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...not related to Syria/Turkey. but I did a search for "Venezuela" and this thread came up(?).... at any rate, Argentina has just elected a 'left-of-center' Peronist as their new President....
... no expert on the topic, but from vague understanding of what has gone on in Venezuela, I'm wondering if this may mean that Argentina is about to go the same way as Venezuela, by going 'left' to make the economy 'better'.... dunno...
...just throwing it out there.... interested to see what others with more knowledge have to say about either/both...

https://www.wlrn.org/post/amid-econ...wer-argentina-alberto-fern-ndez-new-president
Amid Economic Crisis, Peronists Return To Power In Argentina With Alberto Fernández As New President
By ALEJANDRA MARTINEZ

  • Peronist presidential candidate Alberto Fernández and running mate, former President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner, wave to supporters after incumbent President Mauricio Macri conceded defeat at the end of election day in Buenos Aires, Argentina, Sunday.
Center-left candidate Alberto Fernández has been elected as Argentina’s new president in the hope he will restore the country’s economy.

Fernández secured more than 45 percent of the vote needed to win and beat conservative outgoing president Mauricio Macri. Fernández ran as part of the Peronist party, which generally favors pro-worker policies. He's promising to rescue the country’s economy and improve the standard of living of residents through hire wages.

An interview about the Argentina elections, the future of the country and what it will mean for U.S. politics in Latin America.

Even before the election on Sunday night, polls predicted that Argentina’s President Mauricio Macri would be defeated. When Macri was elected in 2015, Argentines hoped the businessman could be the one to bring the economy back up and open the country to international investments. Instead, the Argentine peso has lost 35% of its value against the dollar and inflation and poverty rates are soaring. New president Fernández and his controversial vice presidential running mate, former president Cristina Fernández de Kirchner, will be sworn in on December 10.

Benjamin Gedan served as South America director on the National Security Council in the Obama White House and is now the deputy director of the Latin American program at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars. He’s written extensively on Argentina and its economic turmoil. Gedan followed the elections closely and joined Sundial, along with WLRN’s America’s Correspondent Tim Padgett, to discuss the future of Argentina and what it will mean for U.S. politics in Latin America.

This transcript has been lightly edited for clarity.

WLRN: Who exactly is Alberto Fernandez?

GEDAN: He's a not very well known political operative in Argentina, who served as chief of staff to Nestor Kirchner, former President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner's husband and predecessor. He briefly served as chief of staff to Cristina Fernandez de Kirschner and they had a very prominent falling out. He's been rather under the radar the last few years until he was plucked from obscurity by the former president to be her running mate.

What was his biggest campaign promise? What was he running on?

GEDAN: It's unclear he has much of a specific agenda of any kind. He had a lot of criticism of the management of Argentina's economy over the past few years and a lot of sort of basic populist promises to return Argentina to prosperity and increase consumer spending and employment, but not a lot of very specific policy ideas to rescue Argentina from what really is a disastrous economic situation.


Hundreds of Argentina flags wave in Miami Beach as the diaspora expresses their support for President Mauricio Macri.

Is it just about the economy?

PADGETT: It usually is in Argentina. In the past century or so, we've tended to go through these boom and bust cycles in Argentina. You have to remember, in terms of natural resources, what a wealthy country Argentina is: beef, soybeans and all kinds of other commodities. And the country tends to go through these boom and bust cycles where they have all these commodities windfalls that help governments really spend a lot on social programs, everything's looking great, but then all of this mismanagement, corruption sets in and everything goes south. Suddenly they'll turn to maybe a more conservative candidate to clean up the mess that the Peronist populace left and then that more conservative president won't be able to fix things and things will go south again and they'll turn again to the Peronist.

What do we know about the diaspora in South Florida and their feelings about the election?

PADGETT: Well, diasporas tend to be, especially here in South Florida, tend to be more politically conservative. They're the folks that are fleeing that disaster in countries like Argentina. I think they were hoping here that Macri would be able to clean up Cristina's mess more effectively than he did, but I think most of them understand why people voted again for the Peronist because Macri just wasn't able to clean up that mess.
 





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US troops will be protecting Syrian oilfieds from ISIS :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Lie #3: The Trump Administration Is Pulling US Troops Out Of Syria
This is not happening, and anyone who believes Trump is actually ending US involvement has been duped. It’s also not the first time we’ve heard promises from Donald Trump on an end to the wars in the Middle East.

