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Where do you get your information from?

Marx was not a Zionist. Communism, which predated Zionism by at least 100 years, has as one of it's tenets the abolition of the state. Zionism is by nature a nationalist movement. You can see how they might be at odds with each other.

The question that Marx wrote a book addressing was whether or not Jews should have to repudiate their Jewishness to become free citizens. It had nothing to do with Zionism or a Jewish state. You are stretching the facts to the point of snapping if you really think Marx had anything to do with the Zionist movement.



That's not true. Again, where do you get your information? The only people I know who seriously promote this idea are neo-nazis.



You don't really believe that, do you? It's a pretty foolish premise.

Over and over again we are told that the Jewish state is propped up by the might and wealth of America. Can you think of a good reason why Zionists would want to undermine and destroy that power and wealth?
The two are not at odds. Zionism did not begin a hundred years after communism began. They basically coincide as ideas that were born in the 19th century. "The Jewish State" that was written by Theodore Herzl was written fifty years after the communist manifesto.

Marx's comments towards the Jewish question are directly relevant to the creation of Zionism by speaking on this subject or bringing it to the awareness of the Jewish community that it was time to make a choice. Basically, Zionism and communism were created by the absence of the fulfillment of the coming of the Messiah according to Jewish theology. The Jewish question was being discussed during the 19th century because the Messiah had not come yet and so the people living in bitterness while in exile were getting squirly.

The whole combination of the two concepts that work together, but are referred to by different names, actually originates with kabbalist teachings to usher in the Messiah and has nothing to do with either communism or zionism. Those are just names that create divisions so that no one will think one is working with the other. Communism is a form of crypto Judaism that creates a method of conversion or recruitment in competition with a religion like Christianity.

It is basically the antichrist version of this verse and others like it that speak of a time when the nations will turn to Israel because the Messiah will reign there.

"Then all the survivors from the nations that came against Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord of Hosts, and to celebrate the Festival of Booths. Should any of the families of the earth not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of Hosts, rain will not fall on them. And if the people of Egypt will not go up and enter, then rain will not fall on them; this will be the plague the Lord inflicts on the nations who do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Booths. This will be the punishment of Egypt and all the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Booths." (Zechariah 14:16-20).

So, the forced version of the fulfillment of this verse, where the nations turn to Israel is some cohesion of what we know as Zionism and Communism in the present.

And how you think that the the Jewish state being propped up by the might and wealth of America isn't already being undermined with propaganda to encourage us to support Israel even if we are indebted to the point of bankruptcy at the present time is beyond me. Our debt ratio is a pretty clear indication that the wealth and might of America could easily be gone as quickly as pulling the rug out from under a chair whenever this would be seen as beneficial the function of transferring the manufactured dependance on America, over to Israel.

I am sorry that you seem to believe that everyone who is Jew has the integrity of Abraham, but they don't. Very far from it.

This actually is relevant to the thread because we can see how the presence of these groups encourage the promotion of communist ideals even though the name communist carries a certain stigma. People like to make believe so many of these things aren't really the same animal, but they are. This is what the nations will do, while Israel will determine whether they receive rain.

These protestors are an active part of what will eventually be the merging of communists of zionist ideas into one cohesive whole. They have more support, money, influence than most other institutuions. This is the real threat. That doesn't mean other people are innocent by default, but this is the beast.
 





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When the governor of NJ - Christie - decided to wage a public campaign blaming all the states economics problems on public servants (teachers, police, firefighters, CPS workers etc) and pushed to raise healthcare payments by these workers to absurd levels and completely deplete their pensions... I sincerely considered staging a protest at his house - the governors mansion. I was legally advised not to because I would be arrested and charged for some pretty crazy shit due to the venue (I don't remember what anymore this was in 2010). I don't see why protesting at a politicians house is a problem, the whole point of protest is doing it somewhere that will get the most attention for your cause and hopefully make it most likely the person who can do something will see/hear what you are trying to say.

They've been trying to stop protests on all sides for years. Passing laws. Using extreme policing to break them up. This is atleast since the original occupy. No one on the right gave a shit until recently.. wonder why.
Yep. Public servants, in the public eye have invited that public scrutiny.
 





