Are black lives at risk? Not by the police or any other race.

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Some things should not be overlooked in media disinformation and radical left indoctrination. I want the data I share in another thread to appear more.

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From Wikipedia:
Homicide
According to the US Department of Justice, African Americans accounted for 52.5% of all homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008, with Whites 45.3% and "Other" 2.2%. The offending rate for African Americans was almost eight times higher than Whites, and the victim rate six times higher. Most homicides were intraracial, with 84% of White victims killed by Whites and 93% of African American victims killed by African Americans.[65][66][67]

In 2013, African Americans accounted for 52.2% of all murder arrests, with Whites 45.3% and Asians/indigenous Americans 2.5%. Of the above, 21.7% were Hispanic.[68][69]

Blacks account for the majority of gun homicide victims and arrestees in the US while Whites (including Hispanics) account for the majority of non-gun homicide victims and arrestees. Of the gun murder victims in the United States between 2007 and 2016, 57% were black, 40.6% white (including Hispanic), 1.35% Asian, 0.98% unknown race and 0.48% indigenous American. Non-gun homicides represented about 30% of total murders in the time period. Blacks were also over-represented in such homicides, although only by about 2.5 times their share of the general population.[70] Of the non-gun murder victims in the United States between 2007 to 2016, 61.5% were white (including Hispanic), 32.9% black, 2.29% Asian, 1.89% unknown race and 1.43% indigenous American.[71]

Youth crime
The "National Youth Gang Survey Analysis" (2011) state that of gang members, 46% are Hispanic/Latino, 35% are black, 11.5% are white, and 7% are other races/ethnicities.[75]

According to the FBI Uniform Crime Reports, in the year 2008 black youths, who make up 16% of the youth population, accounted for 52% of juvenile violent crime arrests, including 58.5% of youth arrests for homicide and 67% for robbery. Black youths were overrepresented in all offense categories except DUI, liquor laws and drunkenness. Racial disparities in arrest have consistently been far less among older population groups.[76]

Robbery
According to the National Crime Victimization Survey in 2002, robberies with white victims and black offenders were more than 12 times more common than vice versa.

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A research involving 2014-2015
Table 2 Victim and incident characteristics of 603 Firearm LIH cases in NVDRS 2014–2015

In 92 percent of cases, the criminal is armed.

White, non-Hispanic 53.6% (323)
Black, non-Hispanic 25.0% (151)
Hispanic 15.3% (92)
Other 6.1% (37)

It seems fair by crime rates. Only these two years, unarmed blacks 35 percent of 8 percent. But in other years the situation is different.2019(*)
 
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Those facts don't give people an excuse to whip themselves into a frenzy, blame/hate people of a targeted skin color (in this case white), and then loot, riot, assault and murder.
Need to say this? I don't have to say 50 words about the facts and 500 words to say "I'm not really discriminatory, I'm not really racist, I'm not even white, sorry sorry sorry sorry". I don't have to follow the rules of discourse of political correctness. VC admin is doing this too. Not necessary.
 

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It’s kinda sad when you have to equate the behavior of criminals with the behavior of authorities sworn to uphold the law to make your case. Criminality isn’t in question, police conduct is. Police shouldn’t be criminals. And if they are they should be treated like all other criminals.

Showing that black people commit more crime - seriously even if they committed ALL crime - does not change this fact. 35% of black people killed by police (By gunshot only - remember) according to your own stats posed no threat to law enforcement. 33% of white people posed no threat. Those are the numbers you need to compare to see if there is a statistically significant difference. My argument the entire time has been there shouldn’t be one death of any race that fits in this category.
 

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Didn't Covid teach people that stats can be manipulated?
the African American community in the US were given an image of criminality after they were used up and deemed unnecessary to the economy. This image was craftily portrayed in the media.....they should have risen many years ago. I used to comment about the school to prison pipeline.
In slavery they were not allowed an education and in modern times they are not given a decent education
check the book called 'savage inequalities' by Jonathan Kazol to see how urban schools have poor resources, poor instruction due to being underfunded.
So they end up on the streets and get illegal searches and set ups. Then they are sent to the prison which is the allowed method of enslavement under the US constitution. States like Arizona, Missouri allow for the private prisons to have stocks in the markets.:rolleyes:
There is a book called the new Jim Crow that explains this.
The whole system is rigged against them. No adequate education, no economic equity...... try getting a loan to start a business if you are African American hence no generational wealth, try looking for a job with an afro sounding name, historical and current differences in lending patterns of banks to African Americans etc.
After Covid the economic system is now rigged against everyone unless banks are regulated again, a cessation of stimulus packages to banks.
 
