“Peace to Prosperity”?

justjess

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We waste trillions of dollars on a lot of other nations who don’t even like us...so what’s your point?

I don’t see thousands being killed for the Jews to live there. I see stubborn people who won’t be happy until they can remove the Jews from Israel completely and who everyday try to hurt, maim and kill them. And for what? They don’t really want that land, they just don’t want the Jews to have it.

Life is precious, you got that right!
We are at war with half the Middle East because of Israel, we are this close to war with Iran because of Israel.. that’s a lot of wasted precious lives.
 






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We are at war with half the Middle East because of Israel, we are this close to war with Iran because of Israel.. that’s a lot of wasted precious lives.
We’ve been near war with Russia too but we’ve also never gone there. We had a good reason to be at war with Iran when they took our people as hostage, yet we didn’t go to war with them then either. Who knows if this will end up a war or a rumor of war..like so many wars these days.

I thought that we were trying to stop isis..that’s not exactly a war with half the middle east because of Israel.
 






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Opening Bahrain workshop, Kushner says economic progress a precondition to peace

“Senior Trump adviser tells dignitaries gathered in Manama his plan for the Middle East is ‘the opportunity of the century’ for Palestinians, laments their lack of cooperation”

“Kicking off the Trump administration’s international peace conference in Bahrain Tuesday, US President Donald Trump’s son-in-law and senior adviser Jared Kushner said his plan for the Middle East was “the opportunity of the century” for the Palestinians but their acceptance was a precondition to peace.”

“Agreeing on an economic pathway forward is a necessary precondition to resolving the previously unsolvable political issues,” Kushner said as he opened the workshop in the Bahraini capital of Manama, which is being boycotted by the Palestinian Authority.”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/opening-bahrain-workshop-kushner-says-economic-progress-a-precondition-to-peace/
 






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What is ISIS a reaction to Lisa?
Isis is about bringing the muslim end time prophecies to pass..they’d like their messiah to come to and help them rule the whole earth with sharia.

Edit: you can tell because there is heavy fighting in Syria..that’s where their messiah is going to be...according to their scriptures.
 






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Isis is about bringing the muslim end time prophecies to pass..they’d like their messiah to come to and help them rule the whole earth with sharia.

Edit: you can tell because there is heavy fighting in Syria..that’s where their messiah is going to be...according to their scriptures.
I disagree... I’m pretty sure it has more to do with being fed up with wester imperialist interference - most readily illustrated by the state of Israel.

But, let’s just say your right... do you not see how insane that sounds to an objective observer? The whole Middle East embroiled in war because every group (Israel, Jews, christians and Muslims) are trying to set the stage to bring on their version of the end times??

I truly don’t understand why anyone would even want the end times, first off all. Second of all both holy books say it won’t be up to man and you won’t know the time. Third of all... which one of you is even right? My guess is neither and even if u chose a side if you can’t see the unnecessary destruction that comes behind this, you have blinders on.

I still vote to move one group or the other to Wyoming where they can have an independent state of their own. If the good people of Wyoming don’t agree, tough shit.
 






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I disagree... I’m pretty sure it has more to do with being fed up with wester imperialist interference - most readily illustrated by the state of Israel.

But, let’s just say your right... do you not see how insane that sounds to an objective observer? The whole Middle East embroiled in war because every group (Israel, Jews, christians and Muslims) are trying to set the stage to bring on their version of the end times??

I truly don’t understand why anyone would even want the end times, first off all. Second of all both holy books say it won’t be up to man and you won’t know the time. Third of all... which one of you is even right? My guess is neither and even if u chose a side if you can’t see the unnecessary destruction that comes behind this, you have blinders on.

I still vote to move one group or the other to Wyoming where they can have an independent state of their own. If the good people of Wyoming don’t agree, tough shit.
You are bang on point again there Jess. You talk perfect common sense on such issues.
 






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I disagree... I’m pretty sure it has more to do with being fed up with wester imperialist interference - most readily illustrated by the state of Israel.

But, let’s just say your right... do you not see how insane that sounds to an objective observer? The whole Middle East embroiled in war because every group (Israel, Jews, christians and Muslims) are trying to set the stage to bring on their version of the end times??

I truly don’t understand why anyone would even want the end times, first off all. Second of all both holy books say it won’t be up to man and you won’t know the time. Third of all... which one of you is even right? My guess is neither and even if u chose a side if you can’t see the unnecessary destruction that comes behind this, you have blinders on.

