Any satanists here?

LadyEris

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Self-centred people are often drawn to the “freedom” of satanism, where the doctrine of “do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the law”.
Thelema isn't Satanism.

Here's what Crowley himself says about it in his "Message from the Master Therion":





Liber II
The Message of the Master Therion
A∴A∴ Publication in Class E

“Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.”
“There is no Law beyond Do what thou wilt.”
“The word of the Law is Θελημα.”
Θελημα— Thelema— means Will.



The Key to this Message is this word— Will. The first obvious meaning of this Law is confirmed by antithesis; “The word of Sin is Restriction.”
Again: “Thou hast no right but to do thy will. Do that and no other shall say nay. For pure will, unassuaged of purpose, delivered from the lust of result, is every way perfect.”
Take this carefully; it seems to imply a theory that if every man and every woman did his and her will— the true will— there would be no clashing. “Every man and every woman is a star,” and each star moves in an appointed path without interference. There is plenty of room for all; it is only disorder that creates confusion.
From these considerations it should be clear that “Do what thou wilt” does not mean “Do what you like.” It is the apotheosis of Freedom; but it is also the strictest possible bond.
Do what thou wilt— then do nothing else. Let nothing deflect thee from that austere and holy task. Liberty is absolute to do thy will; but seek to do any other thing whatever, and instantly obstacles must arise. Every act that is not in definite course of that one orbit is erratic, an hindrance. Will must not be two, but one.
Note further that this will is not only to be pure, that is, single, as explained above, but also “unassuaged of purpose.” This strange phrase must give us pause. It may mean that any purpose in the will would damp it; clearly the “lust of result” is a thing from which it must be delivered.
But the phrase may also be interpreted as if it read “with purpose unassuaged”— i.e., with tireless energy. The conception is, therefore, of an eternal motion, infinite and unalterable. It is Nirvana, only dynamic instead of static— and this comes to the same thing in the end.
The obvious practical task of the magician is then to discover what his will really is, so that he may do it in this manner, and he can best accomplish this by the practices of Liber Thisarb (see Equinox I(7), p. 105) or such others as may from one time to another be appointed.
It should now be perfectly simple for everybody to understand the Message of the Master Therion.
Thou must (1) Find out what is thy Will. (2) Do that Will with (a) one-pointedness, (b) detachment, (c) peace.
Then, and then only, art thou in harmony with the Movement of Things, thy will part of, and therefore equal to, the Will of God. And since the will is but the dynamic aspect of the self, and since two different selves could not possess identical wills; then, if thy will be God’s will, Thou art That.

There is but one other word to explain. Elsewhere it is written— surely for our great comfort— “Love is the law, love under will.”
This is to be taken as meaning that while Will is the Law, the nature of that Will is Love. But this Love is as it were a by-product of that Will; it does not contradict or supersede that Will; and if apparent contradiction should arise in any crisis, it is the Will that will guide us aright. Lo, while in The Book of the Law is much of Love, there is no word of Sentimentality. Hate itself is almost like Love! “As brothers fight ye!” All the manly races of the world understand this. The Love of Liber Legis is always bold, virile, even orgiastic. There is delicacy, but it is the delicacy of strength. Mighty and terrible and glorious as it is, however, it is but the pennon upon the sacred lance of Will, the damascened inscription upon the swords of the Knight-monks of Thelema.
Love is the law, love under will.
 

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I wasn't aware there were different "teams". That seems pretty divisive. Is that biblical?
 

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I’m a believer in God and respect people.
But I don’t follow anything too religious.
 

Maes17

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How come?
Cause I feel like religion has been severely tampered by man through out the ages.
God is out there and accepting but imo that’s a personal level to be in tune with good.

It’s not rocket science to distinguish good vs bad morals.
I’m baffled by some of the supposed christian or catholic leaders who put the church goers in danger. Like the pastor in FL this past week.

