“Peace to Prosperity”?

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Olive Branches and Nuclear Bombs in Israel

According to the Christian website St Basil’s the olive tree “is a symbol of peace, prosperity, health, wellness, abundance and food.” And Israel Olive Bond concurs, observing that it “has been an important component of Jewish and Israeli culture throughout history” being “mentioned frequently in the Bible in the context of blessings, fruitfulness, and health” and “eventually became linked to the concept of putting down roots in the land.”
Which is no doubt why Israelis continue destroying Palestinian olive trees.
According to independent monitors some 4,000 Palestinian olive trees were destroyed by Israeli settlers and soldiers in the period January-July 2020 and in August an Israeli military officer, Colonel Eitan Abrahams, was reported as saying that the destruction was justified “for the safety of settlers,” because the trees protect Palestinian gunmen or stone-throwers.
The Western media rarely mention anything like this about Israel/Palestine, because it is now generally accepted in America and Europe that any report or comment that might place Israel in a poor light is to be avoided. The influence wielded by pro-Israel organisations and lobbyists in the essentially pro-Israel UK Parliament and the equally supportive U.S. Congress is such that there can be no time allotted to impartial discussion or democratic debate on such matters as destruction of olive trees by illegal Israeli colonisers on Palestinian land.
It is notable that the current British Minister for Home Affairs, Priti Patel, was sacked by former prime minister Theresa May because she told lies about a visit she made to Israel and was promptly appointed to her position of great responsibility by May’s successor, Boris Johnson, he who declares himself to be “a passionate defender of Israel.” Across the Atlantic, the amounts of Israel Lobby money given to U.S. politicians are staggering, and as the independent Clingendael Institute notes, “in August 2019, President Donald Trump declared himself ‘history’s most pro-Israel U.S. president’ while Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu described Trump as ‘the best friend Israel has ever had in the White House’.” Leaping on the Zionist bandwagon, presidential contender Joe Biden announced that “As President, Joe Biden will continue to ensure that the Jewish State, the Jewish people, and Jewish values have the unbreakable support of the United States.”
It cannot be expected that Britain or America will ever withdraw the olive branches of generous backing that they extend to Israel, or that they would ever condemn destruction of Palestinian olive trees or seizure of Palestinian lands; but German and France are not unconditionally supportive of Israeli dominion and in July issued a statement saying that “any annexation of Palestinian territories occupied in 1967 would be a violation of international law and imperil the foundations of the peace process. We would not recognize any changes to the 1967 borders that are not agreed by both parties in the conflict.” They won’t have the slightest effect on Israel’s continuing illegal occupation and annexation of Palestinian territory, but at least there is someone out there who cares a bit about Palestinians.
But nobody cares about Israel’s nuclear weapons.
The badge of Israel’s military forces displays the Star of David and a sword, and it is strikingly ironic that the sword is wrapped in an olive branch. No doubt, while Israeli soldiers bulldoze and otherwise hack down acres of Palestinian olive trees, consigning thousands of Palestinians to poverty, they rejoice that their mission of destruction is truly peaceful. And they probably think their country’s nuclear arsenal should also be wrapped in olive branches.
In March 2006 it was revealed that the United Kingdom “secretly supplied Israel with plutonium during the 1960s despite a warning from military intelligence that it could help the Israelis to develop a nuclear bomb… The documents also show how Britain made hundreds of shipments to Israel of material which could have helped in its nuclear weapons programme, including compounds of uranium, lithium, beryllium and tritium, as well as heavy water.” (Britain acceded to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons in 1968.) As is normal, the matter was not followed up officially — at least on the surface.
But down below, in the gutters, it appears there was much activity and in August 2016 the UK’s Independent newspaper reported that “more than 400 documents, including government files relating to the UK’s involvement in Israel’s alleged nuclear arsenal, have gone missing.”
The lost material was stored in the National Archives in Kew, near London. From first-hand experience I state flatly that this establishment is staffed by dedicated and most efficient professionals who do not “lose” such things as “more than 60 Foreign office files, over 40 Home office documents, and six from the records of former prime ministers” dealing with Britain’s “military and nuclear collaboration with Israel.”
In 2016 the BBC submitted a Freedom of Information Request for these publicly available documents about British government policy and was informed that they had all disappeared. Among the missing material “is a Foreign Office file from 1979 entitled ‘Military and nuclear collaboration with Israel: Israeli nuclear armament’.”
The papers were important historical records, and it is astonishing that there has been no investigation into what could be revealed as a criminal conspiracy to destroy official chronicles. But the attitude of successive UK governments concerning Israel’s nuclear weapons has been remarkably consistent, in that unrelenting support for all Israeli activities has been displayed, no matter the political persuasion of the governing party. And in the four years since the material disappeared there has been no attempt to pursue the matter.
Britain’s stance regarding Israel’s nuclear weapons was brought up in 2014 when the government was asked in the House of Lords “whether they will make representations to the government of Israel to declare (1) any stocks of nuclear weapons they possess, and (2) any facilities they fund to research and produce such weapons.” In spite of the fact that the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI) 2014 Yearbook recorded that Israel had 80 nuclear warheads, the government’s answer was that “Israel has not declared a nuclear weapons programme. We have regular discussions with the Government of Israel on a range of nuclear-related issues. The Government of Israel is in no doubt as to our views…” In one respect the answer was clearly indicative of policy, in that Israel is certainly in no doubt about the views of Britain (and France and the U.S. and very many others) concerning its illegal nuclear weapons: it is most unlikely that any international action will be taken to limit Israel’s nuclear arsenal (now numbering at least 90 warheads according to SIPRI) or in any way interfere with its nuclear posture.
The certain things are that Israel will carry on destroying Palestinian houses and olive trees while the countries of the Western world keep extending olive branches to its nuclear bombs.
 