I still vote to move one group or the other to Wyoming where they can have an independent state of their own. If the good people of Wyoming don’t agree, tough shit.
How are Christians and Jews trying to bring their own version of the end times? Christians have no control over the end times...and I don’t know what the Jews have, I don’t think they have an end times prophecy that they are watching for.

Who says we want the end times? We are going to experience it like everyone else in the world. Some people think we won’t be here...but I’m of the opinion we will.
The Bible is correct because God doesn’t lie.
What’s the unnecessary destruction that you are talking about?

lol...the Wyoming plan isn’t going to happen, though I have heard that there are a lot of Jews in NY city.
 






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How are Christians and Jews trying to bring their own version of the end times? Christians have no control over the end times...and I don’t know what the Jews have, I don’t think they have an end times prophecy that they are watching for.

Who says we want the end times? We are going to experience it like everyone else in the world. Some people think we won’t be here...but I’m of the opinion we will.
The Bible is correct because God doesn’t lie.
What’s the unnecessary destruction that you are talking about?

lol...the Wyoming plan isn’t going to happen, though I have heard that there are a lot of Jews in NY city.
Nyc is too populated. You’d have to move too many people. Though they do have a large community and seem to do just fine, they have their own laws and police and courts etc, no one bothers them and they don’t bother anyone.

I said Wyoming because it’s the least populated us state other than Alaska. I doubt the Jews want to freeze and it cuts the cost of relocating current citizens who would choose to leave by picking the state with the least amount of citizens.

Yes I’m sure trump just moved the embassy and all that out of The goodness of his heart. No way he had financial backers in his ear pushing for it because THEY want to produce the necessary conditions for the end times despite the fact that it isn’t being done by god, but by man.

These books and beliefs have been around for thousands of years, if you don’t think there very existence is agitating people to act in a way which reflects the prophecies you are delusional. Why fight so hard for the Jews to have Israel - there’s plenty of other potential homes available - if there was no other reason? Why waste TRILLIONS of dollars and doom thousands of people for that particular plot of dirt?
 






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Nyc is too populated. You’d have to move too many people. Though they do have a large community and seem to do just fine, they have their own laws and police and courts etc, no one bothers them and they don’t bother anyone.

I said Wyoming because it’s the least populated us state other than Alaska. I doubt the Jews want to freeze and it cuts the cost of relocating current citizens who would choose to leave by picking the state with the least amount of citizens.

Yes I’m sure trump just moved the embassy and all that out of The goodness of his heart. No way he had financial backers in his ear pushing for it because THEY want to produce the necessary conditions for the end times despite the fact that it isn’t being done by god, but by man.

These books and beliefs have been around for thousands of years, if you don’t think there very existence is agitating people to act in a way which reflects the prophecies you are delusional. Why fight so hard for the Jews to have Israel - there’s plenty of other potential homes available - if there was no other reason? Why waste TRILLIONS of dollars and doom thousands of people for that particular plot of dirt?
I just meant that NYC already has a large Jewish population..
They would blow away in Wyoming...it’s always windy there. ;)

Maybe. Trump did? His sil and daughter are Jewish. I think his older son married and divorced a Jewish woman. Idk about the youngest son. Trump doesn’t seem to mind the Jews and gets along with bibi.

Well what end Times event do you think the Jews are pushing for? One end times event are the muslim nations overrunning them and raping the women and killing people. I doubt they are wanting to do that.

Maybe these things are happening not because people are bringing them about but happening because prophecy says they are going to happen? I can guarantee you that most Christians are pre trib because they don’t want to go through the tribulation. They don’t want to be around for that and they are scared about what they already see.

Again, the reason for that little plot of land is because God gave it to the Jews and He put them back in that land through the events of WWII. No one will be able to remove them until certain events and then God will have a remnant Jewish community that He will supernaturally protect. The end times is gonna be one heck of a wild ride and it’s gonna be scary as anything.
 






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I just meant that NYC already has a large Jewish population..
They would blow away in Wyoming...it’s always windy there. ;)

Maybe. Trump did? His sil and daughter are Jewish. I think his older son married and divorced a Jewish woman. Idk about the youngest son. Trump doesn’t seem to mind the Jews and gets along with bibi.

