jews.
Just curious....what does your name mean? I know El has something to do with God. As in Dani-el, Ezeki-el and Jor-el /Kal-el (superman).
 






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Babylon is described as both a woman and a city, two things that are also used to describe the the people of God or the Church.

I believe Babylon is comprised of all of institutionalized Christianity. In the last days the Spirit will call God’s people to come out of Babylon. (Revelation 18:4)

If Babylon was Strictly an anti-Christian or anti-God organization why would God be calling his people to come out of her?

The Church has and continues to make bedfellows with the systems of the world, when Jesus clearly said those who are his are not part of the world. (John 17:15,16)

Those who truly belong to Christ will eventually see this and separate themselves from the religious systems of the world.
 






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Babylon is described as both a woman and a city, two things that are also used to describe the the people of God or the Church.

I believe Babylon is comprised of all of institutionalized Christianity. In the last days the Spirit will call God’s people to come out of Babylon. (Revelation 18:4)

If Babylon was Strictly an anti-Christian or anti-God organization why would God be calling his people to come out of her?

The Church has and continues to make bedfellows with the systems of the world, when Jesus clearly said those who are his are not part of the world. (John 17:15,16)

Those who truly belong to Christ will eventually see this and separate themselves from the religious systems of the world.
so when institutionalized Christianity falls, the world's merchants will lose all their wealth?
 






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so when institutionalized Christianity falls, the world's merchants will lose all their wealth?
The scriptures referenced don’t say that. It simply says merchants were made rich by her luxuries. Surely you can see there has been much profit from the Vatican, televangelism, and all sorts of various “spiritual empires”.

My original post I said institutionalized Christianity, but really any formal religious institutions could feasibly be part of it, Judaism, Talmudic Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, etc....

I just tend to focus on Christianity as that is my religious background and the text being discussed is a Christian text.
 






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It doesn't necessarily make it "Jewish." I already explained that it is just a system of recruitment that can somewhat be controlled and thereby, the plight of the Jews is resolved without having to repent or accept Christ.

However, in regard to the subject of mystery Babylon, it would fit with Revelation 18:3. "For all the nations have drunk the maddening wine of her adulteries."

Her adulteries being in disobedience to the covenant that He made to restore the Jews to Himself through Christ.
Well it's an interesting hypothesis but as i see it the Jews were commanded by God to not collectively come to Christ before their appointed time.

When Joshua and the Levites crossed the river Jordan with the Ark of the Covenant into the Promised land then the Israelites were to wait and follow after a space of about 2000 cubits because they did not know the way.

They did not know the Way of Jesus Christ who would enter Paradise about 2000 years before them.
 






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Just curious....what does your name mean? I know El has something to do with God. As in Dani-el, Ezeki-el and Jor-el /Kal-el (superman).
It's just a nick. I would not read too much into it. And you're right el means god.
 






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Babylon is described as both a woman and a city, two things that are also used to describe the the people of God or the Church.

I believe Babylon is comprised of all of institutionalized Christianity. In the last days the Spirit will call God’s people to come out of Babylon. (Revelation 18:4)
so when institutionalized Christianity falls, the world's merchants will lose all their wealth?
Babylon the Great is depicted as a mass importer of goods.

And she is the city which reigns over the kings of the world so could that point to the UN headquarters ?
 






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Babylon the Great is depicted as a mass importer of goods.

And she is the city which reigns over the kings of the world so could that point to the UN headquarters ?
It's not refering to a literal city. The metaphor of a city in the Bible refers to a group of people, specifically God's people, i.e. Isreal in the OT and the Church in the NT. So Babylon is refering to the paganized institutional Church. Through most of the institionalized Church's history it has ruled over Kings in a religious/political sense. When the Roman empire fell, it was "Christendom" that took over much of Europe. Kings were coronated by the authority of the Church. The Pope claimed the power to crown Kings for centuries......
 






