“Peace to Prosperity”?

Thunderian

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She’s going to lose this debate to you...
There's never any debate. The Palestinian narrative always falls apart under questioning.

In the meantime, here's a bit of actual history about the Jewish state, it's Arab neighbours, and how Israel ended up controlling Gaza and the West Bank in the first place.

Three Noes That Set the Mideast On Course of Conflict
While the world has pressed Israel for years to accept a land-for-peace formula, Dov Lipman explores the Arabs’ three noes in response to Israel’s peace offer immediately after the Six-Day War.
Demands from the international community that Israel remove its military and citizens from areas it took control of during the Six Day War ignore a simple fact: Immediately following the war, Israel was willing to do just that.​
And the Arabs refused. With three noes.​
In June 1967 the combined armies of Egypt, Syria and Jordan planned to attack Israel from the north, south and east. While Arab leaders made grandiose declarations regarding the imminent destruction of the Jewish state, Israelis prepared themselves for mass casualties and to fight for their lives.​
Israel managed to defeat these massive armies in just six days, starting with a preemptive strike that destroyed the Egyptian air force on the ground. In just six days Israel not only fought off these armies but also won control of land which these countries previously held – the West Bank, (from Jordan), the Gaza Strip (from Egypt), the Golan Heights (from Syria), and the Sinai Desert (from Egypt).​
Israel never had plans to gain control over these areas and immediately following the war was prepared to remove its forces from these regions in exchange for peace with its Arab neighbors. Moshe Dayan, Israel’s then minister of defense remarked that “Israel is waiting for a phone call from the Arabs.” Abba Eban, Israel’s foreign minister made an open declaration at “everything is negotiable.”​
The Arab League comprised of Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Iraq, Algeria, Kuwait, and Sudan met in Khartoum, Sudan from August 29, to September 1. The leaders issued a proclamation known as the Khartoum Resolution, unequivocally stating that:​
The conference has agreed on the need to consolidate all efforts to eliminate the effects of the aggression on the basis that the occupied lands are Arab lands and that the burden of regaining these lands falls on all the Arab States . . .​
The Arab Heads of State have agreed to unite their political efforts at the international and diplomatic level to eliminate the effects of the aggression and to ensure the withdrawal of the aggressive Israeli forces from the Arab lands which have been occupied since the aggression of 5 June. This will be done within the framework of the main principles by which the Arab States abide, namely, no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with it, and insistence on the rights of the Palestinian people in their own country . . .​

The participants have agreed on the need to adopt the necessary measures to strengthen military preparation to face all eventualities.​

The resolution delineated what became known as the three noes of Khartoum.​
  1. No peace with Israel.
  2. No recognition of Israel.
  3. No negotiations with Israel.
It is important to note that despite the final three noes, there were some proposals raised by Arab leaders at that summit.​
Jordan’s King Hussein suggested that if Israel would return the West Bank, Jordan would make sure that it was demilitarized. In addition, while Jordan would not give formal recognition to Israel, it would end its state of belligerence against Israel and would allow Jews to have access to the Western Wall (officially part of the West Bank).​
Egypt’s President Gamal Abdel Nasser came up with a plan in which Israel would withdraw from all the captured lands and, in return, Egypt would end its state of belligerence with Israel, allow Israeli ships to pass through the Strait of Tiran and the Suez Canal but not while flying the Israeli flag since they still would not recognize Israel’s right to exist.​
Neither of these suggestions were adopted by the Arab League. Nor would they have been acceptable to Israel since they did not involve direct negotiations with Israel and, more significantly, did not provide for recognition of Israel and its right to exist.​
Israel’s prime minister, Levi Eshkol’s response to “the three noes” captured the only conclusion which Israel could draw:​
The stand of the Arab heads of state strengthens Israel in her resolution not to permit a return to conditions that enabled her enemies to undermine her security and act against her sovereignty and her very existence.​

