Artificial Intelligence and the Singularity

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Sounds a lot like what Black Mirror warns about and/or cautions against.
 

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Black Mirror? you lost me...
Sorry. I assume everyone's seen Black Mirror. It's a TV show (excuse the language in this clip).

There's quite a few shows with characters who uploaded their "digital consciousness" and actual consciousness with good to terrible results. Scary stuff.

 

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What do you mean with "this beast"? You mean an intelligence more intelligent than their "creator"?

I mean it's like this: mankind always wanted to invent, to find out, to move forward in technology. I can see nothing wrong with it. The only problem I see was always the way of using technologys, nuclear bomb for example. The technology is groundbreaking, it's a question of how to use it.

Of course artificial intelligence is kind of different; we're not creating just a machine, in the future one of the biggest questions will be: does artificial intelligence has feelings and therefore rights?
And this question will lead to a lot of other questions: What is the definition of intelligence? Is there something like a soul? What makes us as unique as we think we are?

If you ask me, and I already had a little interesting debate about this with Mecca in another thread: we are "machines" as well. Our brain is running on electricity, the rest of our body is just organic material. If you can extract or copy what we call our consciousness, then you can copy "individuals".

What some people define as soul is in my opinion just the combination of our DNA, the experiences in pregnancy (through mother) and our experiences in life. If you've read "Brave New World" then you know what the future in giving birth may look like.

So, conclusively, AI is just the next logical step in human history. No one knows what happens if AI is starting to make questions (actually this already happens). But I think we (mankind) all agree that the effects on society will be gigantic.
 

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What do you mean with "this beast"? You mean an intelligence more intelligent than their "creator"?

I mean it's like this: mankind always wanted to invent, to find out, to move forward in technology. I can see nothing wrong with it. The only problem I see was always the way of using technologys, nuclear bomb for example. The technology is groundbreaking, it's a question of how to use it.

Of course artificial intelligence is kind of different; we're not creating just a machine, in the future one of the biggest questions will be: does artificial intelligence has feelings and therefore rights?
And this question will lead to a lot of other questions: What is the definition of intelligence? Is there something like a soul? What makes us as unique as we think we are?

If you ask me, and I already had a little interesting debate about this with Mecca in another thread: we are "machines" as well. Our brain is running on electricity, the rest of our body is just organic material. If you can extract or copy what we call our consciousness, then you can copy "individuals".

What some people define as soul is in my opinion just the combination of our DNA, the experiences in pregnancy (through mother) and our experiences in life. If you've read "Brave New World" then you know what the future in giving birth may look like.

So, conclusively, AI is just the next logical step in human history. No one knows what happens if AI is starting to make questions (actually this already happens). But I think we (mankind) all agree that the effects on society will be gigantic.
"Beast" may be a misnomer, perhaps more in the sense of creature, as in a created being. Nevertheless, it's still an open question whether it is "good", benign or evil. After all, there are a lot of human dictators that thought they were doing mankind a "service". Look how well that turned out... Also, if the human conscience can be warped into believing it is right to hate your enemy as a moral imperative, think of an artificial intelligence with the machiavellian "end justifies the means" view of morality.
 

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(...) think of an artificial intelligence with the machiavellian "end justifies the means" view of morality.
Just asking: wouldn't that be better than the situation we have right now? I didn't read Machiavelli until now but what could be worse than what we now call our "society", money over nature and therefore life? Or in other words: better dead than poor / less luxury?

Think of an artificial intelligence realizing that nature should be protected by all means, knowing that the world as we know it, is dedicated to collapse and therefore future is only a word and no realistic perspective.
Seriously: what could be worse than the situation we have right now?

If an intelligence more intelligent than we are as a collective (what really isn't that difficult) steps in the game, I wouldn't be afraid, I would be saying: "Let's get it on!".

Should this intelligence be artificial? I don't know, probably not. But if this "thing" makes this world a better place to live, I'm down for it.
 

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Technocracy Rising

The dark horse of the New World Order is not Communism, Socialism or Fascism. It is Technocracy.

