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Again, you describe Satan as a knowable spiritual being whilst denying the existence of a spiritual realm.

I can’t “eat” a metaphorical dinner. In the same way, talking about a metaphorical and Satan and God whose existence your reject is a strange form of conversational nihilism!

I am trying to understand what you actually believe - can you try to make your ideas more clear to us?
That is quite simple. The bottom line is that a genocidal and infanticidal god is a satanic god.

Why should I bother showing my better beliefs with a guy like you who cannot answer simple questions or just runs from an honest discussion?

That aside. I will give you a hint with this old O.P.

Have you leaned what Jesus and your bible teaches?

The Bible teaches one to start a spiritual journey from the bottom, i.e. from a stage where he must consider himself as a born sinner and starts his journey upwards from there. One reaches the second stage when he realises that he is the son and God is his father. The final realisation is when he realises that he and the Father are one.

This is similar to the spiritual journey of a Hindu who starts his journey from the Dwait stage, where he thinks himself and God to be two distinct entities, graduates to Vishishta Adwait, a stage where he thinks himself a fragment/fraction of Him and finally reached to the Adwait stage where he merges himself with that infinite consciousness.

Stevan Davies. The savior is not a celestial being brought to earth; the savior is a capacity of the mind, and the savior’s journey from above is actually one’s own journey from within.

John Lennon. It seems to me that the only true Christians were the Gnostics, who believed in self-knowledge, I.E. becoming Gods themselves, reaching the Christ within, the light is the truth. Turn on the light. All the better to see you my dear.

John 6 ; 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Luke 11:52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.

Mark 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

I think Jesus hated the idol worshipers of the traditional supernatural based religions and wanted to put us on a better and more naturalistic Gnostic Christian path of seeking knowledge and wisdom through Gnosis; that being a deeper knowledge of the self and others.

Do you agree?

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An open question to the satanists (atheistic/theistic) in this thread...

If a mercurial figure were to rise on the world scene who promoted the kind of spiritual and intellectual independence that seems popular with satanists, would you throw your support behind him if he were to help you in your wishes to see the Judea-Christian superstitions of yesteryear swept away?

If he were to test your mettle in your rejection of this non existent angry sky daddy and his stupid book by taking a “mark of loyalty” in your right hand or forehead, would you refuse, risk the consequences and say “hang on... you’re the Antichrist” or would you continue to interpret the whole thing as an ironic take on Revelation 13 and take it in an ultimate act of freedom and defiance?
 





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Have you leaned what Jesus and your bible teaches?

The Bible teaches one to start a spiritual journey from the bottom, i.e. from a stage where he must consider himself as a born sinner and starts his journey upwards from there. One reaches the second stage when he realises that he is the son and God is his father. The final realisation is when he realises that he and the Father are one.
Either your reading comprehension of the bible is extremely low or you are willfully twisting scripture to worship yourself.

That is the most twisted reasoning and absolutely bizarre. The bible says Jesus is the Son of God. Jesus and and the Father are one.

John 8:58 [New Testament] Jesus said unto them [the Jews], Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Exodus [Old Testament] 3: 13 And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?

14 And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you.

By faith in Jesus Christ Christians are adopted by God and become His sons and daughters.

Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.


Christians know that only by faith in Jesus does a person gain access to the Father.

1Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

Someone who needs a mediator cannot be one with God. Mankind needs a mediator. You most certainly need one before it is too late.
 





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#46
An open question to the satanists (atheistic/theistic) in this thread...

If a mercurial figure were to rise on the world scene who promoted the kind of spiritual and intellectual independence that seems popular with satanists, would you throw your support behind him if he were to help you in your wishes to see the Judea-Christian superstitions of yesteryear swept away?

If he were to test your mettle in your rejection of this non existent angry sky daddy and his stupid book by taking a “mark of loyalty” in your right hand or forehead, would you refuse, risk the consequences and say “hang on... you’re the Antichrist” or would you continue to interpret the whole thing as an ironic take on Revelation 13 and take it in an ultimate act of freedom and defiance?
Well if that really happened, I would say 'no hold on, you're the Antichrist'. Because the Bible says it exactly so, and that would make me doubt.

However, I have no reason to believe the Bible now as such things have not come to pass and there is no such evidence for me at all, I would for now agree with the first paragraph.
 





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That is the most twisted reasoning and absolutely bizarre. The bible says Jesus is the Son of God. Jesus and and the Father are one.
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True, but you forget, as you criticize my reading and comprehension ability, a cheep shot that you excel in, that mine is better than yours as I recognize that I too am a son of god, and have done the work to be a brethren to Jesus, as prophesized.