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Free speech was always being threatened. No one cared until now. When swat teams broke up non violent occupy protests free speech was threatened. When they passed laws that u can't protest where secret service is present free speech was threatened. When governments started making their employees sign gag orders in exchange for a job and virtually eliminated their right to protest by dilineating approved times venues free speech was threatened. We could go on and on here. The same people calling on free speech now were applauding or atleast staying silent then.

I was concerned the whole time. Others didn't start complaining until their right to racist hateful shit came into question. Sorry if I can't overlook the hypocrisy.
Excellent post, and I have a follow up question for you. Do you feel the recent push for Americans to sign loyalty oaths and promises not to engage in BDS activities is in the same vein as what is being discussed here?
 





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Zionism Vs. Communism: Secret Allies?
April 6, 2017
https://www.henrymakow.com/2017/04/zionism-communism-secret-allies.html


Churchill was wrong when he said
Israel was the best solution for
the Jewish question.
As events unfold in Syria, we see that
Soros' Communism & Trump's Zionism
are not competitors. They are
two pincers holding humanity
in its malevolent grip.
by Henry Makow Ph.D.


It appears that the fate of the world hangs on a turf war between two branches of the Masonic Jewish Conspiracy for world hegemony.
In 1920, Winston Churchill said Communist Jews and Zionist Jews were in a "struggle for the soul of the Jewish people," a struggle "between good and evil."

Today this "conflict" is played out between George Soros and his toadies in the Democratic Party (Communism) versus Donald Trump and his dupes (Zionism).
The American people are just onlookers hoping a few crumbs will fall from the table. Now that the election charade is over, they are powerless. The same applies to Churchill's "national Jews" who, like myself, owe their first loyalty to the country in which they live.


Trump's brazenly deceitful use of the chemical attack false flag as apretext to attack Syriaplaces him squarely in the Zionist camp, and on a collision path with Russia and Iran. Americans are sick of being used as a surrogate for Zionist imperial ambitions. Trump has proven that he is a Zionist errand boy. CNN and The New York Times are applauding. This enforces fears that the Mossad own Trump.
(Mossad Blackmail- Tempering Our Expectations of Trump.)

Trump has betrayed his campaign promise to the American people to avoid interventions and defuse tensions with Russia. He has lost a considerable segment of his support, certainly enough topoison his Presidency and ensure he doesn't get re-elected.

Bashar al-Assad's father Hafez said Israel was "a knife in the heart of the Middle East." Events have proven him prophetic. The Yinon Plan aims at fragmenting Arab countries. In Benjamin Netanyahu's words, Israel is destined to be "a rising global power" while the US does its dirty work.

IS THE STRUGGLE REAL?
In 1920, Winston Churchill, left, wrote: "It would almost seem as if the gospel of Christ and the gospel of Antichrist were destined to originate among the same people; and that this mystic and mysterious race had been chosen for the supreme manifestations, both of the divine and the diabolical."
However, in retrospect it seems that Judaism can't take credit for Christ. Communism and Zionism are actually different paths to Masonic Jewish (satanic) world tyranny.
Churchill began by acknowledging what few are willing to admit even today, that Communism is Jewish: "this world-wide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilization and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality, has been steadily growing... It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the Nineteenth Century; ... and [has] ripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and... become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire."
Churchill endorsed Zionism as a counterweight and challenger to Communism:

"Zionism has already become a factor in the political convulsions of Russia, as a powerful competing influence in Bolshevik circles with the international communistic system. Nothing could be more significant than the fury with which Trotsky
has attacked the Zionists generally, and Dr. [Chaim] Weizman in particular. The cruel penetration of his mind leaves him in no doubt that his schemes of a world-wide communistic State under Jewish domination are directly thwarted and hindered by this new ideal, which directs the energies and the hopes of Jews in every land towards a simpler, a truer, and a far more attainable goal. The struggle which is now beginning between the Zionist and Bolshevik Jews is little less than a struggle for the soul of the Jewish people."





Obviously Churchill was wrong. Israel's goal is not simpler or truer. Organized Jewry, both in its Communist or Zionist form, is dedicated to sabotaging the human experiment so that it may introduce its tyranny.





