America pulls out and Turkey pulls in

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The media worked very hard to create and sustain this war so they are visibly upset.
The American troops which were there illegally have left. The Iranians and Russians, which the Syrian government invited to help them fight ISIS will be able to now. Because America and Israel were defending and supplying ISIS, the cause of the civil war.
Don’t believe the hype

the Kurds are in a difficult situation since they lost their nation after WWI. However they have killed 40 000 Turkish people in the last 10 years through terrorist attacks. So maybe they can just stop. Although there isn’t a good solution to that problem at hand
 





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Why would they do that?
ISIS were the rebel group which was used to start the civil war. They were extremely effective in destabilizing the nation without American or Israeli troops having to do it - a proxy army. They wanted this region destabilized for a multitude of reasons. One was to secure the oil rich Golan heights for Israel. Another was to prevent the Syrian government from being able to sell their oil to Russian markets. Another was, if you believe it goes this deep, to destabilize the population and send them to Europe, creating social unrest and damaging their culturally homogenous societies.


Watch Assads interviews, he is a Western educated, English speaking doctor, and 80% of his population voted for him, some walking for marathons to do so. Aside from being informative, these interviews are a beautiful demonstration of the situation - the media machine, being the left hand of the war machine, asking insane and loaded questions, and Assad, speaking reasonably and cutting through their lies that they have been able to propogate about the situation with exemplary reason and honesty. It is truly a picture of this war-
 





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ISIS were the rebel group which was used to start the civil war. They were extremely effective in destabilizing the nation without American or Israeli troops having to do it - a proxy army. They wanted this region destabilized for a multitude of reasons. One was to secure the oil rich Golan heights for Israel. Another was to prevent the Syrian government from being able to sell their oil to Russian markets. Another was, if you believe it goes this deep, to destabilize the population and send them to Europe, creating social unrest and damaging their culturally homogenous societies.


Watch Assads interviews, -
Or isis was created by muslims wanting to jump start their end times prophecies? Going to Syria and all..

Syria doesn’t seem to be a match for Turkey though, unless Russia gets involved. Will that then pull the US back in?
 





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Or isis was created by muslims wanting to jump start their end times prophecies? Going to Syria and all..

Syria doesn’t seem to be a match for Turkey though, unless Russia gets involved. Will that then pull the US back in?
They might have been created by Islamists, but the only reason they've lasted this long is because of American and Israeli backing. This isn't even out of the mainstream, the news calls ISIS "syrian rebels" when they want to paint them in a good light. That means ISIS and al Quaida.

When the US pulls out then the affairs can be decided by the region. Russia will help the Syrian government stabilize like they have been trying to do for almost a decade.

The US will get "pulled back in" only if Israel calls them to start another proxy war. Now that they illegally obtained the Golan heights they gave America the "ok" to pull their troops out
 





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They might have been created by Islamists, but the only reason they've lasted this long is because of American and Israeli backing. This isn't even out of the mainstream, the news calls ISIS "syrian rebels" when they want to paint them in a good light. That means ISIS and al Quaida.

When the US pulls out then the affairs can be decided by the region. Russia will help the Syrian government stabilize like they have been trying to do for almost a decade.

The US will get "pulled back in" only if Israel calls them to start another proxy war. Now that they illegally obtained the Golan heights they gave America the "ok" to pull their troops out
What do you mean they’ve only lasted this long because of US and Israeli backing...how many muslims are in the world?

How is Russia’s involvement be deemed affairs decided by the region? Aren’t they butting in to a situation that they don’t have the right to? Why is the US bad here but Russia is good? Is it because one supports Israel and the other doesn’t?

How did Israel illegally obtain the Golan Heights? There was a war, they got the land...that’s how it works sometimes. I don’t think Israel wants a war with anyone in the ME..otherwise that would have happened a long time ago. If they wanted a war, they could displace all the Palestinians and take control over the Temple Mount, but curiously, they live with the Palestinians and they also gave the muslims control of the Temple Mount. Then there’s all the peace treaty’s they’ve tried to sign with the terrorist muslim governments that the terrorists would not sign because Israel would still be a people living there.
 





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Honestly Lisa I don't want to go into a 7 page back and forth against the mainstream talking points with you. I gleaned two questions out of your posts, heres the answers

"How is Russia’s involvement be deemed affairs decided by the region? Aren’t they butting in to a situation that they don’t have the right to?" No they were asked to go there by the Syrian government. America was butting in

"How did Israel illegally obtain the Golan Heights? " Because they were acting against United Nations law.
 





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Why is the US bad here but Russia is good? Is it because one supports Israel and the other doesn’t?
Us gave weapons to ISIS, now we have evidence that France also gave ISIS weapons and money through private companies to take down Assad. Not to mention that the French army have violated the United Nations laws to attack Syria and destroy so called 'chemical weapons' without evidence.
Islamists were sustained by Europe then our Governments suddenly asked to open all our borders to Syrian refugees who all appears to be mentally ill since we hear about terrorist attacks every month since then.