Over a year ago Trump proclaimed that he would be pulling the troops out of Syria, yet, only a week later it was determined that they would remain. Recently Trump made the claim again, and only days later the Pentagon admitted that US troops were only going to be shifted back from the border while the Kurds, our former allies, would be attacked by Turkish forces. Turkey’s military spokesman has said that they will “correct the demographics changed by the YPG (Kurdish defense units much like citizen militias) in Northeast Syria”. In other words, the goal is ethnic cleansing, and as the Armenian genocide teaches us, the Turks are no strangers to ethnic cleansing.

Trump is not the only world leader to pull this kind of stunt, either. Vladimir Putin did the same thing in 2016, announcing an end to military action by Russia in Syria and a removal of troops, only to keep Russian forces there and well entrenched. The Russian presence has done little to prevent a flurry of Israeli air strikes against Syria, nor have they acted to prevent the Turkish invasion, so we must question what exactly Russia is still doing there as much as the US?

These constant fake-outs on a Syrian withdrawal are meant only for the general public as a way of pacifying concerns, and it seems to be working. To this day many people still believe that Trump had pulled US troops out of Syria (or is withdrawing them right now) and Putin pulled Russian troops out after “defeating ISIS”. None of this ever happened. If you tell a big lie enough times the uneducated masses will start to adopt it as the truth.
https://www.activistpost.com/2019/10/the-syrian-debacle-is-actually-well-planned-chaos.html


It seems as though you hate Assad's regime. Are your sentiments a result of only MSM or reading and watching both Independent outlets and MSM that you come to the conclusion that he is a bad guy for the Syrians?
Oil fields, and the continued push for regime change.

https://thegrayzone.com/2019/10/28/trump-million-syria-jihadist-white-helmets/

Continuing the regime-change war on Syria while denouncing it
"In a White House press briefing on October 23, President Donald Trump issued a shockingly honest denunciation of the US regime-change war on Syria and the violence and destruction it has wrought:

“Eight long years after President Obama’s ill-fated push at regime change, U.S. troops are still on the ground in Syria. More than half a million people are dead, hundreds of thousands are terribly injured, and millions more Syrians are displaced. It really is a nightmare of misery.

Across the Middle East, we have seen anguish on a colossal scale. We have spent $8 trillion on wars in the Middle East, never really wanting to win those wars. But after all that money was spent and all of those lives lost, the young men and women gravely wounded — so many — the Middle East is less safe, less stable, and less secure than before these conflicts began.”

Yet just the day before making this speech, the Trump White House had announced $4.5 million in additional funding for a group that has been at the center of that regime-change war on Syria.

Trump’s declaration also came in the same speech in which he announced that hundreds of American soldiers would remain in Syria to occupy the country’s oil and gas reserves, blocking the Syrian government from revenue needed to rebuild.

In May, the Trump administration also approved a Turkish shipment of US-made anti-tank missiles to Salafi-jihadist rebels fighting in Syria’s al-Qaeda-occupied Idlib province.

So while Trump publicly condemns regime change as a policy, the campaign to destabilize Syria continues directly under his watch."
 





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...not related to Syria/Turkey. but I did a search for "Venezuela" and this thread came up(?).... at any rate, Argentina has just elected a 'left-of-center' Peronist as their new President....
... no expert on the topic, but from vague understanding of what has gone on in Venezuela, I'm wondering if this may mean that Argentina is about to go the same way as Venezuela, by going 'left' to make the economy 'better'.... dunno...
...just throwing it out there.... interested to see what others with more knowledge have to say about either/both...

https://www.wlrn.org/post/amid-econ...wer-argentina-alberto-fern-ndez-new-president
Amid Economic Crisis, Peronists Return To Power In Argentina With Alberto Fernández As New President
By ALEJANDRA MARTINEZ

  • Peronist presidential candidate Alberto Fernández and running mate, former President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner, wave to supporters after incumbent President Mauricio Macri conceded defeat at the end of election day in Buenos Aires, Argentina, Sunday.
Center-left candidate Alberto Fernández has been elected as Argentina’s new president in the hope he will restore the country’s economy.

Fernández secured more than 45 percent of the vote needed to win and beat conservative outgoing president Mauricio Macri. Fernández ran as part of the Peronist party, which generally favors pro-worker policies. He's promising to rescue the country’s economy and improve the standard of living of residents through hire wages.

An interview about the Argentina elections, the future of the country and what it will mean for U.S. politics in Latin America.

Even before the election on Sunday night, polls predicted that Argentina’s President Mauricio Macriwould be defeated. When Macri was elected in 2015, Argentines hoped the businessman could be the one to bring the economy back up and open the country to international investments. Instead, the Argentine peso has lost 35% of its value against the dollar and inflation and poverty rates are soaring. New president Fernández and his controversial vice presidential running mate, former president Cristina Fernández de Kirchner, will be sworn in on December 10.

