Anti-Christ / Anti-God

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Anti-Christ / Anti-God here means against God and the Son of God. When God created the Earth and gave Adam dominion of the Earth, He found that he did not have a suitable helper....So He created Eve and made them co rulers of the Earth...even as it was a paradise at that time. But because of Eve's disobedience by the beguiling of Satan (who was the first to sin, PRIDE being his downfall) was jealous of God. Because Adam gave into the weakness of his wife, Eve lost her co-rulership of the earth with her husband And Adam lost His dominion of the Earth (Genesis Chapters 1-3). The earth then became ruled under the principles of Satan. Satan and all his children are anti-Christ (against God) and are beguilers themselves.

The world is run under the principles of Satan, and Cane was the first to incorporate them into society. With the recent event ( i do not mean within the week or two) but the last 10 years, Evil has been on an increase...It really got it's start here in America in the mid 60's and Obama increased it 10 fold in his 8 years of anti Christ and corrupt governing. The atmosphere of moral relativity and it's rapid decline hangs over us like a toxic cloud.
  • Men who live in a country that worshiped God and had moral character from Scriptural fellowship is forced to disregard God and the Bible
  • All religions are acceptable but Christianity
  • The ruling class force men to accept infanticide (abortion) Evan after a child is born. ( I saw an article where a man prayed to God to send us someone to cure cancer, typhoid, and bring peace, And God answered, "I DID", but you ABORTED them)
  • The Government continually lies, backbiting, slanderous, self serving and above the law that they make you obey, but they get away with
  • They have allowed outlaws from foreign countries to r*pe, kill, and brake laws but harbor them in sanctuary cities. Just as a example, a town in Virginia has had 7 child rapes from illegal aliens just this month and the Mayor let them go and will not let them be arrested.
  • You can not pray in school but the Muslim is allowed to pray
  • Same sex marriages are all the rage now and as if it is normal...IT IS NOT!!!!!
  • The news channels make up lies continually and use their papers and TV stations to destroy by disinformation and slander
It is no wonder that with this type of atmosphere, that the weak and unstable have no moral foundation to guide and nurture them, but instead are bombarded with negativity continually by the anti Christ under the principles of Satan upon this earth. They are the BLAME, they are ungodly people that have the audacity to speak as if they know God. They forget that there will be a Judgment, but they live in ivory tower and each one tries to outdo the other to show their favor with their rivals. There will be more shootings and bombing unless these rulers turn to God and bring back morality in the name of God. But God said, "things would wax worse and worse in the last days....Are we there Yet?
 





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There are time and event markers in the Bible...even a specific timeline which clearly show that we are in the middle of the prophet's 70th and last week already.

Iran and gang guarded by Gog will attack Israel according to the prophet... and the practical preperation for this invasion has been going on for 4 years already using a civil war in Syria as an excuse for Russia and Iran to intrude to the doorstep of Israel.

A nuclear holocaust is coming according to the prophet... and the biblical signs are blinking... any day now.
 





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There are time and event markers in the Bible...even a specific timeline which clearly show that we are in the middle of the prophet's 70th and last week already.

Iran and gang guarded by Gog will attack Israel according to the prophet... and the practical preperation for this invasion has been going on for 4 years already using a civil war in Syria as an excuse for Russia and Iran to intrude to the doorstep of Israel.

A nuclear holocaust is coming according to the prophet... and the biblical signs are blinking... any day now.
Could be close?
 





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I saw an article where a man prayed to God to send us someone to cure cancer, typhoid, and bring peace, And God answered, "I DID", but you ABORTED them




If God intends a thing, no one can stop it.

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No soul that which Allah has destined to exist, but will surely come into existence.
 





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I saw an article where a man prayed to God to send us someone to cure cancer, typhoid, and bring peace, And God answered, "I DID", but you ABORTED them




If God intends a thing, no one can stop it.

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No soul that which Allah has destined to exist, but will surely come into existence.
So God intended Abortion,, God intended John that Baptist be beheaded, God intended for Adam and Eve to live in paradise. The babes that were aborted will stand against their murderers in the Judgment! God would that all men be saved...but they are not.
 





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There will be more shootings and bombing unless these rulers turn to God and bring back morality in the name of God. But God said, "things would wax worse and worse in the last days....Are we there Yet?
Ya, I think things are waxing worse and worse as lawlessness increases and the love of many grow cold. I don’t think that we are in the great tribulation yet though, there needs to be a rebuilt temple for that. So I disagree with @TokiEl assessment that we are in the middle of it already. We are closer, but I think its still the birthing pangs portion of prophecy.
 