With meticulous detail and an abundance of original research, Patrick M. Wood uses Technocracy Rising to connect the dots of modern globalization in a way that has never been seen before so that the reader can clearly understand the globalization plan, its perpetrators and its intended endgame.

In the heat of the Great Depression during the 1930s, prominent scientists and engineers proposed a utopian energy-based economic system called Technocracy that would be run by those same scientists and engineers instead of elected politicians. Although this radical movement lost momentum by 1940, it regained status when it was conceptually adopted by the elitist Trilateral Commission (co-founded by Zbigniew Brzezinski and David Rockefeller) in 1973 to be become its so-called "New International Economic Order."

In the ensuing 41 years, the modern expression of Technocracy and the New International Economic Order is clearly seen in global programs such as Agenda 21, Sustainable Development, Green Economy, Councils of Governments, Smart Growth, Smart Grid, Total Awareness surveillance initiatives and more.

Wood contends that the only logical outcome of Technocracy is Scientific Dictatorship, as already seen in dystopian literature such as Brave New World by Aldous Huxley (1932) and Nineteen Eighty-Four by George Orwell (1948), both of whom looked straight into the face of Technocracy when it was still in its infancy.

With over 250 footnotes, an extensive bibliography and clarity of writing style, Wood challenges the reader to new levels of insight and understanding into the clear and present danger of Technocracy, and how Americans might be able to reject it once again.

https://books.google.co.uk/books/about/Technocracy_Rising.html?id=A8_prQEACAAJ&source=kp_book_description&redir_esc=y
 

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Of course artificial intelligence is kind of different; we're not creating just a machine, in the future one of the biggest questions will be: does artificial intelligence has feelings and therefore rights?
I don't think it's even possible to distinguish between a robot/AI that accurately mimics feelings/emotions and true sentience. If AI or robots ever got to that level, we probably wouldn't be able to determine whether they're alive or not. I would assume that they are not truly sentient though because sentience is a product of being a biological life form.
 

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I don't think it's even possible to distinguish between a robot/AI that accurately mimics feelings/emotions and true sentience. If AI or robots ever got to that level, we probably wouldn't be able to determine whether they're alive or not. I would assume that they are not truly sentient though because sentience is a product of being a biological life form.
Ok, but -

Are angelic or demonic beings sentient?
 

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Ok, but -
Are angelic or demonic beings sentient?
Could you please keep this discussion to the religious forum? Thanks.
I don't think it's even possible to distinguish between a robot/AI that accurately mimics feelings/emotions and true sentience. If AI or robots ever got to that level, we probably wouldn't be able to determine whether they're alive or not. I would assume that they are not truly sentient though because sentience is a product of being a biological life form.
I don't agree. Sentience is a feeling, all feelings are created in our brains. Like pain for example. But there are people on this planet who don't feel pain (genetical "defect"), like there are people on this planet who don't know what sentience is or feels like because their parents didn't trained them to be empathic, just examples.

I don't know if the Threadstarter wanted this discussion or a different one, no response in here.
I already know your opinion Mecca and we were "stuck" on a point where the border to spirituality is, right?

Anyway, I searched for some videos to bring up some facts.

 

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Could you please keep this discussion to the religious forum? Thanks.

I don't agree. Sentience is a feeling, all feelings are created in our brains. Like pain for example. But there are people on this planet who don't feel pain (genetical "defect"), like there are people on this planet who don't know what sentience is or feels like because their parents didn't trained them to be empathic, just examples.

I don't know if the Threadstarter wanted this discussion or a different one, no response in here.
I already know your opinion Mecca and we were "stuck" on a point where the border to spirituality is, right?

Anyway, I searched for some videos to bring up some facts.

Of course, @TruthSucker - I will leave you to this discussion without reference to the spritual elements which may one day interact with it. Hasta pronto.
 