Benjamin Gedan served as South America director on the National Security Council in the Obama White House and is now the deputy director of the Latin American program at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars. He’s written extensively on Argentina and its economic turmoil. Gedan followed the elections closely and joined Sundial, along with WLRN’s America’s Correspondent Tim Padgett, to discuss the future of Argentina and what it will mean for U.S. politics in Latin America.

This transcript has been lightly edited for clarity.

WLRN: Who exactly is Alberto Fernandez?

GEDAN: He's a not very well known political operative in Argentina, who served as chief of staff to Nestor Kirchner, former President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner's husband and predecessor. He briefly served as chief of staff to Cristina Fernandez de Kirschner and they had a very prominent falling out. He's been rather under the radar the last few years until he was plucked from obscurity by the former president to be her running mate.

What was his biggest campaign promise? What was he running on?

GEDAN: It's unclear he has much of a specific agenda of any kind. He had a lot of criticism of the management of Argentina's economy over the past few years and a lot of sort of basic populist promises to return Argentina to prosperity and increase consumer spending and employment, but not a lot of very specific policy ideas to rescue Argentina from what really is a disastrous economic situation.


Hundreds of Argentina flags wave in Miami Beach as the diaspora expresses their support for President Mauricio Macri.

Is it just about the economy?

PADGETT: It usually is in Argentina. In the past century or so, we've tended to go through these boom and bust cycles in Argentina. You have to remember, in terms of natural resources, what a wealthy country Argentina is: beef, soybeans and all kinds of other commodities. And the country tends to go through these boom and bust cycles where they have all these commodities windfalls that help governments really spend a lot on social programs, everything's looking great, but then all of this mismanagement, corruption sets in and everything goes south. Suddenly they'll turn to maybe a more conservative candidate to clean up the mess that the Peronist populace left and then that more conservative president won't be able to fix things and things will go south again and they'll turn again to the Peronist.

What do we know about the diaspora in South Florida and their feelings about the election?

PADGETT: Well, diasporas tend to be, especially here in South Florida, tend to be more politically conservative. They're the folks that are fleeing that disaster in countries like Argentina. I think they were hoping here that Macri would be able to clean up Cristina's mess more effectively than he did, but I think most of them understand why people voted again for the Peronist because Macri just wasn't able to clean up that mess.
Perhaps they can ally with Venezuela and stand together against the regime-change conflicts and efforts directed at them by the IMF/WTO/World Bankers & etc.
 





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So, apparently the ISIS leader is dead and Trump watched the raid via live feed. Obviously his supporters will exclaim “job well done”. Why does all this seem like déjà vu? And are we supposed to take that announcement as credible? Sure, he watched the raid but how do we conclusively know that it was Baghdadi and not his doppelganger?
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Rewinding back to 2011, Obama watches a raid on a Pakistani compound where bin Laden was supposedly holed up even though the assassinated ex-Pakistani PM, Benazir Bhutto, said that he died in 2001. (Look at Hillary, expression made it even less believable)
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Celebrations in the streets after the announcement.
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Not long after that ISIS is born and the movie Zero Dark Thirty is released.

The “killing off” of the ISIS leader in the same manner as the supposed death of OBL could either mean that ISIS has served its purpose as ALQ and we should either expect another terror group to fall off the production line OR there won’t be another terror group to take ISIS’ place because TPTB expect the region to go up in flames, as in a major conflagration.

Lebanon is next up on the list and I don’t think Hezbollah will just sit on their hands as everything falls apart.

Waiting for another Oscar-nominated, Kathryn Bigelow picture….
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Movies are as movies go…: Maybe he was actually watching a movie but wasn’t clued-in on the fact that it was a movie.

"President Trump stated that he monitored the US particular forces mission that took out Islamic State terrorist Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi from the White Home Scenario Room in real-time and it felt “as though you were watching a movie.”
___________
[Giulietto] Chiesa reveals a briefing for EU politicians from 2005 that was produced by Washington thinktank, CSIS. The presentation was based on a fictional incident of nuclear terrorism in Brussels. Following the fictionalized incident, the EU audience that was invited to the event was presented with a digitized version of Osama Bin Laden claiming responsibility for the attack.
Chiesa relates that the parliamentarians present at the briefing were dumbstruck. The authenticity of the "confession" video was stunning. It led to one un-named politician to stand up and question the veracity of all of the OBL videotapes that have been presented to the public since 9/11.
(Source: Documentary ZERO:9/11)
Netanyahu.... playing all sides against each other. As usual.......
Thank God for the truther movement, otherwise we'd still believe as truth this nonsense that Bibi spouts.
 





