10 Reasons Why Jesus Is Not God!

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Sorry i should've chose my words more carefully =)


Maybe the Hinduism should have it's own topic =)
Because some believe before the corruption it was monotheistic.
and many believe before the corruption Modern Christianity was Monotheistic.
the coincidence is that both are following the same path to corruption: Polytheism (worshiping many Gods) and same "God Manifested in the flesh" thing.
 





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Yes.

He hung on the cross for us. Our crimes blotted out by His blood.


If you tried to save Him from the cross He would have asked you What you doing dawg ?
I never commited any crime and how can i watch someone so holly suffer and do nothing.
I don't think those words will stop some, only some force field would =)
 





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I am asking about the logical reasoning behind Christian "God Manifested in the flesh" and how it differs with Hindu "God Manifested in the flesh" ?
That's my point. You don't know the difference as, if I remember correctly because I'm not Hindu, the word of God among many other things are/will be made manifest whereas in Hinduism it's more a descent/avatarana of the gods.

See, I'm not Hindu nor do I know it well. You aren't a Christian or even well versed it. My point being you ask and assume the wrong things.

Here are all the verses where the word manifest appear.

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no one can kill or save God
I am with you

But my point is if Jesus really was on the cross, and if there is something he could say to stop most from trying to free him and fight the guards,
those words are not in the bible.

We not living in Eden, we living in hell on earth. Who we been saved from til now?

I am sorry for stupid questions
and i thank you all for your patience with me
 





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I never commited any crime and how can i watch someone so holly suffer and do nothing.
I don't think those words will stop some, only some force field would =)
Well you're not alone on earth and a lot of people have comitted a crime or more.

Luckily God paid the price for sins so there is a golden opportunity to repent and be forgiven.
 





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Slightly off-topic random thought:

The West needs Islam. The West can complain and complain but.... seriously, we are immersed in filth and degeneracy.

Does anyone actually have any ideas on how to actually do anything about it?

Secular ideologies will further the degeneracy.

Therefore, the solution has to be religious. New Age garbage promotes occultism and demonic possesion. And also degeneracy.

Christianity is like "well... ummm... you know..... it's morally superior to sit back and be a passive victim"

and so Christians (besides rare exceptions like Mrs. Rosseau) are not even pretending to be concerned with actually doing anything....

Islam is not above rolling up its sleeves and actually addressing the issues. Islam will actually get results. I don't see any other thing that would actually get results. I don't believe in an ethic of "be a passive victim and allow yourself to be victimized," "don't actually do anything".... Islam will actually get results and will actually address the moral degeneracy being pushed on those of us living in the West. The more Islam, the better. The only reason people are opposed to it is due to cultural heritage. But the West doesn't care about its own cultural heritage. The West happily has allowed its culture to be brought into the gutter. It can't get mad when a solution then has to be brought from outside.

Plus, all this does is further confirm that Islam is the actual true religion. I don't think being a passive victim=piety. I think piety demands actually addressing real-world issues and not sitting on a fence. So Islam is good. Since Christianity has embraced an ethic of being good Christian=being powerless... it has abdicated responsiblity. Since Christianity has embraced not stepping up to the plate as an ethic (except when it comes to promoting colonialism and imperialism)- someone has to take responsibility and step up to the plate. Islam should be that "someone". The kids deserve a future. Someone has to actually step up to the plate and defend their interests. Since Christianity isn't willing to do it and secularism just further promotes degeneracy- Islam is needed. People should be applauding Islam and loving Islam. Islam represents hope for an actual future for people.

People can try to debunk this thread's OP's video- however, I think it is actually the "The Bible Says Jesus is Not God".... I think that thread presents the strongest evidence I've seen thus far...... I thought that video was slightly stronger than the one here, although the one here is strong as well. In any case, if people have to go after the slightly weaker video rather than the stronger video- this just further demonstrates that Islam is intellectually superior. Intellectually superior and actually capable of getting results. So... I think it's undeniable that Islam is the one that is actually true. And is actually practical. Today's Christianity doesn't even care about being practical. I think this is why the Christian church is so feminized these days... honestly, when I think of the Christian church, I think of overweight women whose minds are off in la-la land and whose theology is based on emotions and who don't actually follow any concrete rules.

I am merely saying my thoughts on Christianity- I seriously mean nothing against Christians. But I know Christianity and these are just my thoughts. People can criticize Islam for being founded by a man of bravery all they want. To me they sound like liberals terrified of guns and who don't want to accept that struggle and conflict is part of life.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...sweden-to-stop-referring-to-god-as-he-or-lord
https://www.amazon.com/Why-Men-Hate-Going-Church/dp/078523215X
http://thefrontporch.org/2016/04/three-reasons-men-dont-go-to-church/
http://www1.cbn.com/churchandministry/why-men-hate-church

I could go on and on.....

honestly I seriously agree with this guy's assessment....