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I don't agree. Sentience is a feeling, all feelings are created in our brains. Like pain for example. But there are people on this planet who don't feel pain (genetical "defect"), like there are people on this planet who don't know what sentience is or feels like because their parents didn't trained them to be empathic, just examples.
You don't necessarily need to feel pain or empathy to be alive and sentient. Sentience is a product of a biological brain, robots and AI don't have biological brains, they are digital. If we get to the point where they appear to be sentient, I don't see how it would be possible to tell if they are simply well coded or truly alive.
I already know your opinion Mecca and we were "stuck" on a point where the border to spirituality is, right?
I don't remember.
 

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I think the question in the OP draws out our presuppositions...

If I were a materialist / evolutionist I would conclude that consciousness and sentience were an attribute of highly evolved organic matter. That fine tuning by natural selection would have provided an ideal environment through which sentience might develop.

As this host for intelligent life is essentially a highly organised, electrically charged system I could conclude on this logic that if man were to press fast forward on the aeons of randomness he might be able to produce with intelligence and skill what he presently concludes arose by chance - sentience.

I don't see why those who take the view above would insist that such life could only arise in our specific combination of amino acids, electrical impulses and lipids. Could that logic not lead to the view that silicon might serve just as well?

I don't personally hold to such a view (no surprise!) but I do understand it.

I think if Sophia the robot (or similar) suddenly claimed to have been downloaded into from an extraterrestrial intelligence, and that we too could travel the universe in our ascended higher self state (once we had been shown how) there would be many people, untroubled by Revelation 13 who would gladly want to be part of the new paradigm.
 

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http://allnewspipeline.com/Will_Cyborgs_Reign_In_The_Post_Human_Era.php

Read Between The Lines When Globalists Push For A 'Post Human Future' While Emphasizing: 'The End Is Already Beginning!'
- DARPA's Investing Millions To Allow Human Brains To Communicate Directly With Machines


By Stefan Stanford - All News Pipeline - Live Free Or Die
In this August 25th story over at NBC News, they reported that while for thousands of years, human beings have reigned over our planet as the only intelligent and self-aware species, 'that could soon change, perhaps in our lifetimes' and as their story reported, 'not long after that, homo sapiens could vanish from the Earth entirely'.

Also reporting that 'Cyborgs will replace humans and remake the world' and 'Our supremacy as the prime understanders of the cosmos is rapidly coming to end', that NBC story was just one of several that has come out within the past few weeks reporting we are rapidly entering a 'post-human age'.

As NBC reported, author James Lovelock explains in his new book called "Novacene" that those who will rule over the future 'will have designed and built themselves' with Lovelock claiming 'the self-sufficient, self-aware descendants of today’s robots and artificial intelligence systems', what he calls the 'Novacene', which literally means the 'new new age', will be the 'new supremacists' of that 'new new age' that doesn't include 'homo sapiens'.

So while leftists and the msm continue to insanely scream 'white supremacist' about what's happening in America today, with a wise shift in America towards 'nationalism' and the abandonment of 'globalism' and all of its failures, the 'supremacists' of the future likely won't be fully 'human' at all. And as the NBC News story warns, soon after that time, there may not be any room for human beings in the world, left nor right, we'll all simply be looked at by the 'new rulers' of our planet as part of the background, like the trees or plants are to most human beings.

The following excerpt comes to us from their story in a section titled "The end is already beginning".

The first stages of the Novacene are already underway, Lovelock argues. He cites the example of AlphaZero, a computer program that taught itself to play the game Go — and then quickly went on to become the world’s best Go player. Today's computers can already process data far faster than we can; with fully independent artificial intelligence, he says, tomorrow’s cyborgs will easily become a million times smarter than we are.

Lovelock imagines cyborgs filling every evolutionary niche on the planet. “I think of cyborgs as another kingdom of life,” he says. “They will stand to us in much the same way as we ourselves, as a kingdom of animals, stand to plants.”

What would cyborgs look like? Lovelock is intentionally vague because he expects that they'll rethink the basic rules of design in ways that we puny humans cannot imagine. “Cyborgs would start again; like Alpha Zero they would start from a blank slate,” he writes in his book. He speculates that they might look like spheres, though when pressed he says, “It’s entirely possible they would have no form at all,” existing mostly as virtual forms inside computers.