If the Arabs would not even recognize Israel’s right to exist, their determination to destroy her would remain in place. And Israel could not withdraw to the indefensible pre-1967 borders which led to the Arabs’ planned attack in the first place.​
Israel never closed the door to exchanging lands which it controlled after the Six Day War in exchange for recognition and peace. Over ten years later, Israel proved this, when it signed a peace agreement with Egypt – after Egypt became the first Arab state to break from the three noes by recognizing Israel. In exchange for that recognition and a promise to end all attempts to destroy her, Israel withdrew from the Sinai Peninsula, which Egypt promised to demilitarize. That was land for peace — real peace.​
Recognition of Israel.​
End to all aggression towards Israel.​
Leaving Israel with defensible borders to provide for its security.​
That’s what it would have taken to bring Middle East peace between Israel and its neighbors in 1967 right after the Six Day War, and that’s what it will take to bring peace between Israel and its neighbors today.​
 

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^^^ Living in the past, man. You Zios can play the victim card all day but the world knows it's a lie.

"In fact, it was Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat who made the biggest, unreciprocated concessions to peace. In 1988, he recognized Israel and, later, in the 1993 Olso accords, he accepted the principle of partition on even more dismal terms than the UN’s – a state on 22 percent of historic Palestine...

A short time later, in 2002, Saudi Arabia’s Peace Initiative offered Israel normal relations with the Arab world in return for a minimal Palestinian state. Israel and western leaders hurriedly shunted it into the annals of forgotten history.

After Arafat’s death, secret talks through 2008-09 – revealed in the Palestine Papers leak – showed the Palestinians making unprecedented concessions. They included allowing Israel to annex large tracts of East Jerusalem, the Palestinians’ expected capital."
 

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UN Economist: The Cost of Israeli Occupation

"...The Israeli measures are designed to erode the productive sectors and to distort the structure of the economy of the occupied Palestinian territory.

In the last four decades the share of agriculture and industry in GDP declined by more than half, from 37 percent to 16 percent, while their contribution to employment dropped from 47 percent to 20 percent.

The occupation authorities do not allow Palestinian producers to access Palestinian territories in Area C, which represents more than 60 percent of the West Bank. According to the World Bank, the occupation of Area C costs the Palestinian economy 35 percent of its annual GDP ($5 Billion in 2017).

The West Bank lost at least 10 percent of its most fertile land to the construction of the 712-kilometre Israeli barrier which lies either on, or to the East of, the June 1967 borders. In January 2015 alone, 5,600 productive fruit trees were uprooted or vandalised, this in addition to uprooting more than 2.5 million productive trees (including 800,000 olive trees) since 1967.

Palestinians are prohibited from maintaining or drilling groundwater wells, while Israel extracts more than what is stipulated by the 1993 Oslo Accords and confiscates 82 percent of Palestinian groundwater, forcing Palestinians to buy their own water from Israel to cover 50 percent of their consumption.

Israel also does not allow Palestinians to utilise the natural gas fields off the coast of Gaza and denies them the right to explore oil and gas in both Gaza and the West Bank.

In Gaza, Palestinians are denied access to half of the arable area and 85 percent of their fishery resources. According to UNCTAD reports, the direct damage of the three Israeli military operations on Gaza between 2008-2014 is no less than the value of what was produced by the Gaza Strip in three years.

It is estimated that the wars of 2008 and 2009 destroyed more than 60 percent of Gaza’s productive base, while the 2014 military strikes destroyed 85 percent of what was left. But the total cost of destruction is much higher if the indirect costs of loss of human capital and future revenues from the destructed productive base are considered.

UNCTAD preliminary estimates suggest that the cost of occupation is worth at least the production of the Palestinian economy in a whole year. In other words, if there is no occupation, the economy of the occupied Palestinian territory could produce at least double what it produces now..."
 

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It is estimated that the wars of 2008 and 2009 destroyed more than 60 percent of Gaza’s productive base, while the 2014 military strikes destroyed 85 percent of what was left.
Yet, somehow, peace with Israel isn't seen as the solution to Gaza's problems.
 

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Here's a good piece on the actual history of the creation of the state of Israel.