Russia prevented WW3 in 2014 and helped to weaken ISIS so yeah they are the good guys in that but we are at the edge of a civil war in our societies because of the aftermath.

Ps: Yes Islamists also follow an apocalyptic eschatology that's why a lot of muslims in europe joined ISIS. It's a big mess and it won't end well for Israel if Iran gets involved
 





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Honestly Lisa I don't want to go into a 7 page back and forth against the mainstream talking points with you. I gleaned two questions out of your posts, heres the answers

"How is Russia’s involvement be deemed affairs decided by the region? Aren’t they butting in to a situation that they don’t have the right to?" No they were asked to go there by the Syrian government. America was butting in

"How did Israel illegally obtain the Golan Heights? " Because they were acting against United Nations law.
I’m not talking main stream talking points..I think you are however by saying that the US and Israel is involved with isis. Seriously...how many muslims are in the world and they are led around by the nose? Really? They don’t have any involvement other than to be someone’s proxy army? I think they have their own agenda and they go from there.

So, then that region will still have foreign involvement and not have their affairs decided by the region, right?

Israel was in a war...I guess if the Syrian’s could have held on to the Golan Heights they’d still have it?
 





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Us gave weapons to ISIS, now we have evidence that France also gave ISIS weapons and money through private companies to take down Assad. Not to mention that the French army have violated the United Nations laws to attack Syria and destroy so called 'chemical weapons' without evidence.
Islamists were sustained by Europe then our Governments suddenly asked to open all our borders to Syrian refugees who all appears to be mentally ill since we hear about terrorist attacks every month since then.

Russia prevented WW3 in 2014 and helped to weaken ISIS so yeah they are the good guys in that but we are at the edge of a civil war in our societies because of the aftermath.

Ps: Yes Islamists also follow an apocalyptic eschatology that's why a lot of muslims in europe joined ISIS. It's a big mess and it won't end well for Israel if Iran gets involved
It’s unfortunate that Western Europe has let in so many immigrants, that seems to be a disaster, and it doesn’t seem to matter if they are refugees from Syria or not, it seems to be a case of being muslim.

Is it mental illness to follow the orders of a book that says you have to terrorize and or kill non muslims?

I can see the US wanting to give isis help when obama was in office since he hated Bibi and the Jews so much...but I can’t see trump doing that and maybe that’s why he wants to pull the troops out?
 





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Trump gave the border regions of Syria to Erdogan in order to satiate Turkish regional arrogance and ambition. The few US troops that were there actually prevented Turkey and other MEern bad actors from full-scaling the disaster. They barely had to fight, just maintain a presence w/the Kurds to keep a lid on the situation as it simmered down. Now (surprise, surprise) Trumps action here has effected the price of oil significantly, which wouldnt have been one of the main objectives all-along would it?

Dont fret you Zionists, Christian Zionists, Crypto Zionists, Saudi royal family supporters, petro-dollar devotees and whomever else is on the bandwagon..... sooner or later (smart money is on the former) there will be another "adventure" involving one of your fiascos for our troops to fight, kill and die over.
 





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Trump gave the border regions of Syria to Erdogan in order to satiate Turkish regional arrogance and ambition. The few US troops that were there actually prevented Turkey and other MEern bad actors from full-scaling the disaster. They barely had to fight, just maintain a presence w/the Kurds to keep a lid on the situation as it simmered down. Now (surprise, surprise) Trumps action here has effected the price of oil significantly, which wouldnt have been one of the main objectives all-along would it?

Dont fret you Zionists, Christian Zionists, Crypto Zionists, Saudi royal family supporters, petro-dollar devotees and whomever else is on the bandwagon..... sooner or later (smart money is on the former) there will be another "adventure" involving one of your fiascos for our troops to fight, kill and die over.
The US can’t win can we? Either we are the police of the world or we let everyone down by pulling out of the ME...
 





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It's funny that some people actually believe that Russia is the good-hearted angel savior of Syria when they are backing Assad and his regime.
 





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I really don't understand why the US and Brits keep trying to undermine Assad and take him out. With his background and temperament, he could be a huge asset to Western efforts to stabilize the region. And you would think they would have learned, after taking out Morsi and destabilizing Egypt, taking out Qaddafi and destabilizing Libya, and all the way back to taking out the Shah and destabilizing Iran, what happened every single time? The Muslim extremists moved into the power vacuum, and the people of every one of those countries suffered the loss of many freedoms and democratic institutions.

He seems to be a good and concientious leader to his people, trying to navigate between the Turkish govt., Iraqi and Daesh tribes (for lack of a better word) all wanting pieces of their territory. He doesn't make a bunch of noise against Isreal, while he seems to have decent relations with Jordan, the Saudis and even Iran.

It's situations like this that make it obvious that the PTB do not want a stable Middle East.
 





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