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You say you don't believe in God, but implicit in your statement is the conviction that there is someone who has the ability, and the right, to establish order on Earth. Who is that, if not God?

I believe in God, but not as a physical person. I believe God is positive energy.

The illuminati's are not Gods. They're just ordinary people with access to occult knowledge.

Why do you want order?
Order is the jackbooted heel of the establishment on your back.

Order prevents you starving and dying. It gives you a livelihood, food, and a roof over your head. Society depends on order for its continued existence. Without the establishment of order, and the maintenance of the social contract, we would be like animals. Though unpredictability, too, has a necessary place in society - not all things can be measured, labeled, regulated.

Order is what the illuminati want.
Order out of chaos.

What I was trying to explain, that Illuminati's wanted to make us believe that Caos will bring order on the earth. But this is a lie. They just generate caos to take control, power and money. None criminal can bring order and peace on the earth. I don't want the "order" of the Illuminati. They're satanits.

@servant you seems to be with the illuninatis, good luck with that. I don't want nothing from those psychopaths. They only make brainwash to people. There is no order. Not now. Not after they finish their work. Never. This order doesn't exist. Criminals can't bring order and justice. Because they're criminals. It's simply.

I think we are referring to two different concepts of order here. When I say order, I mean societal order. Having a home, a job, food, being able to feed your children. The actions that allow societies to continue working, and that allow the preservation of human life and dignity.

When you say order, I believe you are referring to the pre-conceived tyrannical 'order' that the elite establish for their own nefarious ends, after having orchestrated chaos and destruction. Of course, the two things are different. A well-ordered society that benefits its people is just, but the rigidly-ordered tyranny the elite wish to establish is unjust.