Flat Earth Info

polymoog said:

i agree-- although the government lies about everything, it is not a reason to jump on board the flat earth theory, nor is the UN flag proof of a FE. however, redqueen has posted several videos explaining why the earth might not be a globe. no one is taking up the FE argument on this thread so her videos are the best starting point for the defense.

the one experiment where a laser beam is shot from miles away on to a target with no discernable change in height/elevation (it should be 8" per mile squared) gives me pause.
i also have not been given a proper explanation why planes do not need to compensate for the curvature of the earth. that is to say, why airplanes do not need to continually turn down the nose of the plane to compensate for the curvature.
military personnel have said that they have never needed to compensate for the earths curvature for any long range projectiles.
[in a long forgotten podcast, sophia smallstorm pointed out an unexplained discrepancy with the number of hours of daylight past the winter solstice. i think in a later interview (with sage of quay or david weiss) this discrepancy is solved with the flat earth theory (she claims to lean toward the FE theory, last time i listened/watched one of her videos, and she is absolutely not one to jump into something without digging through research).]

with that said, water tends to stick to itself via hydrogen bonds, and physics shows that it will want to form a sphere, like it does in a drop of water as it is suspended in water. spherical- shaped planets should make sense, so this could only mean that *if* the flat earth theory is correct, we must be living on a flat/somewhat concave disk of a surface, with a depth of at least 7.5 miles of earth/rock.
whether this surface of ours is artificially created or not is simply speculation.

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I'm going to have to give this topic a deep dive. There seems to be be lots of compelling evidence for and against the FE theory. This could be ongoing.

polymoog said:

i also have not been given a proper explanation why planes do not need to compensate for the curvature of the earth. that is to say, why airplanes do not need to continually turn down the nose of the plane to compensate for the curvature.

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This does not make sense, though. An object going around the earth simply needs to maintain the same/similar height [altitude] above the earth to circumnavigate. If the object is a plane and turns it's nose down towards the earth, it will get continually closer to the earth and eventually land [or crash]. Planes maintain a level altitude in relationship to the ground, hence no compensation needed.

One of many problems: Flat earthers point to images and videos of the earth and claim it's all photoshop/CGI, but what everyone seems to forget is that evidence of a flat earth can also be photoshop/CGI. Their 'proof' can be someone elses' denial. Claiming everything is fake can work both ways.

There are many private and independent space companies doing space exploration, launching satellites, etc. There is no way all private companies are co-ordinating and replacing live footage with CGI during their launches and space flights. There is also no way all private companies are either -
A: Fooling their thousands of employees [engineers, scientists, technicians] or
B: Getting their thousands of employees [engineers, scientists, technicians] to agree to a lie. Unfortunately, to support flat earth theory, there are many convoluted hoops one has to jump through to make it 'true'.

Post #82: Yes, they all look different, which is exactly what I would expect given time, different cameras, technology advances, conditions, changes in resolution, filters used, retouching, etc. This is not shocking or surprising in the least. Photos are often retouched and enhanced to look the best they can for a specific purpose. That doesn't mean the original subject matter doesn't exist.

Anyway, my friend, I bid you a very blessed evening!

Lurking009 said:

The gist of a few arguments here seems to be: "Government and global entities lie and deceive, therefore the earth is flat.". That's really more of a simplistic reaction, and not a convincing argument. Just saying.

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... it warrants investigation-- not the adoption of another blind belief.

I agree... it's no different than believing its round just because government & global entities said it was so.

That's my perspective, anyway.

And it is perfectly reasonable to question them; especially when we are unable to verify the information they have provided, to the same measure.
...


Hindu concept!

To all those genuinely interested in the truth:-

I hope this finds you well, in good spirit and having a good day.

With literally hundreds of red flag issues associated with the “flat Earth” (FE), one would think that any reasonably-minded human+Being should be able to avoid being sucked into the FE psychosis.

In the hope of helping those who may be struggling with this particular issue (apparently there are some beyond help), please consider the following PHYSICAL evidence that the Earth cannot possibly be flat (i.e. a flat planar surface).

First, and foremost, the largest light in the sky, known here on PLANET Earth as the sun, completely, and by itself, destroys any preposterous notion that the Earth could be flat or that the Earth is not rotating.

The sun unquestionably brings with it every day its light AND its HEAT. Without these two critically important gifts, life on Earth would not be possible. And it is not possible to have the one without the other. The sun radiates both light and heat simultaneously.

Night turns into day as the sun “rises”. Day turns into night as the sun “sets”. Everyone can see the light because the difference is so profound it is like...nay it is...night and day. And everyone can observe that when the sun sets it is NO LONGER VISIBLE, and stays that way until it rises again the next day.

FE falsely claims that the sun supposedly never sets, and that it is somehow visible at night, even though no one has EVER observed the sun at night. Yes, it is possible to see the light radiating from the sun over the horizon at dusk and dawn, just before or after the sun itself disappears or comes into view AT FULL SIZE/DIAMETER. The sun NEVER appreciably increases or decreases in size the entire time it is visible during the daylight hours, including when it sets and rises.

The HEAT that the sun brings is also profound and it can be measured.

It is estimated that the amount of the sun's energy that reaches the surface of the Earth is approximately 1kW/m2 (1000 watts of energy per square meter) or around 100W/ft2 (100 watts per square foot).

How can we be certain this isn't just some made up number (other than the fact that we can physically feel the energy of the sun when it is shining on us)?

Solar energy, for example, is harvested either by capturing light energy with photovoltaic cells (solar panels) or by capturing the thermal (HEAT) energy to heat water (solar thermal water heating panels) or directly heat a space. These are REAL systems that people use every day, in different parts of the world, to gather the sun's energy. And both solar panels and solar-thermal water heating panels have a specific surface area and an efficiency rating. So they both can be used to prove the absolutely MASSIVE amount of energy that is being received here on the surface of the Earth from the sun.

