2018 French Revolution/Gilet Jaunes protest

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I agree that tptb are trying to co-opt this asap, but its too messy with too many varying agendas/players (on the street level) to be a very tightly controlled operation. I think tptb just push and push until there is pushback, then they have various gameplans which to employ. But these aint the same old ptb, this new generation simply does not have the grip on themselves required to maintain a solid grip on others. The reforms to the overall system were addressed with the posters contentions that:
"It was perceived as injustice by french workers that's why Pesident Macron is now known as the 'president of the rich and bankers' here"
"No, all hell broke lose last Saturday with far left anarchists fighting the cops, attacking the banks screaming 'kill capitalism"
Maybe. Problem is, banking itself is not the problem, it's the fact that these bankers control the economy through central banks that issue fiat currency and that is not controlled by the government, for and by the people. They seem to be conflating banking with capitalism when banking is just a tool. Setting stuff on fire just out of rage and wanting to kill bankers will not solve the problem either.
 





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The banking system is a part of capitalism though... And why should they only reform the banking system when they could get rid of it instead?
Didn't Marx advocate something like a central bank controlled by the people? I believe that might solve the problem.
 





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Didn't Marx advocate something like a central bank controlled by the people? I believe that might solve the problem.
Marx said that capitalism will eventually be replaced because it is inherently contradictory. He thought that communism would replace it. His idea of communism didn’t contain any banking system at all... it is a stateless, classless, and moneyless society. Banks control money and money is a part of the capitalist system so those things wouldn’t have to exist in a different system.

But perhaps a central bank that is truly controlled by the people could be slightly better than the system we have now. I don’t think it will solve all of our problems though, banks are still a flawed idea and I don’t like them.
 





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I don’t think so. Marx said that capitalism will eventually be replaced because it is inherently contradictory. He thought that communism would replace it. His idea of communism didn’t contain any banking system at all... it is a stateless, classless, and moneyless society. Banks control money and money is a part of the capitalist system so those things wouldn’t have to exist in a different system.

But perhaps a central bank that is truly controlled by the people could be slightly better than the system we have now. I don’t think it will solve all of our problems though, banks are still a flawed idea and I don’t like them.
He proposed this in his Communist Manifesto, but apparently that was when he was younger and he might have changed his mind later on.

I know you don't like Capitalism as a whole but I think private property is something that should be kept...
 





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I know you don't like Capitalism as a whole but I think private property is something that should be kept...
Anarchists make a distinction between private property and personal property though. Personal property is personal things you use like houses, cars, clothes, computers and things like that... Private property is things that are privately owned and used to create capital and generate profits... it is the means of production, like a factory or a farm.

Personal property is fine but private property is seen as bad because it is owned by one person but used by multiple people... and the owner profits off of the work of others. In capitalism, a factory is owned by a single owner but there can be 30 people working there to produce a product. The factory owner is able to own and profit from the factory even though they do not work in it... and they also own the product of the worker’s labor. The owner receives the profit from the work of others and those workers do not profit or have any control. It’s an unjust hierarchy.

Factories would still exist in an anarchist society but instead of being considered private property, they would be collective property. The means of production would be owned and managed together by the people who use it... it cuts out the middle man of a private owner who exploits the workers. Collecitve ownership allows for decentralized control by the people themselves and it lets people to own the products of their own labor. It gives control back to the people and allows for democracy in the workplace. I think it’s a better system.
 





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Anarchists make a distinction between private property and personal property though. Personal property is personal things you use like houses, cars, clothes, computers and things like that... Private property is things that are privately owned and used to create capital... it is the means of production, like a factory or a farm.

Personal property is fine but private property is seen as bad because it is owned by one person but used by multiple people... and the owner profits off of the work of others. In capitalism, a factory is owned by a single owner but there can be 30 people working there to produce a product. The factory owner is able to own and profit from the factory even though they do not work in it... and they also own the product of the worker’s labor. The owner receives the profit from the work of others and those workers do not profit or have any control. It’s an unjust hierarchy.

Factories would still exist in an anarchist society but instead of being considered private property, they would be collective property. The means of production would be owned and managed together by the people who use it... it cuts out the middle man of a private owner who exploits the workers. Collecitve ownership allows for decentralized control by the people themselves and it lets people to own the products of their own labor. It gives control back to the people and allows for democracy in the workplace. I think it’s a better system.
Lol I won't argue with you there, as you have studied this way more than I did.
 





