Bible verses contrasted with false teacher/s' doctrines

JoChris said:

That is a good introduction for anyone comfortable revealing which personal tendency led them into making a god of their own making.
I had a major metanoia where it came to psychology.

Insecure and self-doubting? Try the god who makes you understand and accept your true self.

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I’m not coming at the question as one who has been perfect either - I fell to a small degree for heresy number 1 (word of faith/prosperity) and was quite drawn to number 2 (NAR) for a while!! I didn’t make the reasons for being drawn to these heresies up, I really was that way when I was drawn to them.

Hebrews chapter 8 clearly shows that God will still form a new Covenant with the nation Israel.
Incredibly there are many cults who try to claim they are the new Israel. British Israelism is one of them.
Jahtruth has created his own version, claiming that the English throne really belongs to him.

JoChris said:

Hebrews chapter 8 clearly shows that God will still form a new Covenant with the nation Israel.
Incredibly there are many cults who try to claim they are the new Israel. British Israelism is one of them.
Jahtruth has created his own version, claiming that the English throne really belongs to him.

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I think that a good many people get Israel and the Church wrong and that leads to bad theology. I’m just listening to an overview on Eschatology by Chuck Missler which sets things out very clearly…

Red Sky at Morning said:

I think that a good many people get Israel and the Church wrong and that leads to bad theology. I’m just listening to an overview on Eschatology by Chuck Missler which sets things out very clearly…

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Eschatology is an interesting area and opposing viewpoints can often make a convincing case for their position.
When brand new theories are inserted from out of nowhere- that is a major warning sign. If it is original, it is not biblical.
Israel is God's chosen people, whether us Gentiles like that or not. United States is not mentioned in the Book of Revelation. Neither is United Kingdom, Gibraltar or Australia.

JoChris said:

Hebrews chapter 8 clearly shows that God will still form a new Covenant with the nation Israel.

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Hebrews 8 is quoting Jeremiah 31:31-34. The new covenant spoken of is already in place as prophesised by Jeremiah.

The whole chestnut of 'a new covenant' sometime in the future is simply a lie invented by 'Christian' zionism

JoChris said:

Was Jesus giving a Muhammad Jihab version of Christianity? How it that possible since the alleged prophet was thought to have been born at the earliest end of 6th century AD?

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Was the apostle PETER teaching a Muhammad Jihab version of Christianity?!
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Was John preaching a Muhammad Jihab version of Christianity?

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I think you misunderstood my point. Or I expressed it poorly. Peterson is popular among Christians and Muslims alike. Hijab took it upon himself to try and "revert" Jordan as Islam's representative, something which became quickly obvious in their "talk":


Be prudent when assessing Jordan's words, since he has the same prudence when addressing theological topics in the face of others with different beliefs. See Peterson's reaction to Hijab's criticism of the Trinity (around the 52:30 mark) as an example.

This assumption that Peterson should be converted because x, in Hijab's case, because he hasn't submitted to Allah, or in your case, because he's under the hold of "the God of Carl Jung" displays a sense of divine superiority. Who decides whether Carl Jung or GRS Mead are Christians or not? You? Is it because they've read and tried to grasp the mysteries of Pistis Sophia that they're suddenly disqualified as Christian? Or tried to understand the human psyche in relation to the Mind of God? I find this attitude towards people genuinely seeking higher understanding of what transcends us rather pretentious.

That being said, I don't disagree with this:

Red Sky at Morning said:

Re: Jordan Peterson, I don’t think the significance of the Atonement and of Justification by faith has hit him yet. When it does (and I do sometimes pray for him), I think it will transform him.

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The apostle Paul calls us to examine ourselves. He wrote:

Examine yourselves, to see whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Or do you not realize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you fail to meet the test! (2 Corinthians 13:5)


There are certain things a person must do to receive Christ and then specific doctrines they must hold to be regarded as Christian.

Do you believe with all your heart that Jesus is the son of God?

Do you believe that Jesus died for your sins?

Do you believe that Jesus was crucified and rose again from the dead on the third day and now sits at the right hand of God?

Do you believe he is your only hope and the only way to heaven?

Do you acknowledge that he is your only merit before God and that he is the only justification you have to enter into the kingdom of heaven? Do you recognize that your own self perceived goodness and good deeds can not and do not save you or justify you before God?

Have you asked God to forgive you? Have you truly surrendered and given your life to Christ and asked him to save you and adopt you into his kingdom?