The War of Independence: The Sin of Israel’s Creation?
Israel’s War of Independence isn’t so well-understood in the West. The prevailing narrative is probably best articulated by the late US comedian, Alan King, who said, “A summary of every Jewish holiday: They tried to kill us, we won, let’s eat!”​
But a closer look at the war sheds light on a number of controversies still unsettled since the Israeli state’s founding in 1948.​
Israel’s critics spin the War of Independence as the original sin of the Jewish state’s creation. They twist the history and hold the state to impossible standards, even as the Jews fought for their lives. All for the sake of smearing Israel with claims of atrocities and ethnic cleansing, and using the post-war armistice lines to prejudice peace efforts ever since.​
The War of Independence was Israel’s deadliest war. According to the figures, on the Israeli side, 6,373 people were killed — about one percent of the Jewish population, though this number also includes new immigrants and foreigners. Estimates put the Arab death toll at 10,000.​
The players
The Yishuv: This was the organized Jewish community of the Holy Land during the Ottoman and British Mandate periods. In the years leading up to independence, its leader was David Ben-Gurion.​
Israeli history sometimes distinguishes between the “Old Yishuv” and the “New Yishuv.” The Old Yishuv refers to the community of Jews who pre-existed the waves of aliyah that began in the 1880s. The New Yishuv refers to Jews who immigrated from Europe in those pre-state years. The Old Yishuv was religious and lived primarily in Jerusalem, Hebron, Tiberias and Safed. The immigrants of the New Yishuv tended to be more secular and socialist; they founded many of the towns, rural villages and cooperatives (kibbutzim). The Haganah, the main underground defense militia, was founded by the Yishuv (more on that below).​
The Arab Higher Committee: This was the primary leadership of the Palestinian Arabs. It was made up of various political and clan leaders and headed by the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin-al Husseini. Following the assassination of a British official in 1937, the Mandate administration banned the committee; several of its leaders were deported or fled into exile, including the Mufti. After World War II, the AHC was reconstituted and even recognized by Mandate authorities.​
The committee rejected all compromise with the Jews, demanding a complete end to all Jewish migration, a halt in the sale of land to Jews and the cancellation of the Balfour Declaration and the British Mandate. After the War of Independence, Jordan banned the AHC from the West Bank.​
The UN partition plan of 1947 was accepted by the Yishuv but rejected by the Arab Higher Committee.​
Origins of the IDF
The origins of today’s Israel Defense Forces lie in the Haganah, an underground military organization created by the Yishuv. (Haganah literally means “defense.”) Following deadly Arab riots in Jerusalem and Jaffa in 1920 and 1921 respectively, Yishuv leaders concluded that the officials of the British Mandate had no interest in confronting the Arab gangs responsible for the violence. The original militias were localized farmers with minimal arms or training.​
After the Arab riots of 1929, the Haganah’s organization and responsibilities expanded significantly, with more recruits, especially from the cities now, and better weapons.​
Two weeks after Israel declared its independence, the Haganah was disbanded, and its forces merged with fighters from smaller, rival underground revisionist militias (mainly the Irgun and the Lehi) to create the Israel Defense Forces. (The relationship between the Haganah and the revisionists is beyond the scope of this article. See the Jewish Virtual Library for more on the Irgun, the Haganah’s Hunting Season and the Altalena Affair.)​
Crucially, the rivalries didn’t spiral into an open civil war between Jews. During the War of Independence, the IDF seamlessly became Israel’s only armed force and subordinate to the elected government.​
The War of Independence itself
The War of Independence is best understood in two phases: First, as a Jewish-Arab civil war, then a regional war.​
