Babylon according to the Bible.

[AspiringSoul]

Not according to the Bible. Literal Jews are not even mentioned in end time prophecy at all. Why? Because in the New Covenant the definition of Jew changed. Literal Jews are no longer a chosen nation and haven't been for 2000 years. Jews in the the New Covenant are all those (regardless of genes, race or nation) who believe in and have accepted Jesus Christ as their personal Saviour and follow His precepts. It was always God's plan from the beginning that the gospel be spread around the world through Israel and the Gentiles would join Israel. God promised Abraham and re-affirmed it with his son Isaac, “In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed” (Genesis 26:4). That happened in the New Covenant and the gospel spread around the world and Israel became spiritual not literal.

Romans 2:28-29, “For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.”

Galatians 3:28, “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.”

The only power that fits the little horn power of Daniel 7, the beast of Revelation 13 and Babylon is the papacy. There are two parts of Rome in the Bible. There is pagan Rome, then there is papal Rome. Both hated/hate civil and religious liberty. The papacy came out of pagan Rome but then it got more powerful and through it Satan persecuted Christians for 1260 years (this is not only biblical but historical too). In the end time a second beast/power will work together with the papacy to persecute all those who refuse to obey their rules and choose to obey God instead. That is the USA which is the only and last super power left in this world.

Literal Jews are not as powerful as many think without the papacy and the USA.That is why they are working to unite together to gain more power so they can have complete control in this world. They will succeed up to a point as the Bible tells us, most people will give them their allegiance and will be lost forever, but God's people will never yield to them even when they start the persecutions again.

What I'm posting about Babylon is the truth of the Bible, and the Bible is always right when it comes to prophecy. This is how I know the Bible is the truth and the God of the Bible is the true God. If God's Word says its going to happen, it happened and will happen. Most end time prophecy has already been fulfilled by the way. Its very little that has to be fulfilled before Christ returns.

God bless.

1) there are different covenants, the covenant bringing CHRISTIANS into the Abrahimic fold, is through ISAAC, NOT ABRAHAM.
the Abraham covenant is via circumcision.

Bible Gateway passage: Genesis 17 - New International Version

The Covenant of Circumcision - When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to him and said, “I am God Almighty; walk before me faithfully and be blameless. Then I will make my covenant between me and you and will greatly increase your numbers.” Abram fell facedown, and God said to...

www.biblegateway.com

9 Then God said to Abraham, “As for you, you must keep my covenant, you and your descendants after you for the generations to come. 10 This is my covenant with you and your descendants after you, the covenant you are to keep: Every male among you shall be circumcised. 11 You are to undergo circumcision, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and you. 12 For the generations to come every male among you who is eight days old must be circumcised, including those born in your household or bought with money from a foreigner—those who are not your offspring. 13 Whether born in your household or bought with your money, they must be circumcised. My covenant in your flesh is to be an everlasting covenant. 14 Any uncircumcised male, who has not been circumcised in the flesh, will be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant.”

hence this is where islam, via ishmael, the son of Abraham comes in. Muslims all over the world, 'gentiles' become sons of Abraham this way. However so we're on the same page here, the covenant of the circumcision via Abraham, is not a covenant connected to the holy land. The holy land connects to the covenant made through Isaac.
the claim over the holy land, commonly given by muslims, is based on 'the truth of our religion, we are on haqq/truth and the chosen ummah/nation' etc. However this is a weak claim long term.
The islamic period of rule over the temple mount comes via the 1260 days (lunar yrs) prophecy in Rev 12.

Those were the periods of islamic rule over the holy land by various caliphates and sultanates
1260 has NOTHING to do with 'persecution of christians'
literally Rev 11 speaks of 'trampling over the temple mount' and it was the muslims that ruled over the temple mount for a literal 1260 lunar yrs.
then there's Rev 12 where the woman and her offspring (the TRUE jews of blood and spirit) find protection/shelter IN THE WILDERNESS away from Satan's reach...and the wilderness is always a reference to HAGAR/ISHMAEL./
it is why the whore of babylon/synagogue of satan is hell bent on MURDERING THE CHILDREN OF PALESTINE!!!

https://www.savethechildren.net/news/2022-becomes-deadliest-year-palestinian-children-west-bank-over-15-years-save-children

2022 BECOMES THE DEADLIEST YEAR FOR PALESTINIAN CHILDREN IN THE WEST BANK IN OVER 15 YEARS – SAVE THE CHILDREN



2)
The only power that fits the little horn power of Daniel 7, the beast of Revelation 13 and Babylon is the papacy.

the little horn in Daniel 7 was literally TITUS and has nothing to do with the pope. These 4 beasts of Daniel and the associated horns, were intrinsincly connected with THE JEWISH TEMPLE.
the 10 emperors of rome, from Augustus Ceasar to TITUS...after that it doesnt matter how many roman emperors there were, it ends at 10 on account of the destruction of the temple.
not a single pope has ever presided over a jewish temple, so it's just a daft point to try and make out the pope/vatican is a 'horn'.