To put this into perspective, the total electricity produced and used worldwide each year is now around 24,000 TWh. That's 24,000,000,000,000,000 watts-hours of energy. If all of the sunlight striking the surface of the state of Texas alone could be converted into electricity, it would amount over 250 TIMES the total electricity used worldwide.

Math:

Total worldwide electrical consumption: 24,000 TWh ÷ 365 days/year ÷ 24 h/day = 2.74 tW

Texas surface area = 696,241 km2 x 1000 W/m2 x 1,000,000 m2/km2 = 696,241,000,000,000 Watts, or 696.241 TW

696.241 TW / 2.74 TW = 254.1 times

And Texas represents only about 0.46% of the land surface of the Earth (1/218).

THAT is how much energy the sun is actually producing, and why it is physically IMPOSSIBLE for the sun to be tiny (32 miles in diameter???) or “close” (supposedly only 3000 miles or so away). It MUST be much, much further away to deliver the amount of UNIFORM energy that it does, which means the sun MUST also be much, much larger in diameter for its apparent size to be as it is seen here from the surface of the Earth.

The difficulty for FE is that the further the sun is away from the Earth, the more ridiculous their ideas become, because of the incredible speed the sun would be required to attain. Even at only 3000 miles up the sun would be required to move at over 1000 mph and would NEVER set. The sun would always be visible on a flat Earth (i.e. it would never dip below its surface) and it would grow and diminish in size dramatically during the course of the day.

FE wants you to believe the speed at which the Earth travels around the sun in its VERY stable orbit is somehow crazy. But at the same time they are hoping you will either believe that the sun is this very tiny spotlight nearby (which is impossible/doesn't match observable and measurable reality) or that it is moving 365 times faster than the Earth. NONE of their numbers actually match what we actually see.

FE also cons people into believing that it's crazy to think the Earth rotates about its own axis every day at a rate of just under 0.0007 rpm, which would produce the appearance from the surface of the Earth of the sun rising and setting each day EXACTLY as we see it. But they believe that their impossible 32-mile diameter sun whizzing by at over 1000 mph, and the moon (also purportedly at 3000 miles away and the same diameter as the sun) whizzing by at almost 30 TIMES that rate, i.e. at almost 30,000 mph, is somehow believable.


Please.

How would a 32-mile in diameter, intensely bright light source like the sun, allegedly over 15 million feet off the ground (3000 miles) EVER disappear from view? The tallest mountains in the world could not obscure it.

In other words, FE cannot even explain how the sun rises and sets each day. Why would anyone trust ANYTHING that these people have to say?

FE is an intentional, government-sponsored disinformation campaign, launched at a time when the world is literally on the brink of WW3 and an imminent economic collapse. It is meant to distract everyone and ultimately to discredit all other “conspiracy theories” which, unlike FE, are based on factual information and REAL evidence. FE is actually designed TO KEEP YOU ASLEEP, and arguing about the shape of your prison, to rob you of what precious little time you have left to learn WHY you are in this prison-planet for the criminally-insane.

Proof that FE is a government-sponsored PSYOP:

For those in the U.S. and U.K. who may be under the delusion that American and British military forces are invincible, please be advised that there is a 100% certainty that the U.S. and U.K. WILL LOSE WW3.

https://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/01/13/us-and-uks-choices-on-war-strategies-and-the-ruler-of-the-universes-protection/

So your time would be much better spent learning what you need to learn to survive, not just WW3 but the Judgment Day, which will follow soon after.

Learn The Way home or you will, like most of the inhabitants of PLANET Earth, WILL FACE THE FIRE.

@Lurking009 and @A Freeman

I was right there with Y'all at one point but then Seen
with my own Eyes things that are to be impossible if
We go by tptb's science theories(which is most their sciences)

example
the sun/moon in the middle of clouds that's impossible
as they are both millions/billions of light years away in space,
before Ya say it,no it's not just an optical illusion they were both
within the clouds and Seen by me and mine,now specially since
We are awake We are always looking now if I happen to catch it
I will try to record/get a pic

the more research I do into this subject the more I find out
and the more questions I have which one can't Know an answer
without asking questions right

We have all been taught this globe theory from birth as
have Our parents/their parents etc...We are told Our World
is spinning at roughly 1000miles per hour along with that We
are also flying through space at 67000 miles per hour ok so with
Us spinning and flying through space at those speeds why does Our
night skies never change why are they constant,all constellations
that have/can been/be Seen since recorded/unrecorded time are the
same still to this day that's a strange one considering the facts We're
given one would expect some changes whether minor or major
with the way We are told Our World is


at one point the shadow going across Our World went horizontal such
as the picture taken from the moon


now however if Ya look at the images from the iss Ya will See
its vertical no matter where the iss is located


even if Ya back up off the image more,that wouldn't change the line of
dark/Light would just show the full image of that line

all images of earth are photoshopped as We have been told
because it has to be,but why does it have to be with the technology
available to Us today it really doesn't have to be cgi'ed/artist rendition
none of it just take a darn picture like they did from the moon

tptb lie to Us constantly whenever they feel like it for whatever reason
here's one example
aliens/ufos do not exist for over 80 years We heard that and tptb
ruined outright every person of the scientific profession that said
other wise,they lost all they had worked for,in some cases all their lives
achievements some got suicide,that's just the Peoples that worked in those
fields of Knowledge,now bring in everyday normies like Us who had
said anything about it and they got harassed by government agents,
lost respect from friends/family society to the point some took their own
lives too
let's jump ahead to 2019 when tptb decided to tell Us that We
we're right and tptb lied,aliens/ufos do exist and that means every
single person that were ruined or died were telling the Truth and tptb Knew that

they did this without so much as an apology to those who've been
ruined/died by tptb keeping this secret,not only did they tell Us yes
We are right and they do exist but that tptb have Known for decades(longer imho)
about the existence of ufos/aliens

now think how many so called conspiracy theories have
been found out to be Truths tptb just didn't want Us aware
of look at the last 2yrs as a gauge,it shows perfectly how they
go about it and want Us to trust their science

now back to the FE

all the evidence We are told to look at has been
provided by the same tptb which We all Know a 100% lie
now why would this be something to lie about I did post
the imo why !in here somewhere