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It's not refering to a literal city. The metaphor of a city in the Bible refers to a group of people, specifically God's people, i.e. Isreal in the OT and the Church in the NT. So Babylon is refering to the paganized institutional Church. Through most of the institionalized Church's history it has ruled over Kings in a religious/political sense. When the Roman empire fell, it was "Christendom" that took over much of Europe. Kings were coronated by the authority of the Church. The Pope claimed the power to crown Kings for centuries......
An angel is explaining to John that Babylon the Great is a city and so we cannot spiritualize this away to mean something else.

Revelation 17 18 "And the woman whom you saw is that great city which reigns over the kings of the earth.”
 






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An angel is explaining to John that Babylon the Great is a city and so we cannot spiritualize this away to mean something else.

Revelation 17 18 "And the woman whom you saw is that great city which reigns over the kings of the earth.”
So instead we are going to make a huge stretch and try to say the UN is a city that reigns over Kings? Okay whatever....

I think I will take “spiritualizing” a vision “in the spirit” over grasping to try to fit current political situations into prophecy.
 






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I'm just repeating previous points.

Rome was that city..that rules over the world. The 4th beast/legs of iron...later becomes the feet of iron/clay too. Rome IS the beast of the sea in Revelation.

The key thing to remember is the whore only sits on the beast and yet the beast hates her. So whilst many if not most christians think the whore is the vatican, I believe the vatican IS part of the beast, not the woman.
The woman/whore is easily distinguishable, just read Zechariah 5, Jeremiah 2-3...it's pretty obvious who this adulteress/wicked woman (who is taken to Babylon) is. Zechariah 5 literally links the jews to babylon via the theme of Usury.

3 And he said to me, “This is the curse that is going out over the whole land; for according to what it says on one side, every thief will be banished, and according to what it says on the other, everyone who swears falsely will be banished. 4 The Lord Almighty declares, ‘I will send it out, and it will enter the house of the thief and the house of anyone who swears falsely by my name. It will remain in that house and destroy it completely, both its timbers and its stones.’”

The one who swears falsely and the thief....
remember this connects the jews with Babylon here
11 He replied, “To the country of Babylonia to build a house for it. When the house is ready, the basket will be set there in its place.”

'to build a house for it'
kind of interesting given how Habakkuk 2, which foretold the future destruction of Babylon linked with these themes




compare

It will remain in that house and destroy it completely, both its timbers and its stones


Habakkuk 2

6 “Will not all of them taunt him with ridicule and scorn, saying,
“‘Woe to him who piles up stolen goods
and makes himself wealthy by extortion!
How long must this go on?’
7 Will not your creditors suddenly arise?

Will they not wake up and make you tremble?
Then you will become their prey.
8 Because you have plundered many nations,
the peoples who are left will plunder you.
For you have shed human blood;
you have destroyed lands and cities and everyone in them.


“Woe to him who builds his house by unjust gain,
setting his nest on high
to escape the clutches of ruin!
10 You have plotted the ruin of many peoples,
shaming your own house and forfeiting your life.
11 The stones of the wall will cry out,
and the beams of the woodwork will echo it.


Woe to him who says to wood, ‘Come to life!’
Or to lifeless stone, ‘Wake up!’



In Jeremiah 2 and 3,
idolatory=adultery...God refers to the nation as an adulteress/whore
of this idolatory ie idols made of stone and wood they're told

9 Because Israel’s immorality mattered so little to her, she defiled the land and committed adultery with stone and wood.

Indeed, on every high hill
and under every spreading tree
you lay down as a prostitute.


But in the time of their trouble they will say,
“Arise and save us.”



Habakkuk 2 symbolically tells us
The stones of the wall will cry out,
and the beams of the woodwork will echo it.




Revelation 17
15 Then he said to me, “The waters which you saw, where the prostitute sits, are peoples and multitudes and nations and tongues. 16 These ten horns and the beast which you saw will hate the prostitute; they will make her desolate and naked, and devour her flesh, and burn her with fire. 17 For God has put in their hearts to fulfill His will, and to be of one mind, and to give their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled.



So we know the whore will be destroyed...and yet it is God's will but executed by the Beast.