3) Rev 12
the true remnant are those who
HOLD THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS
and
FOLLOW GOD'S COMMANDMENTS

Christians don't follow commandments, they shove pigshit down their throat any spare hour of the day.
muslims are the ones who follow commandments AND believe in Jesus correctly.
you guys made adoni into adonai..your beliefs are messed up.


4) The rise of the end times beast, via Revelation 6's 'white horse conquering' prophecy, came true via the colonial era. i do believe the vatican to be the controller of all of this and hence the vatican IS THE BEAST OF THE SEA in Revelation.
However...the whore of babylon is the 'whore riding the beast', ie she is allowd to take control, until she fulfill's the beast's purpose. So these jews are used by Rome. The beast hates the prostitute in reality, but she allows the prostitute the aurea of dominance for a while, to fulfill it's purpose.

5) sorry a final point, i need to get back to the all important matter...the matter of Jesus Christ in light of both christianity and islam..ie who has the true belief concerning him?

my argument is this
-The LOGOS IS GOD'S ETERNAL EXPRESSION. Through the Logos, God is IMMANENT
that doesnt mean the Logos is The IMMANENT GOD in the absolute sense, but rather God is Immanently revealed through the Logos. I look at the logos more like a prism through which the one light/TRancendent Father, expresses His Immanence.
-Jesus is the LOGOS MADE FLESH...but the key point the Logosa taught us through Jesus Christ, was that GOD IS IMMANENT IN ALL THINGS AND THE LOGOS IS ALL THINGS...
Jesus was not merely pointing to his own person, saying 'ME ME ME' he was saying 'THE SINGLE EYE' , see the ONENESS OF GOD IN ALL THINGS. hence we are then told 'TO THE PURE ALL THINGS ARE PURE'.

this viewpoint allows me to have a consistent interpretation of the new testament. Jesus is not 'fully God' just because God is Immanent in him.
Jesus is adoni/lord, but he is not ADONAI/THE GOD.


then you have the matter of sin...
you guys dont even know the diff between the accountability of sin vs the nature of sin.
So Jesus defeated the nature of sin? he put the serpent to death..that's great..but that can only mean something, if, by virtue of love and belief for Jesus Christ, his qualities are reflected in your heart and that extends to the crucifixion aswell.

However even if you did posess all this love for Jesus...would it matter if you wrongly made Jesus into ADONAI (psalm 110) when he is adoni 'THE LORD/ADONAI says to my lord/adoni...;?

the trinitarian creed is an innocation, it is polytheism that claims the Father, Son and holy spirit are co equals in Godhead.

Jesus will reject many, who called him LORD, but my point above makes even more sense...if you lot call him LORD thininking it means 'GOD ADONAI' then it's no wonder Jesus rejects that, because he knows he is adoni, not adonai.

only muslims have the correct understanding of Jesus. the true remnant, the chosen ones...are amongst the palestinian muslims.

 

[phipps]

@AspiringSoul

I disagree and so does God's Word.

 

[phipps]

The Seven Last Plagues.

In Revelation, John describes the seven last plagues that will fall at the end of the world’s probation. This close of probation, just like in Egypt, will come after the mark of the Beast is enforced, depriving God’s people of their freedom to worship Him according to the dictates of their conscience.

Revelation 15:1, "I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God."

In Revelation, John sees the heavenly temple fill with smoke. The heavenly temple service ends and probation is closed: “And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled” (Revelation 15:8).

Let’s have a look at the symbolism found in the seven plagues of Revelation 16. Once these plagues start falling, there will be those who will attempt to explain away each of these plagues as a coincidence or as a natural occurrence. But the wise will understand where the plagues are coming from.

Seven fiery plagues shall fall upon those who received the mark of the beast in Babylon.

The First Plague, "And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth. And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image" (Revelation 16:1-2).

In this text, the first plague falls on those who have the mark of the Beast; God's people are divinely protected. In Egypt, God separated the Egyptians and the Israelites so that His people were not affected by the last seven plagues.