God commands all men everywhere to repent, to repent is to acknowledge your sin and guilt before God, to renounce and come out of the world and be separate, to turn to God with your whole heart. The Bible says that friendship with the world is enmity with God and whoever is a friend of the world is an enemy of God. The Bible says to “ come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you. And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty. (2 Corinthians 6:17-18)

An example of repentance prayer

"God I acknowledge that I am a sinner and in need of your divine mercy and pardon. I also acknowledge that being a good person is not enough and that I can not and will not ever be justified before you by my own righteous acts.
My only merit before you is through Christ and what he did at the cross when he died for my sin. I have failed to keep your laws and commandments and am asking for you to forgive my sin. Jesus I believe you are the son of God and that you died for my sin, that you were crucified and rose again on the third day and now sit at the right hand of God. I also believe you are my only hope and the only way to heaven just as your word says. I repent and surrender my life over to you lord. Jesus I am calling on you to please save me and adopt me into your kingdom."

A person must have the testimony of Christ within themselves.

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Hebrews chapter 8 clearly shows that God will still form a new Covenant with the nation Israel.
Incredibly there are many cults who try to claim they are the new Israel. British Israelism is one of them.
Jahtruth has created his own version, claiming that the English throne really belongs to him.

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When the ego is caught in a lie, i.e. trying to defend an untenable position that is without merit or evidence, they often resort to logical fallacies, to divert attention away from their own shortcomings and failures.

One of the most common is an ad hominem attack, which is a baseless, personal attack levied against another. The reason it is illogical (a logical fallacy) is because it tries to focus attention on the messenger, rather than on the message being delivered.

Every single Prophet God sent, up to and including His Eldest/Firstborn Son, has been on the receiving end of these irrational (insane) attacks. In fact, it was precisely this type of irrational attack by the religious experts and scholars 2000 years ago, that sent Jesus to the cross. And they considered themselves to be "God's chosen people" and yet couldn't recognize the Messiah/Christ, even when He was standing in front of them, teaching and correcting their obviously errant ways.

Anyone who reads and actually believes the Bible, should immediately recognize that the ONLY 144,000 from the tribes of Israel, which are specifically named in Revelation 7:4-9, will be among those redeemed from the Earth. Why? Because they are WITH Christ (Rev. 14:1-4) rather than working against Christ (Matt. 12:30), as ALL organized religions and their adherent do, choosing to follow their religious rites, rituals and superstitions instead of keeping the Commandments God gave us.

Please note well the Bible NEVER names "Christians" as being among the redeemed. Instead we are warned we MUST come out of the Babylonian churches (which are destroying people's minds) and Babylonian throw-it-away market system (which is destroying the Earth) to avoid receiving the plagues that await her (Rev. 18:4).

For those who are interested in evidence rather than in baseless and irrational accusations, please visit the links below:-

https://gibraltar-messenger.net/jahtruth/the-scriptural-marks-of-christ/
(which Includes two dozen Biblical prophecies concerning Christ's Second Coming)

and

https://gibraltar-messenger.net/jahtruth/the-scriptural-marks-of-true-israel/
(which includes 95 prophesies and signs describing the true people Israel during the latter days)

Peace be upon all of you as you seek the truth.

Irrefutable Scriptural Evidence about the Davidic Throne of Israel which, exactly as God has promised, MUST still exist today somewhere here on Earth...

1. God's Promise to David About the Davidic Throne of Israel:-

A PROMISE was made by our Creator to king David, that he would never lack a man to sit on the throne of Israel, until Shiloh/Christ’s Second-Coming (Gen. 49:10, 22-24).

Jeremiah 33:17 For thus saith the "I AM"; David shall never want (lack) a man to sit upon the throne of the House of Israel;

Psalm 89:3-4
89:3 I have made a Covenant with My chosen, I have sworn unto David My servant,
89:4 Thy seed will I establish for ever, and build up thy throne to ALL generations. The rock.

Psalm 89:34-36
89:34 My Covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips.
89:35 Once have I sworn by My holiness that I will not lie unto David.
89:36 His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as "the sun" before me.

This single prophecy leaves no doubt that there has NEVER been a time since the reign of king David when there wasn't one of his descendants to SIT on the Throne of David. This also automatically reduces the possibilities for the people Israel to a single monarchy.

2. Israel SHALL become “a nation AND a company of nations”.

The following prophecy describes the true people Israel during the latter days:

Genesis 35:10-11
35:10 And God said unto him, Thy name [is] Jacob (the Supplanter): thy name shall not be called any more Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name: and He called his name Israel (champion of God).
35:11 And God said unto him, I [am] God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation AND a company of nations SHALL be of theeB, and kings SHALL come out of thy loins;

Note: There is no other monarchy on Earth that currently rules over "a nation and a company of nations" other than the British monarchy. It can therefore be said with absolute certainty that the British Throne IS the Davidic Throne of Israel.