Or the pastor in GA who demanded church goers to donate millions of dollars so he can buy a private jet to spread the gospel.

Joel Olsteen who closed his mega church during the hurricane in houston.
There’s so much shady people spreading God’s word for their own profit. That’s not right.

God’s love doesn’t have a price imo.
 

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I do believe people who read the bible on their own time and go out and try to be a good citizen are true christians. They seek that personal understanding of God.
I think it’s very likely that those who go to the Bible and seek God will find Him. That’s where I started out anyway! (Plus a few 1970s Christian songs)

[edit] Recently I’ve been watching “The Chosen” which is in eight parts. The first part actually connects with the subject matter of this thread...

 
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I wasn't aware there were different "teams". That seems pretty divisive. Is that biblical?

Yup, ride with the winning team.. :D
Jesus said - "I've beaten the world" (John 16:33)

 
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I’m a believer in God and respect people.But I don’t follow anything too religious.

Good for you, Jesus is not a "religion", he's JESUS..:D
And he wants MATES, that's all-

"You're my friends if you follow me. I don't call you servants, but I call you friends" (John 15:15)


 

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@LadyEris

You point out that Thelema is distinct from Satanism...

It’s a very interesting point to make as within what many people understand as satanism, there are many fine shades e.g. we have LeVeyan Satanism, Michael Aquino’s Temple of Set, The Order of the Black Ram etc etc.

It seems to me akin to Wicca where many people identify as “light workers” others as “grey” and a small subset as “black”.

I have been looking into this since the early 80s and was initially woken up to the fact that these labels and gradations which make people feel safer in their exploration of evil are not really meaningful.

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Johanna Michaelsen spent time looking into Silva Mind Control and ended up working as an assistant to a “psychic surgeon”. Without spoiling her story, something happened that led her to see things in a fresh light...

9 minutes or so in, she cuts to her story (in full VHS majesty!) - it is worth considering the implications.

 
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Early 80’s Satanic Panic misinformation you mean?

You might be surprised that Crowley and his disciple Jack Parsons where both strongly opposed to a favorite issue of yours, abortion.

Even “satanist” Marilyn Manson seems offer a
critique of it here :
“If it hasn't learned your name
You'd better kill it before they see it”

Things aren’t nearly as black and white , cut and dry or so obvious or simple as your fundamentalism reduces the world to Red.
It was quite the opposite with Johanna - she went into Silva Mind Control and opened herself to her spirit guides with good intentions. The fact that she exited the “mystical” world (for want of a better phrase) at a time of “satanic panic” does nothing to invalidate her testimony and experiences.

The paths to Satan (rather than some technically defined “satanism”) are myriad. It doesn’t matter in the end if you reject the Gospel through atheism, mysticism or satanism any more than it matters if you break a window with a PVC football or a grenade.
 

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Impasse then. You say God and I say SAY10, because I view Christian Fundamentalism and it’s God as evil, and maybe one day you’ll be the one who has to face a truth you aren’t prepared for.
Thin thing is with “shock rock” Marylin... I’m not shocked.

In fact I can imagine the poor deceived folk in the Tribulation having SAY10 as an anthem! I have known a number of people who have been heavily involved in the occult but equally, I have seen people come out of it and witnessed the spiritual battle for them first hand. Nobody is too far gone for God’s mercy, even the Christian killing Apostle Paul :)

p.s. This is more my kind of rock...

 
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God is out there and accepting but imo that’s a personal level to be in tune with good.
How does one be in tune with good?


I’m baffled by some of the supposed christian or catholic leaders who put the church goers in danger. Like the pastor in FL this past week.

Or the pastor in GA who demanded church goers to donate millions of dollars so he can buy a private jet to spread the gospel.

Joel Olsteen who closed his mega church during the hurricane in houston.
There’s so much shady people spreading God’s word for their own profit. That’s not right.
It’s not all that baffling..God told us false teachers and prophets would appear.


