"Observed fact."It's not a lie, it's an observed fact... they can't experience pain until around 24 weeks. Before that time, they cannot.
Yep.That's six months
Nope.the statement is false
Lol, I don't view any propaganda websites and I didn't get my information from uncredible sources as you may have... I don't know what you're reading but my claims are based upon the available scientific evidencethe Propaganda sites (to which you limit yourself) admit its sooner
That is not true.It's not a lie, it's an observed fact... they can't experience pain until around 24 weeks. Before that time, they cannot.
The fetus can not feel any pain until after the 4th month. Most abortions are done prior to the 3rd month anyway except in cases of serious medical conditions. Anything before that is pressure or chemical reactions.That is not true.
Abby Johnson and others who have witnessed abortions have seen via ultrasound the so-called "clump of cells" move away from the canula, the vacuum. If the fetus wasn't a human embryo and didn't feel pain, it wouldn't move away from the canula or vacuum. It was just cancer cells being vacuumed out, that would be a different story. Cancer cells get taken out all of the time and no one bats an eye nor should they.
Watch an actual real abortion or read Abby Johnson's story and you may change your mind. You may not change your mind because of the hardness of your heart. But a fetus is a life in embryo form.
But since the original OP is about abortion in times of vicious war r*pe, I won't comment further. Just when I see people believing an obvious lie, I'm not going to stand idly by and not try to refute it.
Keep believing that if you so choose, but I respectfully disagree.The fetus can not feel any pain until after the 4th month. Most abortions are done prior to the 3rd month anyway except in cases of serious medical conditions. Anything before that is pressure or chemical reactions.
I find it mind boggling you know. Like how can a human, something with functioning brain, willingly choose to stay ignorant, throw around illiterate opinions and believe in people who say stuff without any proper evidence just because it falls in line with what they think.Keep believing that if you so choose, but I respectfully disagree.
This entire article says literally what both mecca and I have said. 20th week IS the 4th month. What you quoted talks about hormonal response which I already said that "Anything prior is chemical reactions". And that is exactly what hormones are, CHEMICALS.https://lozierinstitute.org/fact-sheet-science-of-fetal-pain/
Fetal reactions provide evidence of pain response. The unborn baby reacts to noxious stimuli with avoidance reactions and stress responses. As early as 8 weeks the baby exhibits reflex movement during invasive procedures.[8] There is extensive evidence of a hormonal stress response by unborn babies as early as 18 weeks [9] including “increases in cortisol, beta-endorphin, and decreases in the pulsatility index of the fetal middle cerebral artery.”[10] Two independent studies in 2006 used brain scans of the sensory part of unborn babies’ brains, showing response to pain.[11] They found a “clear cortical response” and concluded there was “the potential for both higher-level pain processing and pain-induced plasticity in the human brain from a very early age.”
The Christian Church @Lisa again no need to play denseWhat church of mine are ya talking about?
I can still tell people abortion is wrong just like you feel the need to support abortion. I don’t see where my personal belief in God makes me unqualified to have an opinion about this.
If you truly don’t see the difference then you have bigger problems than I thought. But I know that’s not the case.I don’t see the difference. You’re trying to talk about why my opinion is irrelevant and I mentioned why you think you’re opinion matters more..
I think it’s relevant, if islam doesn’t do abortions, one wonders why you are arguing for them?It's irrelevant to what I was talking about... Why don't you stop trying to change the subject?
Seriously, I have no idea what “church” you’re talking about. The Christian church is too broad because anyone can call themselves a Christian, doesn’t make them one. You’ll have to narrow that down for me to be able to comment on it.
Then why do you act like your opinions trump mine?If you truly don’t see the difference then you have bigger problems than I thought. But I know that’s not the case.
Leave my personal life out of it. My opinions preexisted my own life and are based on tons of things - religion, philosophy, science, sociology, common sense. You have enough there with out personal attacks.
An egg or a sperm by themselves are just cells but when they meet up a powerful thing happens, new life, new human life. Right away those cells start to work on growing a baby, that is what those cells were made to do when they come together. What makes you think you can comment on this topic when you can’t even get that right?Fetus is not a human embryo. The fetal stage comes after the embryo one but even then they are just a clump of cells until a certain point. You might as well start advocating for sperm rights at this point.
I don’t. I “act” like they differ. Which they clearly do. And clearly I’m going to think mine is right and yours is wrong. That’s human instinct. However, my opinion is based on tons of facts and research while your is based on a book written thousands of years ago which doesn’t even mention the topic and some sort of emotional reaction. So yeah I truly believe my opinion trumps yours.Then why do you act like your opinions trump mine?
No you act like yours is superior especially when you told me my opinion was irrelevant.I don’t. I “act” like they differ. Which they clearly do. And clearly I’m going to think mine is right and yours is wrong. That’s human instinct. However, my opinion is based on tons of facts and research while your is based on a book written thousands of years ago which doesn’t even mention the topic and some sort of emotional reaction. So yeah I truly believe my opinion trumps yours.
But regardless we don’t live in a theocracy so you can’t actually force yours on anyone. Thank goodness. The main difference being I have no desire to force my opinion on anyone, if you don’t agree - cool, do you, have 100 babies I don’t care- but let others do them as well.