The remaining Scriptural “birth-marks” of Israel can therefore be taken at face value to apply only to the British, since it is already an established and irrefutable fact that the British are the TRUE people Israel and that the British Throne is the Davidic Throne of Israel.

Please see the linked article below for 93 additional Scriptural birth marks describing the true people Israel:-

https://gibraltar-messenger.net/jahtruth/the-scriptural-marks-of-true-israel/

It should be self-evident that anyone falsely claiming the above information isn't true is calling God a liar, which is not only extremely foolish, but totally satanic.

Artful Revealer said:

I think you misunderstood my point. Or I expressed it poorly. Peterson is popular among Christians and Muslims alike. Hijab took it upon himself to try and "revert" Jordan as Islam's representative, something which became quickly obvious in their "talk":

Be prudent when assessing Jordan's words, since he has the same prudence when addressing theological topics in the face of others with different beliefs. See Peterson's reaction to Hijab's criticism of the Trinity (around the 52:30 mark) as an example.

This assumption that Peterson should be converted because x, in Hijab's case, because he hasn't submitted to Allah, or in your case, because he's under the hold of "the God of Carl Jung" displays a sense of divine superiority. Who decides whether Carl Jung or GRS Mead are Christians or not? You? Is it because they've read and tried to grasp the mysteries of Pistis Sophia that they're suddenly disqualified as Christian? Or tried to understand the human psyche in relation to the Mind of God? I find this attitude towards people genuinely seeking higher understanding of what transcends us rather pretentious.

That being said, I don't disagree with this:

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Today's Christians are way too trusting, undiscerning and unfamiliar with the bible to recognise when clever men like Jordan Peterson are not walking on the narrow path [of following Jesus according to the bible].

He sees the bible through the eyes of Carl Jung, a man who rejected Christianity.

Jung acquired a spirit guide and guru named “Philemon” [who was described by Jung as “an old man with the horns of a bull ... and the wings of a fisher’]. Before being Philemon, this creature appeared to Jung as “Elijah,” and then finally mutated to “Ka”, an Egyptian earth-soul that “came from below” (Satinover, The Empty Self, p. 37). (The spirit guide Philemon/Elijah later mutated into Salome, who addressed Jung in a self-directed trance vision as Christ. Jung “saw” himself assume the posture of a victim of crucifixion, with a snake coiled around him, and his face transformed into that of a lion from the Mithraic mystery religion.


Where it comes to Peterson seeking to find common ground between Islam and Christianity:



Truth inevitably divides people. A person who tries to walk both sides of the barbed fence of directly opposing religions will suffer great injury quickly.



Peterson was quickly criticised by both Christians and Muslims committed to their faith. He only impressed the outsiders to both religions. He did not look at all good to Christian viewers who are familiar with core doctrines of Islam.

I know this is a long video, but Hatun Tash is both an ex-Muslim and a Christian evangelist. Tony Costa is heavily involved in Christian apologetics. They go into great detail about how what appears to be a good message from Peterson is in fact an extremely bad one.
Video commentary starts at the 10 minute.

P.S. I also wish to see Jordan Peterson saved. He has to reject the worldview of Carl Jung and believe what the bible says about Jesus and salvation first.

The sad thing about many false teachers is that they either were originally brought up in Christian churches or claimed to be saved. Inevitably they showed their true colours and left their original church to go solo or created their own cult who followed the [usually] man, not Christ.

When I was a teenager I was badly influenced by the following old preacher after being given tracts from family friends. I found it hard to believe the Gospel of grace, no effort on my part for salvation as a result.

The 19th ex-Presbyterian American minister Charles Finney was an interesting but controversial man. The article claims he rejected the church after experiencing a "baptism of the Holy Spirit" and started doing revival meetings that were extremely focused on experience and personal decisions for Jesus, a model copied by many evangelists still today. Seeker Sensitive churches and New Apostolic Reformation use Finney's methods of influencing the crowds.

His rejection of Reformed Theology resulted in the other extreme, a form of the Pelagianism heresy.

Finney’s one question for any given teaching was, "Is it fit to convert sinners with?" One result of Finney’s revivalism was the division of Presbyterians in Philadelphia and New York into Arminian and Calvinistic factions. His "New Measures" included the "anxious bench" (precursor to today’s altar call), emotional tactics that led to fainting and weeping, and other "excitements," as Finney and his followers called them.