with out the globe theory,space travel and such wouldn't
work if there weren't other balls out there for Us to go to
right and if We the 99% don't believe We're on a spinning
flying ball then project bluebeam wouldn't work out as well
for tptb and they need it too it's a major part of the plans
for bringing their World into reality

tptb need Us to believe that space is real,
that Us traveling/relocating somewhere else in space is real,
ufos/aliens are real and tptb have now admitted that they are,
all so they can anchor that belief of all the above in Us
so when they use the project blue(w/e project)We will put
Our belief in w/e they are doing which will help them to
manifest what they want in Our World

what they call aliens/ufos are actually evil snomed/evil
entities/creations w/e name Ya wanna put to them,it's all
the evil We have been warned against in Our guide/bible,
the evils with the eyes/teeth many here have Seen and Know
walk amongst Us,the things that We speak on here everyday

all so when they bring/do w/e,it will be brought in as
Our saviours that will bring Us Love/Unity and make Our
World a beautiful place for all or it will be what tptb want
and always show Us in their medias something evil that comes
to conquer/enslave Us all and make Our World a
unimaginable nightmare

I think it will depend on how many of Us are awake by then
if too many it will be conquering/enslavement if barely any opposition/awake it will be as a saviour/Love/Unity,We will
have to wait and See

it's extremely easy to dismiss someone's beliefs
We See/Hear that all the time here and other places
I would ask that anyone look past the messengers
specially those Ya may not like and Ask Our Light or
use Your own common sense to discern the Truth

I doubt tptb are gonna tell Us anytime
soon that the FEs were correct and We are not
on a ball as they haven't played all the cards yet in regards
to all the projects they have worked on/created to dupe the
masses all the monies the justify spending on the exploration etc...
it also keeps Us believing w/e tptb tell Us if they lie the way We
Know them to lie then the logical thought is they have lied about this too

We cannot just go do w/e as We have a lot of stipulations
when it comes to trying to do Our own research/experiments,
have to get permits,need monies and then on top of all that
there is no go zones well unless Ya have the cash or Know
the right Peoples then Ya can go and do things that would
provide those of Us wanting to Know the Truth some answers


I Know a lot here cannot wrap their heads around this one either
I would implore Y'all to consider that this could easily be another
lie tptb told Us for w/e their reasons money,control power
as they do get all of that from this lie and We Know they do
like to lie

also don't forget We do NOT have actual proofs besides NASA/tptb
telling Us and showing Us cartoons/artists rendered pictures to prove
what they say is Our World


@Lurking009
it should be that simple as holding position in a plane
but I'm almost positive I Seen a article/what's that said
they have to adjust every so often because of the curvature
of the earth(I will look when I have more time )

as for private/independent owned that means nothing
as they still need to go through tptb's system if they want
to do w/e and to stay being a company they will fall inline,
follow the rules as who wouldn't with that kinda monies
involved and all the achievements one can gain from the lies

they don't get their employees to lie outright they omit,
they make em sign a nda type contract that prohibits the
employee from talking about anything as it's a companies
secret or if tptb step in for w/e they like the it's a national
security risk excuse best as then they don't need explanation
to anyone

Do Ya actually believe elon sent a guy in a car up
there cause if Ya do I'm sorry to tell Ya that was all
faked,so yes even the private/independent would
absolutely cgi/photoshop,red/green/blue screen Us if it meant
they get the props/accolades of being the first blah blah blah
to do w/e in space and they get paid on top absolutely
they would lie through their teeth unfortunately most
Peoples involved are not doing it to help Us,take a Good
Look Ya will find many that have ties to others We discuss
here all the time they are already either born in/married in
or just apart of the club

again I will go back to the ufos/alien example
they kept that hush hush enough just by nda's,threats/
murder(imho)with how many employers/ees for how
long,tptb had them jumping through all them hoops
for DECADES

Y'all can't say it's impossible We Know it's not look at
how many things tptb have hidden/covered up from
the whole World too many to count


@A Freeman
the only reason Your thinking the sun has set if the field
of vision one has if Ya were to Look with binoculars/camera
Ya would See its only moving away from Ya across the sky not
actually disappearing over the curvature We are told is there

it doesn't rise/set each day it's just moving along
to the next area of Our World that is meant to be
under Light

there is enough proofs available to Know there is
something up with Our World whether ball/flat who
Knows We don't have the means to find out and even with
the monies if We don't Know the right Peoples and get
permits We still can't find out even with the right Peoples
and permits We are only allowed to test to a certain height
in certain places before it's back to the no go zones

such as the ice wall no one can go near but of course
if Your royals,bieber and anyone else in the club then
Ya can go check out whatever Ya want to eh it's the one
place in Our World that all countries/tptb decided ok
no one owns this and no ones allowed to go there makes
one wonder why when tptb fight over every other chunk
of dirt on this World and even space/ocean why not that
one place

both ball/flat all can be psyops as tptb Love whatever
they can use to cause divide in Us and they do whatever
they can to do so just like Our designed religions/labels/
genders/sexes w/e tptb make up as a way to have Us
fighting and killing over things that are fabricated just cause
that's what they like to See Us doing it keeps Us divided,
distracted and never ever looking at them as We should be

Anyhow I'm done for now,I Know I didn't provide many
proofs in this post as I've been busy and just writing here
and there but i do Hope i offered a few things for Y'all
to ask questions about and Hopefully look into it more
I will do a better write up of my thoughts on this subject
when I have the time and share it with Y'all if Yas want

redqueen said:

@Lurking009 and @A Freeman

I was right there with Y'all at one point but then Seen
with my own Eyes things that are to be impossible if
We go by tptb's science theories(which is most their sciences)

example
the sun/moon in the middle of clouds that's impossible
as they are both millions/billions of light years away in space,
before Ya say it,no it's not just an optical illusion they were both
within the clouds and Seen by me and mine,now specially since
We are awake We are always looking now if I happen to catch it
I will try to record/get a pic

the more research I do into this subject the more I find out
and the more questions I have which one can't Know an answer
without asking questions right