According to the Protocols of Zion, their goal is: "To wear everyone out by dissensions, animosities, feuds, famine, inoculation of diseases, want, until the Gentiles sees no other way of escape except by appeal to our money and our power." (Protocol 10)







"We will so wear out and exhaust the Gentiles by all this that they will be compelled to offer us an international authority, which by its position will enable us to absorb without disturbance all the governmental forces of the world and thus form a super-government." (Protocol 5)





I have already pointed out that both Communism and Zionism are branches of Freemasonry. However, I have been unable to find additional information that would illuminate the true relationship between Communism and Zionism. Rather than competitors, they seem like two pincers holding the world in its malevolent grip. Can a reader enlighten me?





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Related - Makow- Have Americans Been NeoConned?

Did Trump Cut a Deal with NeoCons in Syria?

First Comment from John C



At the end of your most recent article you asked if there was a connection between communism and zionism. Have you read the works of Moses Hess (1812 - 1875)? He was Karl Marx's teacher and also advocated for a race based socialist state of Israel. The Holy History of Mankind and Rome and Jerusalem are both dedicated to the idea of creating many national socialist states (Jewish and otherwise) that would be merged into a global socialism. He also foretold a race war between Germans and Jews.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses_Hess
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At least the left are willing to protest against the banks and globalists.
that was an interesting time. i dont know if all of those at seattle were specifically leftists-- they were, as far as im concerned, simply informed citizens standing up for themselves. in the video, theres people flying the american flag... the only american flag youd see today on the side of the leftists is a burning one.
a damn shame that the police provocateurs, as usual, ruined it. the same thing happened at occupy wall street: it started out good, then the police began to undermine it, people wanting to party and riot showed up, diluting the message and the cause, and it turned into a disaster.
 





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that was an interesting time. i dont know if all of those at seattle were specifically leftists-- they were, as far as im concerned, simply informed citizens standing up for themselves. in the video, theres people flying the american flag... the only american flag youd see today on the side of the leftists is a burning one.
a damn shame that the police provocateurs, as usual, ruined it. the same thing happened at occupy wall street: it started out good, then the police began to undermine it, people wanting to party and riot showed up, diluting the message and the cause, and it turned into a disaster.
That was a unique time. Reminds me of what you said about life before 9/11. There were 40,000 protesters at that WTO gathering (though exact numbers seem unreliable). To echo what you brought up, the march to downtown was actually organized by the AFL-CIO. So it was labor and environmental that were granted permits that the rioters subverted.

I first learned at VC that in Seattle, Toronto, etc., the "pre-antifa" I guess you'd call them, was the black bloc, based on a militant anarchist movement from Europe.

I thought it was interesting the different views of the activists from Seattle. One dude was saying the protests were not supposed to be destructive. The US has a noted history of civil disobedience, marches, and labor strikes. Civil disobedience does not traditionally equate to burning police cars...

I agree completely that antifa appears co-opted. They have no sensible purpose- just a mish-mash of every known gender identity, racial, political, environmental fringe group known. Their only goal seems to be to protest Drumph. If there was an org. based solely on ECONOMIC reforms it might be possible to gain support from average Americans.

The only protest I attended was against the Iraqi invasion (must have been 02). I'm glad we made our voices heard. I don't think violence leads anywhere positive but seeing the Starbucks window smashed in that video, I must say I'm proud there are resistors. Even the most radical are expressing part of the frustration the majority of us feel. It's disgusting that with all the innovation of the last 20 years somehow economic inequality has only grown.

Let me ask this: where is the opposition to predatory globalism, Wall St., and the banks from the right? Farmers getting sheisted, whatever was left of manufacturing in these smaller cities being shipped off, teachers and fire-fighters that can't afford their medical premiums. Where is the real Tea Party? This goes back to the right-left divide but if we could all agree on a basic platform there could be a peaceful, democratic revolution.
 





