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rainerann

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Maybe somebody added it to the title, I dunno. Regardless, I'd submit that according to the tenets stated it's been a rip-roaring success.
It may have been added because communism is a concept that was created by Zionists. Marx was a Jew/Zionist. I don't know if anyone realizes that he also wrote a book addressing the Jewish question. It is very interesting that the leader of communism, who was a Jew, decided to address the Jewish question of the time which resulted in the Balfour Declaration and the eventual pursuit of Israel. How anyone can think that the two things are not related in purpose, is beyond me.

Communism was very much a part of Zionism and the Jewish question that Zionists like Herzl were also discussing at the time. It was Herzl's idea that Jews should not leave en masse. Communism is basically what the nations are supposed to adopt who are not part of a genealogy or willing to spend the next five generations or so being grafted into this genealogy. You spread communism to the nations, while Israel is created, and in the end there will be only Judaism and communism in theory; or, in other words, there will only be the world and Israel and whatever Israel decides to give the world.

Off topic, but I thought I would elaborate.
 





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Jess, while I see your point the other incidents you make reference to were not an effort to kill an entire side of a political spectrum. What I think you are discounting is the fact that now it is close to issuing total control by only allowing PC speech. There has never been a time like the present when free speech was threatened to the degree it is now. It is going away in the UK and Canada and the states are the last ones standing between FS and world think political correctness.
 





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Yes they were. They were to silence discussion of economic inequality.. identity politics are allowed and encouraged because they threaten nothing and are a convenient distraction.
 





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Free speech was always being threatened. No one cared until now. When swat teams broke up non violent occupy protests free speech was threatened. When they passed laws that u can't protest where secret service is present free speech was threatened. When governments started making their employees sign gag orders in exchange for a job and virtually eliminated their right to protest by dilineating approved times venues free speech was threatened. We could go on and on here. The same people calling on free speech now were applauding or atleast staying silent then.

I was concerned the whole time. Others didn't start complaining until their right to racist hateful shit came into question. Sorry if I can't overlook the hypocrisy.
i dont think the occupy protest break ups were a violation of free speech or a right to assemble. we didnt have a permit to occupy the park like we did. i thought we had a lot of undeserved leeway. 'free speech zones'-- youre right on that. that was the beginning. gag orders and such arent a free speech issue. i think theyre wrong, but not a free speech issue, and you have the right to NOT sign it if you want (costing you the position). when the orlando regional hospital workers were forced to sign a letter saying theyd keep quiet about the orlando shooting 'victims', they had a right to NOT sign it and simply not work on that hoaxers. they had an option.

charlottesville drew a line in the sand for many people-- this trespass on our rights is completely obvious, and the fact that the media is trying to ban free speech because of nasty, racist speech is an ultra-clear violation that anyone and their pet dog can see.
 





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So you need a permit to exercise your constitutional right to speech and protest? And u don't see how that's an intrusion on those rights? We take about small government but sometimes it seems like that only applies where it's convenient for people.

When u sign up for a government job it isn't like those limitations are made clear to you. It is made clear that you can't strike (in the cases in talking about) but further then that it is legalese hidden in contracts and until you are faced with a situation you don't understand you have lost your right to speak. This goes a lot further than specific situations in crisis.. we're talking about potentially every civil service worker in the country. That's millions of people with insight how the government operates who are legally bound to never say anything or face severe civil and criminal penalties. Not even just top secret shit, this extends to regular everyday nonsense.

If I wanted to advise a family how to deal with CPS I'd be in breach of contract and the gag order would apply. If I wanted to speak out about workplace abuses same story. If that isn't a free speech issue it should be.
 





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you need a permit from the city (if they have that law) to have an assembly of 50 or more people (at least in NY, depends on the state). i am fine with that as long as the permit is always granted and there is no cost. the permit differentiates between an assembly and loitering laws. keep in mind that the city has to devote more police and other traffic officers to cover this event with traffic and everything else. i think thats reasonable, dont you? especially when the taxpayer has to oftentimes foot the bill in the cleanup. i am not saying you are wrong in your demands, but i think its fair to give the city proper notice that there will be a huge parade or march coming up. no one likes unannounced guests-- do you?

there are whistleblowing laws for those who are in your position. have you looked at them?
 





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You have an answer for why the limits on every other type of free speech are ok. So then like I said you are only concerned with certain types of free speech which is self serving. Thanks for proving my point.

And no I don't think it's reasonable to require a permit to exercise a constitutional right. I don't think loitering laws are reasonable at all either. And I don't think people should have to rely on weak whistleblower laws to protect what should be again their constitutional right to free speech. If your a libertarian you should be against excessive government interference in things like this.
 





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You have an answer for why the limits on every other type of free speech are ok. So then like I said you are only concerned with certain types of free speech which is self serving. Thanks for proving my point.