 





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Well you're not alone on earth and a lot of people have comitted a crime or more.

Luckily God paid the price for sins so there is a golden opportunity to repent and be forgiven.
That's my problem, so i almost do nothing and i get forgiven, i don't work for it, it just sounds too easy.. - Too good to be true
 





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I am with you

But my point is if Jesus really was on the cross, and if there is something he could say to stop most from trying to free him and fight the guards,
those words are not in the bible.

We not living in Eden, we living in hell on earth. Who we been saved from til now?

I see you don't understand God's plan of salvation at all.


It is simple. Jesus Christ blotted out sins by His blood.

So if you obey His commandments He got you. But if you don't give a fuk about His commandments He will let you go.
 





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I see you don't understand God's plan of salvation at all.


It is simple. Jesus Christ blotted out sins by His blood.

So if you obey His commandments He got you. But if you don't give a fuk about His commandments He will let you go.
I try my best to obey his and gods commandments =)
 





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That's my problem, so i almost do nothing and i get forgiven, i don't work for it, it just sounds too easy.. - Too good to be true
I'm rewatching that video (the one in my above post)- I am telling you @peopleingeneral, whatever your religious beliefs are: WATCH. THAT. VIDEO. That video is so on point and sums up exactly what is going on with Christianity these days.

And it is what you say, yiksmes. "Salvation is by faith"- forget about actually having to actually do good deeds, forget about actually having to be a decent person, forget about having to actually do anything or having to earn your salvation- I get that might sound great to Zionists and 500 years of generations of colonialist psychopaths..... but I am not a colonialist psychopath.... I have no problem with not committing aggression against native populations minding their own business.... people hate Palestinian, Native Americans, etc., demonize all types of oppressed people and then say "everyone is the same"..... no everyone is not the same... that is just people projecting that everyone is that kind of psychopathic...... regular, normal healthy human beings are capable of co-existing peacefully with others and are not defenders of colonialism..... a colonialist is by definition not a normal human being and is seriously warped......

just to give you an example....... if you read The Black Jacobins- it actually describes European slave-traders writing songs of praise to Jesus (may peace be upon him) while simultaneously stuffing chained Africans into slave-ships..... no guilt at all.... they are doing horrible, unspeakable crimes against innocent people while simultaneously writing praise songs to Jesus (may peace be upon him)......... people, read The Black Jacobins for yourself.... it's in there..... that is just historical fact..... and not even surprising...... and Protestant theology exactly opens the door for that sort of thing.... "everyone is evil..... you don't need to actually be a decent person".... so you can be a psychopath committing genocide against entire races of people, stuffing innocent women into slave-ships..... doing all sort of barbarism.... murdering Palestinians.... and yet according to Protestant theology you will still to heaven..... "salvation is by faith, not by works"...... and they repeat that, like it's some beautiful, profound thing instead of something utterly weird, bizarre and terrifying...... suppose that poor victim follows their native beliefs..... so... from the perspective of Protestant theology..... the psychopath (who is quite possibly a rapist) goes to heaven and the victim goes to hell..... Islam actually stands up from justice.... according to Islam, we are weighed by our deeds.... and so, from an Islamic perspective.... that psychopath is almost definitely going to hell.... whereas the innocent victim will receive justice....

maybe certain people (COUGHCOUGHzionistsCOUGHCOUGH) have a vested interest in believing that God is not on the side of justice......

but God is certainly on the side of justice......

and so from the standpoint of justice, reason and actually being practical and actually getting results.... Islam wins on all these fronts.... it's not even close...

Islam doesn't tell us "all you have to do is believe and be saved".... belief is a part of it..... but we actually have to get up and pray in the morning........

one side is telling us- do the work..... we want to lose weight- actually do the diet and exercise......

the other side is telling us.... losing weight is not by work- diet and exercise are worthless..... take this MAGIC PILL.......

I get that magic pills are greatly appealing for many......

but I think the better route is to actually do the work, actually follow diet and exercise.... actually earn one's salvation.... I want to earn my salvation..... someone who thinks it is liberating to not have to actually earn their salvation..... that belief I think is slightly terrifying
 





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Islam is not above rolling up its sleeves and actually addressing the issues. Islam will actually get results. I don't see any other thing that would actually get results. I don't believe in an ethic of "be a passive victim and allow yourself to be victimized," "don't actually do anything".... Islam will actually get results and will actually address the moral degeneracy being pushed on those of us living in the West. The more Islam, the better. The only reason people are opposed to it is due to cultural heritage. But the West doesn't care about its own cultural heritage. The West happily has allowed its culture to be brought into the gutter. It can't get mad when a solution then has to be brought from outside.
Remember Babylon destroying Jerusalem and taking the Jews captive because of all their sins ?