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Didn't Covid teach people that stats can be manipulated?
Whether the victim is dead or the murderer's race is not controversial. Death and race are not suspicious issues.
If you think that the "colors" of the murderers have been detected incorrectly or the murder numbers have been inflated, you must have evidence for this. There is a lot of evidence for scamdemic.
In the House of Representatives, however, some racial and ethnic groups are now on par with their share of the total population. For example, 12% of House members are black, about equal to the share of Americans who are black. And Native Americans now make up 1% of the House, equal to their 1% of the population.
14 percent of U.S. district court judges are black.
77.1% of Police officers are White, making that the most common race or ethnicity in the occupation. Representing 13.3% of Police officers, Black is the second most common race or ethnicity in this occupation. This chart shows the racial and ethnic breakdown of Police officers.
I used to comment about the prison to school pipeline.
I showed in the wikipedia data that the vast majority of young gangs are blacks and hispanics. (46% are Hispanic/Latino, 35% are black)
According to FBI data, black children, according to rates, commit more crimes than black adults. Arrests under 18 (2018):
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Murder: 57.9%
So they end up on the streets and get illegal searches and set ups.
In the twitter links above, I showed that most black kids dropout of high schools.

Does your understanding ignore people's will in their crimes? So shouldn't there be prisons?

What would you recommend the government to do with the children who commit these crimes? They should just go to school because they have to get a job and get out of poverty? The system is responsible for the poverty of irregular people (black or white) who commit so many crimes?

The whole system is rigged against them. No adequate education, no economic equity...... try getting a loan to start a business if you are African American hence no generational wealth, try looking for a job with an afro sounding name, historical and current differences in lending patterns of banks to African Americans etc.
I think I explained who was responsible for this. And I showed the representation of blacks in the law enforcement and the the judicial system. There is no excuse for regular people.
 
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Once again I do not trust many stats.
Does your understanding ignore people's will in their crimes? So shouldn't there be prisons?
Where on earth did I say that?
Nope I believe in just laws and orders.
Not just for prisoners but also for police, judges, politicians etc
Your system is rigged to make one group pay and many times on minor charges.
Unjust laws such as 3 strikes and permanent imprisonment such as the one Bill Clinton instituted are unhelpful.
Your systems are rigged to the whims of Zionist banksters and the corrupt rich.
Every succeeding American generation has become subject to more immorality and corruption unfortunately your population is demoralized. Your quoting stats is not gonna help because your problems can not be swept away but if you think that you are helping things then by all means go ahead.
Lend your energy to one faction at the expense of another the banksters will be pleased.
 
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Once again I do not trust many stats.

Where on earth did I say that?
Nope I believe in just laws and orders.
Not just for prisoners but also for police, judges, politicians etc
Your system is rigged to make one group pay and many times on minor charges.
Unjust laws such as 3 strikes and permanent imprisonment such as the one Bill Clinton instituted are unhelpful.
Your systems are rigged to the whims of Zionist banksters and the corrupt rich.
Every succeeding American generation has become subject to more immorality and corruption unfortunately your population is demoralized. Your quoting stats is not gonna help because your problems can not be swept away but if you think that you are helping things then by all means go ahead.
Lend your energy to one faction at the expense of another the banksters will be pleased.
I never defend the system. It's just that these things have nothing to do with blacks. Everything that applies to blacks also applies to whites.

Because they explain all their violence, discourse and demands as "Black Lives (at risk) Matter". And this is completely wrong. Even if you don't believe in statistics. (if so then I'm not asking how do you know that black lives are at risk)
 
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if this is not "selective perception" and there are government policies that apply to blacks but not to whites, you must have evidence.
There is much evidence if you look for it.
you can start with the books I mentioned above if you are genuine and not being willfully ignorant.
I have empathy for oppressed people wherever they are but this issue is for Americans to solve.
If they want to deny any problems and not seek a common understanding that is up to them.
ATM I think most Americans are going to be subject to the oppression of the banksters and they should seek unity quickly and address that concern.
 
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What you said so far was about the failed lives of irregular people. And giving books for discussion is a bit too much.
 

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@thursdayafternoon i hope you do not find my laugh offensive I am a tad bit sleep deprived :)
I really hope you solve your problems.
I used to dislike many countries and at one time used to pray for its division until I realized that most people are not in control and the system is rigged to keep control away from them.
There are good people in many communities and we should always try to be a part of the solution/healing of people not the division otherwise we are no better than the oppressors.
 

