Alex Jones Channel 100% Removed from You Tube and Facebook

[Helioform]

That is called the price of freedom. We are not designed to agree with everything we see and hear and, again, have the ability to shut it out. The reason this situation is so big is that he had a large following and that it happened on the same day Owens and others were intimidated who have their own views. For one who claims not to be left or right, you sure seem to sway a certain way per comments.

I can shut them out but YT keeps putting them on my feed even if I do. Sometimes the thumbnails themselves are eyebrow raising if not just annoying, click baity or whatever. I do not sway either way, I have reported "leftist" videos for being also annoying so I am not just talking about Jones here. Sometimes it doesn't have anything to do with politics at all, but still is content that I don't want to watch but YT puts it there because their algorithm is screwy.

 

[Masked crusader7]

its comming to an end the deception

 

[The Zone]

That is just it. YT forces people to look at opposing views via their algo's and it is by design. If you watch conservative videos and have it set to jump to the next video, it will pull up a liberal video and vice versa. It is their way of making you see what they want you to see for various reasons. Honestly, all the crap YT puts on my feed thinking I will like I end up deleting. It is as if they are not learning my viewing behavior at all but instead offering up crap. I never report videos on YT but tire of their schemes.

Most recently, google did the same thing with news. Once, you could alter it to your tastes completely ignoring certain outlets. Two months ago they said they improved it while giving you a "For me," feature which forces you to go through what they want you to see on the main page. You can no longer avoid MSM stooge sites. It is all about control and Jones is just a pawn for further agendas.

 

[Helioform]

Yeah. How many Flat Earth BS videos will I have to close for example? It's not because I watch alt news that I believe in this FE crap. Or what about Planet X nonsense? I swear I am fed up with YT sometimes. Their algorithm only matches the most commonly used words said in the videos, it doesn't eliminate vids with words that completely contradict what you usually watch.

 

[Faker He-Man]

This is youtube's choice though. It's their call to make, not anyone else's. I see freedom of speech brought up, but what about a private website's freedom to host or to not host whatever videos they choose?

If anything, the public are mostly to blame for allowing themselves to become so dependent on these private platforms. Maybe we need a public-access version of youtube where no censorship is allowed. Oh wait, that's probably too socialist lol

 

[Corvus Metus]

I don't think anyone is going to argue that it's a bigger problem that Alex Jones, but even more mainstream YouTubers like Philip Defranco have been talking about this sort of thing for the last couple of years. Left-leaning YouTubers never were able to make money on YouTube either... Especially one's that expressively denounce capitalism. 'cause if there's one thing that advertisers don't want to hear is that their practices and exploitative.

Either way, Jones is just another "victim" (although I'd argue Jones is like Logan Paul or PewDiePie, in the fact that he's big enough that even if YouTube bans them, it doesn't matter) of what's already set in place because YouTube isn't a platform where we can share our thoughts (even if people do) but one where things are being sold to us on videos that just so happen to have people express our thoughts.

 

[polymoog]

Yeah. How many Flat Earth BS videos will I have to close for example? It's not because I watch alt news that I believe in this FE crap. Or what about Planet X nonsense? I swear I am fed up with YT sometimes. Their algorithm only matches the most commonly used words said in the videos, it doesn't eliminate vids with words that completely contradict what you usually watch.

problem, reaction, solution.

 

[polymoog]

 

[Helioform]

problem, reaction, solution.

What would be the solution for this ? If they want to lose their customers by pissing them off with ads and unwanted content then they are on the right track. Maybe in a few years they will say "let's hook up your brain to your computer so we can know better what to feed you."

 

[polymoog]

What would be the solution for this ? If they want to lose their customers by pissing them off with ads and unwanted content then they are on the right track. Maybe in a few years they will say "let's hook up your brain to your computer so we can know better what to feed you."

you couldnt stand all of the rightist and conspiracy stuff, now you got your wish. hes gone, and now theyll try and knock out the rest of the "hateful" channels. you can now get all of your official news from authoritative sources.

 

[Helioform]

you couldnt stand all of the rightist and conspiracy stuff, now you got your wish. hes gone, and now theyll try and knock out the rest of the "hateful" channels. you can now get all of your official news from authoritative sources.

