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We have to be careful not to build our theology on these dreams or near-death experiences because they're all different and they contradict each other. We should always remember that the sure Word of God is always true and is what we should put our trust in and the One Who inspired it, not human experiences.
seekinheart
seekinheart
I believe his testimony over your interpretation, sorry.
seekinheart
seekinheart
Dean Braxton died for about 2 hours btw he has the medical records that prove it. Guess where he went when he died ? He didn't go to sleep. He was greeted in heaven by generations of his family that were born again. Don't make your own interpretation an idol when there are living testimonies of the contrary.
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You believe Ray's testimony over the Word of God you mean. Dead people DO NOT go to heaven or hell, its the reason Jesus is coming back the second time and raising the righteous dead and taking them back to heaven along with the righteous who are still alive. This is the truth of the Bible not me.
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When Lazarus was resurrected by Jesus, he did not have stories of being in heaven and speaking with God, that is because he was in an unconscious state where he had no thoughts. He knew absolutely nothing. That is why Jesus said he was sleeping. Ray may be genuine but he is wrong about being dead and speaking to God.
seekinheart
seekinheart
Hang on Jesus died and gave us the key to death and hades, the theif on cross was told he would be with him in paradise. There are too many testimonies that support this. God's not the author of confusion and the holy spirit testifies through people.
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I don't know who Dean Braxton is but he did not die according to the Bible. And if his family and all the righteous go to heaven when they die, who is Jesus coming back for at His second coming? Which righteous is He going to raise from the dead then? It does not make sense. I choose to believe the Bible over people's experiences that do match the Bible.
seekinheart
seekinheart
Lazarus was before Jesus atoning works not to mention just because he never spoke of it doesn't mean it didn't happen, he was more than likely in Abraham's bosom which is not described in detail either.
seekinheart
seekinheart
Rapture... And second coming are two separate events.
seekinheart
seekinheart
Love ya brother but you are wrong, these messages are hopeful and biblical, don't be a Pharisee.
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And how can anyone who died and went to heaven while still having family and friends alive one earth be free of grief when they can look down and see the terrible things that might happen to them. That's completely opposite to what scripture teaches.
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Revelation 21:4, "And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away."
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There is no rapture in the Bible. Not a single word about it. There is only the second coming where Jesus is coming for the righteous dead and alive. The Bible is clear on this too but you have chosen to believe another manmade doctrine that is not in harmony with God's Word. I am not wrong on Biblical teaching.
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“The Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout. … And the dead in Christ will rise. … And thus we shall always be with the Lord” (1 Thessalonians 4:16, 17).
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“We shall all be changed—in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye … and the dead will be raised incorruptible. … For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality” (1 Corinthians 15:51-53).
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The dead will be raised, given immortal bodies, and caught up to meet the Lord in the air. There would be no purpose in a resurrection if people were taken to heaven at death.
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The Lazarus in the parable and the Lazarus who was resurrected by Jesus are not the same person. A parable is not real or literal and Jesus told it to make a point to the Jews about not sharing the gospel with the Gentiles around them.
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And if the thief was to be in paradise with Jesus that day, did Jesus go back to heaven that day? Is it not true that he was in the tomb and rose on Sunday? Jesus said to Mary, “I have not yet ascended to My Father” (John 20:17).
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The punctuation we see in the Bible today is not original, but added centuries later by translators. The comma in Luke 23:43 would be better placed after the word “today” rather than before, so that the passage reads, “Assuredly, I say to you today, you will be with Me in Paradise.”
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Meaning eaning "I give you the assurance today that you will be with me in Paradise.” The righteous of all ages will enter Paradise at the second coming not at death.
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