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the same thing happened at occupy wall street:
I have a similar story. I marched in a Occupy Wall Street rally and I can tell you it was set up right from the start. The march was OK but soon after shills started a tent city and demanded that Wall Street 'share the wealth' or they wouldn't leave. Media was all over it. The public was outraged and turned on the gimme gang. This went on for weeks. The whole purpose of the event was forgotten.
 





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Let me ask this: where is the opposition to predatory globalism, Wall St., and the banks from the right? Farmers getting sheisted, whatever was left of manufacturing in these smaller cities being shipped off, teachers and fire-fighters that can't afford their medical premiums. Where is the real Tea Party? This goes back to the right-left divide but if we could all agree on a basic platform there could be a peaceful, democratic revolution.
I might suggest that, in the USA, plenty of the members of the far right, in contrast to the leftist and anarchist antifa, are found in various militia movements (think Timothy McVeigh), in such little-reported secessionist movements as, for instance, the (excuse, here, the source ===>) Republic of Texas, and among readers of Eustace Mullins. These people are generally distrustful of any federal government, and vice-versa (think Ruby Ridge and Branch Davidian at Waco), and don't usually salute the Federal Reserve Bank's flag, so to speak. They are often both monitored by and reported upon by such influential "watchdog" agencies, on the left, as the SPLC.

Moving away from the extreme of the pole, more to the libertarian, center/right, one can listen to lectures by economists at one of their favorite coffee shops, not Starbucks, mind you :cool:, but the Mises Institute, where the so called "Austrian School of Economics" is on tap. Far from being "radical," it seems to me that the Mises Institute and related think tanks are more "reformationist," and Constitutionalist. They often do include sharp criticisms of monetary policy, certainly, but also sometimes, if rarely, take aim at the Federal Reserve Bank itself (think "audit the Fed" Ron Paul).

Anyway, these are some suggestions and things which came to mind.
 





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I might suggest that, in the USA, plenty of the members of the far right, in contrast to the leftist and anarchist antifa, are found in various militia movements (think Timothy McVeigh), in such little-reported secessionist movements as, for instance, the (excuse, here, the source ===>) Republic of Texas, and among readers of Eustace Mullins. These people are generally distrustful of any federal government, and vice-versa (think Ruby Ridge and Branch Davidian at Waco), and don't usually salute the Federal Reserve Bank's flag, so to speak. They are often both monitored by and reported upon by such influential "watchdog" agencies, on the left, as the SPLC.

Moving away from the extreme of the pole, more to the libertarian, center/right, one can listen to lectures by economists at one of their favorite coffee shops, not Starbucks, mind you :cool:, but the Mises Institute, where the so called "Austrian School of Economics" is on tap. Far from being "radical," it seems to me that the Mises Institute and related think tanks are more "reformationist," and Constitutionalist. They often do include sharp criticisms of monetary policy, certainly, but also sometimes, if rarely, take aim at the Federal Reserve Bank itself (think "audit the Fed" Ron Paul).

Anyway, these are some suggestions and things which came to mind.
I bookmarked the Mises institute, thanks.

Part of what I was asking was about a popular movement, something at least noticeable on social media. The milita movement is extremely fringe IMO. I watched the "Straight Pride" parade some weeks ago and there were like 50-100 people lol. Essentially the true populist movement of conservative America was to defeat Clinton, and that's it.

I just looked up the tea party and their main concern today is defending their billionaire president. They have the same trite concerns generally- immigration and "evil socialism". The same narrative that's been retold on the nightly- news by Drumph for 5 years now, which is a giant distraction for the trans-national corporations and tech companies. There's no questioning of the billionaire class or the lending institutions that bleed us dry. It's a strange phenomenon the way the poor tend to deify the ultra-wealthy in this society.

We hear the economy is in tremendous shape but we're working harder for less. Look at the cost of food, wages are barely keeping up with inflation. Shouldn't we be progressing toward having less financial stress and more free time? In 40 years our quality of life has actually decreased. US standards are so pitifully low because we lack imagination and critical thought.