Some of the very obvious errors
* Christ could not have died for anyone else’s sins than his own. Translation: Jesus did NOT die for your sins, you are responsible for them even if you believe in Jesus.
* The purpose of Jesus' death was to reassert God’s moral government and to lead us to eternal life by example. Translation: Jesus died for legal reasons and as a moral example to us only, Jesus was not a sacrifice for our sins.
*Full present obedience is necessary for salvation. Translation: Bad news for you sinners who have not confessed your sins in time - You will go to Hell!
*human beings do NOT possess a sinful nature . Translation: when you sin, you are doing it due free will only, not the sin of Adam [original sin]
* "A revival is not a miracle, nor dependent on a miracle, in any sense. Translation: if people are saved during a Revival, it means the revival meeting's been a success, not a miracle of the Holy Spirit.

So who should Christians believe: religious legalists like Finney, his descendants or similar sounding false teachers who demand we follow God's Law [according to the teachers] - or the bible?



Those who believe in Jesus will say it has all been done for us.

The thing about cults/sects, which is what ALL organized religions are, is that they mistakenly believe that their path of man-made up rules (cultural beliefs) are what they will be judged by on Judgement Day.

Matthew 15:3- 6
15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the COMMANDment of God by your Tradition?
15:4 For God Commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
15:5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to [his] father or [his] mother, [It is] a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
15:6 And honour not his father or his mother, [he shall be free]. Thus have ye made the Commandment of God of none effect by your Tradition (Talmud, Catechism, Book of Mormon, Hadith, etc.).

ALL "Christians" say their cult is the best, whatever denomination/sect it may be, just as the "Jews", "Muslims", Hindu, Buddhist, etc. do. Chief among the LIES that the false christs/false teachers of Christianity teach is that "just believe in Jesus 'cause he died to give us the freedom to sin with impunity".

That is NOT what The Word says. It plainly states that Jesus died for our PAST sins, to give us a new opportunity to return to and keep The Law/Commandments that God gave us.

Romans 3:25 Whom God hath fore-ordained [to be] an atonement through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins THAT ARE PAST, through the forbearance of God;

Anyone who isn't striving for perfection through the keeping God's Law/Commandments on Judgement Day will have proved with their actions that they HATE Christ, and will find themselves in The Fire, regardless of their religious or political affiliations. We will all be judged by our ACTIONS, which tell exactly what is in someone's heart and mind.

Matthew 16:24-28
16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any [man] will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
16:25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.
16:26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
16:27 For the Son of Man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his WORKS.
16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste death (of the "Self"), till they see the Son of Man coming in his Kingdom.

Hebrews 8:10-11 (see also Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Hebrews 10:16-17)
8:10 For this [is] The Covenant that I will make with the House of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put My Laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to Me a people:
8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know Me, from the least to the greatest.

If you aren't presently doing your utmost to keep God's Law/Commandments, found in the first five books of the Bible, namely Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy, then you either haven't read nor understood Christ's Message or you are intentionally disobeying it to continue to cling to your cultural traditions.

Why?

People can make up whatever satanic memes they want, and plaster Jesus name on them, which is satanically bearing false witness against Jesus. Everyone who does such things will be held accountable for their actions on Judgement Day, when Christ separates His Sheep from the goats.

This is what Jesus actually COMMANDED us to DO:

Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven IS perfect.

Matthew 5:17-19
5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy The Law, or the Prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill [fully preach The Law (The Torah) and fulfill the prophecies about the first coming of the Messiah].
5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no way pass from The Law, till ALL be fulfilled.
5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least COMMANDments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in The Kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in The Kingdom of heaven.

Heaven and Earth have obviously not passed away, so The Law is still in effect today, and will be forever. Loving Father (God) and our neighbour as much or more than ourselves is obviously something that everyone should be doing throughout eternity. And if you follow these two basic Commandments, you cannot break any of the rest of God's Law, which was given to us to protect us from evil and to set and keep us free (from sin and the injustice and oppression that results from sin).

Anyone who teaches others that it's okay to continue sinning/breaking The Law/being a criminal, is the lowest of the low in God's Eyes and obviously doesn't believe Jesus or they would be doing as Jesus COMMANDED.

John 14:21-24
14:21 He that hath my COMMANDments, and KEEPETH them, HE it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
14:22 Jude saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will obey my words: and my Father will love him, and We will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
14:24 He that loveth me not obeyeth not my sayings: and the Truth which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

Learn THE TRUTH; only the truth can set you free.