Well what end Times event do you think the Jews are pushing for? One end times event are the muslim nations overrunning them and raping the women and killing people. I doubt they are wanting to do that.

Maybe these things are happening not because people are bringing them about but happening because prophecy says they are going to happen? I can guarantee you that most Christians are pre trib because they don’t want to go through the tribulation. They don’t want to be around for that and they are scared about what they already see.

Again, the reason for that little plot of land is because God gave it to the Jews and He put them back in that land through the events of WWII. No one will be able to remove them until certain events and then God will have a remnant Jewish community that He will supernaturally protect. The end times is gonna be one heck of a wild ride and it’s gonna be scary as anything.
You can “not mind the Jews” without doing extremely explosive things on their behalf. I don’t mind the Jews, I love quite a few of them. This isn’t about loving or hating Jews.

If you truly believe he did this because he has a Jewish son in law... I guess there’s truly nothing else to say. I can’t even attempt to get past that level of naivety.

Israel was promised to Rothschild when funding was needed for war efforts. Just play with that for a bit.
 






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If you truly believe he did this because he has a Jewish son in law... I guess there’s truly nothing else to say. I can’t even attempt to get past that level of naivety.
I don’t think he did it because he has a Jewish sil..I just think he doesn’t have anything against them and that’s why he moved the embassy. He likes the Jews and that’s why I mentioned Jewish family members.

Israel was promised to Rothschild when funding was needed for war efforts. Just play with that for a bit.
By who? I’m not sure what your meaning is here, maybe you could elaborate?
 






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White House Unveils its Palestinian ‘Peace to Prosperity’ Plan

The Trump administration will roll out the first part of its long-awaited Middle East peace plan, which aims to raise billions to help Palestinians and other Arabs in the region. Top Trump officials and business leaders will attend the unveiling of the plan, spearheaded by Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law, at a summit Tuesday in Bahrain.

Speakers at the investment summit will include business leaders including Stephen Schwarzman, chairman of Blackstone Group, Randall Stephenson, chairman of AT&T, and Tom Barrack, chairman of Colony Capital Inc., as well as World Bank President David Malpass and IMF Managing Director Christine Lagarde, according to an administration official who declined to be identified because the details aren’t yet public.

On hand from the administration will be Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, special envoy Jason Greenblatt, Brian Hook, U.S. special representative for Iran, and Kevin Hassett, the outgoing chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers, and others.

The White House on Saturday unveiled a proposal to raise more than $50 billion in investments for the Palestinians, the centerpiece of the Bahrain meeting and the peace plan. Palestinian officials plan to skip the event and have criticized the U.S. approach to focus first on the investment plan.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-22/trump-mideast-plan-includes-5-billion-transport-link-reuters

White House source document:-

https://www.whitehouse.gov/peacetoprosperity/
Terrible plan from a terrible man.
Good for the Palestinians. Skipping the Zionist farce.
 






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How did they get the land they lived on, farmed and developed pre-1948?
If i kick you out of your house and move in there, thats not buying.

I don’t see how the latter stole it when it was given to them :rolleyes:

It is the former that is causing genocide...isis anyone? And I gotta say they aren’t gonna get away with it with God. The only way to avoid destruction is to believe on Jesus. As for the latter, God isn’t done with them yet! :)
"Given to them" yes given to them by western crooks and anti-semites now trying to cover up their faults. Its still stealing.


It is funny how there is doubt as to the actual genealogy of the people living in the land now that call themselves Jews. However, I doubt that God brought non Jews into the land He gave the Israelites. He knows who are His chosen people and He has brought them back into their land that He gave them for an everlasting possession. Being God, He can do what He wants.
These people are not the original children of Israel lisa. Most of them have their roots around the globe but the one place their roots don't connect is Palestine.
 






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I thought that we were trying to stop isis..
Isis is about bringing the muslim end time prophecies to pass..they’d like their messiah to come to and help them rule the whole earth with sharia.

Edit: you can tell because there is heavy fighting in Syria..that’s where their messiah is going to be...according to their scriptures
Well, this is very odd because it would mean that US intelligence agencies are directly responsible for and working hard to make muslim end-times prophecies a reality.

As you might know, ISIS was trained in Jordan. Here are the Qataris complaining how the US and others left them “holding the ISIS bag” in Syria.
In Shocking, Viral Interview, Qatar Confesses Secrets Behind Syrian War.