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So, apparently the ISIS leader is dead and Trump watched the raid via live feed. Obviously his supporters will exclaim “job well done”. Why does all this seem like déjà vu? And are we supposed to take that announcement as credible? Sure, he watched the raid but how do we conclusively know that it was Baghdadi and not his doppelganger?
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Rewinding back to 2011, Obama watches a raid on a Pakistani compound where bin Laden was supposedly holed up even though the assassinated ex-Pakistani PM, Benazir Bhutto, said that he died in 2001. (Look at Hillary, expression made it even less believable)
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Celebrations in the streets after the announcement.
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Not long after that ISIS is born and the movie Zero Dark Thirty is released.

The “killing off” of the ISIS leader in the same manner as the supposed death of OBL could either mean that ISIS has served its purpose as ALQ and we should either expect another terror group to fall off the production line OR there won’t be another terror group to take ISIS’ place because TPTB expect the region to go up in flames, as in a major conflagration.

Lebanon is next up on the list and I don’t think Hezbollah will just sit on their hands as everything falls apart.

Waiting for another Oscar-nominated, Kathryn Bigelow picture….
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Movies are as movies go…: Maybe he was actually watching a movie but wasn’t clued-in on the fact that it was a movie.

"President Trump stated that he monitored the US particular forces mission that took out Islamic State terrorist Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi from the White Home Scenario Room in real-time and it felt “as though you were watching a movie.”
___________
[Giulietto] Chiesa reveals a briefing for EU politicians from 2005 that was produced by Washington thinktank, CSIS. The presentation was based on a fictional incident of nuclear terrorism in Brussels. Following the fictionalized incident, the EU audience that was invited to the event was presented with a digitized version of Osama Bin Laden claiming responsibility for the attack.
Chiesa relates that the parliamentarians present at the briefing were dumbstruck. The authenticity of the "confession" video was stunning. It led to one un-named politician to stand up and question the veracity of all of the OBL videotapes that have been presented to the public since 9/11.
(Source: Documentary ZERO:9/11)

Thank God for the truther movement, otherwise we'd still believe as truth this nonsense that Bibi spouts.
I agree that is the question to ask: why now?

I don't know if you saw it but a former White House photographer doubts the photo of the "live" briefing:

Photo of Trump Watching Baghdadi Raid was Staged
 





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So, apparently the ISIS leader is dead and Trump watched the raid via live feed. Obviously his supporters will exclaim “job well done”. Why does all this seem like déjà vu? And are we supposed to take that announcement as credible? Sure, he watched the raid but how do we conclusively know that it was Baghdadi and not his doppelganger?
View attachment 26977
Rewinding back to 2011, Obama watches a raid on a Pakistani compound where bin Laden was supposedly holed up even though the assassinated ex-Pakistani PM, Benazir Bhutto, said that he died in 2001. (Look at Hillary, expression made it even less believable)
View attachment 26978
Celebrations in the streets after the announcement.
View attachment 26979

View attachment 26980

Not long after that ISIS is born and the movie Zero Dark Thirty is released.

The “killing off” of the ISIS leader in the same manner as the supposed death of OBL could either mean that ISIS has served its purpose as ALQ and we should either expect another terror group to fall off the production line OR there won’t be another terror group to take ISIS’ place because TPTB expect the region to go up in flames, as in a major conflagration.

Lebanon is next up on the list and I don’t think Hezbollah will just sit on their hands as everything falls apart.

Waiting for another Oscar-nominated, Kathryn Bigelow picture….
_____________
Movies are as movies go…: Maybe he was actually watching a movie but wasn’t clued-in on the fact that it was a movie.

"President Trump stated that he monitored the US particular forces mission that took out Islamic State terrorist Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi from the White Home Scenario Room in real-time and it felt “as though you were watching a movie.”
___________
[Giulietto] Chiesa reveals a briefing for EU politicians from 2005 that was produced by Washington thinktank, CSIS. The presentation was based on a fictional incident of nuclear terrorism in Brussels. Following the fictionalized incident, the EU audience that was invited to the event was presented with a digitized version of Osama Bin Laden claiming responsibility for the attack.
Chiesa relates that the parliamentarians present at the briefing were dumbstruck. The authenticity of the "confession" video was stunning. It led to one un-named politician to stand up and question the veracity of all of the OBL videotapes that have been presented to the public since 9/11.
(Source: Documentary ZERO:9/11)

Thank God for the truther movement, otherwise we'd still believe as truth this nonsense that Bibi spouts.
Fantastic post!
 





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I agree that is the question to ask: why now?