Praise God that through faith in Jesus, the true God forgives ALL the sins of Christians, past,present and future!



Present tense. Not past tense. No fine print.



Present tense. No conditions.



Present tense. Not past tense. No clauses or expiry dates.

What freedom it is for Christians to have a Father who loves His children, who inevitably fail and backslide because we are sinners until we are called home to Heaven.



What bondage it must to be, to fear a slavemaster who only accepts those who NEVER EVER SIN AGAIN ONCE in their life time.

There is a myth in Christianity that our All-Knowing God gave us Commandments in His Law that we allegedly can't keep, even though Christ taught we can and MUST keep The Law/Commandments of God.

Similarly, there is a myth in Christianity that everyone must be sinless their entire life, as if God doesn't allow us a learning curve and see the genuine striving for perfection to draw closer to Him, even though Christ told us the only way for us to draw closer to God is through discipline (the hallmark of a true disciple) and obedience to God.

In both cases those who adhere to such myths must mistakenly believe that God is an idiot and/or unreasonable, which should illustrate how ridiculous and inverted that belief system truly is.

God provides each of us the opportunity in each lifetime to come o known Him through discipline and obedience. Sadly yet something else completely missed out on by those who follow the traditions of men (organized religions) instead of believing Christ and following His Example.

Here is what Jesus actually said about being bondage (i.e. being a prisoner):

King of kings' Bible - John 8:25 (John 8:34 KJV)

John 8:25 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the prisoner of sin.

What does "Christianity" say? That those who strive to be free of sin are somehow in bondage.

Always the opposite of what Christ actually teaches.

Acts 5:29-32
5:29 Then Peter and the [other] Apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
5:31 Him hath God exalted with His right hand [to be] a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
5:32 And we are His witnesses of these things; and [so is] also the Holy Spirit, whom God hath given to them that obey Him.

Through being born again through faith in JESUS CHRIST, we are miraculously freed from being prisoners to sin. Through the power of the Holy Spirit we are able to love our neighbour as ourselves, unlike before when we were unsaved.

Some false teachers insist that to be saved a person must FIRST follow all of God's commandments to the letter - i.e. as the false teacher says God's commandment/s should be followed.

A follower is told that if they do everything the false teacher says because that teacher claims to hear directly from God, only then will they be saved. That is obedience from fear, not obedience out of love.

e.g. This is the outcome of mindless obedience to a self-proclaimed teacher of God.

https://freedomofmind.com/a-word-of-life-christian-church-tragedy/

But what is the Word of God? It is scripture.



False teachers often claims their words are from God. Some even write their own books that they claim are direct communications from God.
More subtle preachers sometimes encourage their followers to listen to the inner voice AS WELL as read the bible. Charismatics often teach this is a normal part of life.
Beware of any teacher who claims YOU can directly communicate with God 24/7.
What Christians call Journaling can be constructive IF active thinking is used only while doing bible studies. Journaling while letting the mind go passive is extremely dangerous.

I cannot remember why I started doing this, but I actually did this for a while in my late teens. It became as if Jesus was talking to me directly. Because of these "communications" I stayed in a destructive relationship because he was going to be my husband anyway.....

At the very best human thoughts will be paraphrased bible verses only. Inevitably sinful people will insert their own thoughts along the way and mistake them as God's voice.
Do a Google search for "automatic writing": after Wikipedia results are ANY of them from Christian websites? No they are not. If you recognise the phrases used, they are all from New Age/ pagan sounding websites.

Incredibly the founder of Alcoholics Anonymous used this method to develop his writings. https://bereanresearch.org/the-occult-practice-of-automatic-writing-and-a-a-s-twelve-steps/

P.S. It is still encouraged today! Here is an entry from an AA supporter. https://www.aacle.org/taking-stock-honestly/
He mentions the "God calling book" in introduction. What a surprise... not...

JoChris said:

More subtle preachers sometimes encourage their followers to listen to the inner voice AS WELL as read the bible. Charismatics often teach this is a normal part of life.
Beware of any teacher who claims YOU can directly communicate with God 24/7.

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Reminds me of “Jesus Calling”

No flesh can be justified by the deeds of the law. If you commit just one sin you are guilty of breaking all of it. This is why you can only ever be a transgressor when measured by the law. One sin and you become guilty. Look at Adam and Eve. One sin led to the fall of the human race and resulted in a curse. Imagine if every evening you got a report card stating whether or not you kept God's law for the day. Can you imagine getting an F everyday? One sin is enough to flunk a person.