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Like what?The left is already trying to push pro family programs and policies
Like what?The left is already trying to push pro family programs and policies
You seem to be missing the point. This isn't about the policies of NY clinics (the new legislation is still young), neither is it about the reasons for abortion, it's about legislation, ie. what the law prohibits and what it allows. The new NY legislation prohibits the State from denying abortion and allows any abortion until birth based on the judgment of any medical professional (not a licensed physician) and the consent of the mother. There is nothing in that law that would prohibit or criminalize a woman's decision to have a late-term abortion with the co-operation of a health care provider. If there is, feel free to bring it to my attention and I will reconsider the demagoguery.Most abortions are performed early, the ones done later are almost universally done because of medical need. Sure sometimes thing slip the cracks but to put the focus on "late term abortions" is just demagoguery. The Law doesn't change that there is a process to go through before you can have one at a later date as JJ has shown with clinic advertising, etc.
Well we can just look at nyc since that’s the topic of conversation...Like what?
Well we can just look at nyc since that’s the topic of conversation...
Nyc has universal pre-K for all 4 year olds, they are working on expanding it to all 3 year olds (they have a limited program for 3 year olds now), they have free college for kids from families making less than 125k per year, they have a state level child tax credit and eitc that almost doubles the amount given by the feds, there are myriad free and low cost after school and recreational programs available for kids, they don’t even close schools for snow days because children that rely on the free lunch program would possibly go hungry, they are also extremely home school friendly... there is free/low cost healthcare available to every resident regardless of ability to pay, even in the business sphere there are advantages - you can go door to door there with advertisement (great when on a limited budget for a small start up) here it’s considered a crime and you are fined out the ass for doing so - expensive direct mail campaigns are all that’s allowed. Paid maternity/paternity, paid short term disability... (also not available in my conservative state)
As a mother of two who’s lived in nyc and currently lives in a more conservative state I’ve experienced the difference. It’s huge. Rents are ridiculous in NY but in three years when my daughter turns 4 and my son 18 it will still save me a lot of money to relocate back there - her preschool will be paid for, my sons college will be paid for and I’ll save money on taxes, all these things I’m on my own in this more conservative state where pay is also significantly lower (someone working a McDonald’s in Brooklyn makes more than my degreed position where I live)
I was also able to homeschool my son when I lived in nyc, the regulations on home school where I currently live made it unfeasible to do so.
Woul I like to see child care credits and universal pre-K paired with a subsidy for a stay at home parent as well? Yes, but while it’s not perfect it is still more family friendly and supportive.
Nobody said raising children would be easy.I live in a state without any of that, raising two children of wildly different ages is extremely difficult. Especially considering the low wages also prevalent in this state.
When I lived in nyc all these things were available to me if I chose to utilize them, they aren’t forced you have to opt in to them. I was also able to home school my son which I’m not able to do here so if anything I feel my freedoms are more limited in my current state then they ever were in nyc. It makes it easier to raise a family when these programs are available.. we were talking about how to reduce/eliminate abortions and since the main reason people have them is they can’t afford a child I think these programs are worth the risk.
I do think we should try to reduce abortions.And that entire explanation had what to do with this topic?
For one I was asked for examples of pro family policies that would reduce abortions so I provided them. My personal situation wasn’t relevant or mentioned aside from my experience homeschooling in nyc vs Pennsylvania.. the only other thing I mentioned involving myself was that putting one child in preschool and another in college the same year would be cheaper for me in nyc, I have three years before I cross that bridge and maybe I will move back I don’t know. But even that isn’t exactly relevant. I said nothing about whether or not my husband works or why I work or anything of the sort so you are making a whole hell of a lot of assumptions..
Most families are dual earner now because life is just too damn expensive. But don’t worry my daughters not in daycare someone’s home with her (and my son) all day. We switch off.
73% of women who get abortions cite financial inability to care for a child, there’s another thread stating millennials just aren’t having kids because they can’t afford them.. when this is the case then don’t you think we should LISTEN to them? This isn’t about socialism or communism this is about redirecting the tax dollars we already pay to better serve the citizens of this country and in this specific case REDUCE ABORTIONS.
This is what I meant about putting your money where your mouth is. Pro lifers don’t want people to get abortions but also don’t want to do anything to support struggling families. It’s asinine.
