Are Satan And Lucifer The Same Being?

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  1. llleopard

    llleopard Established

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    Satan was a murderer from the beginning. (John 8v44) Lucifer was Son of the Morning (Isaiah 14v 12) Are those compatible, and how does 'the Devil' fit in? Are they all the same being with different names, and if so, how?
    My daughter asked me what Satan's powers were in comparison to God, and I found that I had no coherant answer in my head or reasons to back up my thoughts. Consequently I told her I wasn't sure, but went with the 'Satan is Lucifer, a fallen angel and therefore has the powers of an angel, not a god' line.
    I would appreciate answers from any religious or spiritual perspective, not necessarily just Christian :)
     
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  2. Yahda

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    The serpent was in genesis.

    Satan is an angel of the Lord.

    Devil was never mentioned in the OT. The word mentioned was always devilS. Never once mentioned in singular form.

    V 14:28, 14:19-22 gives you an idea as to who Isaiah 14:12 is referring to. This is someone cast into a tomb, with children, ancestors....the whole 9.

    This whole devil slash Satan being ruler of the earth is a Christian misconception. These are many different characters jumbled into one thanks to Christianity.
     
  3. seekinheart

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    I always thought Lucifer was before the fall, it was the name given to the angelic being, satan is what that being became in simplest terms.
     
  4. Red Sky at Morning

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    I agree - the name Devil is used to refer to Satan's activities - the accuser.

    Satan is not the only figure to have numerous names in the Bible, reflecting various attributes... Think "Son of Man", "Angel of the Lord", "Lion of the Tribe of Judah" etc
     
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  5. Yahda

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    Whoever lucifer, Satan, the devil, the opposer is.....it should be told through scriptures and not assumptions and guesses
     
  6. Red Sky at Morning

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    Which scriptures would you regard as admissable on this question?
     
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  7. Yahda

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    Ijs. Seems like common sense to me. Stick to the scriptures, no guessing or assuming.

    Is it true or false that Christians have wrapped the devil/lucifer/Satan/the falling one/bright morning star....all into one ?

    When for one as I mentioned devil was never mentioned in singular form.

    Two, Christian claim Satan is the ruler of the earth when in Job....long after the serpent in genesis, Satan was still answering to God.

    Three, Jesus calls himself the bright morning star in revelations......

    It's obvious that something is not right with Christianity interpretations.
     
  8. JoChris

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    lower case god - Satan.
    Upper case God - the one true God.
     
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  9. Yahda

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    FYI there are gods.

    Micah 4:5 For all the people will walk. Each in the name of their gods/idols and we will walk in the name of the Lord our God forever and ever.
     
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  10. Red Sky at Morning

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    You might find Michael Heiser's perspective interesting on this point...

     
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  11. Aero

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    No they aren't the same being. That would be like saying the Ancient Egyptian god "Set" is also the devil from Christianity. Different religions equals different Gods.

    Your religion might give you a lot of room to believe what you want. But Zeus is still Zeus. Even if there is a guy from the Bible just like him.
     
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  12. Red Sky at Morning

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    You crack open an interesting question. Anyone interested in it ought to check out the following rabbit hole ;-)

    The Great Inception: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdGiuAsSLdJU8ILvbx9HLaxk-aoRrTh2c
     
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  13. SpectralIX

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    Definitely an interesting question. And just because I like to think outside the box, I'm now wondering why that would be. Did the Christian God only preside over the specific lands and persons whose experiences are recorded in the Bible? Does that same God not also preside over Egypt, Maya, Greece, etc etc? Seems like we're opening a huge can of worms with this discussion. It either indicates that the Christian God is not fully omnipotent and does not preside over all of creation (and is merely called by different names due to the differences in cultures, language, etc), or that it is cultures who create their own Gods through their interpretations of their spiritual experiences. Feels like a meaty topic :)
     
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  14. Red Sky at Morning

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    You might find "The Great Inception" very interesting as well... by Derek Gilbert btw
     
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    I find it odd that some crack on so called interpretations while using interpretations.
     
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  16. Violette

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    I've always just assumed Lucifer was the angel but after he was cast down he became Satan. Moloch, Baal, Saturn, Baphomet, Pan...it's the same thing over and over. Idk if all those guys are supposed to be Satan but they seem to have a lot of similarities
     
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  17. Red Sky at Morning

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    Backing up a bit...

    If Lucifer was a real spiritual being who fell and became "Satan", would he wish to stick to the name he was given in his fallen state, or would he be more likely to 'make like Madonna' and continually 're-invent' himself for different cultures and eras?

    Just sayin'...
     
  18. Raquel

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    Lucifer is the one who has illumination; bearer of knowledge;
    Satan is a "title" that was given to Lucifer. Means accuser; opponent; that is what lucifer became when he rebelled against God.
     
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  19. mecca

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    If you look up the definition of Lucifer it says "Another name for Satan".
     
  20. Raquel

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    And Lucifer want to be a God. He has a huge power, but it's not the same as God.
    He can't create something from nothing, only manipulate what already exists.
     
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