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The French Revolution was a Rothschild plot I don’t see this as anything different tbh
Just like the whole political fat left far right nonsense
Divide and conquer
Yeah, it COULD be done by the globalists so they can bring in martial law but still.. Something HAS to be done, we cant live like this, things went out of control for europe 20 years ago.
 





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Yeah, it COULD be done by the globalists so they can bring in martial law but still.. Something HAS to be done, we cant live like this, things went out of control for europe 20 years ago.
You may be right and I really hope you are, It’s hard not to be cynical though when you learn about the elite and how they have their hands in EVERYTHING and use everything to further the agenda
And you are right Europe does need to change, I miss the old Mother Europe
 





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You may be right and I really hope you are, It’s hard not to be cynical though when you learn about the elite and how they have their hands in EVERYTHING and use everything to further the agenda
And you are right Europe does need to change, I miss the old Mother Europe
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I hear you. Remove one of their puppets and they place in the next.

I'll be doing my best in a protest this saturday though. We will be yellow vesting in my town. Finally I can show my hatred towards the illuminati. But as you're saying, it will be hard to win..Let's hope David Icke is right with his "If you all go together in this, you will win and they know this and are scared of that happening" I still wish there would be more of us protesting. So many that the elite would be shaking to their very core. It doesnt really matter if they bring in martial law by now because they will bring that in anyway sooner or later so it might as well be now. We HAVE to show this isnt acceptable!

VIVA LA REVOLUTION! :cool:
 





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Yeah, yeah, yeah, I hear you. Remove one of their puppets and they place in the next.

I'll be doing my best in a protest this saturday though. We will be yellow vesting in my town. Finally I can show my hatred towards the illuminati. But as you're saying, it will be hard to win..Let's hope David Icke is right with his "If you all go together in this, you will win and they know this and are scared of that happening" I still wish there would be more of us protesting. So many that the elite would be shaking to their very core. It doesnt really matter if they bring in martial law by now because they will bring that in anyway sooner or later so it might as well be now. We HAVE to show this isnt acceptable!

VIVA LA REVOLUTION! :cool:
These are the times that I hope those of us who support the 2nd Amendment will pay close attention. There is a reason that the powers that be want to disarm us.
 





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Yeah, yeah, yeah, I hear you. Remove one of their puppets and they place in the next.

I'll be doing my best in a protest this saturday though. We will be yellow vesting in my town. Finally I can show my hatred towards the illuminati. But as you're saying, it will be hard to win..Let's hope David Icke is right with his "If you all go together in this, you will win and they know this and are scared of that happening" I still wish there would be more of us protesting. So many that the elite would be shaking to their very core. It doesnt really matter if they bring in martial law by now because they will bring that in anyway sooner or later so it might as well be now. We HAVE to show this isnt acceptable!

VIVA LA REVOLUTION! :cool:
Well good luck, I wish you all the best and be careful from what I’ve seen in France protests it can get ugly
 





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Yeah, yeah, yeah, I hear you. Remove one of their puppets and they place in the next.

I'll be doing my best in a protest this saturday though. We will be yellow vesting in my town. Finally I can show my hatred towards the illuminati. But as you're saying, it will be hard to win..Let's hope David Icke is right with his "If you all go together in this, you will win and they know this and are scared of that happening" I still wish there would be more of us protesting. So many that the elite would be shaking to their very core. It doesnt really matter if they bring in martial law by now because they will bring that in anyway sooner or later so it might as well be now. We HAVE to show this isnt acceptable!

VIVA LA REVOLUTION! :cool:
"It doesnt really matter if they bring in martial law by now because they will bring that in anyway sooner or later so it might as well be now. We HAVE to show this isnt acceptable!"
This.
 





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Theyre talking about declaring a "State of emergency" now to stop more from dying from the riots. *swallows hard* Are we looking at martial law?

Also, check this out: It's the MIDDLE class theyre bleeding out. Not the poor. The MIDDLE class cant even afford fukn light bulbs in their homes although working double jobs! Due to the new tax. And on top of that the rich got their tax erased.