We have all been taught this globe theory from birth as
have Our parents/their parents etc...We are told Our World
is spinning at roughly 1000miles per hour along with that We
are also flying through space at 67000 miles per hour ok so with
Us spinning and flying through space at those speeds why does Our
night skies never change why are they constant,all constellations
that have/can been/be Seen since recorded/unrecorded time are the
same still to this day that's a strange one considering the facts We're
given one would expect some changes whether minor or major
with the way We are told Our World is


at one point the shadow going across Our World went horizontal such
as the picture taken from the moon
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now however if Ya look at the images from the iss Ya will See its vertical
no matter where the iss is located

even if Ya back up off the image more,that wouldn't change the line of
dark/Light would just show the full image of that line

all images of earth are photoshopped as We have been told
because it has to be,but why does it have to be with the technology
available to Us today it really doesn't have to be cgi'ed/artist rendition
none of it just take a darn picture like they did from the moon

tptb lie to Us constantly whenever they feel like it for whatever reason
here's one example
aliens/ufos do not exist for over 80 years We heard that and tptb
ruined outright every person of the scientific profession that said
other wise,they lost all they had worked for,in some cases all their lives
achievements some got suicide,that's just the Peoples that worked in those
fields of Knowledge,now bring in everyday normies like Us who had
said anything about it and they got harassed by government agents,
lost respect from friends/family society to the point some took their own
lives too
let's jump ahead to 2019 when tptb decided to tell Us that We
we're right and tptb lied,aliens/ufos do exist and that means every
single person that were ruined or died were telling the Truth and tptb Knew that

they did this without so much as an apology to those who've been
ruined/died by tptb keeping this secret,not only did they tell Us yes
We are right and they do exist but that tptb have Known for decades(longer imho)
about the existence of ufos/aliens

now think how many so called conspiracy theories have been found
out to be Truths tptb just didn't want Us aware of look at the last 2yrs
as a gauge it shows perfectly how they go about

now back to the FE
all the evidence We are told to look at has been provided by the
same tptb which We all Know a 100% lie
now why would this be something to lie about I did post this in
here somewhere
with out the globe theory,space travel and such wouldn't work
if there weren't other balls out there for Us to go to right and if We the
99% don't believe We're on a spinning flying ball then project bluebeam
wouldn't work out as well for tptb and they need it too it's a major part
of the plans for bringing their World into reality

tptb need Us to believe that space is real,
that Us traveling/relocating somewhere else in space is real,
ufos/aliens are real and tptb have now admitted that they are,
all so they can anchor that belief of all the above in Us so when
they use the project blue We will put Our belief in w/e they are
doing which will help them to manifest what they want in Our World

what they call aliens/ufos are actually evil snomed/evil entities/creations
w/e name Ya wanna put to them,it's all the evil We have been
warned against in Our guide/bible,the evils with the eyes/teeth many here
have Seen,the things that We speak on here everyday

all so when they bring/do w/e,it will be brought in as Our saviours that will
bring Us Love/Unity and make Our World a beautiful place for all or it will be
what tptb want and always show Us in their medias something evil that comes
to conquer/enslave Us all and make Our World a unimaginable nightmare

I think it will depend on how many of Us are awake by then if too many
it will be conquering/enslavement if barely any opposition/awake
it will be as a saviour/Love/Unity,We will have to wait and See



it's extremely easy to dismiss someone's beliefs
We See/Hear that all the time here

I doubt tptb are gonna tell Us anytime
soon that the FEs were correct and We are not
on a ball as they haven't played all the cards yet in regards
to all the projects they have worked on/created to dupe the
masses all the monies the justify spending on the exploration etc...
it also keeps Us believing w/e tptb tell Us if they lie the way We
Know them to lie then the logical thought is they have lied about this too

We cannot just go do w/e as We have a lot of stipulations when it comes
to trying to do Our own research/experiments,have to get permits,need
monies and then on top of all that there is no go zones well unless Ya
have the cash or Know the right Peoples then Ya can go and do things
that would provide those of Us wanting to Know the Truth some answers


I Know a lot here cannot wrap their heads around this one either
I would implore Y'all to consider that this could easily be another
lie tptb told Us for w/e their reasons money,control power
as they do get all of that from this lie and We Know they do
like to lie

also don't forget We do NOT have actual proofs besides NASA/tptb
telling Us and showing Us cartoons/artists rendered pictures to prove
what they say is Our World


@Lurking009
it should be that simple as holding position in a plane
but I'm almost positive I Seen a article/what's that said they have to
adjust every so often because of the curvature of the earth(I will look when I have more time )

as for private/independent owned that means nothing as they still need
to go through tptb's system if they want to do w/e and to stay being a
company they will fall inline,follow the rules as who wouldn't with that
kinda monies involved and all the achievements one can gain from the lies

they don't get their employees to lie outright they omit,they make em
sign a nda type contract that prohibits the employee from talking about
anything as it's a companies secret or if tptb step in for w/e they like the
it's a national security risk

Do Ya actually believe elon sent a guy in a car up there cause if Ya do
I'm sorry to tell Ya that was all faked,so yes even the private/independent
would absolutely cgi/photoshop,red/green/blue screen Us if it meant
they get the props/accolades of being the first blah blah blah to do w/e in space
and they get paid on top absolutely they would lie through their teeth
unfortunately most Peoples involved are not doing it to help Us
take a Good Look Ya will find many that have ties to others We discuss
here all the time they are already either born in/married in or just apart
KJ the club

again I will go back to the ufos/alien example
they kept that hush hush enough just by nda's,threats/murder(imho)
with how many employers/ees for how long,tptb had them jumping
through all them hoops for DECADES ,

Y'all can't say it's impossible We Know it's not look at how many things
tptb have hidden/covered up from the whole World too many to count