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if this is not "selective perception" and there are government policies that apply to blacks but not to whites, you must have evidence.
35% of blacks shot dead by police posed no threat to law enforcement
33% of whites shot dead by police posed no threat to law enforcement.
is this a statistically significant difference? Run the numbers aNd find out. My guess is that it is. But they are your numbers.
 
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35% of blacks shot dead by police posed no threat to law enforcement
33% of whites shot dead by police posed no threat to law enforcement.
is this a statistically significant difference? Run the numbers aNd find out. My guess is that it is. But they are your numbers.
Not 3X percent of blacks or whites. 3X percent of those who don't pose a threat. 3X percent of 8 percent.

Either your math is bad or you want to deliberately mislead the discussion.

Criminals can be seen as a threat by the police, even if they don't have a gun. We don't know under what conditions the criminal resisted the police in the 8 percent.

And when you say 33 and 35 percent, you are talking about the numbers 16 and 17 (person). We are not talking about a sample to demonstrate racism. And I said this was for 2014-2015. And it is different in 2019. "9 unarmed blacks were shot and killed by cops vs. 19 unarmed whites. 48 cops were killed"

@thursdayafternoon i hope you do not find my laugh offensive I am a tad bit sleep deprived :)
I really hope you solve your problems.
I used to dislike many countries and at one time used to pray for its division until I realized that most people are not in control and the system is rigged to keep control away from them.
There are good people in many communities and we should always try to be a part of the solution/healing of people not the division otherwise we are no better than the oppressors.
Some organizations and vandals on the streets are trying to create the division. No need to twist that around.

If you explain the relevance of the issue with blacks, I am waiting in this thread. But you should return with articles, not books. Or not with assumptions without evidence.
 
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Advertisers Boycott "Tucker Carlson" Over Claim That BLM "Doesn't Care About Black Lives"

It is interesting to talk about "white supremacy" in a country where those who oppose the BLM narrative were fired.

"I personally don't dare speak out against the BLM narrative, and with this barrage of alleged unity being mass-produced by the administration, tenured professoriat, the UC administration, corporate America, and the media, the punishment for dissent is a clear danger at a time of widespread economic vulnerability. I am certain that if my name were attached to this email, I would lose my job and all future jobs, even though I believe in and can justify every word I type."

A perfect article.

...The claim that the difficulties that the black community faces are entirely causally explained by exogenous factors in the form of white systemic racism, white supremacy, and other forms of white discrimination remains a problematic hypothesis that should be vigorously challenged by historians. Instead, it is being treated as an axiomatic and actionable truth without serious consideration of its profound flaws, or its worrying implication of total black impotence. This hypothesis is transforming our institution and our culture, without any space for dissent outside of a tightly policed, narrow discourse....

...Black people are not incarcerated at higher rates than their involvement in violent crime would predict. This fact has been demonstrated multiple times across multiple jurisdictions in multiple countries....

...If we claim that the criminal justice system is white-supremacist, why is it that Asian Americans, Indian Americans, and Nigerian Americans are incarcerated at vastly lower rates than white Americans? This is a funny sort of white supremacy. Even Jewish Americans are incarcerated less than gentile whites. I think it's fair to say that your average white supremacist disapproves of Jews. And yet, these alleged white supremacists incarcerate gentiles at vastly higher rates than Jews. None of this is addressed in your literature. None of this is explained, beyond hand-waving and ad hominems. "Those are racist dogwhistles". "The model minority myth is white supremacist". "Only fascists talk about black-on-black crime", ad nauseam...

...The vast majority of violence visited on the black community is committed by black people. There are virtually no marches for these invisible victims, no public silences, no heartfelt letters from the UC regents, deans, and departmental heads. The message is clear: Black lives only matter when whites take them. Black violence is expected and insoluble, while white violence requires explanation and demands solution. Please look into your hearts and see how monstrously bigoted this formulation truly is...

...The claim that black intraracial violence is the product of redlining, slavery, and other injustices is a largely historical claim. It is for historians, therefore, explain why Japanese internment or the massacre of European Jewry hasn't led to equivalent rates of dysfunction and low SES performance among Japanese and Jewish Americans respectively. Arab Americans have been viciously demonized since 9/11, as have Chinese Americans more recently. However, both groups outperform white Americans on nearly all SES indices - as do Nigerian Americans, who incidentally have black skin...