Later in Revelation, before Jerusalem and the temple were destroyed, God warned His people about the coming destruction. He pointed them to the prophecies of Daniel and urged them to study and understand them. Those who listened to His counsel escaped with their lives, but those who did not, perished. They suffered the consequences of their choice. God had pleaded long and it was only with aching heart that He gave them up.

Just as Pharaoh did not relent when the plagues fell, so the unrepentant will not cease in their endeavours to destroy God's people. The crisis will escalate until it climaxes in the death decree against those who refuse to honour the Antichrist. The promises of God are, however, sure:

"Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; nor for the arrow that flieth by day; Nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness; nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday. A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it will not come nigh thee. Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked. Because thou hast made the LORD, which is my refuge, even the most High, thy habitation; There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plagues come nigh thy dwelling. For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways" (Psalms 91:5-11).

What a comforting thought—angels will protect those who have the seal of God.

 

[phipps]

The Second Plague, "And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea" (Revelation 16:3).

If we look closely at our planet today, we can see a foretaste of what this plague will be like. All around us, we can see the consequences of the toxic waste we have dumped into the delicate marine and fresh water systems of the world. Dangerous algal blooms in oceans and river systems are becoming more and more common. These blooms produce effects that are very similar to the second plague in Revelation.

Blood-red blooms of algae and microorganisms cause the death of millions of aquatic creatures by depriving them of the oxygen they need to survive. The algae and dead organisms then rot to form a blood -like sludge.

However, even though humanity is producing enough pollution to duplicate this plague, when the second angel pours out his vial, it will be much worse than anything that humanity has managed to achieve.

The Third Plague, "And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood. And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus. For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy. And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments" (Revelation 16:4-7).

In this passage, while those who turned against God continue in their determination to shed the blood of those who love Him, the waters turn to blood. But the promise for the people of God is that “bread shall be given him; his waters shall be sure” (Isaiah 33:16).

Just as Elijah was taken care of in his calamity, so God will take care of His children in their calamity. The prophet Elijah serves as a type of the end- time people of God. Elijah did not see death, but was translated and taken to heaven. Similarly, those that receive the seal of God will also be translated without seeing death.

Just as Elijah was persecuted by the church-state alliance of his day, so God's people will suffer a similar persecution at the end of time. God provided Elijah's needs, and God will also provide the needs of the faithful at the end of this great drama of rebellion against His government.

 

[phipps]

The Fourth Plague, "And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire. And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory" (Revelation 16:8-9).

During the fourth plague, the sun’s radiation will not only scorch the earth, but will also scorch people. As in the case of the aquatic disasters produced by the previous plagues, we also have present-day indicators of how this plague will affect humanity. With the destruction of the ozone layer, ultraviolet radiation has increased dramatically and some countries have introduced dress codes for school children to avoid exposure.

Weather patterns have changed dramatically over the last decades. Changing weather patterns have resulted in unprecedented droughts in some areas and massive floods in others. The droughts, often associated with the Él Niño phenomenon, have caused raging fires that have swallowed up millions of acres of forests and grazing.

What is being witnessed today is merely a foretaste of worse things to come. The prophet Joel foresaw this plague and had this to say:

"How do the beasts groan! the herds of cattle are perplexed, because they have no pasture; yea, the flocks of sheep are made desolate. O LORD, to thee will I cry: for the fire hath devoured the pastures of the wilderness, and flames hath burned all the trees of the field" (Joel 1:18-19).

In the same way that God protected the Israelites from the plagues that smote the Egyptians (Exodus 11:4-8), God's people will be protected from this plague. "The sun shall not smite thee by day, nor the moon by night” (Psalm 121:6).

God protected the Israelites from the heat of the day by being a pillar of cloud for them, and protected them from the cold of the night by being a pillar of fire (Exodus 13:21). He will also protect His people when this fourth plague comes to fruition.

The Fifth Plague, "And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain, And blasphemed the God of heaven" (Revelation 16:10-11).

This plague will strike at the throne of the Beast in particular. The Papacy has kept the people of the world in darkness, and so darkness will be their portion. With their tongues they deceived the nations, and they will gnaw their tongues in agony.

"This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all" (1 John 1:5).

Light emanates from God, and in Him there is no darkness. The Papacy replaced Jesus, the Light of the world, with its own systems. Papal Rome slights Christ’s role as Mediator and crucifies Him again and again in the mass. Instead of the Word, Rome feeds the people on liturgies and earthly commandments.

