Artificial Intelligence and the Singularity

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Sounds a lot like what Black Mirror warns about and/or cautions against.
 





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Black Mirror? you lost me...
Sorry. I assume everyone's seen Black Mirror. It's a TV show (excuse the language in this clip).

There's quite a few shows with characters who uploaded their "digital consciousness" and actual consciousness with good to terrible results. Scary stuff.

 





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What do you mean with "this beast"? You mean an intelligence more intelligent than their "creator"?

I mean it's like this: mankind always wanted to invent, to find out, to move forward in technology. I can see nothing wrong with it. The only problem I see was always the way of using technologys, nuclear bomb for example. The technology is groundbreaking, it's a question of how to use it.

Of course artificial intelligence is kind of different; we're not creating just a machine, in the future one of the biggest questions will be: does artificial intelligence has feelings and therefore rights?
And this question will lead to a lot of other questions: What is the definition of intelligence? Is there something like a soul? What makes us as unique as we think we are?

If you ask me, and I already had a little interesting debate about this with Mecca in another thread: we are "machines" as well. Our brain is running on electricity, the rest of our body is just organic material. If you can extract or copy what we call our consciousness, then you can copy "individuals".

What some people define as soul is in my opinion just the combination of our DNA, the experiences in pregnancy (through mother) and our experiences in life. If you've read "Brave New World" then you know what the future in giving birth may look like.

So, conclusively, AI is just the next logical step in human history. No one knows what happens if AI is starting to make questions (actually this already happens). But I think we (mankind) all agree that the effects on society will be gigantic.
 





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What do you mean with "this beast"? You mean an intelligence more intelligent than their "creator"?

I mean it's like this: mankind always wanted to invent, to find out, to move forward in technology. I can see nothing wrong with it. The only problem I see was always the way of using technologys, nuclear bomb for example. The technology is groundbreaking, it's a question of how to use it.

Of course artificial intelligence is kind of different; we're not creating just a machine, in the future one of the biggest questions will be: does artificial intelligence has feelings and therefore rights?
And this question will lead to a lot of other questions: What is the definition of intelligence? Is there something like a soul? What makes us as unique as we think we are?

If you ask me, and I already had a little interesting debate about this with Mecca in another thread: we are "machines" as well. Our brain is running on electricity, the rest of our body is just organic material. If you can extract or copy what we call our consciousness, then you can copy "individuals".

What some people define as soul is in my opinion just the combination of our DNA, the experiences in pregnancy (through mother) and our experiences in life. If you've read "Brave New World" then you know what the future in giving birth may look like.

So, conclusively, AI is just the next logical step in human history. No one knows what happens if AI is starting to make questions (actually this already happens). But I think we (mankind) all agree that the effects on society will be gigantic.
"Beast" may be a misnomer, perhaps more in the sense of creature, as in a created being. Nevertheless, it's still an open question whether it is "good", benign or evil. After all, there are a lot of human dictators that thought they were doing mankind a "service". Look how well that turned out... Also, if the human conscience can be warped into believing it is right to hate your enemy as a moral imperative, think of an artificial intelligence with the machiavellian "end justifies the means" view of morality.
 





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(...) think of an artificial intelligence with the machiavellian "end justifies the means" view of morality.
Just asking: wouldn't that be better than the situation we have right now? I didn't read Machiavelli until now but what could be worse than what we now call our "society", money over nature and therefore life? Or in other words: better dead than poor / less luxury?

Think of an artificial intelligence realizing that nature should be protected by all means, knowing that the world as we know it, is dedicated to collapse and therefore future is only a word and no realistic perspective.
Seriously: what could be worse than the situation we have right now?

If an intelligence more intelligent than we are as a collective (what really isn't that difficult) steps in the game, I wouldn't be afraid, I would be saying: "Let's get it on!".

Should this intelligence be artificial? I don't know, probably not. But if this "thing" makes this world a better place to live, I'm down for it.
 