And no I don't think it's reasonable to require a permit to exercise a constitutional right. I don't think loitering laws are reasonable at all either. And I don't think people should have to rely on weak whistleblower laws to protect what should be again their constitutional right to free speech. If your a libertarian you should be against excessive government interference in things like this.
i never said if i liked the law or not. i am interpreting what IS the law.

the right to free assembly and the freedom of speech are two distinct rights. there are limits to free speech (as explained before-- libel/slander) and limits to free assembly (permits) which to me seem reasonable. i am completely against government interference. when people say, "he/she deleted my comment on facebook! i have free speech!", i find that baseless since that platform is controlled and regulated by the facebook page owner. that owner has a right to moderate the comments. you are in a PRIVATE space, not a public space.
show me where you disagree here.
 





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I think Brandon Smith's article:Civil war is coming to the US. Left will resort to large scale violence to stop fascism" is very relevant at this point in time.

What will conservatives do in the face of the leftist mob funded by globalists and growing ever more vicious? Well, what do the globalists expect us to do? I think they expect us to look at all the government powers we once admonished as un Constitutional and say “hey, maybe these laws
and executive orders are not so bad after all…” I think the globalists are
handing us the incredible
temptation of far reaching
bureaucratic power, and they expect us to abuse that power, as almost anyone would. As an alternative analyst I am
privy to trends in the liberty movement and in conservative circles that might not be immediately obvious to casual readers. Already, I am witnessing calls among conservatives to abuse government power to defeat the Left. I have seen comments such as:
“Trump should use the NDAA to imprison these leftists indefinitely…”

“The only solution is to throw the leftists into FEMA camps…”

“Trump needs to shut down the leftist media…”

“Sometimes it is okay to bend the rules of the constitution if you have the right president…”
 





Karlysymon

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In the Virginia riot thread,
TMT said:
Rent-A-Mob lol, no way that's real and even if the
ad was posted it was a
joke or a troll.
But Trump did have actors that he paid to make a
crowd when he first
announced he was running for president.
Just as there were ads for 'acting' protestors, so apparently, were those seeking out 'acting' Trump supporters

It's a recurring theme. Similar Craigslist ads appeared
before
rallies in Charlottesville, Orlando and Chicago and just as mysteriously disappeared.

 





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It may have been added because communism is a concept that was created by Zionists. Marx was a Jew/Zionist. I don't know if anyone realizes that he also wrote a book addressing the Jewish question. It is very interesting that the leader of communism, who was a Jew, decided to address the Jewish question of the time which resulted in the Balfour Declaration and the eventual pursuit of Israel. How anyone can think that the two things are not related in purpose, is beyond me. Communism was very much a part of Zionism and the Jewish question that Zionists like Herzl were also discussing at the time. It was Herzl's idea that Jews should not leave en masse. Communism is basically what the nations are supposed to adopt who are not part of a genealogy or willing to spend the next five generations or so being grafted into this genealogy. You spread communism to the nations, while Israel is created, and in the end there will be only Judaism and communism in theory; or, in other words, there will only be the world and Israel and whatever Israel decides to give the world.
Off topic, but I thought I would elaborate.
I'm glad you explained it all because as you can see, I wasn't even gonna bother...(<>..<>)
 





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It may have been added because communism is a concept that was created by Zionists. Marx was a Jew/Zionist. I don't know if anyone realizes that he also wrote a book addressing the Jewish question. It is very interesting that the leader of communism, who was a Jew, decided to address the Jewish question of the time which resulted in the Balfour Declaration and the eventual pursuit of Israel. How anyone can think that the two things are not related in purpose, is beyond me.
Where do you get your information from?

Marx was not a Zionist. Communism, which predated Zionism by at least 100 years, has as one of it's tenets the abolition of the state. Zionism is by nature a nationalist movement. You can see how they might be at odds with each other.

The question that Marx wrote a book addressing was whether or not Jews should have to repudiate their Jewishness to become free citizens. It had nothing to do with Zionism or a Jewish state. You are stretching the facts to the point of snapping if you really think Marx had anything to do with the Zionist movement.

Communism was very much a part of Zionism and the Jewish question that Zionists like Herzl were also discussing at the time.
That's not true. Again, where do you get your information? The only people I know who seriously promote this idea are neo-nazis.

It was Herzl's idea that Jews should not leave en masse. Communism is basically what the nations are supposed to adopt who are not part of a genealogy or willing to spend the next five generations or so being grafted into this genealogy. You spread communism to the nations, while Israel is created, and in the end there will be only Judaism and communism in theory; or, in other words, there will only be the world and Israel and whatever Israel decides to give the world.
You don't really believe that, do you? It's a pretty foolish premise.

Over and over again we are told that the Jewish state is propped up by the might and wealth of America. Can you think of a good reason why Zionists would want to undermine and destroy that power and wealth?
 