Happy to say I found a conservative group I CAN support and follow: REDNECKREVOLT.ORG

Principles

WE STAND AGAINST WHITE SUPREMACY
WE BELIEVE IN TRUE LIBERTY FOR ALL PEOPLE

WE STAND FOR ORGANIZED DEFENSE OF OUR COMMUNITIES
WE ARE WORKING CLASS AND POOR PEOPLE
WE ARE AN ABOVEGROUND MILITANT FORMATION
WE STAND AGAINST THE NATION-STATE AND ITS FORCES WHICH PROTECT THE BOSSES AND THE RICH
WE STAND AGAINST CAPITALISM
WE STAND AGAINST THE WARS OF THE RICH
WE STAND AGAINST PATRIARCHY
WE BELIEVE IN THE RIGHT OF MILITANT RESISTANCE

WE BELIEVE IN THE NEED FOR REVOLUTION


Ok the "patriarchy" part is a little off but hey none of us is perfect. :)

"Redneck Revolt believes that there will have to be a complete restructuring of society to provide for the survival and liberty of all people. We will fight for the end of predatory exploitation of our communities, and the creation of a world where no one is without food, shelter, water, or any other means of survival. We believe in a future without tyranny, and the political and social control of a small segment of society over the rest of us. We believe that the working class can unite across racial and cultural backgrounds and find we are much stronger with diverse perspectives. We believe in liberty. We believe in equity. We believe in the self-determination of our own futures."
 





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Part of what I was asking was about a popular movement, something at least noticeable on social media.
I think it's called alt-light and alt-right (think "Pepe" memes). The alt-right, which has lately separated itself from what they often call the "cucked" alt-light, not only here in the States but especially in Europe, have always been more or less "identitarian," and that includes racial, tribal and national identity as well (think Victor Orban vs. George Soros in Hungary). The movement, born with feet, is lately growing legs.
The militia movement is extremely fringe IMO ...
Do you mean fringe as in insignificant or as in extreme (or something else)? At any rate, I did place them on the American far right.
Essentially the true populist movement of conservative America was to defeat Clinton, and that's it.
And that they successfully did. But there was more: Trump, especially during his campaign, at times sounded reminiscent of Barry Goldwater.
I just looked up the tea party and their main concern today is defending their billionaire president. They have the same trite concerns generally- immigration and "evil socialism". The same narrative that's been retold on the nightly- news by Drumph for 5 years now, which is a giant distraction for the trans-national corporations and tech companies. There's no questioning of the billionaire class or the lending institutions that bleed us dry. It's a strange phenomenon the way the poor tend to deify the ultra-wealthy in this society.
When the Tea Party were first forming, I watched as they almost immediately transmuted from being what seemed a coalition of largely disaffected (from the "system") Democrats and Republicans, with potential, to a herd of Republican sheep with Glen Beck as shepherd. In this, I can also commiserate with @Frank Badfinger's experience with Occupy Wall Street: popular movements, whether they arise on the right or left, are often immediately co-opted -they are aborted in utero.
Happy to say I found a conservative group I CAN support and follow: REDNECKREVOLT.ORG

Principles

WE STAND AGAINST WHITE SUPREMACY
WE BELIEVE IN TRUE LIBERTY FOR ALL PEOPLE

WE STAND FOR ORGANIZED DEFENSE OF OUR COMMUNITIES
WE ARE WORKING CLASS AND POOR PEOPLE
WE ARE AN ABOVEGROUND MILITANT FORMATION
WE STAND AGAINST THE NATION-STATE AND ITS FORCES WHICH PROTECT THE BOSSES AND THE RICH
WE STAND AGAINST CAPITALISM
WE STAND AGAINST THE WARS OF THE RICH
WE STAND AGAINST PATRIARCHY
WE BELIEVE IN THE RIGHT OF MILITANT RESISTANCE

WE BELIEVE IN THE NEED FOR REVOLUTION


Ok the "patriarchy" part is a little off but hey none of us is perfect. :)
They should invite Code Pink for a date: dinner and a movie :).
 





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At least the left are willing to protest against the banks and globalists. The transexuals posted aren't even antifa.

I was there and I can confirm that the protests were made up of a massive coalition of groups and organizations as well as many thousands of individuals who were independent from any collective. It was way too big to have just been left, right or center dominated. We were all united and stood side-by-side w/each other, and toe-to-toe with the man.