...Donating to BLM today is to indirectly donate to Joe Biden's 2020 campaign. This is grotesque given the fact that the American cities with the worst rates of black-on-black violence and police-on-black violence are overwhelmingly Democrat-run. Minneapolis itself has been entirely in the hands of Democrats for over five decades; the 'systemic racism' there was built by successive Democrat administrations...

...Starbucks, an organisation using literal black slaves in its coffee plantation suppliers, is in favor of BLM. Sony, an organisation using cobalt mined by yet more literal black slaves, many of whom are children, is in favor of BLM. And so, apparently, are we. The absence of counter-narrative enables this obscenity. Fiat lux, indeed...


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UC Berkeley History Professor's Open Letter Against BLM, Police Brutality and Cultural Orthodoxy

Dear profs X, Y, Z

I am one of your colleagues at the University of California, Berkeley. I have met you both personally but do not know you closely, and am contacting you anonymously, with apologies. I am worried that writing this email publicly might lead to me losing my job, and likely all future jobs in my field.

In your recent departmental emails you mentioned our pledge to diversity, but I am increasingly alarmed by the absence of diversity of opinion on the topic of the recent protests and our community response to them.

In the extended links and resources you provided, I could not find a single instance of substantial counter-argument or alternative narrative to explain the under-representation of black individuals in academia or their over-representation in the criminal justice system. The explanation provided in your documentation, to the near exclusion of all others, is univariate: the problems of the black community are caused by whites, or, when whites are not physically present, by the infiltration of white supremacy and white systemic racism into American brains, souls, and institutions.

Many cogent objections to this thesis have been raised by sober voices, including from within the black community itself, such as Thomas Sowell and Wilfred Reilly. These people are not racists or 'Uncle Toms'. They are intelligent scholars who reject a narrative that strips black people of agency and systematically externalizes the problems of the black community onto outsiders. Their view is entirely absent from the departmental and UCB-wide communiques.

The claim that the difficulties that the black community faces are entirely causally explained by exogenous factors in the form of white systemic racism, white supremacy, and other forms of white discrimination remains a problematic hypothesis that should be vigorously challenged by historians. Instead, it is being treated as an axiomatic and actionable truth without serious consideration of its profound flaws, or its worrying implication of total black impotence. This hypothesis is transforming our institution and our culture, without any space for dissent outside of a tightly policed, narrow discourse.

A counternarrative exists. If you have time, please consider examining some of the documents I attach at the end of this email. Overwhelmingly, the reasoning provided by BLM and allies is either primarily anecdotal (as in the case with the bulk of Ta-Nehisi Coates' undeniably moving article) or it is transparently motivated. As an example of the latter problem, consider the proportion of black incarcerated Americans. This proportion is often used to characterize the criminal justice system as anti-black. However, if we use the precise same methodology, we would have to conclude that the criminal justice system is even more anti-male than it is anti-black.

Would we characterize criminal justice as a systemically misandrist conspiracy against innocent American men? I hope you see that this type of reasoning is flawed, and requires a significant suspension of our rational faculties. Black people are not incarcerated at higher rates than their involvement in violent crime would predict. This fact has been demonstrated multiple times across multiple jurisdictions in multiple countries.

And yet, I see my department uncritically reproducing a narrative that diminishes black agency in favor of a white-centric explanation that appeals to the department's apparent desire to shoulder the 'white man's burden' and to promote a narrative of white guilt.

If we claim that the criminal justice system is white-supremacist, why is it that Asian Americans, Indian Americans, and Nigerian Americans are incarcerated at vastly lower rates than white Americans? This is a funny sort of white supremacy. Even Jewish Americans are incarcerated less than gentile whites. I think it's fair to say that your average white supremacist disapproves of Jews. And yet, these alleged white supremacists incarcerate gentiles at vastly higher rates than Jews. None of this is addressed in your literature. None of this is explained, beyond hand-waving and ad hominems. "Those are racist dogwhistles". "The model minority myth is white supremacist". "Only fascists talk about black-on-black crime", ad nauseam.

These types of statements do not amount to counterarguments: they are simply arbitrary offensive classifications, intended to silence and oppress discourse. Any serious historian will recognize these for the silencing orthodoxy tactics they are, common to suppressive regimes, doctrines, and religions throughout time and space. They are intended to crush real diversity and permanently exile the culture of robust criticism from our department.