The Word of God, which had been withheld and distorted by the Papacy, could have cured Rome’s malady, had it been willing to listen. “The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple” (Psalm 119:130).

But instead of heeding God’s Word, Rome tampered with God’s law and changed His ordinances:

"The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant" (Isaiah 24:5).

"If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever" (Jeremiah 31:36).

God does not change. Rather, “Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning” (James 1:17).

The fifth plague will bring about a turning point. The inhabitants of the earth, already reeling under the effects of the previous plagues, will witness the agony of the Beast (the papal system) and begin to doubt its credentials. Just as Egypt’s support for Pharaoh waned when the plagues hit (Exodus 10:7), so support for the papal system will begin to wane, opening the way for the sixth plague.

 

[phipps]

The Sixth Plague, "The sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and its water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared" (Revelation 16:12).

Two issues are brought forward in this passage: the Euphrates river dries up and this prepares the way for the kings of the East. The Euphrates was the river that fed into Babylon. This verse reminds us of this city's ancient fall when the river dried up to prepare the way for the conquerors to enter the city. One hundred fifty years before Cyrus, the conqueror of Babylon, was born, the prophet Isaiah mentioned his name:

"Thus saith the LORD to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates, and the gates shall not be shut; I will go before thee, and make the crooked places straight: I will break in pieces the gates of brass, and cut in sunder the bars of iron" (Isaiah 45:1-2).

This is an amazing prophecy. Cyrus is here a type of Christ who will one day come and rescue His children from mystic Babylon and take them to the heavenly Jerusalem.

"That saith to the deep, Be dry, and I will dry up thy rivers: That saith of Cyrus, He is my shepherd, and shall perform all my pleasure: even saying to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be built; and to the temple, Thy foundation shall be laid" (Isaiah 44:27-28).

Isaiah 44:27 says that God Himself will dry up the waters of the Euphrates and this will cause Babylon’s fall by opening the way for Cyrus to enter the city. History reveals that Cyrus the Great conquered Babylon in 539 BC because the waters of the Euphrates stopped flowing. Cyrus is called a shepherd, and in Isaiah 45:1 he was called the Lord's anointed. Just as Cyrus set Israel free without price, Jesus will set His people free without price.

Just as the waters of literal Babylon dried up, so the waters of spiritual Babylon will dry up. The waters, according to Revelation 17, are the nations that support Rome. This support will begin to crumble.

"And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues" (Revelation 17:15).

Cyrus and his father-in-law Darius, a type of father and son, were the kings of the East who conquered Babylon in 539 BC when the waters of the Euphrates dried up. Who are the kings that will come to our rescue once the antitypical Euphrates dries up? If Cyrus was a type of Christ, then the antitypical kings of the East must be Christ and His Father. The prophets Isaiah and Ezekiel speak about Christ’s Second Coming:

"Who raised up the righteous man from the east, called him to his foot, gave the nations before him, and made him rule over kings? he gave them as the dust to his sword, and as driven stubble to his bow" (Isaiah 41:2).

"Afterward he brought me to the gate, even the gate that looketh toward the east: And, behold, the glory of the God of Israel came from the way of the east: and his voice was like a noise of many waters: and the earth shined with his glory" (Ezekiel 43:1-2).

Jesus will come in His glory, His Father's glory, and the glory of all the holy angels:

"Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels" (Mark 8:38).

 

[phipps]

The Seventh Plague, "And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

"And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great" (Revelation 16:17-21).

The final plague of hail will destroy the nations of the earth. Babylon will disintegrate into its three components. The greatest earthquake in history will destroy the last life on earth. Huge blocks of hail weighing over 100 pounds will end the rebellion. No one will be left. In the midst of this confusion, Christ’s people will be taken away.

In Job 38:22-23, we have a reference to this war of hail, "Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail, Which I have reserved against the time of trouble, against the day of battle and war?"

Christ is the victor in this conflict:

"And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS" (Revelation 19:11-16).

The redeemed will shout for joy when their conflict ends, because they will be taken to the heavenly Canaan.

"And it shall be said in that day, Lo, this is our God; we have waited for him, and he will save us: this is the LORD; we have waited for him, we will be glad and rejoice in his salvation" (Isaiah 25:9).

 

[AspiringSoul]

@AspiringSoul

I disagree and so does God's Word.