Then you look at Zechariah 11 and it tells us the worthless shepherd (the antichrist) will desert the flock.
Woe to this worthless shepherd
who abandons his flock.
May the sword take his arm and right eye;
may his arm surely wither up,
and his right eye become blind.


This is the same event as Revelation 17/18. dajjal/the antichrist/beast is going to destroy his own nation (or whatever version of it exists in that time, assuming it'll be even more powerful than it is today). This coincides with the destruction of the entire banking/economic/political/cultural system. That's the only way anything likem modern israel could be destroyed.

The anti-christ deception here is clearly that he will help/play the major role in doing something the world (and God) wants.


The dangerous side to this from an islamic pov is........all these ppl like Sheikh imran hossein, who continue presenting modern israel as the dajjalic system, if someone destroys modern israel then what is he? the saviour?
it is a deception....and yet we have this hadith prophecy completely connected with this topic

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (Peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me;
come and kill him;

but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.


cnsidering this event is really done with the blessing of the beast, it's a major deception for muslims because right after most muslims will follow dajjal (according to our prophecies).

That's why i'm a critic of someone as shady as sheikh imran hossein who constantly pumps this idea of israel as THE anti-christ/dajjal.
 






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so when institutionalized Christianity falls, the world's merchants will lose all their wealth?
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Given its links to international commerce, that the merchants look upon and mourn its falling, Babylon the Great seems associated with international finance and (not meaning to lead the witness here, your honor) a World Trade Center, a center of world trade.
The text lists the merchants wares and it seems 'she' is the main buyer:

"And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more: The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble, And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves*, and souls of men." *(bodies NIV)

the text differentiating between trading of bodies and souls emphasizes that there are religious merchants purposefully dispensing corrupted/false doctrines, setting people on the road to perdition.

And Babylon has a king reigning over her. Isaiah records a prophecy of his future fate (14:3-23)

"On the day the LORD gives you relief from your suffering and turmoil and from the harsh labour
forced on you, you will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon:
How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast
down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations! You said in your heart, ‘I will ascend to the heavens;I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of Mount Zaphon. I will ascend abovethe tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.’ But you are brought down to the realm of the dead, to the depths of the pit."

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Granted, the guy is easy on the eyes but in light of all this, it leaves one wondering; what does Fox (NewsCorp) really have to gain
from selling to the masses a sanitized or favorable image of the fallen archangel? Basically his PR/celebrity management team. Sure,they must be getting paid for their services.This can't all just be for our entertainment...now can it?
 






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So instead we are going to make a huge stretch and try to say the UN is a city that reigns over Kings? Okay whatever....

I think I will take “spiritualizing” a vision “in the spirit” over grasping to try to fit current political situations into prophecy.
The UN can be said to reign over the kings of the earth. And so the city with the UN headquarters could be indicated here.

Revelation 17 18 "And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth."
 






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I think this pretty much seals the fate of Israel as being the final perpetrator spoken of in Revelation. The present article is talking about Intel joining forces for automatic driving research with Israel. However, this is Intel aligning itself with Israel. A technology company is aligning itself with Israel and specifically supporting Jerusalem as the capital of Israel when this is still something being contested politically.

It is baffling that anyone reading scripture could somehow justify a backward position suggesting that somehow the Jews will become the victim in Revelation when this is the direction we are heading. That would require such a turn in the direction that we are presently heading, I can't even understand how someone could take a position like this seriously.

I suppose it is just a coincidence that a technology company that is literally a cornerstone of the industry like Intel is aligning itself with Israel, helping them pursue their quest to claim Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, and that the book of Revelation says that we are expecting to see many turn and worship the image of the beast. I mean really. Like it is just right in front of our faces more and more every day.

“I just want to say that it will be centered here in Jerusalem."

http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Intel-CEO-We-think-of-ourselves-as-an-Israeli-company-as-much-as-a-US-company-
INTEL CEO: WE THINK OF OURSELVES AS AN ISRAELI COMPANY AS MUCH AS A US COMPANY
 






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