Increasingly, we are being called upon to comply and subscribe to BLM's problematic view of history, and the department is being presented as unified on the matter. In particular, ethnic minorities are being aggressively marshaled into a single position. Any apparent unity is surely a function of the fact that dissent could almost certainly lead to expulsion or cancellation for those of us in a precarious position, which is no small number.

I personally don't dare speak out against the BLM narrative, and with this barrage of alleged unity being mass-produced by the administration, tenured professoriat, the UC administration, corporate America, and the media, the punishment for dissent is a clear danger at a time of widespread economic vulnerability. I am certain that if my name were attached to this email, I would lose my job and all future jobs, even though I believe in and can justify every word I type.

The vast majority of violence visited on the black community is committed by black people
. There are virtually no marches for these invisible victims, no public silences, no heartfelt letters from the UC regents, deans, and departmental heads. The message is clear: Black lives only matter when whites take them. Black violence is expected and insoluble, while white violence requires explanation and demands solution. Please look into your hearts and see how monstrously bigoted this formulation truly is.

No discussion is permitted for nonblack victims of black violence, who proportionally outnumber black victims of nonblack violence. This is especially bitter in the Bay Area, where Asian victimization by black assailants has reached epidemic proportions, to the point that the SF police chief has advised Asians to stop hanging good-luck charms on their doors, as this attracts the attention of (overwhelmingly black) home invaders. Home invaders like George Floyd. For this actual, lived, physically experienced reality of violence in the USA, there are no marches, no tearful emails from departmental heads, no support from McDonald's and Wal-Mart. For the History department, our silence is not a mere abrogation of our duty to shed light on the truth: it is a rejection of it.

The claim that black intraracial violence is the product of redlining, slavery, and other injustices is a largely historical claim. It is for historians, therefore, to explain why Japanese internment or the massacre of European Jewry hasn't led to equivalent rates of dysfunction and low SES performance among Japanese and Jewish Americans respectively. Arab Americans have been viciously demonized since 9/11, as have Chinese Americans more recently. However, both groups outperform white Americans on nearly all SES indices - as do Nigerian Americans, who incidentally have black skin. It is for historians to point out and discuss these anomalies. However, no real discussion is possible in the current climate at our department. The explanation is provided to us, disagreement with it is racist, and the job of historians is to further explore additional ways in which the explanation is additionally correct. This is a mockery of the historical profession.

Most troublingly, our department appears to have been entirely captured by the interests of the Democratic National Convention, and the Democratic Party more broadly. To explain what I mean, consider what happens if you choose to donate to Black Lives Matter, an organization UCB History has explicitly promoted in its recent mailers. All donations to the official BLM website are immediately redirected to ActBlue Charities, an organization primarily concerned with bankrolling election campaigns for Democrat candidates. Donating to BLM today is to indirectly donate to Joe Biden's 2020 campaign. This is grotesque given the fact that the American cities with the worst rates of black-on-black violence and police-on-black violence are overwhelmingly Democrat-run. Minneapolis itself has been entirely in the hands of Democrats for over five decades; the 'systemic racism' there was built by successive Democrat administrations.

The patronizing and condescending attitudes of Democrat leaders towards the black community, exemplified by nearly every Biden statement on the black race, all but guarantee a perpetual state of misery, resentment, poverty, and the attendant grievance politics which are simultaneously annihilating American political discourse and black lives. And yet, donating to BLM is bankrolling the election campaigns of men like Mayor Frey, who saw their cities devolve into violence. This is a grotesque capture of a good-faith movement for necessary police reform, and of our department, by a political party. Even worse, there are virtually no avenues for dissent in academic circles. I refuse to serve the Party, and so should you.

The total alliance of major corporations involved in human exploitation with BLM should be a warning flag to us, and yet this damning evidence goes unnoticed, purposefully ignored, or perversely celebrated. We are the useful idiots of the wealthiest classes, carrying water for Jeff Bezos and other actual, real, modern-day slavers. Starbucks, an organisation using literal black slaves in its coffee plantation suppliers, is in favor of BLM. Sony, an organisation using cobalt mined by yet more literal black slaves, many of whom are children, is in favor of BLM. And so, apparently, are we. The absence of counter-narrative enables this obscenity. Fiat lux, indeed.

There also exists a large constituency of what can only be called 'race hustlers': hucksters of all colors who benefit from stoking the fires of racial conflict to secure administrative jobs, charity management positions, academic jobs and advancement, or personal political entrepreneurship.