That did not make Babylon the true religion but God used Babylon to punish His own more or less morally degenerate people.

This is where Islam finds itself today. Used by God to punish legalised lawlessness like abortion same sex marriage etc etc.
 





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The Everlasting/ Eternal remains.
Agreed.

Starting at the end and working backward seems counterproductive. :/ What is your understanding of Christianity i.e. why Jesus came or incarnated in the first place... that might help on the peace/sword thing.
I thought we were starting at the beginning and going forward by looking at Isaiah 9:7 on its own and comparing it to what Jesus said later?

But my understanding of christianity was that Jesus came to die for everybody sins while correcting/reforming the way of life of the Jews. I dont necessarily think this is in agreement with what the OT but thats what I've always took away from Christianity
 





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Remember Babylon destroying Jerusalem and taking the Jews captive because of all their sins ?

That did not make Babylon the true religion but God used Babylon to punish His own more or less morally degenerate people.

This is where Islam finds itself today. Used by God to punish legalised lawlessness like abortion same sex marriage etc etc.
I respectfully disagree. A significant difference between Babylon and Ishmael is that Ishmael, even according to your own books, was promised a "great nation." However one interprets that, even if only as that Ishmael and his sons would have a high sperm-count and repopulate and multiply, it can also be a reference to the Islamic "ummah," or nation we see before us. As I see it, Ishmael, though sent with his mother into the wilderness of Paran, has a God-promised, not necessarily villainous, role to play, and, what is more, he has a "great nation," complain though his many critics may.
 





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I respectfully disagree. A significant difference between Babylon and Ishmael is that Ishmael, even according to your own books, was promised a "great nation." However one interprets that, even if only as that Ishmael and his sons would have a high sperm-count and repopulate and multiply, it can also be a reference to the Islamic "ummah," or nation we see before us. As I see it, Ishmael, though sent with his mother into the wilderness of Paran, has a God-promised, not necessarily villainous, role to play, and, what is more, he has a "great nation," complain though his many critics may.
A great warlike community indeed just as said in the Bible.

But the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob known in the Bible is not the same god of Muhammad known in the Quran.
 





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A great warlike community indeed just as said in the Bible.
A sort of Christianity with testicles left in tact :cool:. At least, unlike Christians, when Muslims go to war, they don't have to ignore or otherwise suspend the teachings of their prophet.


TokiEl said:
But the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob known in the Bible is not the same god of Muhammad known in the Quran.
"The Nazarenes [Christians] are idolaters. The first day of the week is their festival. Hence it is forbidden in Palestine to have commercial intercourse with them on the fifth and sixth day ...

The Ishmaelites [Muslims] are not considered pagan in any sense. No trace of paganism is left in their speech and in their hearts. They confess the Unity of God in its strict and unconditional meaning ..."
Moses Maimonides (p. 319)
 





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Slightly off-topic random thought:

The West needs Islam. The West can complain and complain but.... seriously, we are immersed in filth and degeneracy.

Does anyone actually have any ideas on how to actually do anything about it?

Secular ideologies will further the degeneracy.

Therefore, the solution has to be religious. New Age garbage promotes occultism and demonic possesion. And also degeneracy.

Christianity is like "well... ummm... you know..... it's morally superior to sit back and be a passive victim"

and so Christians (besides rare exceptions like Mrs. Rosseau) are not even pretending to be concerned with actually doing anything....

Islam is not above rolling up its sleeves and actually addressing the issues. Islam will actually get results. I don't see any other thing that would actually get results. I don't believe in an ethic of "be a passive victim and allow yourself to be victimized," "don't actually do anything".... Islam will actually get results and will actually address the moral degeneracy being pushed on those of us living in the West. The more Islam, the better. The only reason people are opposed to it is due to cultural heritage. But the West doesn't care about its own cultural heritage. The West happily has allowed its culture to be brought into the gutter. It can't get mad when a solution then has to be brought from outside.

Plus, all this does is further confirm that Islam is the actual true religion. I don't think being a passive victim=piety. I think piety demands actually addressing real-world issues and not sitting on a fence. So Islam is good. Since Christianity has embraced an ethic of being good Christian=being powerless... it has abdicated responsiblity. Since Christianity has embraced not stepping up to the plate as an ethic (except when it comes to promoting colonialism and imperialism)- someone has to take responsibility and step up to the plate. Islam should be that "someone". The kids deserve a future. Someone has to actually step up to the plate and defend their interests. Since Christianity isn't willing to do it and secularism just further promotes degeneracy- Islam is needed. People should be applauding Islam and loving Islam. Islam represents hope for an actual future for people.