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Ya, I think things are waxing worse and worse as lawlessness increases and the love of many grow cold. I don’t think that we are in the great tribulation yet though, there needs to be a rebuilt temple for that. So I disagree with @TokiEl assessment that we are in the middle of it already. We are closer, but I think its still the birthing pangs portion of prophecy.
The Church will not be in the great Tribulation, But yes, things are waxing worse and worse.
 





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Ya, I think things are waxing worse and worse as lawlessness increases and the love of many grow cold. I don’t think that we are in the great tribulation yet though, there needs to be a rebuilt temple for that. So I disagree with @TokiEl assessment that we are in the middle of it already. We are closer, but I think its still the birthing pangs portion of prophecy.
There is a specific timeline in the Bible given by Gabriel to Daniel timing the coming of the Messiah and timing the prince who is to come... so this is not my assessment but a biblical fact.

Besides it's not biblical but just an assumption to suppose that a third temple must be built before the great tribulation.
 





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The question is TokiEL, are we or you ready, and what does it mean to be ready?
I can't speak for you or anybody else but will Jesus find us in unshakable faith and good work when He comes ? If so we we're ready.


Many are called but few are chosen.

The Lord God has His elect.

The untouchables.
 





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The Church will not be in the great Tribulation, But yes, things are waxing worse and worse.
Yep, they will..
Revelation 6:9-11
When the Lamb broke the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God, and because of the testimony which they had maintained; and they cried out with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, will You refrain from judging and avenging our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” And there was given to each of them a white robe; and they were told that they should rest for a little while longer, until the number of their fellow servants and their brethren who were to be killed even as they had been, would be completed also.​
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Mark‬ ‭13:9-13‬ ‭
But be on your guard; for they will deliver you to the courts, and you will be flogged in the synagogues, and you will stand before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them. The gospel must first be preached to all the nations. When they arrest you and hand you over, do not worry beforehand about what you are to say, but say whatever is given you in that hour; for it is not you who speak, but it is the Holy Spirit. Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; and children will rise up against parents and have them put to death. You will be hated by all because of My name, but the one who endures to the end, he will be saved.
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Besides it's not biblical but just an assumption to suppose that a third temple must be built before the great tribulation.
Nope!
Revelation‬ ‭11:1-2‬ ‭
Then there was given me a measuring rod like a staff; and someone said, “Get up and measure the temple of God and the altar, and those who worship in it. Leave out the court which is outside the temple and do not measure it, for it has been given to the nations; and they will tread under foot the holy city for forty-two months.
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Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.
 





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Yep, they will..
Revelation 6:9-11​

When the Lamb broke the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God, and because of the testimony which they had maintained; and they cried out with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, will You refrain from judging and avenging our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” And there was given to each of them a white robe; and they were told that they should rest for a little while longer, until the number of their fellow servants and their brethren who were to be killed even as they had been, would be completed also.​
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Mark‬ ‭13:9-13‬ ‭

But be on your guard; for they will deliver you to the courts, and you will be flogged in the synagogues, and you will stand before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them. The gospel must first be preached to all the nations. When they arrest you and hand you over, do not worry beforehand about what you are to say, but say whatever is given you in that hour; for it is not you who speak, but it is the Holy Spirit. Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; and children will rise up against parents and have them put to death. You will be hated by all because of My name, but the one who endures to the end, he will be saved.
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These are Tribulation saints...Not the Church.
 





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These are Tribulation saints...Not the Church.
That’s a lie. There is no such thing as tribulation saints, they are Christians. God doesn’t take out Christians during the tribulation and grows new ones, He enables you to do His will even in times of hardship. It is we who know God and can testify to Him, why in the world would He take us out? That makes no sense unless you want to escape and not die for your faith.
 





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That’s a lie. There is no such thing as tribulation saints, they are Christians. God doesn’t take out Christians during the tribulation and grows new ones, He enables you to do His will even in times of hardship. It is we who know God and can testify to Him, why in the world would He take us out? That makes no sense unless you want to escape and not die for your faith.
You have doctrinal issues, What denomination do you follow? Those preaching during the Tribulation will be the 144,000 anointed Jews. More people will be saved during the tribulation than at any other time in History...more than you can count. The church is already with Christ during this time...Now is our time of persecution, and many have been killed.
 





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You have doctrinal issues, What denomination do you follow? Those preaching during the Tribulation will be the 144,000 anointed Jews. More people will be saved during the tribulation than at any other time in History...more than you can count. The church is already with Christ during this time...Now is our time of persecution, and many have been killed.
I think you’re the one with the doctrinal issues if you are talking about tribulation saints, there isn’t any such thing.
I have views that don’t match one denomination but my family was catholicish and I was a baptist for awhile.

Notice the rapture doesn’t occur until after the 144,000 are sealed and the before the wrath of God..we are on the earth until then..so there aren’t tribulation saints here instead of us.