@A Freeman
the only reason Your thinking the sun has set if the field
of vision one has if Ya were to Look with binoculars/camera
Ya would See its only moving away from Ya across the sky not
actually disappearing over the curvature We are told is there

it doesn't rise/set each day it's just moving along to the next area
of Our World that is meant to be under Light

there is enough proofs available to Know there is
something up with Our World whether ball/flat who
Knows We don't have the means to find out and even with
the monies if We don't Know the right Peoples and get
permits We still can't find out even with the right Peoples
and permits We are only allowed to test to a certain height
in certain places before it's back to the no go zones

such as the ice wall no one can go near but of course
if Your royals,bieber and anyone else in the club then
Ya can go check out whatever Ya want to eh it's the one
place in Our World that all countries/tptb decided ok
no one owns this and no ones allowed to go there makes
one wonder why when tptb fight over every other chunk
of dirt on this World and even space/ocean why not that
one place

both ball/flat all can be psyops as tptb Love whatever
they can use to cause divide in Us and they do whatever
they can to do so just like Our designed religions/labels/
genders/sexes w/e tptb make up as a way to have Us
fighting and killing over things that are fabricated just cause
that's what they like to See Us doing it keeps Us divided,
distracted and never ever looking at them as We should be

Anyhow I'm done for now,I Know I didn't provide many
proofs in this post as I've been busy and just writing here
and there but i do Hope i offered a few things for Y'all
to ask questions about and Hopefully look into it more
I will do a better write up of my thoughts on this subject
when I have the time and share it with Y'all if Yas want

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Thank-you @redqueen.

There are many things that are meant to sound impressive to those who don't understand the difference (or cannot grasp the scale), but are intentionally misleading. One such claim made is that we are spinning at roughly 1000 mph, which is a reference to the calculated tangential velocity of an 8000 mile diameter sphere, which is totally irrelevant.

We are actually spinning at less than 0.0007 rpm which is an extremely slow and constant rate (no acceleration). At that rate, and with no acceleration, there is no reason why anyone would feel any movement.

It's understood that light from the sun refracts through the clouds in various ways which, while beautiful, is proof of nothing. If the sun ran around on an overhead track it would not only never depart from view (even at night), but it would constantly be changing in perceived/apparent size, seemingly growing larger as it approached and diminishing in apparent size as it moved further away. The sun simply doesn't behave that way, as it never appreciably changes size.

Most people spend their entire lives within a relatively small area, where driving a few hundred miles is considered a long trip. A few hundred miles on a globe that has roughly a 25, 000 mile circumference at its equator might seem flat due to its scale, but when one travels by boat across large expanses of water (thousands of miles), the curvature of the earth is unmistakable. Short distances can be estimated linearly, but longer distances require spherical trigonometry. That's why the flat earth map is hopelessly flawed, particularly in the Southern hemisphere.

Acknowledging that the earth is spherical in shape -- which our Creator made crystal clear in Scripture thousands of years ago, despite what some may claim -- in no way validates the pseudo-sciences, nor does it take anything away from recognizing that virtually everything on Earth isn't what it appears to be. And that includes all of these so-called "proofs" of a flat earth (or of an alleged ancient Hebrew model of a flat, domed earth, etc.), or any of the other shameless pieces of propaganda out there meant to hit and deceive people at a critical moment in the mass awakening. In fact, had FE not been foisted on the public back in 2014, it's possible, if not likely more would have seen the magic virus scam coming.

That was part of the reason for making the video exposing Eric Dubay, once the repeated use of well-documented mind-control tactics throughout his videos (many of which you've repeated here) was noticed. If these techniques are studied they can be easily recognized, and once recognized it should be self-evident they're being used to try to reprogram people's minds. One of the simplest methods that is frequently used is describing something using contradictory terms, going back and forth repeatedly to induce a state of confusion referred to as cognitive dissonance. Once that has state has been achieved (which is much easier to do than most people think), the mind is more receptive to suggestion (as it enters a quasi-hypnotic state). Hopefully you'll watch the video to learn more.

That is exactly what the entire "flat earth" psyop is about, to see how well it works as a distraction. Diverting people's attention from things they can change (the state of our world and our own behavior), to endless arguments over things they cannot change (the shape of our world) is a tragic waste of our precious time given all of the horrific injustices that are going on in this world.

Hope this helps.

Lil axe said:

so if its flat, what happens when you get to the edge, (serious question, i asked my co-workers too about that, they laughed )

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"Flat" is a bit of a misnomer... at least according to my opinion.

* Spoiler because the picture may be huuuge.

Lurking009 said:

This does not make sense, though. An object going around the earth simply needs to maintain the same/similar height [altitude] above the earth to circumnavigate. If the object is a plane and turns it's nose down towards the earth, it will get continually closer to the earth and eventually land [or crash]. Planes maintain a level altitude in relationship to the ground, hence no compensation needed.

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FEers will say that due to the curvature of the earth, the plane would need to turn its nose down. if its indeed a globe and the planes trajectory is straight, it should fly off on a tangent to the planet. if its a flat plane, no compensation is needed.

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One of many problems: Flat earthers point to images and videos of the earth and claim it's all photoshop/CGI, but what everyone seems to forget is that evidence of a flat earth can also be photoshop/CGI. Their 'proof' can be someone elses' denial. Claiming everything is fake can work both ways.

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i am in agreement! FEers point to a privately funded FEer


rocket that was shot into the atmosphere and took photos. the photos showed a flat plane and were extremely different than NASA photos. i cannot confirm if the FE photo is fakery.

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There are many private and independent space companies doing space exploration, launching satellites, etc. There is no way all private companies are co-ordinating and replacing live footage with CGI during their launches and space flights. There is also no way all private companies are either -
A: Fooling their thousands of employees [engineers, scientists, technicians] or
B: Getting their thousands of employees [engineers, scientists, technicians] to agree to a lie. Unfortunately, to support flat earth theory, there are many convoluted hoops one has to jump through to make it 'true'.

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great points. i dont know. we DO know that with 9/11, not one person spilled the beans (the 9/11 deathbed confession was a hoax, if you recall), and not one person involved in sandy hoax spilled the beans, either.