You disagree because it doesnt fit into your established beliefs and views...
your beliefs and views are just all over the place. i get it, some things might be subjective, but there is no subjectivity to historical fact.

the 4 Beasts of Daniel are all relative to the TEMPLE. hence the 10 horns from the 4th beast, in Daniel 7...are not any pope figures but people existing in a period where the temple either existed or will exist.
in this case, we have history proving that it's already been fulfilled

10 emperors of Rome from Augustus to Titus who ruled over the temple mount. THIS IS HISTORICAL FACT.
The temple was destroyed..and hence the story of Rome and it's emperors ends there, as far as Daniel's prophecies are concerned. they are temple centric.

likewise in Revelation 11, it says the gentiles would trample over the temple mount for 1260 days..and it is a historical fact that muslims ruled for EXACTLY 1260 LUNAR YEARS...
and then it makes perfect sense that this number 1260 is connected with the WILDERNESS IE THE ISHMAEL CONNECTION...and all the while connected with the REMNANT OF JUDEA, the true jews.

likewise, Zechariah 13 told us the remnant would remain in the holy land, not get turfed out or killed..and when you look at what Jesus instructed the true jews in Luke 21, that they were to flee to the mountains and thus survive the roman onslaught....to then return and inherit the land.
makes perfect sense..
yet history proves that those people were merged into a PALESTINIAN IDENTITY and have since adopted islam.

Thus
THEY WILL BELIEVE IN JESUS
AND
THEY WILL OBEY GODS COMMANDMENTS

this rules out christians and rules out ashkenazi jews (hence ny of those messianic ones arent even inc in this).
literally it means that amongst the palestinian people, are a group who are jewish by blood, true believers and are now under attack in the post-islamic 1260 lunar year period. it just happens that israel is obsessed with murdering their palestinian babies....and this is not a subjective argument but an actual fact that any person paying attention can see.


you have all the above..and then we have Jesus rejecting many who call him LORD..and it makes sense given LORD is the central point where in psalm 110, Jesus is adoni, whilst God is adonai. Christians have made adoni into adonai, referred to the LORD aspect of Jesus as GOD...
so if your entire belief is flawed from this single point, how the hell can you claim any type of special covenant through Jesus and isaac? you have nothing of the sort.
christianity is paganism. it's also intellectually stupid, because the true concept of the LOGOS AS GOD refers to God's Immanence IN ALL THINGS. Since the Logos IS EVERYTHING. It incarnated into Jesus, but it isnt limited to Jesus. Yet you singled out Jesus.
why? because ROME IE THE VATICAN YOU ARE HATING ON...decided to mould Jesus into the archetypal figure that submits to Roman authority.
they promote the suffering servant..and they have hijacked the davidic conquerer archetype, in an attempt to overthrow Jesus and become the sole authority themselves. Hence the cross is the symbol of roman war, conquest and imperialism...and hence the cross as a symbol of conquest of DEATH AND SIN, is a dead symbol with zero metaphysical power. As a dead symbol, christianity itself is a dead religion with nothing to offer. Neither a sound theology, nor any spiritual connection to Jesus nor God, not the holy spirit. A dead religion with demonic spirits that posess them and make them think it's the holy spirit in them.
a dead religion that doesnt even have a sense of guilt regarding sin...thinking 'we are saved no matter what we do'.
this is what the vatican wanted....peeople who are empty inside and think they are free of sin. people who were once rebelling over 10% church tithes, now paying 35-45% tax rates but happy because they are distracted with all the sin and dopaminic distractions.

islam's 1260 days are over..and islam is in the process of dying too. i have no issue saying this...but the key difference is that muslims still posess the consciousness of sin, hence Jesus is necessary for muslims. Christians are already saved, according to their beliefs..so wtf do you need Jesus for? TO CONQUER THE WORLD, right? ie you need Jesus for your ego, muslims need Jesus to help them overcome sin itself.
muslims believe in and need Jesus, christians just want to serve their flesh. that is why most of you worship israel too..basically you love the porn and gay parades those people have given you.

W for White jesus, the incell jew boy who submits to Rome. the roman-creco orientalist hero.

 

[phipps]

You disagree because it doesnt fit into your established beliefs and views...
your beliefs and views are just all over the place. I get it, some things might be subjective, but there is no subjectivity to historical fact.

I disagree because everything you post about the Bible is not in harmony with it. I don't even know where to start discussing anything biblical with you, because you don't understand even simple nuances in the Bible. You clearly don't understand biblical symbology either. You are not a Christian and do not know how to study it, that much is obvious I'm afraid.