No, most people won’t be saved during the tribulation...notice that the Christians are bing killed and hated by all nations..there isn’t going to be a great outpouring of faith, in fact faith will be in short supply and we will have to endure to the end to be saved, because...
Matthew‬ ‭24:9-14‬ ‭
Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name. At that time many will fall away and will betray one another and hate one another. Many false prophets will arise and will mislead many. Because lawlessness is increased, most people’s love will grow cold. But the one who endures to the end, he will be saved. This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come.

Mark‬ ‭13:9-13‬ ‭‬‬
But be on your guard; for they will deliver you to the courts, and you will be flogged in the synagogues, and you will stand before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them. The gospel must first be preached to all the nations. When they arrest you and hand you over, do not worry beforehand about what you are to say, but say whatever is given you in that hour; for it is not you who speak, but it is the Holy Spirit. Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; and children will rise up against parents and have them put to death. You will be hated by all because of My name, but the one who endures to the end, he will be saved.
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We haven’t even started the time like that yet. No one is betraying and hating one another right now, ya people are falling away, but I don’t think this is the time the Bible talks about since in Mark people are betraying each to the death. People are rising up against each other and that’s not happening either. We are not in that period of time, and there hasn’t been a period like that before us, its to come and we will see that time, what does it say to do? Endure to the end to be saved.

Which is the reason I think people will fall away from the faith when they aren’t pre trib raptured and they will be so upset that they will hate the people who were actually right. Pre tribbers are only looking for a way out of the tribulation and are living for that, when that doesn’t come to pass I don’t think they will have faith enough to endure till the end. They will end up made at God for keeping them here and making them endure through the worst time in history and won’t be able to handle it.

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I think you’re the one with the doctrinal issues if you are talking about tribulation saints, there isn’t any such thing.
I have views that don’t match one denomination but my family was catholicish and I was a baptist for awhile.
The teachings of the Church is clear. Christ tell John to record three things (or events) in Christ prophecy., "Write the things which thou has seen, The things that are, and the Things that shall be HERAFTER"..(Rev.. 1:19), , After this.. After what? The first thing Christ talks about are the seven Churches. And at the end of the warnings and exhortations of the Churches, Chapter 4 starts out with, "After this," (After what?) After the Churches. I looked, and behold a door was opened in heaven; And the first voice I heard was as a Trumpet talking with me; which said," COME UP HERE", (compare with 1 Cor. 15:51-53) and I will show thee things that must be hereafter. After what?????.....After the Churches have been called up. Then begins the persecution of Israel and the wrath of God. The scene in heaven is the 24 elders on thrones around Christ with crowns, that are promised to the Church...the elders represent the Church and are ready to judge with Christ (Rev. 4:4) Crowns are promised to the Church as rewards and the Church is ready to judge the earth with Christ. The martyrs of the tribulation will serve God day and night in the temple. Just as the Levites were the priestly tribe...not all were priest, but many of the Levites served in the temple of God. So will it be for the tribulation saints. The Church is already with Christ at His throne (Rev. 7:9-17)
 





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I can't help you Lisa. You have your own religion. Keep your trust in Christ, but you lack understanding for teaching future things.
No, I’ve studied the end times, I believe that the pre trib rapture is a complete deception that will indeed shipwreck a lot of people’s faith because they will still be here to face the great tribulation and they won’t be ready to do so.

Isn’t that what the 10 virgins parable is all about anyway? 5 virgins aren’t ready, they fell asleep and they didn’t have enough oil when the groom came.

After what?????.....After the Churches have been called up. Then begins the persecution of Israel and the wrath of God. The scene in heaven is the 24 elders on thrones around Christ with crowns, that are promised to the Church...the elders represent the Church and are ready to judge with Christ (Rev. 4:4) Crowns are promised to the Church as rewards and the Church is ready to judge the earth with Christ. The martyrs of the tribulation will serve God day and night in the temple. Just as the Levites were the priestly tribe...not all were priest, but many of the Levites served in the temple of God. So will it be for the tribulation saints. The Church is already with Christ at His throne (Rev. 7:9-17)
After these things doesn’t mean that the church is raptured at that point, it just means that after he was shown about the state of the church, there is more to tell and be shown.

In the beginning of revelation, there arent many people in heaven that John sees, just the 24 elders and the 4 living creatures with Jesus. Later on in chapter 7, after the rapture then there are a multitude there in heaven. John is asking the elders, who are all these people because they weren’t there when he first got there.
Those Christians still went through the opening of the 6 seals and then we see in the beginning of chapter 8 the opening of the 7th seal and the beginning of God’s wrath. We weren’t appointed to wrath but we are going to stay to give our testimony to the people on earth during the tribulation. There aren’t baby Christians who are gonna sprout up and do it when we have been Christians longer and God can just use us.