The civil war between the Arabs and the Yishuv began on November 29, 1947. Following the United Nations vote to partition Palestine into separate Jewish and Arab states, Palestinian Arabs attacked numerous Jewish communities and neighborhoods. Arab volunteers from neighboring countries increasingly joined the conflict; over the next four months, the Yishuv suffered severe casualties.​
The tide began to turn in April, 1948 when the Haganah took the initiative. In a period of six weeks, Jews captured the Arab areas of Haifa, Tiberias, Acre and and Safed. Much of the land designated for a Jewish state by the UN partition plan came under Yishuv control during this time. The Haganah also managed to open the road to Jerusalem, albeit temporarily. (The controversial capture of Deir Yassin, in the hills outside Jerusalem, was during this period.)​
The War of Independence changed from a civil war to a broader regional war in May. In a nutshell, Israel declared independence on May 14. The next day, the last British personnel departed and the armies of Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq immediately invaded. These five armies had superior numbers and were better armed. The IDF suffered early defeats, losing the Etzion bloc south of Jerusalem to Jordanian forces, the northern community of Mishmar HaYarden to Syrian forces, and Yad Mordechai near Gaza to Egyptian forces.​
But by July, the IDF stemmed its losses, and in October, launched the first of four operations that paved the way for an armistice:​
  • Operation Yoav (October): Clearing the road to the Negev and capturing Beer Sheva.
    • Operation Hiram (October): Capturing the Upper Galilee from the Arab Liberation Army.
    • Operation Horev (December): Trapping the Egyptian army in Gaza.
    • Operation Uvda (March, 1949): Driving Jordanian forces out of the southern Negev, reaching Eilat and the Red Sea.
The armistice and the Green Line
The war ended with a series of armistice agreements in 1949, signed by Egypt (February 24), Lebanon (March 23), Jordan (April 3) and Syria (July 20). Iraq withdrew its forces and handed over its sector to the Arab Legion of Jordan without signing any armistice. Israel would go on to seize the West Bank, Golan Heights and Gaza Strip in 1967 during the Six Day War, a defensive war fought after Egypt closed the Straits of Tiran and massed forces along its borders.​
The international community regards these 1948 lines as Israel’s borders, viewing the West Bank as Palestinian territory. But Professor Eugene Kontorovich explains that international law does not treat the War of Independence’s armistice lines as an actual border:​
The “Green Line” was created in the wake of Israel’s 1948-49 War of Independence. Upon the country’s founding, Jordan and its allies invaded, with the goal of preventing the creation of a Jewish state. Although they failed at that goal, the Arab armies did occupy significant territory when the armistice was called, including what is now widely referred to as the West Bank and East Jerusalem. Jordan subsequently expelled all Jews from the areas under its control.​
In 1967, during the Six Day War, Israel recaptured these places. But in the war’s aftermath the United Nations invested the temporary 1949 armistice line with talismanic significance. The U.N. claimed Israel was “occupying” the territory that Jordan had forcibly seized not two decades earlier. Thus the international community came up with a unique demand: Israel had to keep the areas under its control, including East Jerusalem and the Old City, free of Jewish inhabitants. Any move to unify Jerusalem would be considered a war crime.​
In international law, armistice lines are not borders; they merely mark breaks in the fighting. The claim that the Green Line created a permanent “Judenrein” zone in the area occupied by Jordan, or that it in any way changed the legal status of the territory on the far side, is unique and illiberal.​
Aside from the borders, the 1949 armistices paved the way for Israeli membership in the UN. The UN Security Council rejected the fledgling state’s initial membership bids in May and December of 1948, saying Israel couldn’t prove its viability. But Israel reached an reached an armistice with Egypt and was closing in on one with Lebanon, providing the opening for the Security Council’s recommendation. By the time the UN General Assembly voted, Israel had reached an agreement not only with Lebanon, but Jordan too.​