If you really want to understand the Bible, I suggest you use a concordance. Its an in-depth index to the Bible. It keeps track of where certain names, phrases, and terms were used and lists the verse references for each of them. Concordances come in handy for topical studies, so they help to find each place in the Bible the topic is addressed. You can find a concordance online.

Obviously before studying the Word of God, we need pray and ask God for wisdom and understanding of not only what the Bible means, but how it applies. Its His Word and He inspired the writing of the Bible (2 Timothy 3:16, "All Scripture is given by inspiration of God.”; 2 Peter 1:21, “Prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.”) and we need the Holy Spirit to reveal the truth of God's Word to us because we cannot naturally understand spiritual things. James 1:5 says, "If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach, and it will be given to him."

And everything I've posted goes hand in hand with history. Look up Babylonian, Medo-Persian, Greek, pagan and papal Rome, the dark ages, the Protestant reformation etc history.

It actually amazes me how right the Bible is not only historically (Critics of the Bible have been proven wrong repeatedly as new discoveries have confirmed biblical people, places, and events) but about the natural world (confirmed by science), health (still very relevant today) and prophetically. Its truly a divinely inspired book of God. There is no other book like it and there never will be.

Bye.

 

[AspiringSoul]

I disagree because everything you post about the Bible is not in harmony with it. I don't even know where to start discussing anything biblical with you, because you don't understand even simple nuances in the Bible. You clearly don't understand biblical symbology either. You are not a Christian and do not know how to study it, that much is obvious I'm afraid.

If you really want to understand the Bible, I suggest you use a concordance. Its an in-depth index to the Bible. It keeps track of where certain names, phrases, and terms were used and lists the verse references for each of them. Concordances come in handy for topical studies, so they help to find each place in the Bible the topic is addressed. You can find a concordance online.

Obviously before studying the Word of God, we need pray and ask God for wisdom and understanding of not only what the Bible means, but how it applies. Its His Word and He inspired the writing of the Bible (2 Timothy 3:16, "All Scripture is given by inspiration of God.”; 2 Peter 1:21, “Prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.”) and we need the Holy Spirit to reveal the truth of God's Word to us because we cannot naturally understand spiritual things. James 1:5 says, "If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach, and it will be given to him."

And everything I've posted goes hand in hand with history. Look up Babylonian, Medo-Persian, Greek, pagan and papal Rome, the dark ages, the Protestant reformation etc history.

It actually amazes me how right the Bible is not only historically (Critics of the Bible have been proven wrong repeatedly as new discoveries have confirmed biblical people, places, and events) but about the natural world (confirmed by science), health (still very relevant today) and prophetically. Its truly a divinely inspired book of God. There is no other book like it and there never will be.

Bye.

1) I've studied the bible in depth many times in my life. I read the cross notes/references, I even read the transliteratons.
So for example when I quote psalm 110, I'm the one explaining to you christians that actually Jesus as 'lord', is ADONI, not ADONAI.
THE LORD/ADONAI says to my lord/adoni...'
so Jesus is adoni, not adonai.

who is more accurate to scripture between the two of us? clearly you never knew the above.



2) 'not in harmony'?
I said that the 4 beasts of Daniel aswell as the Beast of Revelation, are all only relevant in the context of a jewish temple. ]#
you denied that and claimed the Pope was the little horn..

Paul himself said that the man of lawlessness (the false jewish messiah) will stand IN THE TEMPLE and declare himself as God.
So there will be another jewish temple built on the temple mount.
Hence the beasts and associated horns are only relevant to the existence of a jewish temple. That rules out any pope figure.
In fact Zechariah 11 directly tells us God will raise another shepherd 'IN THE LAND' (ie he will be of jewish stock). The worthless shepherd who deserts the flock....there's no pope in the equation here.

3) (2 Timothy 3:16, "All Scripture is given by inspiration of God.”; 2 Peter 1:21, “Prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.”

this refers to actual prophethood and divine revelation. We are not prophets or messengers of God.

clearly your prayers to Jesus didn't work..you barely understand anything of scripture here.

 

[phipps]

How long will the plagues last?

Revelation 18:8, "Therefore her plagues will come in one day—death and mourning and famine. And she will be utterly burned with fire, for strong is the Lord God who judges her."

The plagues will probably last about one year because, time in Bible prophecy is symbolic. One prophetic day equals one literal year (Ezekiel 4:6).