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I forgot you don’t actually entertain questions about the things you say. I can provide you with maps that show the borders of historic Israel. If Palestinians have any historic claim on the land, shouldn’t they be able to do the same? If you don’t like my questions about “historic” Palestine, don’t use the term.
What a bizarre comment. This is the last time i'm going to respond to you directly until you start behaving like a rational person.

I forgot you don’t actually entertain questions about the things you say.
Actually i pointed you in the direction of a Zionist propaganda site that contains maps of Historic Palestine with borders included. But as we both know you have no interest in looking at the maps or the borders because to do so would mean that your zionist script would be right out the window. The fact is you are trying to steer my comments into a place where you can produce said zionist script and act like you're a font of knowledge but we both know that A) You never bother to check out the facts in your script and B) anything that i show that contradicts your script will be ignored until we eventually get to the point where you act like a spoiled brat and start shouting "Jew Hater" and C) you're clueless on the subject. In fact so clueless are you that you didn't even know that Israel demands the Palestinians recognise them as a 'Jewish State' . So go ahead, just start the name calling because i'm not falling for your nonsense or your muddying of the waters. Besides that, i'm not even sure what your claim is concerning Historic Palestine. Indeed i'm not even sure why you commented at me in the first place as you don't seem to disagree with the point i made (although your tone would suggest otherwise) and consequently your own ramblings seem to back up what i said (although you wont be able to connect those dots). So summing up...don't try and get sneaky with me. We will play your silly game when i decide i want to play your silly game.

I can provide you with maps that show the borders of historic Israel.
Good for you.

If Palestinians have any historic claim on the land, shouldn’t they be able to do the same?
Pure delusion. Where have i mentioned anything of that nature here? It seems like the simple mention of Historic Palestine has got your feathers ruffled...Should i expect another meltdown from you soon?

If you don’t like my questions about “historic” Palestine, don’t use the term.
Historic Palestine! What happens now? Hey, if i say it 3Xs will the ghost of Ariel Sharon appear? Lets see. Historic Palestine! Historic Palestine! Historic Palestine!

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Isn’t it strange that when the secretary-general of the PLO needs a doctor, he goes to Hadassah Medical in Israel? Leaving aside that It’s a bit like Heinrich Himmler popping over to London for medical attention between bombing campaigns during the Blitz, aren’t the Israelis said to be guilty of poisoning Arafat and untold legions of Palestine’s finest? Why would Saeb Erekat deliver himself up to Israeli doctors like that? And what about BDS? If I was Erekat, I’d be looking for a strongly worded email from Roger Waters.

Unless it’s all been for show, and there is not and never was any need for a war against the Jews, even though one has been waged for 70 years by men who care about as much for the Palestinians as they do for Eskimos. No, that can’t be it.
 






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Isn’t it strange that when the secretary-general of the PLO needs a doctor, he goes to Hadassah Medical in Israel? Leaving aside that It’s a bit like Heinrich Himmler popping over to London for medical attention between bombing campaigns during the Blitz, aren’t the Israelis said to be guilty of poisoning Arafat and untold legions of Palestine’s finest? Why would Saeb Erekat deliver himself up to Israeli doctors like that? And what about BDS? If I was Erekat, I’d be looking for a strongly worded email from Roger Waters.

Unless it’s all been for show, and there is not and never was any need for a war against the Jews, even though one has been waged for 70 years by men who care about as much for the Palestinians as they do for Eskimos. No, that can’t be it.
millions of dollars are spent by ISRAELI spy agencies to those who have put their soles on sale for money to spread lies on the internet.
look at this 2011 map (think about how much more land has been illegally and in inhuman ways has been stolen now in 2020) :

Israeli Restrictions on Palestinian Access in the West Bank (July 2011)

Please note that the areas in blue color which belong to the Palestinitans and ruled by (PLO) are occupied by the ISRAELI forces and palestinitans should cross israeli checkpoints to travel between PALESTINIAN cities:

 






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millions of dollars are spent by ISRAELI spy agencies to those who have put their soles on sale for money to spread lies on the internet.
look at this 2011 map (think about how much more land has been illegally and in inhuman ways has been stolen now in 2020) :

Israeli Restrictions on Palestinian Access in the West Bank (July 2011)

Please note that the areas in blue color which belong to the Palestinitans and ruled by (PLO) are occupied by the ISRAELI forces and palestinitans should cross israeli checkpoints to travel between PALESTINIAN cities:

This is all irrelevant now.
 