Given the direction our history department appears to be taking far from any commitment to truth, we can regard ourselves as a formative training institution for this brand of snake-oil salespeople. Their activities are corrosive, demolishing any hope at harmonious racial coexistence in our nation and colonizing our political and institutional life. Many of their voices are unironically segregationist.

MLK would likely be called an Uncle Tom if he spoke on our campus today. We are training leaders who intend, explicitly, to destroy one of the only truly successful ethnically diverse societies in modern history. As the PRC, an ethnonationalist and aggressively racially chauvinist national polity with null immigration and no concept of jus solis increasingly presents itself as the global political alternative to the US, I ask you: Is this wise? Are we really doing the right thing?

As a final point, our university and department has made multiple statements celebrating and eulogizing George Floyd. Floyd was a multiple felon who once held a pregnant black woman at gunpoint. He broke into her home with a gang of men and pointed a gun at her pregnant stomach. He terrorized the women in his community. He sired and abandoned multiple children, playing no part in their support or upbringing, failing one of the most basic tests of decency for a human being. He was a drug-addict and sometime drug-dealer, a swindler who preyed upon his honest and hard-working neighbors.

And yet, the regents of UC and the historians of the UCB History department are celebrating this violent criminal, elevating his name to virtual sainthood. A man who hurt women. A man who hurt black women. With the full collaboration of the UCB history department, corporate America, most mainstream media outlets, and some of the wealthiest and most privileged opinion-shaping elites of the USA, he has become a culture hero, buried in a golden casket, his (recognized) family showered with gifts and praise. Americans are being socially pressured into kneeling for this violent, abusive misogynist. A generation of black men are being coerced into identifying with George Floyd, the absolute worst specimen of our race and species.

I'm ashamed of my department. I would say that I'm ashamed of both of you, but perhaps you agree with me, and are simply afraid, as I am, of the backlash of speaking the truth. It's hard to know what kneeling means, when you have to kneel to keep your job.

It shouldn't affect the strength of my argument above, but for the record, I write as a person of color. My family have been personally victimized by men like Floyd. We are aware of the condescending depredations of the Democrat party against our race. The humiliating assumption that we are too stupid to do STEM, that we need special help and lower requirements to get ahead in life, is richly familiar to us. I sometimes wonder if it wouldn't be easier to deal with open fascists, who at least would be straightforward in calling me a subhuman, and who are unlikely to share my race.

The ever-present soft bigotry of low expectations and the permanent claim that the solutions to the plight of my people rest exclusively on the goodwill of whites rather than on our own hard work is psychologically devastating. No other group in America is systematically demoralized in this way by its alleged allies. A whole generation of black children are being taught that only by begging and weeping and screaming will they get handouts from guilt-ridden whites.

No message will more surely devastate their futures, especially if whites run out of guilt, or indeed if America runs out of whites. If this had been done to Japanese Americans, or Jewish Americans, or Chinese Americans, then Chinatown and Japantown would surely be no different to the roughest parts of Baltimore and East St. Louis today. The History department of UCB is now an integral institutional promulgator of a destructive and denigrating fallacy about the black race.

I hope you appreciate the frustration behind this message. I do not support BLM. I do not support the Democrat grievance agenda and the Party's uncontested capture of our department. I do not support the Party co-opting my race, as Biden recently did in his disturbing interview, claiming that voting Democrat and being black are isomorphic. I condemn the manner of George Floyd's death and join you in calling for greater police accountability and police reform. However, I will not pretend that George Floyd was anything other than a violent misogynist, a brutal man who met a predictably brutal end.

I also want to protect the practice of history. Cleo is no grovelling handmaiden to politicians and corporations. Like us, she is free.

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They are still recovering as a community from the legacy of slavery and segregation. Because they are economically disadvantaged they are more likely to turn to crime. Over the course of history it wasn't black people enslaving others and colonizing their countries. So we should have a little understanding of what's going on, show some mercy. If the brutal system of capitalism didn't continue to create vast economic divides between people and races, if there wasn't a cultural attempt by the media industry to keep black people down (i.e. the promoting of aggressive rap music), then the situation would not be the same. Mass-incarceration is no solution at all.
 

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One more thing, better resources and opportunities lead to safer communities not more policing.
Exactly. I made that point the other day on Facebook and basically ran into the same type of whataboutisms that Thursdayafternoon is here promoting.

The nationalists can spin whatever numbers they want. But ultimately all they have is the worst kind of appeal to hypocrisy.
 
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