Abortion - The End of the Slippery Slope

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Even if the mother’s life is in danger, at 38 weeks the baby is full term.

A C-section can be performed saving the lives of BOTH mother & child.
As mentioned a lot of "late term" ( a misnomer ) abortions are because of fetal viability, funny how this part always gets ignored.

As far as when it is the case of a mothers life, I would have to see data on which would be safer, an abortion or a C-Section. If there is even a 1% difference in an abortion being a safer procedure over C-Section than I would want my theoretical wife to have it. I think on the rare occasions that this actually happens a person should follow medical advice.

Yet they light building up in Pink, in celebration. Crazy stuff.

Anyone callous enough for late, late term abortion for reasons of convenience would certainly know it's far more profitable to put the child up for adoption.

Strange days, indeed.

I believe lighting the building up was more because it codified abortion in law clearing up some legal verbiage and what not, more so than the aspect of "late term" abortions.

Here is the thing Elsbet, people aren't having "late term abortions" just because they changed their minds. JustJess is right that the vast majority of women who do this out of medical necessity are devastated by it. Try reading accounts of women who have been through this instead of judging them as irresponsible or baby killers.

I also think it is very cruel indeed to force a woman to carry a still-born to term.I couldn't imagine how tragic it would be to have to carry around a dead fetus inside of you.

We can all be honest here, you and everyone else on your side is against abortion in all circumstances, "late term abortion" is scare tactic used to illicit emotional responses out of believers and attempt to use ghoulish imagery in an attempt to sway public opinion. That's all this issue is, an appeal to people's emotions. Abortions performed in this time frame are a tiny percentage of them and that is a fact.
 





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Fear mongering of the highest order. Complete demagoguery, and people here are talking about logic and reason, or accuse “progressives” of basing decisions on “the feels” :rolleyes:

https://www.factcheck.org/2019/02/addressing-new-yorks-new-abortion-law/


https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...ealth/late-term-abortion-explainer/index.html


This post will go down in the “anals” of VC fearmongering hysteria though.
What is life?
When does life start?
Doe life start at actual conception?
What life is important?
Do all lives actually matter?
Either they do or they don't.
If you want to kill live humans, just say "I'm down with that".
 





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What is life?
When does life start?
Doe life start at actual conception?
What life is important?
Do all lives actually matter?
Either they do or they don't.
If you want to kill live humans, just say "I'm down with that".
1. A Nightmare
2. It starts against our will
3. See above
4. Are you opposed to all wars and the death penalty? Are you opposed to retaliation?
5. I don’t know? What do you feel about a wall? Are you opposed to the death penalty all wars and retaliation?
6. Hey hey LBJ, how many kids you kill today?
 





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1. A Nightmare
2. It starts against our will
3. See above
4. Are you opposed to all wars and the death penalty? Are you opposed to retaliation?
5. I don’t know? What do you feel about a wall? Are you opposed to the death penalty all wars and retaliation?
6. Hey hey LBJ, how many kids you kill today?

Life starts at conception.
As for all the other non abortion related stuff, you don't know what I believe. I'm not derailing the thread.
We're talking abortion. You can start another thread about the death penalty and wars you want.
 





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Life starts at conception.
As for all the other non abortion related stuff, you don't know what I believe. I'm not derailing the thread.
We're talking abortion. You can start another thread about the death penalty and wars you want.

Yeah we were talking about abortion and then you asked a bunch of philosophical nonsense. So sorry if my answers weren’t satisfactory to you. You can call yourself pro life when you oppose all wars the death penalty and retaliation otherwise be honest and call yourself anti choice or anti abortion
 





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Yeah we were talking about abortion and then you asked a bunch of philosophical nonsense. So sorry if my answers weren’t satisfactory to you. You can call yourself pro life when you oppose all wars the death penalty and retaliation otherwise be honest and call yourself anti choice or anti abortion
Nonsense? It's only nonsense because you think killing babies is okay.
Either a fetus is a human being or it's not. It's pretty simple.
We're talking abortion. I am not for abortion.
 





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Did God Forbid Homicide?
By Dr. Eli Lizorkin-Eyzenberg

February 7, 2019

One of the most common questions that someone serious about the Bible will ask has to do with one of the Ten Commandments; namely the sixth commandment that seem to prohibit the act of “killing”. Putting aside for a moment the question about taking the life of an animal, the case of homicide (taking the life of a human) seems to be closed. Upon further examination of the underlying Hebrew original, however, a different, more nuanced picture emerges. Please, allow me to explain.