And here’s that famous DIA document: 2012 Defense Intelligence Agency document: West will facilitate rise of Islamic State “in order to isolate the Syrian regime” on how ISIS would be used to balkanize Syria for the West but if you are not a text person and prefer a video, here’s Micheal Flynn, as former DIA head. Which then begs the question: why would supposedly secular/Christian US intel agencies try to immanentize Islamic apocalypticism?


and I don’t know what the Jews have, I don’t think they have an end times prophecy that they are watching for.
Oh yes they do. Here’s one… apparently the Jewish sages believed that Christians were the descendants of Esau. Now if you know your OT well, the Messiah has some serious destruction to do in Edom. Therefore, Jewish end times are predicated on your (a Christian) death and destruction.
 






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I wonder how the good people of Wyoming would feel if we gave the Jews their land?
The British already tried to offer them Uganda and Argentina was also on the table (not the countries in their entirety) but they refused. They could reject the offer because they had an upper-hand as you said…..they had something that Britain wanted. Its just depressing how this ‘Israel project” has brought the world to its knees. 9/11 was the magic talisman to get them their sovereignty from “the sea to the Jordan” and also to ensure the Jewish state as the strongest in the region. Without a doubt, this wouldn’t have been possible without Christian Zionism. Apparently, the aforementioned have to be consulted to see if they are okay with whatever policy.

In early March, the administration hosted a meeting with evangelical leaders—including prominent (and deeply controversial) Christian Zionist leaders like Pastor John Hagee—to “hear any concerns and red lines” they might have on a potential Israeli-Palestinian peace plan, according to an Axios source, and to reassure them that any plan would protect Israeli interests.
https://newrepublic.com/article/153387/christianization-us-foreign-policy
Opening Bahrain workshop, Kushner says economic progress a precondition to peace

“Senior Trump adviser tells dignitaries gathered in Manama his plan for the Middle East is ‘the opportunity of the century’ for Palestinians, laments their lack of cooperation”

“Kicking off the Trump administration’s international peace conference in Bahrain Tuesday, US President Donald Trump’s son-in-law and senior adviser Jared Kushner said his plan for the Middle East was “the opportunity of the century” for the Palestinians but their acceptance was a precondition to peace.”

“Agreeing on an economic pathway forward is a necessary precondition to resolving the previously unsolvable political issues,” Kushner said as he opened the workshop in the Bahraini capital of Manama, which is being boycotted by the Palestinian Authority.”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/opening-bahrain-workshop-kushner-says-economic-progress-a-precondition-to-peace/
I don’t believe this to be genuine at all. The Palestinian territories are under occupation, an open-air prison and we all know, whether we like it or not, that Israel is going to have all the land from the sea to the Jordan River. So its very farcical of Kushner and team to do this when they know full well that the Gazans will eventually have to be expelled. What is the point, rather why would anyone try to prosper a people that they are eventually going to expel? For the record, Trump is for a one-state solution.

“When we talk about the Holy Land, God’s promise of the Holy Land, we’re talking about real estate on both sides of the Jordan River. So the sense of a greater Israel and expansionism is really important to this community,” University of North Texas professor Elizabeth Oldmixon told Vox last year. “Jerusalem is just central to that. It’s viewed as a historical and biblical capital.”
 






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If i kick you out of your house and move in there, thats not buying.
That's not an answer, and that's not what happened.

Picture it. Palestine. 1948. The nation of Israel has just been born. Where did all the Jews come from, and what were they doing until then? Did they all show up on May 14, 1948 and start kicking the Palestinians out? Were they living there, but renting until then? What? In your Nakba fantasy, how did it all go down? Serious question.
 






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That's not an answer, and that's not what happened.

Picture it. Palestine. 1948. The nation of Israel has just been born. Where did all the Jews come from, and what were they doing until then? Did they all show up on May 14, 1948 and start kicking the Palestinians out? Were they living there, but renting until then? What? In your Nakba fantasy, how did it all go down? Serious question.
From the rest of the earth? I'm not going to sit here and dictate to you known stuff just because youre behind on your electricity bill.
 






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From the rest of the earth? I'm not going to sit here and dictate to you known stuff just because youre behind on your electricity bill.
You're dodging the question. You either don't have a clue what the circumstances of the creation of the state of Israel were, or you do know, and you won't admit it, because you know it pops the Palestinian victim balloon.
 






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