Any vegetarians or vegans here?

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I was vegan for 2,5 years. I now have a healthier colon as a result (lol), weaker muscles, less physical endurance AND my hair is ruined for life. TT_TT
My hair became so dry during my vegan stunt that I can't even comb it, because it dreads like crazy, and it's been falling and falling and I'm afraid it won't stop until it's all gone.
I've heard great things about collagen peptides for hair growth and health. You could also try eating lots of gelatinous homemade bone broth for the collagen.

I was vegetarian (practically vegan except for cheese and ice cream lol) for 2 years. My health rapidly deteriorated. For the last 6 months of those 2 years, I cut cheese out of my diet. My health declined even more rapidly still. At some point it was bad enough that I actually emerged from my trance and realized that something was terribly wrong, my diet was not making me healthier, quite the opposite. Even my hair was turning grey.
 





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wow definitely need more FAT in your diet that should help your hair grow!
I've tried upping my fat intake, it only made my scalp greasy, the length of my hair remained just as coarse and didn't slow its fall at all.
I think it might just be irreversible, it's been more than to 2 years since I stopped being vegan, and there's been no change in the hair structure.
 





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I've heard great things about collagen peptides for hair growth and health. You could also try eating lots of gelatinous homemade bone broth for the collagen.
I'll look for that, thanks. The bones of the broth have to be cut to expose the bone marrow, right?

I was vegetarian (practically vegan except for cheese and ice cream lol) for 2 years. My health rapidly deteriorated. For the last 6 months of those 2 years, I cut cheese out of my diet. My health declined even more rapidly still. At some point it was bad enough that I actually emerged from my trance and realized that something was terribly wrong, my diet was not making me healthier, quite the opposite. Even my hair was turning grey.

Funny, I became vegan after having first experienced the great health benefits of a diary-free diet. I thought I might be able to eliminate all my health problems by getting rid one by one of all other animal products (and processed sugar). Not eating meat did help further improve my skin and digestion, so I was very motivated to try a 100% vegan diet. Bad Idea.
I had eliminated all diary at the advice of a dermatologist, and along with having great skin I had the immense surprise of solving two lifelong health problems. For the first time in my life I wasn't calcium deficient (irronically) which also helped decrease my photophobia quite a bit, because I didn't have weak eye muscles anymore due to constanty low calcium levels, and I no longer suffered from, uhm, constipation.
Oh, and before I got rid of diary, I had been having intense pain in my knees for a little under 2 years, the kind that almost made me faint a few times. No more diary, no more joint pain. :)
What is a poison for some, is a blessing for others it seems.
 





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hmm your mention of calcium makes me wonder if you've tried calcium magnesium supplement ?
 





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i study ayurveda and the really prize milk and recommend that people find a way to make it more digestable such as boiling milk, and adding spices. ayurveda also states that aged cheeses are very bad for everyone, only eat fresh like mozzerella or panir...
 





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hmm your mention of calcium makes me wonder if you've tried calcium magnesium supplement ?
My body doesn't like food supplements, they usually either give me headaches or make me feel naseous, or even sometimes both.
Thankfully, I don't need them anyway as long as I don't deplete the calcium from my bones through the consumption of diary. My blood tests show high calcium & magnesium levels.
 





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My body doesn't like food supplements, they usually either give me headaches or make me feel naseous, or even sometimes both.
Thankfully, I don't need them anyway as long as I don't deplete the calcium from my bones through the consumption of diary. My blood tests show high calcium & magnesium levels.
im an omnivoure im not vegan but i like veggies alot!
 





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I'll look for that, thanks. The bones of the broth have to be cut to expose the bone marrow, right?
Not really. I think having the marrow exposed might improve the flavor of the broth, but it's really the connective tissue you're after, because that's what the gelatin (collagen) in the broth comes from. So look for bones that have lots of joints. I like chicken broth because its flavor is more neutral than beef or lamb broth. For chicken, the best bones are drumsticks, legs, wings, and if you can find them, feet. Anything that has the connective tissue still attached is great. For beef, knuckle bones are great for gelatin, and marrow bones are great for flavor. If you're going the beef route, I strongly recommend roasting the bones in the oven before making broth to improve the flavor. Not necessary with chicken. Simmer slowly until most or all of the connective tissue has dissolved, which means it's in the broth. You'll know your broth has lots of gelatin if it thickens or even gels completely when refrigerated.