Thus, on May 11, 1949, the UN General Assembly admitted Israel as a member by a vote of 37-12, with nine abstentions.​
The War of Independence technically ended with the final Syrian armistice on July 20. But the fallout was just beginning.​
Refugees of the War of Independence
Anticipating war, thousands of Palestinian Arabs fled their homes​
The Palestinians left their homes in 1947-48 for a variety of reasons. Thousands of wealthy Arabs left in anticipation of a war, thousands more responded to Arab leaders’ calls to get out of the way of the advancing armies, a handful were expelled, but most simply fled to avoid being caught in the cross fire of a battle. Had the Arabs accepted the 1947 UN resolution, not a single Palestinian would have become a refugee and an independent Arab state would now exist beside Israel . . .​
By the end of January 1948, the exodus was so alarming the Palestine Arab Higher Committee asked neighboring Arab countries to refuse visas to these refugees and to seal the borders against them.​
Meanwhile, Jewish leaders urged the Arabs to remain in Palestine and become citizens of Israel.​
The number of Palestinian Arabs fleeing their homes rose in April and early May as the Haganah captured Haifa, Tiberias, Acre and Safed. The Yishuv tried to persuade the Arabs to stay and carry on their lives, but most chose to leave, not wanting to be judged as traitors.​
Expulsions by force were limited to the areas of Ramle and Lod because Arab forces used those towns as bases for frequent attacks on Jewish convoys and nearby communities. And Palestinian Arabs in some villages near Lake Hulah in the Galilee were “encouraged” to voluntarily evacuate due to psychological warfare employed by the Palmach, the Haganah’s elite fighting force.​
Bard explains:​
As was clear from the descriptions of what took place in the cities with the largest Arab populations, these cases were clearly the exceptions, accounting for only a small fraction of the Palestinian refugees. The expulsions were not designed to force out the entire Arab population; the areas where they took place were strategically vital and meant to prevent the threat of any rearguard action against the Israeli forces, and to insure clear lines of communication. [Benny] Morris notes that “in general, Haganah and IDF commanders were not forced to confront the moral dilemma posed by expulsion; most Arabs fled before and during the battle, before the Israeli troops reached their homes and before the Israeli commanders were forced to confront the dilema” (The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem Revisited, MA: Cambridge University Press, 2004, p. 592).​
A letter by historian Benny Morris puts the refugee problem in perspective:​
The displacement of the 700,000 Arabs who became “refugees” – and I put the term in inverted commas, as two-thirds of them were displaced from one part of Palestine to another and not from their country (which is the usual definition of a refugee) – was not a “racist crime” (David Landy, January 24th) but the result of a national conflict and a war, with religious overtones, from the Muslim perspective, launched by the Arabs themselves.​
There was no Zionist “plan” or blanket policy of evicting the Arab population, or of “ethnic cleansing”. Plan Dalet (Plan D), of March 10th, 1948 (it is open and available for all to read in the IDF Archive and in various publications), was the master plan of the Haganah – the Jewish military force that became the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) – to counter the expected pan-Arab assault on the emergent Jewish state. That’s what it explicitly states and that’s what it was. And the invasion of the armies of Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Iraq duly occurred, on May 15th.​
See a separate article by Morris debunking in more detail claims of a Zionist “master plan” to expel and ethnically cleanse Israel of its Arab population through the War of Independence.​
With the resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict elusive as ever, it’s worth reminding ourselves of what happened and how the situation got to this point. An honest look at the historical record, especially the War of Independence, would go a long way in helping Israelis and Arabs come to terms, and help the world make better judgments to advance peace.​
 