I don't know if you saw it but a former White House photographer doubts the photo of the "live" briefing:

Photo of Trump Watching Baghdadi Raid was Staged
I don’t know, but I believe the photo to be legit. I mean why would it be staged? Why would they stage both the photo and raid? What I believe 100% to not to be legit is what they were watching. Even the timing of the news, it broke on Sunday so that it would dominate the news cycle for the coming week.

Some big names in the truther community still insist that Trump “luckily got in” and that he is fighting the deep state. This, to me, further proves them as lying to themselves. TPTB have Trump’s back and this development serves them more than it does Trump. This is a ‘win’ they have put on his plate (re-election chances) and his base but the “win” will come at a cost. It is as much a geopolitical game-changer as bin Laden’s “death” was.

Going by history or previous events, bin Laden’s “death” was a win for Obama but what happened after that? Isis came into the picture and as a pretext, the US got mired even deeper in the Middle East. The balkanization of Syria became somewhat of a given and other countries got lured in (France, through the 2015 Bataclan attacks). Personally, iam not expecting anything less than that. Those who think that this is a “win” for Trump are lying to themselves. TPTB stand to gain the most from this, and whatever they stand to gain will be on his watch. This is a harbinger for expanding costs of war, troops not withdrawing and other crazy things.
 





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Oil fields, and the continued push for regime change.

https://thegrayzone.com/2019/10/28/trump-million-syria-jihadist-white-helmets/

Continuing the regime-change war on Syria while denouncing it
"In a White House press briefing on October 23, President Donald Trump issued a shockingly honest denunciation of the US regime-change war on Syria and the violence and destruction it has wrought:

“Eight long years after President Obama’s ill-fated push at regime change, U.S. troops are still on the ground in Syria. More than half a million people are dead, hundreds of thousands are terribly injured, and millions more Syrians are displaced. It really is a nightmare of misery.

Across the Middle East, we have seen anguish on a colossal scale. We have spent $8 trillion on wars in the Middle East, never really wanting to win those wars. But after all that money was spent and all of those lives lost, the young men and women gravely wounded — so many — the Middle East is less safe, less stable, and less secure than before these conflicts began.”

Yet just the day before making this speech, the Trump White House had announced $4.5 million in additional funding for a group that has been at the center of that regime-change war on Syria.

Trump’s declaration also came in the same speech in which he announced that hundreds of American soldiers would remain in Syria to occupy the country’s oil and gas reserves, blocking the Syrian government from revenue needed to rebuild.

In May, the Trump administration also approved a Turkish shipment of US-made anti-tank missiles to Salafi-jihadist rebels fighting in Syria’s al-Qaeda-occupied Idlib province.

So while Trump publicly condemns regime change as a policy, the campaign to destabilize Syria continues directly under his watch."
For some unknown reason, when i read this post of yours, i found myself with this: The Road to Damascus

"The passage of the Syria Accountability Act in the House of Representatives with only 4 votes against it on October 15 could be dismissed as mere pandering by legislators eager to prove how earnestly pro-Israel they are in the run-up to a costly election campaign. But even if Representatives only voted for it out of callow expediency, the Act threatens to mean much more.

In fact, the honorable gentlemen and women have lent their names and votes to a set of assertions that paves a forensic trail for tanks on the Road to Damascus. The Accountability Act sets out, in even more detail than the administration had done over Iraq, a host of reasons for an invasion of Syria. And of course President Bush did not forget to mention the lack of democracy in Syria in his speech to the National Endowment for Democracy on November 6th, where he invoked democratization as his expediently retrospective rationale for invading Iraq.

The Accountability Act and a host of statements from the usual suspects in the administration, invoke every spurious reason for action against Damascus that led to the current quicksand in Baghdad. Support for terrorism, possession of weapons of mass destruction, and indeed harboring Iraqi Ba'athists and the missing weapons. Congressmen who may well oppose the idea of another war would find it difficult to deny their votes of alleged Syrian perfidy that matches anything concocted against Iraq.

The warnings began immediately after the Iraq invasion--but have now resumed. In May, Under Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security John Bolton alleged, "The United States also knows that Syria has long had a chemical warfare program. It has a stockpile of the nerve agent sarin and is engaged in research and development of the more toxic and persistent nerve agent VX. Syria... is pursuing the development of biological weapons and is able to produce at least small amounts of biological warfare agents."

We often associate Syria with Obama but its kinda terrifying to look back now, over these pieces and wonder how we didn't see it all clearly then. Apart from the Clean Break and PNAC documents, its kinda weird that the fall of Syria really took off under Bush. This Accountabilty Act seems little-known about and rarely, if ever mentioned.