What are God's acts of punishment and judgement called in the Bible?

Isaiah 28:21, "For the Lord shall rise up as in mount Perazim, he shall be wroth as in the valley of Gibeon, that he may do his work, his strange work; and bring to pass his act, his strange act."

Acts of punishment and judgment, like the plagues, are so foreign to God's nature that the Bible calls them strange. He has "no pleasure in the death of the wicked" (Ezekiel 33:11). He will however, "not at all acquit the wicked" (Nahum 1:3) or "clear the guilty" (Exodus 34:7).

 

[phipps]

Since the plagues convert no one, why does God send them?

The plagues will make very clear where every person stands by their own free choice. The sin problem will not be settled in God's universe until it becomes totally clear to all that Satan's charges against God are false, and that his plan for people brings only heartache, tragedy and woe. Further, it must become clear that every person on earth decides their own destiny by their own choice. Those who are lost would never choose to change no matter what God did to influence them (Isaiah 3:10-11).

The plagues, which would wake up a sincere, but misguided person, only confirm the wicked in their rebellion. During the seventh plague they are still blaspheming God (Revelation 16:21). Thus they reveal the spirit of rebellion which fully controls their lives. Sin cannot safely be destroyed until angels, men and the entire universe all see clearly that Satan is an incurable rebel and deceiver (1 Corinthians 4:9); that God is loving, just and caring, and that all rewards or punishments are given based on people's own choices.

The final events of earth prove that the saints would rather die than deny faith in Jesus, and that the wicked would, if permitted, kill God's people because of their rebellion and hatred of God. Thus, it will be demonstrated what the universe would be like if Satan were in control. At long last, all beings will be totally clear in regards to God's marvellous plan for people and His justice in dealing with those who rebel against Him. Finally, every knee shall bow and every tongue confess, including Satan and his angels, that God has been just and kind, and that every lost human being and angel is lost because they wilfully chose a life style of rebellion even after fully understanding the folly of sin and disobedience. Then, and only then, can sin and sinner safely be destroyed (Romans 14:11, Philippians 2:10-11).

 

[TokiEl]

“The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority for one hour as kings with the beast. These are of one mind, and they will give their power and authority to the beast. These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, for He is Lord of lords and King of kings; and those who are with Him are called, chosen, and faithful. And the ten horns which you saw on the beast, these will hate the harlot, make her desolate and naked, eat her flesh and burn her with fire. " (Revelation 17:12-14, 16).

The “ten horns” are the nations of Europe and all the earth (it is not wise to be dogmatic on unfulfilled prophecy when God has not made the matter crystal clear) that rally under the banner of Rome (Daniel 7:7, 24; Revelation 16:14). They are also called “The waters which you saw, where the harlot sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues.” (verse 15) and “They that dwell on the earth…whose names were not written in the book of life” (See Revelation 13:8).

These nations give the end-time church-state alliance, which is Babylon the great, all of their strength to make war against Jesus, the Lamb, and His people who keep God’s commandments and have the faith of Jesus.

The nations of the world will support Babylon’s enforcement of the mark of the beast. They will enforce her decree, and those who disobey will not be allowed to buy or sell. Ultimately, they support legislation calling for the death of God’s people (Revelation 12:17; 13:11-18; 14:12). However, when Jesus delivers His faithful followers (Revelation 19:11-20) the multitudes who have supported the great whore finally realize that they have been deceived and that they are eternally lost.

Enraged, they will turn upon their religious leaders (verse 16). Thus, by God’s will, the punishment of the harlot of Babylon is carried out in part by her own allies.

The Whore of Babylon is the great city which reigns over the kings of the earth... which will be destroyed by the beast and the ten horns... so that the beast and the ten horns will reign instead of the great city who is the Whore of Babylon.



It's an enigmatic passage where time will be the interpreter.

 

[phipps]

​

 

[A Freeman]

This is Babylon

Mystery Babylon's migration, transformation and infiltration into every worldly institution, revealed in unprecedented detail during her final days.

gibraltar-messenger.net

 

[phipps]

A "Thus saith the Lord" is not to be set aside for a "Thus saith the church" or a "Thus saith the state." The crown of Christ is to be lifted above the diadems of earthly potentates. Gospel workers (1915).

 

[phipps]

Close Your Mind to Conformity.

When it comes to compromising the Word of God, don’t have an open mind. You’re going to be called a conservative extremist for not accepting the standards of the world. But don’t be intimidated when you are accused of being “close-minded.” It is good to be closed minded regarding the commandments of God.