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So says..
A senior Iraqi parliamentarian warns that the US embassy in Baghdad is involved in "suspicious activities," saying agents of the Israeli spy agency Mossad and the Daesh terrorist group have been spotted regularly visiting the diplomatic mission.

Is it really happening the way he says it is...or is his bias showing?
The article is from PressTV, which is the propaganda arm of the Islamic State of Iran.
 

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We're free to choose who we believe. I surely don't trust mainstream Canadian, British, or US journalists. I don't trust any government 100%, but where there's smoke there's fire. Way too many accounts of US involvement with ISIS not to know they, Israel, and SAE are partners in destabilizing the region.

"Salem had earlier suggested that US forces in Ain al-Assad military base were protecting Daesh ringleader Ibrahim al-Samarrai, aka Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, in the western desert of Iraq’s Anbar province.

"Al-Baghdadi is using the Anbar desert as a safe haven, while the US forces provide him with all means of support from their station at the Ain al-Assad military base in Anbar province," Salem said in February.

The Iraqi MP argued then that America’s support for al-Baghdadi “stems from Washington's fear of a draft bill on expelling foreign troops from Iraq, which the parliament intends to vote on during the new legislative term."

Also in February, former Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki for the first time divulged explosive secrets about how the United States supported Daesh and intentionally allowed the Takfiri terror outfit to gain power in Iraq so that Washington could creep back into the Arab country."
 

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Trump's peace team is heading back to Israel next week

A senior US administration official confirmed to The Jerusalem Post on Sunday that US envoys Jared Kushner, Jason Greenblatt, Brian Hook and Avi Berkowitz will travel to the region next week, in an attempt to keep the momentum of the Economic Plan.

The four will visit Israel, Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia,Qatar and the UAE during the first week of August.

According to the official, the goal of the visit is to finalize the economic component of the peace plan, and to discuss possible resources to fund the administration's vision.

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Trump's peace team is heading back to Israel next week

A senior US administration official confirmed to The Jerusalem Post on Sunday that US envoys Jared Kushner, Jason Greenblatt, Brian Hook and Avi Berkowitz will travel to the region next week, in an attempt to keep the momentum of the Economic Plan.

The four will visit Israel, Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia,Qatar and the UAE during the first week of August.

According to the official, the goal of the visit is to finalize the economic component of the peace plan, and to discuss possible resources to fund the administration's vision.

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Maybe the satanic zio-christian billionaires should be looking at bailing out the Israeli economy instead:

Israel Highest Poverty Rate Among OECD Countries
 

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Trump to launch peace conference with Arab leaders in Camp David

Kushner sets off to for Mideast visit to persuade leaders to attend the conference, set to take place before the Israeli September 17 elections; Netanyahu involved in the designing of peace plan Trump will present, but will not attend the conference

Senior White House advisor Jared Kushner is set to invite Arab Mideast leaders to a peace conference in the U.S. during his visit to the region, launched on Wednesday.

The peace conference is to take place in Camp David, the U.S. President's country retreat, and U.S. President Donald Trump is set to present his Mideast Peace Plan during the conference.

https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-5561021,00.html

Trump To Unveil Peace Plan To Arab Leaders Before Israeli Elections

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Israeli redo-elections are currently scheduled for September 17th and it appears that the Trump Administration is going to be unveiling the second and most important piece of the "Deal of the Century" before then, perhaps in just a few weeks' time. The prophetic implications could be significant as I've written about before.

Trump has just dispatched Kushner to the Middle East to extend formal invitations to all of the region's key leaders, however, one notable Middle Eastern leader will not be invited to the unveiling: Prime Minister Netanyahu. The absence of Israel's executive from the unveil is apparently designed to make the deal more palatable to Arab attendees.

...And the big unveil is set to take place at Camp David, the same diplomatic meeting spot where two peace plans were negotiated by President Jimmy Carter in 1978: "A Framework for Peace in the Middle East" and, separately, "A Framework for the Conclusion of a Peace Treaty between Egypt and Israel." The latter led to a peace agreement between Egypt and Israel the following year and the former is regarded as the basis for the modern push towards a two-state solution (the formal division of God's covenanted land).

https://www.unsealed.org/2019/07/trump-to-unveil-peace-plan-to-arab.html?m=1
 
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What a shame. Guy seems descent enough but is totally removed from reality. Instead of waking people's conscience to the injustice of corrupt powers the Church leaders are filling people's heads with fantasies and visions of the future... when Jesus said to have no thought for tomorrow. People trying to decipher Daniel and apply it to current events are misleading others.

The Saudi coalition and other traitorous Arabs are whores for evil money. The Israeli government are criminals violating United Nations treaties. The US is a wicked, possessed empire that dismantled Syria and Iraq through illegal wars, and is one step away from invading Iran with Great Britain. in nearly 20 years Western allied have caused the deaths of possibly 60 million Muslims in a fraudulent "war on terror."

In reality there never was a peace plan. The recent insulting farce of a blueprint for "peace"was drawn up by Netenyahu and other godless warmongers with full knowledge the Palestinians would never give up their determination for Statehood. Billionaires are sociopaths, that's an accepted fact. Fiends and bullying demons have control over our economy and resources but they won't rule forever.

Good ALWAYS conquers evil- that's the moral of the story.
 
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