Antifa, Left Tactics, Protesters For Hire

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Where do you get your information from?

Marx was not a Zionist. Communism, which predated Zionism by at least 100 years, has as one of it's tenets the abolition of the state. Zionism is by nature a nationalist movement. You can see how they might be at odds with each other.

The question that Marx wrote a book addressing was whether or not Jews should have to repudiate their Jewishness to become free citizens. It had nothing to do with Zionism or a Jewish state. You are stretching the facts to the point of snapping if you really think Marx had anything to do with the Zionist movement.



That's not true. Again, where do you get your information? The only people I know who seriously promote this idea are neo-nazis.



You don't really believe that, do you? It's a pretty foolish premise.

Over and over again we are told that the Jewish state is propped up by the might and wealth of America. Can you think of a good reason why Zionists would want to undermine and destroy that power and wealth?
The two are not at odds. Zionism did not begin a hundred years after communism began. They basically coincide as ideas that were born in the 19th century. "The Jewish State" that was written by Theodore Herzl was written fifty years after the communist manifesto.

Marx's comments towards the Jewish question are directly relevant to the creation of Zionism by speaking on this subject or bringing it to the awareness of the Jewish community that it was time to make a choice. Basically, Zionism and communism were created by the absence of the fulfillment of the coming of the Messiah according to Jewish theology. The Jewish question was being discussed during the 19th century because the Messiah had not come yet and so the people living in bitterness while in exile were getting squirly.

The whole combination of the two concepts that work together, but are referred to by different names, actually originates with kabbalist teachings to usher in the Messiah and has nothing to do with either communism or zionism. Those are just names that create divisions so that no one will think one is working with the other. Communism is a form of crypto Judaism that creates a method of conversion or recruitment in competition with a religion like Christianity.

It is basically the antichrist version of this verse and others like it that speak of a time when the nations will turn to Israel because the Messiah will reign there.

"Then all the survivors from the nations that came against Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord of Hosts, and to celebrate the Festival of Booths. Should any of the families of the earth not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of Hosts, rain will not fall on them. And if the people of Egypt will not go up and enter, then rain will not fall on them; this will be the plague the Lord inflicts on the nations who do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Booths. This will be the punishment of Egypt and all the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Booths." (Zechariah 14:16-20).

So, the forced version of the fulfillment of this verse, where the nations turn to Israel is some cohesion of what we know as Zionism and Communism in the present.

And how you think that the the Jewish state being propped up by the might and wealth of America isn't already being undermined with propaganda to encourage us to support Israel even if we are indebted to the point of bankruptcy at the present time is beyond me. Our debt ratio is a pretty clear indication that the wealth and might of America could easily be gone as quickly as pulling the rug out from under a chair whenever this would be seen as beneficial the function of transferring the manufactured dependance on America, over to Israel.

I am sorry that you seem to believe that everyone who is Jew has the integrity of Abraham, but they don't. Very far from it.

This actually is relevant to the thread because we can see how the presence of these groups encourage the promotion of communist ideals even though the name communist carries a certain stigma. People like to make believe so many of these things aren't really the same animal, but they are. This is what the nations will do, while Israel will determine whether they receive rain.

These protestors are an active part of what will eventually be the merging of communists of zionist ideas into one cohesive whole. They have more support, money, influence than most other institutuions. This is the real threat. That doesn't mean other people are innocent by default, but this is the beast.