People can try to debunk this thread's OP's video- however, I think it is actually the "The Bible Says Jesus is Not God".... I think that thread presents the strongest evidence I've seen thus far...... I thought that video was slightly stronger than the one here, although the one here is strong as well. In any case, if people have to go after the slightly weaker video rather than the stronger video- this just further demonstrates that Islam is intellectually superior. Intellectually superior and actually capable of getting results. So... I think it's undeniable that Islam is the one that is actually true. And is actually practical. Today's Christianity doesn't even care about being practical. I think this is why the Christian church is so feminized these days... honestly, when I think of the Christian church, I think of overweight women whose minds are off in la-la land and whose theology is based on emotions and who don't actually follow any concrete rules.

I am merely saying my thoughts on Christianity- I seriously mean nothing against Christians. But I know Christianity and these are just my thoughts. People can criticize Islam for being founded by a man of bravery all they want. To me they sound like liberals terrified of guns and who don't want to accept that struggle and conflict is part of life.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...sweden-to-stop-referring-to-god-as-he-or-lord
https://www.amazon.com/Why-Men-Hate-Going-Church/dp/078523215X
http://thefrontporch.org/2016/04/three-reasons-men-dont-go-to-church/
http://www1.cbn.com/churchandministry/why-men-hate-church

I could go on and on.....

honestly I seriously agree with this guy's assessment....

For the sake of argument, assuming that the west needed to adopt a singular spiritual system in order to improve conditions, if I had to choose between Hinduism or Islam as viable alternatives, I would choose Hinduism every day of the week. People in India have a long-standing history and culture that does not seek to conquer, provoke war, or create oppression. They have a long history of showing respect towards women without having to seek revolution. Hindu people are gentle, pleasant and more often than not, non-aggressive. They place high value on education, family, and taking care of the elderly. Everything that a society needs to be successful. It is no wonder that they have had such long-standing success as a culture.

The history of their culture is a testament to what we should do to create longevity. Islam does not in any way create a viable solution when you consider that alternatives like Hinduism exist. Islam is an oppressive tyrannical system and the people of India have my respect for retaining their culture in the face of Islam attempting to conquer and convert their country to become Islamic. What a great loss this would have been to the world.
 





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I think you might be here somewhat disregarding the especially militant parts of Hindusim, the history of its warrior caste, but, in a way, I second your vote. For experimental purposes, I would be done with the Near Eastern/Semitic religions (Judaism, Christianity and Islam) for awhile. On the other hand, there are plenty of scholars who trace Abraham, or Ibrahim, and not just in an etymological sense, to "a Brahmin," or a representative of the Brahminical caste of India, so maybe that is what, with significant distortions, we have, a sort of export version of Hinduism.
Well, yes I am. I am also ignoring the negatives created by the class system, which I would otherwise mention as well because from a social perspective, the longevity of Hinduism is fascinating to consider. It is possible that Abraham did come from something that is derived from the Brahminical caste of India because we are considering a point of origin when we consider Hinduism that would include the patriarch Abraham. What we need as a society today is make some connection to a point of origin because it is when nations grow too big for their own good that they fall victim to pride, and it is pride that creates the downfall of several empires throughout history. Maybe it is this connection to a point of origin that also contributes to the longevity of a religion like Hinduism.

Zoroastrians are fascinating to me as well for some of the same reasons and it is interesting that I have seen some reports say that Iran is experiencing something of a revival for Zoroastrianism. I would imagine that this also has something to do with identifying some point of origin that demonstrates success the way these two faiths have. They also have a simplicity that is appealing to me.

I would also like to include my opinion that what the world needs right now is judgment and not the forced conversion to a single religion since I am in the process of elaborating on my point. That is what I think we need because otherwise, we will keep arguing amongst ourselves to infinity and beyond. There will be no end without intercession. I believe in spiritual intercession and not man-made intercession as the final solution.
 





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A sort of Christianity with testicles left in tact :cool:. At least, unlike Christians, when Muslims go to war, they don't have to ignore or otherwise suspend the teachings of their prophet.



"The Nazarenes [Christians] are idolaters. The first day of the week is their festival. Hence it is forbidden in Palestine to have commercial intercourse with them on the fifth and sixth day ...


The Ishmaelites [Muslims] are not considered pagan in any sense. No trace of paganism is left in their speech and in their hearts. They confess the Unity of God in its strict and unconditional meaning ..."

The Jews did and do not recognise the Messiah whom their own Scriptures speak about and so it would be wise to take their opinions about religious matters with a pinch of salt.

It has been a long time since Christendom went to war to defend against the Muslim conquests.