Most English Bibles, especially the monumental KJV version, inaccurately (or rather not accurately enough) translate the sixth commandment simply as “Do Not Kill” (Exo. 20:13). But the Hebrew under the English translation justifies a much better alternative:“Do Not Murder”. To put this intense ethical matter into simple terms, every murder is killing, but not every killing is murder. (Murder is killing without a just cause.)

The Hebrew verb להרוג (to kill) can include unjustified homicide, but the Hebrew verb לרצח (to murder) is never used to describe a justified killing, such as killing in self-defense or court-ordered capital punishment. (This “justified killing” can also be translated by a different Hebrew verb להמית that is best translated as “to put to death”).

Keeping these insights in mind, the question then becomes simple. Which Hebrew verb is used in the Decalogue? The answer is לרצח – the verb that must be more accurately translated not with the broad meaning–“to kill”, but with a more particular definition–“to murder”.

So, does God forbid homicide? The answer is yes, but he does allow it under some exceptional conditions.
 





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As mentioned a lot of "late term" ( a misnomer ) abortions are because of fetal viability, funny how this part always gets ignored.

As far as when it is the case of a mothers life, I would have to see data on which would be safer, an abortion or a C-Section. If there is even a 1% difference in an abortion being a safer procedure over C-Section than I would want my theoretical wife to have it. I think on the rare occasions that this actually happens a person should follow medical advice

Here is the thing Elsbet, people aren't having "late term abortions" just because they changed their minds. JustJess is right that the vast majority of women who do this out of medical necessity are devastated by it. Try reading accounts of women who have been through this instead of judging them as irresponsible or baby killers.

I also think it is very cruel indeed to force a woman to deliver a still-born. I couldn't imagine how tragic it would be to have to carry around a dead fetus inside of you.

We can all be honest here, you and everyone else on your side is against abortion in all circumstances, "late term abortion" is scare tactic used to illicit emotional responses out of believers and attempt to use ghoulish imagery in an attempt to sway public opinion. That's all this issue is, an appeal to people's emotions. Abortions performed in this time frame are a tiny percentage of them and that is a fact.
A c-section is much safer than abortion, and far quicker.

If you don’t want your theoretical wife carrying a dead baby inside her then you don’t want her to undergo a late term abortion....The D&E abortion method used for a baby of that size requires injecting poison through the abdomen, into the uterus and into the babies head, killing it in uterine. Then after carrying the dead baby for a day or two, and after giving the mother another drug to unnaturally dilate the cervix, which takes up to 24 hours, the dead baby is vaginally delivered dead, into the toilet.
(Which doesn’t allow the mother to hold the baby and say her goodbyes, which denies her closure).

If the abortionist finds the baby hasn’t been delivered, or hasn’t died, they will evacuate her..... by accessing the baby through the dilated cervix, the baby is crushed inside the uterus, and removed.....piece by piece,

They reassemble the dead baby parts to ensure none have remained so the mother does not suffer a deadly infection.
 





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Fear mongering of the highest order. Complete demagoguery, and people here are talking about logic and reason, or accuse “progressives” of basing decisions on “the feels” :rolleyes:

https://www.factcheck.org/2019/02/addressing-new-yorks-new-abortion-law/


https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...ealth/late-term-abortion-explainer/index.html


This post will go down in the “anals” of VC fearmongering hysteria though.
Regardless, pregnancy IS an emotional experience, and a female who undergoes an abortion will ALWAYS carry within her deep, psychological repercussions from the procedure:

—-GUILT. Because no matter WHAT the gestational age of the child, the woman will NEVER escape the torture of knowing that she has KILLED HER OWN BABY.......and unless she is a total monster, it will haunt her.
She will ALWAYS remember committing this brutal act of cold-hearted, paid in cash, MURDER.

—-Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder.

——Suicide or Suicidal Ideation

—-Depression

Below is an excerpt from the link:
http://afterabortion.org/2011/abort...chological-complications-related-to-abortion/


“The study also found that women who delivered an unplanned pregnancy were significantly less likely to have mental health problems than similar women who aborted unplanned pregnancies. Women with a history of abortion were 55 percent more likely to have mental health problems than women who did not abort an unplanned pregnancy.(25)

A 2010 study, which was published in the Canadian Journal of Psychiatry and examined a nationally representative sample of more than 3,000 women in the United States, found that women who underwent an abortion had a 98 percent increased risk for any mental health disorders compared to women who did not have an abortion.