Funny, I became vegan after having first experienced the great health benefits of a diary-free diet. I thought I might be able to eliminate all my health problems by getting rid one by one of all other animal products (and processed sugar). Not eating meat did help further improve my skin and digestion, so I was very motivated to try a 100% vegan diet. Bad Idea.
I had eliminated all diary at the advice of a dermatologist, and along with having great skin I had the immense surprise of solving two lifelong health problems. For the first time in my life I wasn't calcium deficient (irronically) which also helped decrease my photophobia quite a bit, because I didn't have weak eye muscles anymore due to constanty low calcium levels, and I no longer suffered from, uhm, constipation.
Oh, and before I got rid of diary, I had been having intense pain in my knees for a little under 2 years, the kind that almost made me faint a few times. No more diary, no more joint pain. :)
What is a poison for some, is a blessing for others it seems.
Wow, definitely sounds like you were having an autoimmune reaction to dairy, with the knee pain. It absolutely must be avoided in such a case. I do great with lots of dairy. But then again, I only drink raw milk and eat yogurt and cheese, which are both fermented. Pasteurized milk is the devil. I also used to suffer from severe constipation for most of my life, which I cured with hydrochloric acid supplements. I don't even have to take them anymore, and my digestion is great! That's the thing about vegetarian diets; they tend to be deficient in zinc, and zinc is necessary for your body to produce hydrochloric acid.

That was actually the one fact that convinced me to abandon the vegetarian diet, when I realized that it was literally impossible for me to correct my zinc deficiency with foods. And that, in fact, even if you somehow manage to eat enough zinc on such a diet, vegetarian diets are pretty much universally high in copper, which antagonizes zinc. In fact, the two minerals must be maintained in relative balance to one another, and the balance is more important than the absolute amounts. At first I thought, "I'll just eat vegetarian foods that are high in zinc and low in copper!" Then I looked into what that entailed and realized it was literally impossible. To me, it's not a very natural diet for humans because for most people, they are going to need to supplement with zinc and other nutrients to avoid deficiency. And supplements are inherently inferior to the nutrients found in food.
 





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wow you guys know all your nutrient levels have u had blood test? what kind? maybe i should do that i know one place in my hour does some sort of nutritional testing and shots of vitamins...
 





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@umphreak : thank you for all the advice. It seems I have had bone broth before, going by what you're describing. There's a traditional gelatinous dish in my part of the world that is made like that and that I actually really like. I'll have it more often. I was afraid I might have to taste bone marrow, because I'm not a fan of that:p.
About the autoimmune part, I suspect it might have had even worse ramifications, because I used to have severe heart problems for many years and after 2 years max into my dairy free diet I realised I'm completely cured. Either that, or it was an actual miracle.
Where did you learn all this stuff by the way?

@Devin : I think the tests differ by country. My advice is don't have your blood done often, just try to eat very healthy, without getting obsessed about your values.
I say this because they always take way too much blood than they have to. My nurse friend takes very little blood from me, 'only what she needs' (her own words) and she does a ton of tests with it, whereas when I've had strangers draw blood for fewer tests, they took an insane amount of blood, I got very dizzy. I don't want to know what they do with all that blood.
 





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@umphreak : thank you for all the advice. It seems I have had bone broth before, going by what you're describing. There's a traditional gelatinous dish in my part of the world that is made like that and that I actually really like. I'll have it more often. I was afraid I might have to taste bone marrow, because I'm not a fan of that:p.
About the autoimmune part, I suspect it might have had even worse ramifications, because I used to have severe heart problems for many years and after 2 years max into my dairy free diet I realised I'm completely cured. Either that, or it was an actual miracle.
Where did you learn all this stuff by the way?
I'm a Nutritional Therapist, not currently practicing, but I got my training through the Nutritional Therapy Association.
 





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Vegetarian here since day 1. I’m also partially vegan as I can’t drink milk but I can have some and I love eggs. I think my diet is/was a little different since I consume a lot of traditional Asian food including lots of fermented food, more “exotic” or less common dishes (braised water lily root? Yum!), and lots of plants whose names I don’t know in English.
 





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After years of eating what I hoped was more humanely slaughtered (there’s an oxymoron for you) meat and always feeling uncomfortable about it, no matter how organic and free range, I came to a personal conclusion that if I could not conceive of killing and preparing it myself, I have no business consuming it. So I eat chicken and fish! I could never be vegan as I adore cheese.
That said, I believe everyone is different and there is no one-size-fits-all diet. For example: Nuts are absolutely important for me (wards off depression) but can kill someone else.
 





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Dairy products increase the acidity of your blood and thus calcium compounds (from your bones) are dissolved into the blood in order to neutralize it. Because of this, when I used to consume dairy products my calcium levels were always dangerously low. But if I don't consume any dairy my blood tests will show high calcium levels.
The countries that are the biggest consumers of dairy have the highest rates of osteoporosis, while the countries with the lowest consumption of dairy products have the lowest incidence of osteoporosis. Coincidence?