I wonder why the girl didn’t yell for help.I Wish I’d Had A ‘Late-Term Abortion’ Instead Of Having My Daughter
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5c630b8de4b0a8731aeabbd6/
I’m just going to leave this here as the last contribution I will make to this thread
I wonder why the girl didn’t yell for help.
After all, She says her mom was home, and yet, the classmate/guy she brings over rapes her in the kitchen——THE most public room in the house?
Then she immediately cleans up after him, but doesn’t call the police or even tell her mom?
Seems.....off.
Anyway, if she really was raped, she SHOULD HAVE IMMEDIATELY reported it to the police.
By failing to do so, she is denying herself justice AND allowing a dangerous criminal to roam free—making it possible for him to r*pe more people, which he assuredly will, especially after she let him get away unpunished.
And she becomes pregnant, and has her daughter, who unfortunately dies later and she still wished that she would have killed her in the womb?
That is morbidly disgusting.
And I still do not see how that would have been any better.
The baby did not r*pe her, or victimize her, so how is it just to wish she would have taken out her vengeance on the baby?
How would an abortion make the situation any better?
Two wrongs never make a right.
Too bad that someone would want to kill a child rather than take care of it.I Wish I’d Had A ‘Late-Term Abortion’ Instead Of Having My Daughter
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5c630b8de4b0a8731aeabbd6/
I’m just going to leave this here as the last contribution I will make to this thread
I doubt you even read the article before making your asinine comment.Too bad that someone would want to kill a child rather than take care of it.
There is no "mercy" in death, mercy, cannot exist without life.This is why anyone with a conscience views Christianity as morally repugnant.
I see you fall into the “it’s not r*pe unless the woman screams” camp. The article states that he covered her mouth.
Regardless abortion in this case would have been a mercy, instead a single year of painful life. She loved the baby and it wasn’t about “vengeance” it was about mercy, something you pretend your Devil-God is all about.
I read it. My comment isn't asinine but it clearly triggered you.I doubt you even read the article before making your asinine comment.
It isn’t because she didn’t scream, it is all the details that don’t add up. I’m not trying to redefine r*pe. But sometimes people make false accusations and that is a VERY serious allegation to make against a man.....one that could ruin his entire life, and should not be casually made.This is why anyone with a conscience views Christianity as morally repugnant.
I see you fall into the “it’s not r*pe unless the woman screams” camp. The article states that he covered her mouth.
Regardless abortion in this case would have been a mercy, instead a single year of painful life. She loved the baby and it wasn’t about “vengeance” it was about mercy, something you pretend your Devil-God is all about.
So the struggling family only matters/warrants financial support during the pregnancy is basically what you are saying... once that baby is born pull yourself up by your bootstraps?I do think we should try to reduce abortions.
Tax money IS used to support pregnant women.....Medicaid provides free healthcare for the mother & baby. It even covers dental, vision, hospital stays and medications.
A pregnant woman can also apply (& get) food stamps for herself & her child(ren).
Food & medical are pretty much covered & provided for ALL pregnant women below certain income levels in the state of Texas, I assume there are similar provisions in all other states.
I think it should go a step further and provide temporary housing & support for pregnant & new moms who might not otherwise keep their baby, as we discussed earlier in the thread.
Ultimately, I really do not believe women are aborting their babies for monetary reasons, and it isn’t a viable excuse to kill a baby.
People do not fall on hard times financially, and go and kill their toddler. They step up, work harder, sell belongings if they have to or figure something out. They do not just murder their kids so they don’t have to support them.
The reason most women have abortions is because they were irresponsible, got pregnant, and do not want to take responsibility for their OWN ACTIONS.
It is simply more convenient for them to kill them in the womb, before they ever see them. Out of sight, out of mind.
It is pure selfishness. Cowardly, irresponsible, cold-hearted, careless, SELFISHNESS.
I can hear your point but that's not what happens in many countries.So the struggling family only matters/warrants financial support during the pregnancy is basically what you are saying... once that baby is born pull yourself up by your bootstraps?
73% cite financial inability to care for a child, not financial inability to get through the pregnancy. I wish you guys would stop calling yourself pro life and just say anti abortion. It would be so much more honest... as I said we are just running around in circles so I will leave, got pulled back by artfuls somewhat different question and should have known better.
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