Women who had abortions also had:

59 percent increased risk for suicidal thoughts
61 percent increased risk for mood disorders
61 percent increased risk for social anxiety disorders
261 percent increased risk for alcohol abuse
280 percent increased risk for any substance use disorder”


Bringing a baby—-a new LIFE into the world is THE MOST joyful & fulfilling experience I have ever had, after being saved by God.

I have done it 4 times, and it never became less miraculous.

Now imagine that situation in reverse.....murdering your OWN BABY.

Do you think that is EVER good for ANY woman??
 





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I do not believe it is possible to be pro-choice and truly care about children. Set aside the less than 1% who complain of health issues. That small percentage is not a valid reason to murder 60,000,000 babies. I could not look my children in the eyes while standing for a woman’s right to murder her own child. There is no other way around that. It is self-deception to say one is for children while also not defending them at every stage.

Children recognize the horror of abortion AT EVERY STAGE, and there is a reason they see it so clearly. Adults are the ones who harden their hearts and deceive themselves and others. We all know it is murder.
 





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Yet they light building up in Pink, in celebration. Crazy stuff.

Anyone callous enough for late, late term abortion for reasons of convenience would certainly know it's far more profitable to put the child up for adoption.

Strange days, indeed.
Profitable? It’s illegal to be paid to give your child up for adoption... what are you talking about?

Micro vs macro, it is possible something is difficult/sad for an individual (the actual abortion) and also good for women’s rights (the ability to have that abortion)
 





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I do not believe it is possible to be pro-choice and truly care about children. Set aside the less than 1% who complain of health issues. That small percentage is not a valid reason to murder 60,000,000 babies. I could not look my children in the eyes while standing for a woman’s right to murder her own child. There is no other way around that. It is self-deception to say one is for children while also not defending them at every stage.

Children recognize the horror of abortion AT EVERY STAGE, and there is a reason they see it so clearly. Adults are the ones who harden their hearts and deceive themselves and others. We all know it is murder.
What have you personally done for children lately? Besides your own?
 





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A c-section is much safer than abortion, and far quicker.

If you don’t want your theoretical wife carrying a dead baby inside her then you don’t want her to undergo a late term abortion....The D&E abortion method used for a baby of that size requires injecting poison through the abdomen, into the uterus and into the babies head, killing it in uterine. Then after carrying the dead baby for a day or two, and after giving the mother another drug to unnaturally dilate the cervix, which takes up to 24 hours, the dead baby is vaginally delivered dead, into the toilet.
(Which doesn’t allow the mother to hold the baby and say her goodbyes, which denies her closure).

If the abortionist finds the baby hasn’t been delivered, or hasn’t died, they will evacuate her..... by accessing the baby through the dilated cervix, the baby is crushed inside the uterus, and removed.....piece by piece,

They reassemble the dead baby parts to ensure none have remained so the mother does not suffer a deadly infection.
C sections are extremely dangerous... have you read any stats on them? We have very high maternal fatality rates in this country and it correlates to our overuse of c sections

If the fetus is already stillborn they don’t inject poison into it, not necessary.

And I have never heard of an abortion being done over a toilet. Where are you getting this? It isn’t even medically rational.
 





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What have you personally done for children lately? Besides your own?
I am part of a group that provides gifts and funding for foster families locally, Christmas gifts as well as daily staples such as car seats, formula, school supplies. As I speak I have 300 bags filled with gifts from members of my church to deliver to CASA this afternoon so they can distribute them to the children they advocate for. This is for children in 3 counties. My own children and I have put in countless hours planning and organizing it. I have helped in making weighted blankets as gifts for children as they enter foster homes. We give to our local crisis pregnancy center to help mothers in tough situations. My husband and I have started fostering classes but have held off for a time due to health issues with my parents.

If I did nothing for children, it still would not keep me from speaking. That is a lie that the left has sold. People in the past spoke against slavery even though they didn’t help on the Underground Railroad
 





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Regardless, pregnancy IS an emotional experience, and a female who undergoes an abortion will ALWAYS carry within her deep, psychological repercussions from the procedure:

—-GUILT. Because no matter WHAT the gestational age of the child, the woman will NEVER escape the torture of knowing that she has KILLED HER OWN BABY.......and unless she is a total monster, it will haunt her.
She will ALWAYS remember committing this brutal act of cold-hearted, paid in cash, MURDER.

—-Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder.