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Isn’t it strange that when the secretary-general of the PLO needs a doctor, he goes to Hadassah Medical in Israel? Leaving aside that It’s a bit like Heinrich Himmler popping over to London for medical attention between bombing campaigns during the Blitz, aren’t the Israelis said to be guilty of poisoning Arafat and untold legions of Palestine’s finest? Why would Saeb Erekat deliver himself up to Israeli doctors like that? And what about BDS? If I was Erekat, I’d be looking for a strongly worded email from Roger Waters.

Unless it’s all been for show, and there is not and never was any need for a war against the Jews, even though one has been waged for 70 years by men who care about as much for the Palestinians as they do for Eskimos. No, that can’t be it.
Reports that Erekat has died of Covid. Guess the Mossad got him after all.
 






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Palestinian life is irrelevant now?
Of course that’s not what I said. This is why discussions about this topic go nowhere. There is no misrepresentation of words that’s too bizarre not to be used as a comeback.

If Palestinian lives meant anything to any Palestinian leaders, a peace deal would have been struck years ago. The reality is that you and others are so steeped in lies about this issue that the notion is beyond your comprehension.
 






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Of course that’s not what I said. This is why discussions about this topic go nowhere. There is no misrepresentation of words that’s too bizarre not to be used as a comeback.

If Palestinian lives meant anything to any Palestinian leaders, a peace deal would have been struck years ago. The reality is that you and others are so steeped in lies about this issue that the notion is beyond your comprehension.
OK, so a bunch of Jews with help from world powers, all of a sudden, claim that the Palestinian land was theirs 2000 years ago and expel hapless Palestinians, commit massacres and steal their land by force.

YET, it is Palestinians who reject peace.
 






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OK, so a bunch of Jews with help from world powers, all of a sudden, claim that the Palestinian land was theirs 2000 years ago and expel hapless Palestinians, commit massacres and steal their land by force.

YET, it is Palestinians who reject peace.
See what I mean by lies? You actually think that’s how it went down, don’t you?

All of a sudden? Jews have lived in Palestine for thousands and thousands of years. They didn’t suddenly show up and claim the land. They emigrated to their homeland and bought it back.

What world powers helped them? The British had promised to help them, but restricted Jewish immigration to Palestine at the height of the Holocaust. The British, who controlled Palestine, were so helpful that they waged war against Jews there, leading battalions of Arabs in attacks against them, and when when the newly born state of Israel was fighting attacks from the entire Arab world, the rest of the world “helped” Israel by enacting an arms embargo against them. This is all a matter of history.

Yes, Palestinians have rejected peace. They’ve had 70 years to build some semblance of a state, and instead have put all their efforts into trying to kill Jews. Do you think the cost was worth it?
 






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What a bizarre comment. This is the last time i'm going to respond to you directly until you start behaving like a rational person.



Actually i pointed you in the direction of a Zionist propaganda site that contains maps of Historic Palestine with borders included. But as we both know you have no interest in looking at the maps or the borders because to do so would mean that your zionist script would be right out the window. The fact is you are trying to steer my comments into a place where you can produce said zionist script and act like you're a font of knowledge but we both know that A) You never bother to check out the facts in your script and B) anything that i show that contradicts your script will be ignored until we eventually get to the point where you act like a spoiled brat and start shouting "Jew Hater" and C) you're clueless on the subject. In fact so clueless are you that you didn't even know that Israel demands the Palestinians recognise them as a 'Jewish State' . So go ahead, just start the name calling because i'm not falling for your nonsense or your muddying of the waters. Besides that, i'm not even sure what your claim is concerning Historic Palestine. Indeed i'm not even sure why you commented at me in the first place as you don't seem to disagree with the point i made (although your tone would suggest otherwise) and consequently your own ramblings seem to back up what i said (although you wont be able to connect those dots). So summing up...don't try and get sneaky with me. We will play your silly game when i decide i want to play your silly game.



Good for you.



Pure delusion. Where have i mentioned anything of that nature here? It seems like the simple mention of Historic Palestine has got your feathers ruffled...Should i expect another meltdown from you soon?



Historic Palestine! What happens now? Hey, if i say it 3Xs will the ghost of Ariel Sharon appear? Lets see. Historic Palestine! Historic Palestine! Historic Palestine!

In light of your new love of cartography







£P
Best thing I've read all day. Well and truly owned.
 






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