Whatever their form, the cyborgs will be so far beyond us in intellect that they may dismiss us as part of the planet's background landscape. Alternatively, they might appreciate us in much the way that we appreciate plants. This possibility appeals to Lovelock, who likes to spend days in the garden around his cottage home in Dorset, England. “Think about the way you go to a great arboretum,” he says.

Once established, the cyborgs will remain dominant on our planet. “The Novacene,” Lovelock says, “will probably be the final era of life on Earth."


And while that might sound like a huge stretch to some and an impossibility to others, four new stories out over the past week+ show us how insanely fast we're already moving towards that monstrous possibility of a morphing between man and machines whether we like it or not. We'll take a look at each of those stories in much more detail further below but first, their titles.:

"Scariest Thing You'll Read All Day": Report Sounds Alarm Over Brain-Reading Technology and Neurocapitalism "Your brain, the final privacy frontier, may not be private much longer.

"Brain-reading tech is coming. The law is not ready to protect us. In the era of neurocapitalism, your brain needs new rights.

Silicon Valley’s final frontier for mobile payments — ‘the neoliberal takeover of the human body’

Mind-reading AI may spell end to humanity as we know it, but not because it will enslave us
 

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https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/02/eric-schmidt-says-hes-eyeing-biology-for-the-next-computing-frontier.html

Former Google CEO Eric Schmidt believes biology is the next frontier in computing
PUBLISHED WED, OCT 2 20199:39 AM EDT UPDATED WED, OCT 2 201910:42 AM EDT

Jennifer Elias@JENN_ELIAS
  • Former CEO Eric Schmidt said biology is in a “golden period,” making it perfect for tech.
  • Schmidt said data from human eyes will generate new algorithms.
  • He also said computing and biology need each other now more than ever.

Eric Schmidt, Google’s executive chairman
Adam Jeffery | CNBC

Brain inserts and carbon-absorbing bacteria aren’t just the fantasies of Silicon Valley’s richest executives, they’re also a part of a larger hope to advance artificial intelligence and computing efforts.

“Biology will undoubtedly fuel computing” in coming years, former Google CEO and current technical advisor Eric Schmidt said at a conference called SynBioBeta in San Francisco Monday. “Taking biology, which I’d always viewed as squishy and analog, and turning it into something that can be digitally manipulated, is an enormous accelerator.”

Schmidt’s comments come as Silicon Valley’s seeming obsession with biology attempts to move beyond fascinating projects and into more serious investments that could help modernize tech processes.

Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg this year announced he and his wife Priscilla Chan would donate $68 million to support the mapping of all the cells in the human body. Facebook also recently acquired a company called CTRL Labs that lets you control computers with your mind. And Neuralink, a start-up once backed by Elon Musk, announced its brain-computer will start trials on humans next year.

“I’m always interested in the question: What is changing the fastest right now? Because whatever that is determining the history of next year,” Schmidt told the crowd. “There’s lot of evidence that biology is in that golden period right now.”

He gave examples of vision data aiding computing advances and smart assistants bolstering biological research and medical cure advances. “The way the eye and the vision works and so forth, will undoubtedly generate algorithms that are very powerful that we don’t fully understand right now,” Schmidt said.

Under Schmidt, Google’s made several early vision-related investments and most faced snags. Alphabet’s life sciences company Verily tried creating smart contact lenses, which aimed to measure blood sugar levels in tears. It has also filed patents for eye-tracking and, of course, who can forget the infamously defunct Google Glass.

“It’s easy to come up with movie recommendations or YouTube recommendations, because we have millions of data points of people like you,” Schmidt said. “We don’t have an analogous amount of data in biology yet.”

Schmidt said he’d like to marry the two worlds as quickly as possible. At one point, he asked the crowd to “build bacteria that absorbs CO2,” adding “We need it at scale and we need it in the next 10 to 15 years.”
 
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