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Zionism Vs. Communism: Secret Allies?
April 6, 2017
https://www.henrymakow.com/2017/04/zionism-communism-secret-allies.html


Churchill was wrong when he said
Israel was the best solution for
the Jewish question.
As events unfold in Syria, we see that
Soros' Communism & Trump's Zionism
are not competitors. They are
two pincers holding humanity
in its malevolent grip.
by Henry Makow Ph.D.


It appears that the fate of the world hangs on a turf war between two branches of the Masonic Jewish Conspiracy for world hegemony.
In 1920, Winston Churchill said Communist Jews and Zionist Jews were in a "struggle for the soul of the Jewish people," a struggle "between good and evil."

Today this "conflict" is played out between George Soros and his toadies in the Democratic Party (Communism) versus Donald Trump and his dupes (Zionism).
The American people are just onlookers hoping a few crumbs will fall from the table. Now that the election charade is over, they are powerless. The same applies to Churchill's "national Jews" who, like myself, owe their first loyalty to the country in which they live.


Trump's brazenly deceitful use of the chemical attack false flag as apretext to attack Syria places him squarely in the Zionist camp, and on a collision path with Russia and Iran. Americans are sick of being used as a surrogate for Zionist imperial ambitions. Trump has proven that he is a Zionist errand boy. CNN and The New York Times are applauding. This enforces fears that the Mossad own Trump.
(Mossad Blackmail- Tempering Our Expectations of Trump.)

Trump has betrayed his campaign promise to the American people to avoid interventions and defuse tensions with Russia. He has lost a considerable segment of his support, certainly enough topoison his Presidency and ensure he doesn't get re-elected.

Bashar al-Assad's father Hafez said Israel was "a knife in the heart of the Middle East." Events have proven him prophetic. The Yinon Plan aims at fragmenting Arab countries. In Benjamin Netanyahu's words, Israel is destined to be "a rising global power" while the US does its dirty work.

IS THE STRUGGLE REAL?
In 1920, Winston Churchill, left, wrote: "It would almost seem as if the gospel of Christ and the gospel of Antichrist were destined to originate among the same people; and that this mystic and mysterious race had been chosen for the supreme manifestations, both of the divine and the diabolical."
However, in retrospect it seems that Judaism can't take credit for Christ. Communism and Zionism are actually different paths to Masonic Jewish (satanic) world tyranny.
Churchill began by acknowledging what few are willing to admit even today, that Communism is Jewish: "this world-wide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilization and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality, has been steadily growing... It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the Nineteenth Century; ... and [has] ripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and... become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire."
Churchill endorsed Zionism as a counterweight and challenger to Communism:

"Zionism has already become a factor in the political convulsions of Russia, as a powerful competing influence in Bolshevik circles with the international communistic system. Nothing could be more significant than the fury with which Trotsky
has attacked the Zionists generally, and Dr. [Chaim] Weizman in particular. The cruel penetration of his mind leaves him in no doubt that his schemes of a world-wide communistic State under Jewish domination are directly thwarted and hindered by this new ideal, which directs the energies and the hopes of Jews in every land towards a simpler, a truer, and a far more attainable goal. The struggle which is now beginning between the Zionist and Bolshevik Jews is little less than a struggle for the soul of the Jewish people."


Obviously Churchill was wrong. Israel's goal is not simpler or truer. Organized Jewry, both in its Communist or Zionist form, is dedicated to sabotaging the human experiment so that it may introduce its tyranny.


According to the Protocols of Zion, their goal is: "To wear everyone out by dissensions, animosities, feuds, famine, inoculation of diseases, want, until the Gentiles sees no other way of escape except by appeal to our money and our power." (Protocol 10)



"We will so wear out and exhaust the Gentiles by all this that they will be compelled to offer us an international authority, which by its position will enable us to absorb without disturbance all the governmental forces of the world and thus form a super-government." (Protocol 5)


I have already pointed out that both Communism and Zionism are branches of Freemasonry. However, I have been unable to find additional information that would illuminate the true relationship between Communism and Zionism. Rather than competitors, they seem like two pincers holding the world in its malevolent grip. Can a reader enlighten me?


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Related - Makow- Have Americans Been NeoConned?
Did Trump Cut a Deal with NeoCons in Syria?
First Comment from John C

At the end of your most recent article you asked if there was a connection between communism and zionism. Have you read the works of Moses Hess (1812 - 1875)? He was Karl Marx's teacher and also advocated for a race based socialist state of Israel. The Holy History of Mankind and Rome and Jerusalem are both dedicated to the idea of creating many national socialist states (Jewish and otherwise) that would be merged into a global socialism. He also foretold a race war between Germans and Jews.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses_Hess
 





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Henry Makow and Cynthia McKinney. Do you listen to anyone who's not crazy?
:):eek:Ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"[1]), short for argumentum ad hominem, is in which an argument is rebutted by attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself.[2]
 





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