——Suicide or Suicidal Ideation

—-Depression

Below is an excerpt from the link:
http://afterabortion.org/2011/abort...chological-complications-related-to-abortion/


“The study also found that women who delivered an unplanned pregnancy were significantly less likely to have mental health problems than similar women who aborted unplanned pregnancies. Women with a history of abortion were 55 percent more likely to have mental health problems than women who did not abort an unplanned pregnancy.(25)

A 2010 study, which was published in the Canadian Journal of Psychiatry and examined a nationally representative sample of more than 3,000 women in the United States, found that women who underwent an abortion had a 98 percent increased risk for any mental health disorders compared to women who did not have an abortion.

Women who had abortions also had:

59 percent increased risk for suicidal thoughts
61 percent increased risk for mood disorders
61 percent increased risk for social anxiety disorders
261 percent increased risk for alcohol abuse
280 percent increased risk for any substance use disorder”


Bringing a baby—-a new LIFE into the world is THE MOST joyful & fulfilling experience I have ever had, after being saved by God.

I have done it 4 times, and it never became less miraculous.

Now imagine that situation in reverse.....murdering your OWN BABY.

Do you think that is EVER good for ANY woman??
My ex girlfriend had 10 abortions, freaking ten. When she first time told me that i could not help myself and started to cry. She told she always has nightmares about them, she is prone to depression, and she attempted suicide in the past. Basically everything your study says.
 





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And what about at 25 weeks? Just past where ny’s laws already covered?
Isn’t the baby’s life WORTH it?

Why NOT at least TRY to save him?

My mother’s co-worker’s daughter was pregnant and they discovered she had cancer.

The doctors suggested terminating the pregnancy, because of her cancer and the extreme prematurity of the baby.

She basically told them politely, to kick rocks.

She wanted to do whatever she could to save her baby.

They performed an emergency C-Section & delivered her tiny baby boy at just 20 WEEKS.

Doctors warned her not to expect much and encouraged her to use the time to say her goodbyes.

Of course, He spent several months in the NICU while his mother remained by his side, praying & coaxing him to live, while she received cancer treatment. He was stable and slowly started to thrive.

His bones hardened enough so she could finally hold him. She said his skin was nearly translucent, and he was small enough to fit in her hand. He fought hard to live, and this drove HER to fight her cancer so she could live for him.

They both fully recovered and he is 4 years old....small but healthy. Her cancer has not returned.

Doctors cannot predict the future, Jess.

Miracles happen. People beat the odds, but only if given the chance.

You may not like what I’m going to say, but I do not care. It is exactly how I truly feel, and needs to be said:

Abortion is NEVER the answer. It is certainly NEVER a more humane choice. Ripping a baby apart is NEVER justifiable, even in the first trimester.

Even IF the mother’s life IS truly in danger.

I have 4 children. I believe their lives are far more important than my own, and I would happily die to save any of them, and I would not have to think twice about it.

And that did not develop once they were born, it developed as soon as I was pregnant. I would never take my own child’s life to preserve my own, whether born or unborn.

I would rather die so they might live.

And any mother who would not, is purely SELFISH, and does not deserve her children.
 





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My ex girlfriend had 10 abortions, freaking ten. When she first time told me that i could not help myself and started to cry. She told she always has nightmares about them, she is prone to depression, and she attempted suicide in the past. Basically everything your study says.
I’ve never personally had an abortion, but know MANY women who have.

Sadly, it is way more common than I thought, and almost EVERY SINGLE woman I’ve spoken to about it , has regretted having their abortion(s), and are now pro-life.

My older sister had 7, at various stages in pregnancy, and has had them in ALL 3 trimesters. She says they were some of the worst decisions she ever made, and is now strictly pro-life.

She has described to me in detail her experiences, and I told her she should write a book, because if people knew some of the things that REALLY go down in abortion clinics, no woman would have one, and no man who truly loved his pregnant wife or girlfriend would allow or encourage her to have one.

Abortion is NOT “healthcare”.

It is a wicked, satanic, barbaric business, that profits through death, misinformation, propaganda, and is the CAUSE of a lifetime of misery and reproductive destruction.
 





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http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/says_about/abortion.html

Lol here’s what your Devil-God says about abortion.



“And if it be from a month old even unto five years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male five shekels of silver, and for the female thy estimation shall be three shekels of silver. -- Leviticus 27:6

Fetuses and infants less than one month old are not considered persons.

Number the children of Levi after the house of their fathers, by their families: every male from a month old and upward shalt thou number them. And Moses numbered them according to the word of the LORD. -- Numbers 3:15-16”