I don't mind rightists at all. I just cannot stand Alex because he just can't defend his position without resorting to bullying insulting and provocation. Which is exactly why he got banned from those platforms. If they start going after all conspiracy channels for the same reason, but not justified, then I will start to worry. If anything his fans being gullible as they are, they will see him as a martyr and stand behind him even more strongly.

 

[elsbet]

What would be the solution for this ? If they want to lose their customers by pissing them off with ads and unwanted content then they are on the right track. Maybe in a few years they will say "let's hook up your brain to your computer so we can know better what to feed you."

LOL @ "Maybe"

 

[Trenton]

I get what you're saying with concern to rules via corporations. They have lured all people in but are now going after many on the right and we are not talking Alex Jones. While people can jump to other venues, they are purposefully doing this before elections and caving into those who are loudest. I mean, the CEO of Twitter has to remove his own tweet and apologize for eating at a Chic-Fil-A in that it is deemed anti-gay and such because it closes on Sundays and has Christian values. What is considered hate speech these days is being made up as they go. Jones was over the top in many ways but no more so than some others. And have you seen what is allowed on YT? As in some of VC's articles past? Corporations cannot squelch free speech....yet.

It should be noted that even right-leaning fox news is calling him a conspiracy loon, so this was an across the board agenda. But, again, this is about free speech for me and not Jones. While he has some nuggets at times, he is notoriously over the top.

Lol Chick-fil-A is anti gay because their CEO donates money to anti gay propaganda and conversion therapy. Not because they're closed on Sundays. Jesus.

 

[The Zone]

The thinking is if nothing happens with this ban of the guy with a couple of million followers, the others will go down with little or no fanfare. Also, it is worth noting that leftist sites were also banned around a year ago which the corporate run media did not like. People may ask, who runs America? The people, the politicians or the corporations?

While Jones has some assinine stuff on his site, there were a few gems of truth and coverage of recent marches where the MSM calls normal right types alt right were exposing. As was his comments on how Google and FB and the tech giants are in bed with China for both censorship, money and control of more people.

It surprises me how many people are being so easily dosed and accepting of what is to come.

Lol Chick-fil-A is anti gay because their CEO donates money to anti gay propaganda and conversion therapy. Not because they're closed on Sundays. Jesus.

But blaming the chickin sandwich and a great one at that is insane I have seen CFL welcome everybody including gay people on a regular basis. If we start boycotting any business for their beliefs we are in trouble, IMHO. . There is an openly gay assistant manager at one near me, so go figure. But to Jack Dorsey's credit (CEO) he has yet to remove Jones from Twitter as of today. And that could be because of the Owens controversy

 

[Trenton]

The thinking is if nothing happens with this ban of the guy with a couple of million followers, the others will go down with little or no fanfare. Also, it is worth noting that leftist sites were also banned around a year ago which the corporate run media did not like. People may ask, who runs America? The people, the politicians or the corporations?

While Jones has some assinine stuff on his site, there were a few gems of truth and coverage of recent marches where the MSM calls normal right types alt right were exposing. As was his comments on how Google and FB and the tech giants are in bed with China for both censorship, money and control of more people.

It surprises me how many people are being so easily dosed and accepting of what is to come.


But blaming the chickin sandwich and a great one at that is insane I have seen CFL welcome everybody including gay people on a regular basis. If we start boycotting any business for their beliefs we are in trouble, IMHO.

I'm not saying anyone should apologize for eating their food. Let alone feel ashamed. Just wanted to clear up the issue isn't that they're a Christian restaurant, the issue is their CEO being a total loser.

 

[rainerann]

Personally, I think the biggest issue with something like this is the sense of false advertising. Up to this point, companies like YouTube and Facebook advertise the impression that everyone is free to use these services in the same way as everyone is free to use their own phones in any way they wish. However, that is going to be something that is difficult to achieve when other people are aware of what everyone else is saying. Social media is almost like being able to listen to a bunch of people's private phone conversations that you used to be pleasantly ignorant of. So in some respects, I understand the challenges this creates for people behind these companies. People are only human after all.

