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Haich
Haich
Some parents are blessed with delinquent little brats. I've seen decent parents who just can't control their ASBO kids.
Damien50
Damien50
Something's gotta give though. It's detrimental to the learning environment of others when a few bad apples try to spoil the bunch. No one should have to have their child suffer because of another parents child lol. Though I'm of the opinion that any child can be parented unless they are mentally ill.
J
justjess
Least restrictive environment means mentally ill kids are in mainstream classrooms. A large percrnt of those disruptive kids are mentally ill
Haich
Haich
I agree with Jess, from my experience the disruptive kids tend to have issues at home, or are suffering from various mental ailments. Many are also undiagnosed and tend to be diagnosed when they're older. So yh, some kids are quite disruptive but there's almost always an underlying medical reason...

To penalise parents just creates a system of ostracism which in the long run, just escalates the issue of disruption
Damien50
Damien50
So most bad behavior, bullying, etc are typically going to be due to mental illness?
Haich
Haich
No one said bullying, but yes most bad behaviour is a signal that something else is amiss. This is just from experience as a sixth form teacher, every student I've flagged up in the past 4 years has almost always had something up with them.
Damien50
Damien50
No I was just asking lol. So the preferable alternative to this tax be a recommendation that the child receive help whether mental or medical? As a teacher, what do your see that could force a positive outcome that will get parents involved?
Haich
Haich
The tax wouldn't solve the underlying issues of why these kids are misbehaving. By penalising their bad behaviour with a fine, it just burdens the caregivers or parents which might already be in economic hardship.

Well medical help as in pills? Not necessarily unless the condition is quite severe, I'm against medication. We have a special department in the sixth form which takes misbehaving kids out of some
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Haich
Haich
...mainstream classes and allows them to work in smaller more focused groups with a specialised teacher. Not everyone is trained to deal with certain triggers and behaviours, so I think a specialist presence in education establishments would aid the issue; therefore the other students don't have such a disturbance in their classes.This is expensive though, and the conservatie government have slashed education funding
J
justjess
Bullying could be a couple things, sometimes mental illness sometimes not. Depends.
J
justjess
Fining parents wont do anything helpful.. and u cant force mental health treatment and sometimes when u do it backfires badly. One to one aids can help, smaller classrooms like said.. but tbh when u try to force kids into drones u need to accept some level pf pushback.
Haich
Haich
What's the average class size in the US?
Damien50
Damien50
Ah I see. This is insightful lol. Average for my school was 25:1. I switched to a private school my last year and it was 10:1 which was amazing.

Thanks both of you as my comment was narrow in scope
L
Lurker
We should fine parents for sending their children to public indoctrination centers. :)
Haich
Haich
depends on the school, not all are public indoctrination centres. I think the British education system has its issues but the teachers on the whole, are incredibly dedicated and do a great job.
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J
justjess
Depends.. the class im sitting in right now is 28, ive never had one smaller then 22 unless special education
Damien50
Damien50
I'm honestly for home school or private school but birth of these require more income than public but reaching a point like the Ukrainians or Japanese isn't impossible.