Why aren't you instead of being a pathetic and immoral piece of human garbage?

Do I need to get the quotes on this or is your comprehension up to the task?

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Well if that really happened, I would say 'no hold on, you're the Antichrist'. Because the Bible says it exactly so, and that would make me doubt.

However, I have no reason to believe the Bible now as such things have not come to pass and there is no such evidence for me at all, I would for now agree with the first paragraph.
Should we be anti-Christ?

Many of Jesus' moral tenets were Roman creations and are quite immoral.

His no divorce and substitutional punishment policies are particularly satanic.

Knowing this, should we not all be a little anti-Christ's policies?

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The work of putting away the things of children and mentally becoming a moral adult through Gnosis.

Here is the real way to salvation that Jesus taught.

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Allan Watts explain those quotes in detail.

Joseph Campbell shows the same esoteric ecumenist idea in this link.

The bible just plainly says to put away the things of children. The supernatural and literal reading of myths.

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The work of putting away the things of children and mentally becoming a moral adult through Gnosis.

Here is the real way to salvation that Jesus taught.

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Allan Watts explain those quotes in detail.

Joseph Campbell shows the same esoteric ecumenist idea in this link.

The bible just plainly says to put away the things of children. The supernatural and literal reading of myths.

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DL
I find it interesting that the much lauded “Ulysses” by James Joyce promotes the concept of the Monomyth. Those who step beyond superstition and religion enter into the scientific enlightenment (as per the “Golden Bough”) and perhaps become gods through apotheosis and transhumanism?

It is certainly a compelling narrative.

Sadly it is one that will gently and agreeably escort many to eternal separation from the God who made them and loves them.
 





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The work of putting away the things of children and mentally becoming a moral adult through Gnosis.
That's not what the gospel teach.

"But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."
John 1:12‭-‬13
 





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I find it interesting that the much lauded “Ulysses” by James Joyce promotes the concept of the Monomyth. Those who step beyond superstition and religion enter into the scientific enlightenment (as per the “Golden Bough”) and perhaps become gods through apotheosis and transhumanism?

It is certainly a compelling narrative.

Sadly it is one that will gently and agreeably escort many to eternal separation from the God who made them and loves them.
Oh yee of little faith.

You talk of an omnipresent god and then see a god who is not omnipresent.

How much in % of the universe do you think god restricts himself from going to and thus destroying his omnipresent attribute just for Christians like you who would place limits god?

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That's not what the gospel teach.

"But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."
John 1:12‭-‬13
That is not what the gospels teach.

If you can trash my quotes and call then wrong, I can do the same with yours.

Mine make a lot more moral sense than yours, because your bible says that we have no choice in whether we believe or not as god decides who he will give the grace to believe and whose hearts he will harden against belief.

I would fetch the quotes for you but you do not believe what your bible says and would likely trash those quotes as you did here.

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That is not what the gospels teach.

If you can trash my quotes and call then wrong, I can do the same with yours.

Mine make a lot more moral sense than yours, because your bible says that we have no choice in whether we believe or not as god decides who he will give the grace to believe and whose hearts he will harden against belief.

I would fetch the quotes for you but you do not believe what your bible says and would likely trash those quotes as you did here.

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If I understand you right, you are encouraging people to read or listen to the Gospels in context and perhaps as a whole? I agree - I would encourage anyone to listen to a whole gospel and understand the message for themselves -

I found a great resource I’m sure you will like...


May the Lord enlighten our understanding!
 





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If I understand you right, you are encouraging people to read or listen to the Gospels in context and perhaps as a whole? I agree - I would encourage anyone to listen to a whole gospel and understand the message for themselves -

I found a great resource I’m sure you will like...

May the Lord enlighten our understanding!
Help me understand why you promote a satanic genocidal god as a good god please.

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Help me understand why you promote a satanic genocidal god as a good god please.

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One thing I have increasingly learned to appreciate about human nature is that few people can be easily bullied or insulted into taking another's view on something.

You may believe that Satan (even if just a metaphor) embodies more moral and admirable characteristics than God. Other people are likely to form their own opinion.
 





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One thing I have increasingly learned to appreciate about human nature is that few people can be easily bullied or insulted into taking another's view on something.

You may believe that Satan (even if just a metaphor) embodies more moral and admirable characteristics than God. Other people are likely to form their own opinion.
Immoral people like you who run from even an attempt to justify your vile beliefs and religion do my work for me.

Thanks.

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