The devil is setting up the church in the last days by preaching a message of unity through compromise. Little by little, he’s softening up our resolve, encouraging us to make little concessions and compromises so that when that big test comes, he has us where he wants us.

Read Daniel 3 and bear with my loose paraphrase. Nebuchadnezzar said to Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, “So you didn’t bow down? I’ll tell you what: I don’t want to lose you; you’re good workers. I’ll give you another chance and have the band play the music one more time. Perhaps you just want a little different song? But when you hear the sound, you need to bow down.”

But the three young Hebrews resolutely told the king he need not waste his time on them. “O Nebuchadnezzar, we are not careful to answer thee in this matter. If it be so, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and he will deliver us out of thine hand, O king. But if not, be it known unto thee, O king, that we will not serve thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up” (Daniel 3:16-19). They didn’t negotiate, even when the devil tried to engage them. The devil would rather have you die after you’ve disobeyed than die a martyr and be a victorious example. But if you die in this world upholding the Word, you will live in the next. So today we need to be faithful in that which is least. We may not think the little tests we face now are a matter of life and death, but if we can’t learn arithmetic with pennies, we will never understand it with dollars. If we compromise and conform now in the little things with no death threat hanging over our heads, what are we likely to do when we are threatened with imprisonment or death?

Link.

 

[phipps]

BABYLON IS FALLEN IS FALLEN - -SINS OF BABYLON!!!

“Babylon the great is fallen” (Revelation 18:2).
“... and has become a dwelling place of demons, a prison for every foul spirit. ... By your sorcery all the nations were deceived” (Revelation 18:2, 23). “The inhabitants of the earth were made drunk” from the wine of abomination and fornication found in her cup (Revelation 17:2, 4; 18:3). “The kings of the earth have committed fornication with her” (Revelation 18:3).

To fall means to turn away from Bible truth and the worship of the true God (2 Peter 3:17-18). Thus, God is indicting Babylon for: (1) conferring with devils by inviting evil spirits into its midst through spiritism and for (2) deceiving virtually the entire world through lying, demonic spirits. Lies are a type of abomination in the Bible (Proverbs 12:22). Babylon’s wine, which contains false teachings, disorients and benumbs those who drink it and makes them spiritually drunk. In contrast, the church is the bride of Christ (Revelation 19:7), and loves Him and is loyal to Him only—which Jesus said means keeping His commandments (John 14:15).

Therefore, the papacy is censured here for turning away from her husband, Jesus (James 4:4) and for forming illicit relationships with civil governments (union of church and state) for her support. In addition, Babylon traffics in the “souls of men” (Revelation 18:11-13); thus, God denounces Babylon for treating people as merchandise rather than as precious children of God."

"What final, urgent appeal will Jesus make to those who are in Babylon?
Answer: He will say, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues. For her sins have reached to heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities” (Revelation 18:4-5).
Please notice that Jesus refers to many people in Babylon as “my people.” There are millions of sincere Christians in Babylon who have not yet heard this warning message. These people love the Lord supremely, and Jesus says they are His children.

How will people who love Jesus but who are now in Babylon respond when they hear His appeal to come out?
Answer: Jesus says, “Other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd. ... My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me” (John 10:16, 27). Jesus recognizes His children who are in Babylon. Further, He promises to call them out of Babylon before it is destroyed. And, most glorious of all, Jesus promises that His people who are yet in Babylon will hear and recognize His voice and come out to safety.

If you are in Babylon, are you willing to heed Jesus’ urgent appeal to come out of her?"

 

[AspiringSoul]

mystery babylon is the current system. it is ruled by the whore of babylon, the synagogue of satan.
the same form of xtianity that produced mystery babylon on behalf of the whore, in fact the same form of xtianity that invited the whore in and gave her power....is none other than protestantism.

the most delusional people on earth, protestants.
they used to rebel against the catholic church over 10% church tithes, but they pay their ashkenazi overlords 35-45% tax and that doesnt inc the VAT or council tax.
to think that people could not stomach paying 10% and they had more posessions than the ave person today.

what is a house?
it's just a foundation with the groundwork (pipes/sewage/gas/elecric supply). the rest is just bricks, wood and mortar. when you examine a house, you have to wonder how you're paying £300k for a shoebox in the uk. $1m minimum in canada for a slightly bigger one.

humanity has been robbed...and all for the dream of a masonic gay israel.

 

[phipps]

Matthew 24:14, "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come."