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I genuinely don't generalize you with all Muslims I've met there are differrent people in Islam , over 1 billion. Similar to Christianity(which has become a title to many). There are professing Christians who profess evil doctrines and you best believe I will not justify their actions.

So never think that, you're an individual and I'll treat you as such. Same with racial issues.

The problem is that you are attempting to judge Islam as a religion by imposing Christian doctrines on Islamic theology. This is a problem because, for all their shared Abrahamic attributes, the two are founded on differing assumptions. Also, seem to have have little knowledge about the Quran and Muhammad (peace be upon him), you're simply making assumptions based on what you've been told.

Instead of allowing others to tell you about Islam, find out what it has to say about itself. Read the Quran, and specifically, the stories that are more relevant to your interest, such as the story of Mary and Jesus (chapter 19). Also, read a biography of Muhammad (peace be upon him) - there is an excellent one by Martin Lings called "Muhammad, his life based on the earliest sources".

And if you do not wish to do even that, take a look at a few websites - https://www.islamreligion.com/ https://www.islamicity.org/covers/whatisislam/
If you have any other questions, don't hesitate to ask me.

Im unfamiliar with any Islamic claim that God changes. There is none beyond or higher than God almighty. When we pray to Allah, we are literally praying to the God of Abraham. not figuratively or theoretically. Literally.
I dont know if Jesus committed sins or not, but i do know that he had failings. These were part of his tests... tests whch he passed for the good of humanity by the grace of God almighty.

@TemptestOfTempo

I strongly advise that you look into what I'm saying. Allah isn't the God of Abraham for the God of Abraham is unchanging and infinite. Even with Abraham almost sacrificing Isaac, it was a sign of God's plan. As I've shown you, Allah changed, he wasn't consistent, he required blood for the remission of sins and changed then simply required you to confess and follow Mohammed.

Also, Mohammed had no witnesses to his claims of what Allah showed him. And a true God always provides witnesses for such claims. Jesus Christ had witnesses to which you have the New Testament for that to which the Bible details. Jesus Christ had no sin, he wasn't just a man, he was God. And Jesus Christ wasn't a sinner nor did he ever sin despite being tested by the devil in all measures.

That is our master, the one which we are to follow that's why we Christians know we can overcome ANYTHING as long as we follow Jesus Christ for he was tempted way more then you and I ever will yet he was sinless.Jesus Christ even rose from the dead yet Mohammed sinned and he died.

And also, the Quran was written 600 years after the Torah while the Torah is literally the Bible. It was written about 600 AC. Thus it can't be trusted. Go back to the original word. And I know it may difficult for you now but you must test the spirit. If Allah is mighty and sent Mohammed then search through it by comparing him to the original Torah.

I pray you'll find the way for the enemy is deviant. You should checkout my William Branham thread for more information too. There was this guy called David Lynn on YouTube and he had some interesting arguments with Muslims. Im a message believer thus me and him differ alot yet do look his videos up.

@pescaterian09

The Quran was written 600 AD so why would I have any business from a book written after 1 AD . After the Bible I read?

The religion of the earliest followers of Jesus (peace be upon him) was radically disprate from the religion that you follow today. The religion you follow today was crafted across several centuries by the Church and several ecumenical councils. To understand the earliest forms of Christianity you can read books like John N D Kelly's 'Early Christian Doctrines' and Bart D Ehrman's 'Lost Christianities'.

Bart Ehrman writes in Lost Christianities -
"The four gospels that eventually made it into the New Testament, for example, are all anonymous, written in the third person about Jesus and his companions. None of them contains a first-person narrative ("One day, when Jesus and I went into Capernaum..."),

or claims to be written by an eyewitness or companion of an eyewitness. Why then do we call them Matthew, Mark, Luke and John? Because sometime in the second century, when proto-orthodox Christians recognized the need for apostolic authorites, they attributed these books to apostles (Matthew and John)

and close companions of apostles (Mark, the secretary of Peter; and Luke, the travelling companion of Paul). Most scholars today have abandoned these identifications, and recognize that the books were written by otherwise unknown but relatively well-educated Greek-speaking (and writing) Christians during the second half of the first century."

@pescatarian09 - just an observation - much of the Islamic critique of the Bible is an echo of the message promoted by liberals and revisionists like Bart Ehrman and older German higher critics. For an alternative view...

@Red Sky at Morning
It doesn't matter who they are if they are speaking the truth.

The truth cannot be trumped by the weight of your faith and emotion. For any claim you bring, you must provide empirical evidence. This is what the likes of Bart Ehrman and Bruce Metzger have done. They are authorities in textual criticism. Their claims are objectively verifiable. They are but a few of the many historians who have studied early Christianity and the provenance of the NT.

If the truth is dearer to you above all other things, you will not fear to make an honest study of their Ehrman and Metzger. It is only to your detriment to continue consuming information that affirms your present belief.