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Post #82: Yes, they all look different, which is exactly what I would expect given time, different cameras, technology advances, conditions, changes in resolution, filters used, retouching, etc. This is not shocking or surprising in the least. Photos are often retouched and enhanced to look the best they can for a specific purpose. That doesn't mean the original subject matter doesn't exist.

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time, different cameras, resolutions and filters used could never explain the size changes in the continents themselves. take a closer look at the look how the size of the continents are different in each snapshot. the continent size relative to the planet should be consistent.

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Anyway, my friend, I bid you a very blessed evening!

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whether we are in agreement or not, its always a pleasure to have a discussion with you!

Frank Badfinger said:

I'm going to have to give this topic a deep dive. There seems to be be lots of compelling evidence for and against the FE theory. This could be ongoing.

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i am on the fence with FE myself. i see dazes videos which make sense, but then i see other videos and evidence and rethink my position. unfortunately, i have to say, "i dont know" not because i am scientifically illiterate, but because all of the facts we have been provided by "them" need to be confirmed. for example, how long did our official [globe] maps have the african continent scaled incorrectly without anyone questioning it?




vs the traditional map (again, compare africas relative size):





all FEers say that they were globeheads once. right or wrong, though, i credit them for questioning the official scientific story and checking it out for themselves. nothing "official" should be accepted as true-- we would be just as guilty as the normies who believe all of the lies on the TV.

A Freeman said:

To all those genuinely interested in the truth:-

I hope this finds you well, in good spirit and having a good day.

With literally hundreds of red flag issues associated with the “flat Earth” (FE), one would think that any reasonably-minded human+Being should be able to avoid being sucked into the FE psychosis.

In the hope of helping those who may be struggling with this particular issue (apparently there are some beyond help), please consider the following PHYSICAL evidence that the Earth cannot possibly be flat (i.e. a flat planar surface).

First, and foremost, the largest light in the sky, known here on PLANET Earth as the sun, completely, and by itself, destroys any preposterous notion that the Earth could be flat or that the Earth is not rotating.

The sun unquestionably brings with it every day its light AND its HEAT. Without these two critically important gifts, life on Earth would not be possible. And it is not possible to have the one without the other. The sun radiates both light and heat simultaneously.

Night turns into day as the sun “rises”. Day turns into night as the sun “sets”. Everyone can see the light because the difference is so profound it is like...nay it is...night and day. And everyone can observe that when the sun sets it is NO LONGER VISIBLE, and stays that way until it rises again the next day.

FE falsely claims that the sun supposedly never sets, and that it is somehow visible at night, even though no one has EVER observed the sun at night. Yes, it is possible to see the light radiating from the sun over the horizon at dusk and dawn, just before or after the sun itself disappears or comes into view AT FULL SIZE/DIAMETER. The sun NEVER appreciably increases or decreases in size the entire time it is visible during the daylight hours, including when it sets and rises.

The HEAT that the sun brings is also profound and it can be measured.

It is estimated that the amount of the sun's energy that reaches the surface of the Earth is approximately 1kW/m2 (1000 watts of energy per square meter) or around 100W/ft2 (100 watts per square foot).

How can we be certain this isn't just some made up number (other than the fact that we can physically feel the energy of the sun when it is shining on us)?

Solar energy, for example, is harvested either by capturing light energy with photovoltaic cells (solar panels) or by capturing the thermal (HEAT) energy to heat water (solar thermal water heating panels) or directly heat a space. These are REAL systems that people use every day, in different parts of the world, to gather the sun's energy. And both solar panels and solar-thermal water heating panels have a specific surface area and an efficiency rating. So they both can be used to prove the absolutely MASSIVE amount of energy that is being received here on the surface of the Earth from the sun.

To put this into perspective, the total electricity produced and used worldwide each year is now around 24,000 TWh. That's 24,000,000,000,000,000 watts-hours of energy. If all of the sunlight striking the surface of the state of Texas alone could be converted into electricity, it would amount over 250 TIMES the total electricity used worldwide.

Math:

Total worldwide electrical consumption: 24,000 TWh ÷ 365 days/year ÷ 24 h/day = 2.74 tW

Texas surface area = 696,241 km2 x 1000 W/m2 x 1,000,000 m2/km2 = 696,241,000,000,000 Watts, or 696.241 TW

696.241 TW / 2.74 TW = 254.1 times

And Texas represents only about 0.46% of the land surface of the Earth (1/218).

THAT is how much energy the sun is actually producing, and why it is physically IMPOSSIBLE for the sun to be tiny (32 miles in diameter???) or “close” (supposedly only 3000 miles or so away). It MUST be much, much further away to deliver the amount of UNIFORM energy that it does, which means the sun MUST also be much, much larger in diameter for its apparent size to be as it is seen here from the surface of the Earth.

The difficulty for FE is that the further the sun is away from the Earth, the more ridiculous their ideas become, because of the incredible speed the sun would be required to attain. Even at only 3000 miles up the sun would be required to move at over 1000 mph and would NEVER set. The sun would always be visible on a flat Earth (i.e. it would never dip below its surface) and it would grow and diminish in size dramatically during the course of the day.

FE wants you to believe the speed at which the Earth travels around the sun in its VERY stable orbit is somehow crazy. But at the same time they are hoping you will either believe that the sun is this very tiny spotlight nearby (which is diameter sun whizzing by at over 1000 mph, and the moon (also purportedly at 3000 miles away and the same diameter as the sun) whizzing by at almost 30 TIMES that rate, i.e. at almost 30,000 mph, is somehow believable...

How would a 32-mile in diameter, intensely bright light source like the sun, allegedly over 15 million feet off the ground (3000 miles) EVER disappear from view? The tallest mountains in the world could not obscure it.

In other words, FE cannot even explain how the sun rises and sets each day. Why would anyone trust ANYTHING that these people have to say?