I'm starting to think the elite doesnt want 500 millions left on this earth. They wanna kill everybody. This goes hand in hand with the bible aswell saying God interfered bc if he didnt noone would survive. Theyve completely lost it. This is madness on a new level, beyond genocide..Something mankind has never seen before.
 





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Theyre talking about declaring a "State of emergency" now to stop more from dying from the riots. *swallows hard* Are we looking at martial law?

Also, check this out: It's the MIDDLE class theyre bleeding out. Not the poor. The MIDDLE class cant even afford fukn light bulbs in their homes although working double jobs! Due to the new tax. And on top of that the rich got their tax erased.


I'm starting to think the elite doesnt want 500 millions left on this earth. They wanna kill everybody. This goes hand in hand with the bible aswell saying God interfered bc if he didnt noone would survive. Theyve completely lost it. This is madness on a new level, beyond genocide..Something mankind has never seen before.
And so it begins......
 





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The French Revolution was a Rothschild plot
Sources?
If every country protests, the globalists will have to step the fuck down. Its just a matter of who's more persistant; them or us? And if we stop working, society will stop running and then how will they get their luxurious foods and their much needed staff?

They need us - We dont need them.
If it would be that easy ... if it gets really rough, I mean if the people in charge are seriously threatened, then emergency rule comes into force and the military is on the streets. If people get killed, shit is on fire and people will stay at home. Only the real idealists will give their life for change. And maybe not even them. So it's not like "okay, let's go protesting and everything will be fine".

I'm not against you, I'm with you. But let's see this rational. No real revolution without blood. And if people are successful, what next or who's next?

And if the whole system/society is on pause mode, guess who will be the first starving? The rich? People in power? No. YOU will be the one going to the next supermarket, noting that all the food and water is gone because rioting mobs are around every corner. And there will be no supplies cause people aren't working. So it's anarchy, survival of the fittest or, alternatively, police/military state.

So, the rich, they will sit down and relax in front of their fireplace in their villa somewhere in a hidden place in the woods/mountains or a lonely island, watching everything on tv like a game show. Relaxed because they know they have food and water for 1-2 years in their basement, what do you got?

This is how I think about all this "revolution" "stuff". You wanna make a change, you have to BE the change. Become a politician. But honestly, I doubt people with ideals will ever participate seriously in this globalized, modern system.
And finally: power corrupts.

To me, the only way to make a change in the first place, again, is to go to your bank, draw all your money you put in "the system" and then let's see what happens. If all people in the world would do this on the same day, you have your revolution.
 





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My second thought on this whole yellow vests-movement: isn't it practical that everyone joining the movement is running around with a bright shining yellow vest to find in nearly every trunk?
 





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Theyre talking about declaring a "State of emergency" now to stop more from dying from the riots. *swallows hard* Are we looking at martial law?

Also, check this out: It's the MIDDLE class theyre bleeding out. Not the poor. The MIDDLE class cant even afford fukn light bulbs in their homes although working double jobs! Due to the new tax. And on top of that the rich got their tax erased.


I'm starting to think the elite doesnt want 500 millions left on this earth. They wanna kill everybody. This goes hand in hand with the bible aswell saying God interfered bc if he didnt noone would survive. Theyve completely lost it. This is madness on a new level, beyond genocide..Something mankind has never seen before.
"Theyve completely lost it. This is madness on a new level, beyond genocide..Something mankind has never seen before."
Indeed. This is highlighted to me via Israels Samson Doctrine military strategy, but they aint they only players in the roulette of apocalypse. But God almighty still owns the Big Casino, so they are playing a fools gamble.......
 





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The man in this video says to expect something to happen on December 22, and it might be really bad for the protesters. He predicted the December 11th "false flag shooting" so he might be onto something here. Sorry for those who don't understand french (you can still turn on the english subtitles in the video settings though), just putting this here in case.

 





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My second thought on this whole yellow vests-movement: isn't it practical that everyone joining the movement is running around with a bright shining yellow vest to find in nearly every trunk?
The bright yellow vests do make them more easily identifiable, it sort of makes them an easy target. I don’t know if it’s more practical... it seems kind of dangerous. But I think it’s supposed to be a symbolic representation of working class people.