Therefore, I think that things like this should lead to either requiring social media companies to better define the services; or requiring them to adhere to a standard definition of free speech. I don't think these companies will initiate a decision in either direction independent of legal action because it will reduce their audience. Reducing their audience will affect the amount of money these companies are capable of making, which has been demonstrated recently since shares in Twitter and Facebook have been consistently dropping because of things like this. So it is probably going to get worse before it gets better, but in theory, it is resolvable.

This can either result in being forced to identify as a special interest social media site that will allow users to make a more informed decision on whether or not they want to join this site; or they could agree to comply with a standard for free speech that will allow people using the service to seek legal recourse when they feel like this right has been violated. There should be only two ways for this to go, but we have a lot of sell-out politicians converting this countries processes into a farce. So I guess we will have to wait and see.

 

[Helioform]

While Jones has some assinine stuff on his site, there were a few gems of truth and coverage of recent marches where the MSM calls normal right types alt right were exposing.

Sure he said some stuff that was true but that is how disinfo works. I really think he is just an agent placed there to make us look like lunatics. Some of the videos he did I nearly pissed myself laughing so much it was over the top with bad acting. Like when he was crying when Trump attacked Syria, saying he was "poop on his shoes." No one in their right mind would believe this guy after this, only maybe those who know that some of what he says is true.

 

[polymoog]

Lol I am no leftist. I don't associate with bipartisan politics. Jones has just been an asshole for so long this is just karma coming back to hit him. I am not pro corporation but these companies offer people a place to speak and you are acting like they owe anything to anyone.

you say you are not a leftist, but by backing them with their anti-free speech actions, you become authoritarian.

its mind boggling to me that the people like you who believe in the whole russian bot/russian collusion cant see the in-your-face censorship going on against conservatives on social media. its a conspiracy only when its convenient for the left.

platforms like YT are monopolies and should be regulated as public utilities. that aside, everyone on this board should be up in arms, putting aside their different opinions and denouncing the violation of free speech thats going on. we let this slide, and the conspiracy theorists are next. thats everyone here on the board, even the trolls.

 

[Aero]

I don't really disagree with banning Alex Jones. But I'm not going to celebrate because that would be a red herring. You know? I would be misleading people into thinking this is some major victory. Now, if Jones was on your hit-list than go ahead and be happy. But allow me to put things into perspective.

He is a small part of a much bigger problem. And it's not conspiracies. It's this extreme sort of confirmation bias we see in characters like Jones. These characters are all over the media too. You can watch them every day telling each other to be fair and balanced. While they continue to fuel the same old fires. Day after day like full of shit fucking robots.

Maybe that was a little harsh. I like Megyn Kelly, she makes a conscious effort not to annoy me. And still does sometimes, but that's ok. I even like Fox and Friends now. They have gotten way better. But I also think they might just be trying not to annoy me. So with that said. I definitely understand why people worry about mob mentality.

If the mob is forcing people to act a certain way. Then we aren't really improving what we may think we are. The search engine algorithms come to mind here too. People are just clicking on what the corporations want them to click on. And it's all about advertisement revenue. Like you could have the worst video on installing a car stereo. But your channel is getting more clicks on ads for some reason. Or you have drummed up more subscribers somehow. And despite your videos being less quality than others. Welcome to the trending list.

 

[Corvus Metus]

you couldnt stand all of the rightist and conspiracy stuff, now you got your wish. hes gone, and now theyll try and knock out the rest of the "hateful" channels. you can now get all of your official news from authoritative sources.

Can we stop trying to make this a right-wing versus left-wing thing? Since you know, the issue with YouTube (specifically) go beyond politics and at the end of the day, no matter what they say, this decision was one by business.

Yes, there absolutely have right-wing YouTubers have been told they can't make money off their videos or got hit with age restrictions. But the same happens to left-wing YouTuber (especially explicitly anti-capitalist ones), LGBT YouTubers, even even comedy YouTubers who get a little too raunchy. YouTube doesn't care what you believe, it just cares about whether or not it can market you into something it can sell to advertisers.