God’s love doesn’t have a price imo.
It does...Jesus paid the price.

I do believe people who read the bible on their own time and go out and try to be a good citizen are true christians. They seek that personal understanding of God.
Do they need to believe in Jesus first, in tour opinion?
 

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Quran on those who follow Shaitan:
14: 18-30

18. The parable of those who disbelieve in their Lord is that their works are as ashes, on which the wind blows furiously on a stormy day, they shall not be able to get aught of what they have earned. That is the straying, far away (from the Right Path).
19. Do you not see that Allah has created the heavens and the earth with truth? If He will, He can remove you and bring (in your place) a new creation!
20. And for Allah that is not hard or difficult (i.e. very easy for Allah).
21. And they all shall appear before Allah (on the Day of Resurrection) then the weak will say to those who were arrogant (chiefs): “Verily, we were following you; can you avail us anything from Allah’s Torment?” They will say: “Had Allah guided us, we would have guided you. It makes no difference to us (now) whether we rage, or bear (these torments) with patience, there is no place of refuge for us.”
22. And Shaitan (Satan) will say when the matter has been decided: “Verily, Allah promised you a promise of truth. And I too promised you, but I betrayed you. I had no authority over you except that I called you, so you responded to me. So blame me not, but blame yourselves. I cannot help you, nor can you help me. I deny your former act in associating me (Satan) as a partner with Allah (by obeying me in the life of the world). Verily, there is a painful torment for the Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers, etc.).”
23. And those who believed (in the Oneness of Allah and His Messengers and whatever they brought) and did righteous deeds, will be made to enter Gardens under which rivers flow, – to dwell therein forever (i.e.in Paradise), with the permission of their Lord. Their greeting therein will be: Salam (peace!) .
24. See you not how Allah sets forth a parable? – A goodly word as a goodly tree, whose root is firmly fixed, and its branches (reach) to the sky (i.e. very high).
25. Giving its fruit at all times, by the Leave of its Lord and Allah sets forth parables for mankind in order that they may remember.
26. And the parable of an evil word is that of an evil tree uprooted from the surface of earth having no stability.
27. Allah will keep firm those who believe, with the word that stands firm in this world (i.e. they will keep on worshipping Allah Alone and none else), and in the Hereafter. And Allah will cause to go astray those who are Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers, etc.), and Allah does what He wills.
28. Have you not seen those who have changed the Blessings of Allah into disbelief (by denying Prophet Muhammad
and his Message of Islam), and caused their people to dwell in the house of destruction?
29. Hell, in which they will burn, – and what an evil place to settle in!
30. And they set up rivals to Allah, to mislead from His Path! Say: “Enjoy (your brief life)! But certainly, your destination is the (Hell) Fire!”
 
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How does one be in tune with good?



It’s not all that baffling..God told us false teachers and prophets would appear.



It does...Jesus paid the price.


Do they need to believe in Jesus first, in tour opinion?
I agree that they are false prophets.
I also view Jesus as a prophet - in turn he was the living epitome of what it meant to follow God. Those philosophies if you take away the bible is to simply be respectful of the earth around you. I still give in to negativity from time to time. That’s part of the quest of seeking God.


I do disagree with you somewhat on a price for God’s love. Yes, Jesus was sacrificed for “us” and let that be more than enough. Nobody alive today should be profiting off of God right now. That right there is disrespectful to Jesus imo
 

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I agree that they are false prophets.
I also view Jesus as a prophet - in turn he was the living epitome of what it meant to follow God. Those philosophies if you take away the bible is to simply be respectful of the earth around you. I still give in to negativity from time to time. That’s part of the quest of seeking God.


I do disagree with you somewhat on a price for God’s love. Yes, Jesus was sacrificed for “us” and let that be more than enough. Nobody alive today should be profiting off of God right now. That right there is disrespectful to Jesus imo
So you don’t believe Jesus is God?
 
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