FE is an intentional, government-sponsored disinformation campaign, launched at a time when the world is literally on the brink of WW3 and an imminent economic collapse. It is meant to distract everyone and ultimately to discredit all other “conspiracy theories” which, unlike FE, are based on factual information and REAL evidence. FE is actually designed TO KEEP YOU ASLEEP, and arguing about the shape of your prison, to rob you of what precious little time you have left to learn WHY you are in this prison-planet for the criminally-insane.

Proof that FE is a government-sponsored PSYO...

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The "Flat Earth Society" is a satirical website... like the Babylon Bee (or worse-- the 32 mile diameter claim tipped me off).

If you're curious about people's authentic investigative efforts, look up "Balls Out Physics." They're engineers and stuff.



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polymoog said:

we DO know that with 9/11, not one person spilled the beans (the 9/11 deathbed confession was a hoax, if you recall), and not one person involved in sandy hoax spilled the beans, either.

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From my perspective, those are theories, as well. Is anything possible? Yes. Have they been 100% proven true? Not for me. Hinging an argument that flat earth might/must be real because 9/11 and Sandy Hook were hoaxes is problematic. It's a house of cards and it all still sounds like "The government and globalists lie, therefore everything opposite of what they say must be true.". I know this sounds corny, but I know an actual rocket scientist/engineer who is pretty high up the chain of responsibility. I can guarantee 100% this person [along with all the co-workers] is not lying about space and the earth.

To clarify what I mean by hoax here: I believe 9/11 and Sandy Hook were real events and people died. As to who was behind it, that is up for debate in my mind.

polymoog said:

whether we are in agreement or not, its always a pleasure to have a discussion with you!

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I feel exactly the same!

elsbet said:

The "Flat Earth Society" is a satirical website... like the Babylon Bee (or worse-- the 32 mile diameter claim tipped me off).

If you're curious about people's authentic investigative efforts, look up "Balls Out Physics." They're engineers and stuff.



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Thank-you. While their investigative efforts may be authentic, and their credentials may seem impressive, none of their so-called proofs actually hold water upon further physical examination.

As someone who holds multiple engineering degrees, and has thoroughly examined the claims made by FE, it can be accurately said that every one of their claims has a catch, and falls flat on its face upon further investigation. Again, many of the claims play on the odds, i.e. that most people live in the northern hemisphere (roughly 90%), that most people have never traveled great distances (thousands of miles), that most people have never had to navigate their own vessel (e.g. a boat, traveling over thousands of miles) and/or don't have any marine experience, that most people do not have a background in science or engineering (or even in higher mathematics), etc. It's like a magician's trick. It only works when the audience doesn't know how the trick is done; once someone figures out what the magician is actually doing, the illusion no longer works.

There is also a heavy reliance on information from hundreds of years ago, as if this is some ancient knowledge that is just now being revealed. And on multiple logical fallacies, which is very telling, not only that someone isn't being honest, but also why they're not being honest (i.e. what their agenda is). In this particular case, FE is being used to prevent a mass awakening (whilst falsely claiming to be at the forefront of it and the "mother of all conspiracies"). If we take REAL conspiracies, e.g. the fractional reserve banking fraud, 9/11, 7/7, the magic virus scam, etc. (all real conspiracies, which are not "theories" but irrefutable fact) and then paperclip FE to them, the "guilt by association" fallacy can later be employed to discredit ALL conspiracies, when the parasitic ruling criminal class decides to release information which effectively harpoons FE (if that's even necessary at this point).

In other words, someone pointing out that it is a physical impossibility to bring down towers consisting of over 100,000 lbs of structural steel whilst pulverizing hundreds of tons of concrete, at near free-fall speed, without knocking out the supporting structure will immediately be shot down by the latest incapacitating slur "so do you believe the earth is flat too?".

It's interesting that @polymoog has brought up historical maps. Sure, there were scaling differences in ancient maps because of a lack of geodetic survey information to use to link points across vast distances together AND the fact that perfectly transferring 3D data onto a 2D map isn't possible without adjustments. But with the geodetic survey information available today, the only differences are 2D renderings of 3D (global) maps. Anyway, one of the first things looked into when coming across all of this when it exploded onto the internet 6-8 years ago were the maps. There are fatal flaws in the FE (UN) map which illustrate how easy it is to dupe people into believing things that can be checked simply by correlating flight times and comparing them to maps.

A few subsequent posts will be made to illustrate some of these differences, from information previously gathered, in case it would be helpful to others who are spending their time currently investigating these things. And yes, there are a few very obvious puns that have been included in this reply, which hopefully are worth a smile.

Houston, we have a problem…

We have two maps. One is a 3D global representation of the Earth; the other is a 2-D flat, disc-shaped map.

These two maps are mutually exclusive. Only one of them can be correct. The other is a fraud.

So which is which?

Here in the 21st century, we have the means at our disposal to accurately measure point-to-point distances on the global model thanks to online mapping services (which do include google maps and google earth -- and saying that isn't meant to encourage people to use them). These distances can be double-checked by driving, sailing and flying, and through other navigational software packages that many thousands if not millions use, so if there were any discrepancies they would very quickly be discovered. Simply stated, regardless of Google's corporate agenda or affiliation with the government, their mapping information can and has been verified.

While there are multiple flat Earth maps, the one most widely used includes both the Tropic of Cancer, Equator and Tropic of Capricorn, as well as longitudinal markings every 15 degrees radiating from the North Pole at the centre of the disc. For quick reference, this is the familiar map that looks very similar to the UN emblem, albeit with an ice-wall around its perimeter.

We also have at our fingertips access to very accurate sunrise and sunset times for every major city in the world, calculated from latitude measurements and solar declination and easily verifiable through simple observation. This means there's no reason why we cannot double-check the distances on both maps against the observable sunrise and sunset times, as they occur around the world to see which one represents reality. That should rapidly sort out which of these maps and world models is real and which one is a fraud.

All that is required are reference points along or pretty close to a known latitude line, the distances between these reference points according to both maps, and the sunrise times at the reference points for a given day.

Using the above information, coupled with the proposed rotational rate of the Earth about its axis on the global model, it will be possible to determine which model best fits the observable sunrise and distance data. Simple enough.