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Of course artificial intelligence is kind of different; we're not creating just a machine, in the future one of the biggest questions will be: does artificial intelligence has feelings and therefore rights?
I don't think it's even possible to distinguish between a robot/AI that accurately mimics feelings/emotions and true sentience. If AI or robots ever got to that level, we probably wouldn't be able to determine whether they're alive or not. I would assume that they are not truly sentient though because sentience is a product of being a biological life form.
 





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I don't think it's even possible to distinguish between a robot/AI that accurately mimics feelings/emotions and true sentience. If AI or robots ever got to that level, we probably wouldn't be able to determine whether they're alive or not. I would assume that they are not truly sentient though because sentience is a product of being a biological life form.
Ok, but -

Are angelic or demonic beings sentient?
 





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Ok, but -
Are angelic or demonic beings sentient?
Could you please keep this discussion to the religious forum? Thanks.
I don't think it's even possible to distinguish between a robot/AI that accurately mimics feelings/emotions and true sentience. If AI or robots ever got to that level, we probably wouldn't be able to determine whether they're alive or not. I would assume that they are not truly sentient though because sentience is a product of being a biological life form.
I don't agree. Sentience is a feeling, all feelings are created in our brains. Like pain for example. But there are people on this planet who don't feel pain (genetical "defect"), like there are people on this planet who don't know what sentience is or feels like because their parents didn't trained them to be empathic, just examples.

I don't know if the Threadstarter wanted this discussion or a different one, no response in here.
I already know your opinion Mecca and we were "stuck" on a point where the border to spirituality is, right?

Anyway, I searched for some videos to bring up some facts.

 





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Could you please keep this discussion to the religious forum? Thanks.

I don't agree. Sentience is a feeling, all feelings are created in our brains. Like pain for example. But there are people on this planet who don't feel pain (genetical "defect"), like there are people on this planet who don't know what sentience is or feels like because their parents didn't trained them to be empathic, just examples.

I don't know if the Threadstarter wanted this discussion or a different one, no response in here.
I already know your opinion Mecca and we were "stuck" on a point where the border to spirituality is, right?

Anyway, I searched for some videos to bring up some facts.

Of course, @TruthSucker - I will leave you to this discussion without reference to the spritual elements which may one day interact with it. Hasta pronto.
 





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I don't agree. Sentience is a feeling, all feelings are created in our brains. Like pain for example. But there are people on this planet who don't feel pain (genetical "defect"), like there are people on this planet who don't know what sentience is or feels like because their parents didn't trained them to be empathic, just examples.
You don't necessarily need to feel pain or empathy to be alive and sentient. Sentience is a product of a biological brain, robots and AI don't have biological brains, they are digital. If we get to the point where they appear to be sentient, I don't see how it would be possible to tell if they are simply well coded or truly alive.
I already know your opinion Mecca and we were "stuck" on a point where the border to spirituality is, right?
I don't remember.
 





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I think the question in the OP draws out our presuppositions...

If I were a materialist / evolutionist I would conclude that consciousness and sentience were an attribute of highly evolved organic matter. That fine tuning by natural selection would have provided an ideal environment through which sentience might develop.

As this host for intelligent life is essentially a highly organised, electrically charged system I could conclude on this logic that if man were to press fast forward on the aeons of randomness he might be able to produce with intelligence and skill what he presently concludes arose by chance - sentience.

I don't see why those who take the view above would insist that such life could only arise in our specific combination of amino acids, electrical impulses and lipids. Could that logic not lead to the view that silicon might serve just as well?

I don't personally hold to such a view (no surprise!) but I do understand it.

I think if Sophia the robot (or similar) suddenly claimed to have been downloaded into from an extraterrestrial intelligence, and that we too could travel the universe in our ascended higher self state (once we had been shown how) there would be many people, untroubled by Revelation 13 who would gladly want to be part of the new paradigm.