Because of the limitations of the flat Earth map, the three logical latitudes chosen for this test were the Tropic of Cancer, the Equator and the Tropic of Capricorn. This makes the most sense, since cities that are at or very close to the intersections of these latitudes and major continental coastlines can be selected for easy comparison. Please see the tabled results of this information below.


As can be seen from the table, the average accuracy of the global model and map, relative to the observable sunrise information is better than 98%, whereas the flat Earth model isn't even a close second at only 63%. This is actually a very generous way of evaluating the flat Earth model, because the 63% average accuracy translates into being many thousands of miles off in numerous places, which means that the observable sunrise times would be IMPOSSIBLE on the flat Earth model.

We can therefore conclude beyond any reasonable doubt that the flat Earth map and model is a fraud, and doesn't remotely represent reality. The sun would have to double or triple its speed (i.e. accelerate) in numerous places along its purported circuit to have any hope of arriving in time to provide the sunrises we actually see around the world. A phenomenon that doesn't happen and has never been observed.

There would also be different speed requirements at different latitudes on the flat Earth model which likewise are IMPOSSIBLE.

Similarly, because the flat Earth model claims the sun has a diameter of only 32 miles and continually circles at 3000 miles overhead, it is physically impossible for the sun to ever rise and set anyway, as it could never dip below the edge of the disc. Obviously if the sun ever did dip below the edge of the disc it would plunge the entire world into darkness.

While this is really all the information required to prove beyond any reasonable doubt the Earth is NOT flat, there is of course many other considerations, e.g. the Southern sky would not be visible from anywhere on a flat, planar surface, the moon would not be seen as a mirror image in the Southern hemisphere to what is seen in the Northern hemisphere and there would be no “dark side” of the moon, as the entire moon would be visible from different vantage points on a flat, planar Earth.


Therefore, as the evidence clearly indicates, it is IMPOSSIBLE for the Earth to be flat. The flat earth map simply doesn't work, doesn't represent reality, and proves itself to be a fake and a fraud, particularly when looking at the massive differences in latitude line lengths, which get progressively worse the further one travels from the North Pole toward the “ice wall”.

It appears that whoever constructed the flat Earth map was hoping to take advantage of the fact that 90% of the world's population lives in the Northern hemisphere, and therefore would not be able to personally uncover the multitude of fatal flaws in its concept and construction. But that was hundreds of years ago, before the world was accurately mapped, widely traveled and nearly instant communication became possible, allowing two people to converse from the Northern to the Southern hemisphere to share their observations from both at the same time.

Tropic of Capricorn Trip
http://www.shootandscribble.com/sr/page6/page22/page22.html

With the above information, which is very easily repeatable and verifiable, we can now conclude with absolute certainty that the proposed flat Earth model is physically impossible, and thus fails on every level to represent the daily observable reality of the sunrise and sunset.

Scriptural evidence --

Our heavenly Father and His Handiwork remain a constant source of amazement, at least to me.

In the English language, we have separate words for the instrument that draws a circle and the circle itself. We also have a separate word for movement in a circular-shaped pathway.

The instrument that draws a circle is called a compass. The compass begins with one of its legs in the center of the circle and on its circumference, the radius of the circle away. The leg on the circumference is then rotated about the fixed, center-point of that circle, until it makes a complete (full) revolution.

A circuit is basically the same thing; only instead of using an instrument to draw a circle, it involves the movement of an individual or vehicle in the same manner. A full revolution from a starting point along the circumference of a circle, that is completed upon arriving back at the same point (the beginning and the end point being the same).

Both the drawing instrument and the circular pathway traveled denote rotation to form a circle. And a circle rotated about itself forms a sphere.

Unlike English, in the Hebrew language all three of these words are represented in a single word: chuwg (pronounced khüg). So in a single word, God told us that the Earth is not only spherical in shape, but that it is rotating about its axis. Amazing.

Isaiah 40:22 [It is] He that sitteth upon the circle (chuwg) of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof [are] as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

Job 22:14 Thick clouds [are] a covering to Him, that He seeth not; and He walketh in the circuit (chuwg) of heaven.

Proverbs 8:27 When He prepared the heavens, I [was] there: when He set a compass (chuwg) upon the face of the depth:

A sphere is the ONLY object that appears as a circle from EVERY direction. God Himself is the same from every direction and completely the same today, tomorrow and forever.

So in the most efficient means possible, God told us EVERYTHING we need to know about both the shape of this planet and also His Omnipresence. He is the Alpha and the Omega. The Beginning and the End.

Using the Hebrew word for “ball” (dur) to describe the Earth simply would not have worked because a ball is not necessarily spherical (footballs, rugby balls, etc.) and likewise does not necessarily denote rotation like a compass and a circuit do. A ball is a child's plaything, to be tossed around, and that is exactly how that word is used in Scripture.

Isaiah 22:18 He will surely violently turn and toss thee [like] a ball (dur) into a large country: there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory [shall be] the shame of thy lord's house.

EVERYTHING around us is in motion. It is God Who is the fixed, unmovable, unchangeable center of the Universe, and it is only when we are calm, unemotional and at peace, that we truly find Him and the answers to all of life's questions.

Psalm 46:10-11
46:10 BE STILL, and know that I [am] God: I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth.
46:11 The "I AM" Lord of hosts [is] with us; the God of Jacob [is] our refuge. The rock.

Merry-go-round

The Earth spins at a blinding rotational rate of roughly 1 revolution per day.

That works out to just under 0.0007 rpm. That's 7/10,000 of one revolution per minute.

As sensational as it sounds to report the TANGENTIAL velocity of the Earth near its Equator is just over 1000 mph, rotational rate and tangential velocity should NOT be confused because they ARE NOT THE SAME.

People and everything else on the Earth experience 0.0007 rpm everyday, as the Earth rotates about its axis.

Spin a merry-go-round at that rate. ITS OUTSIDE DIAMETER DOES NOT MATTER. See if you can hang on at that blistering speed. Take a glass full of water with you. Hold on to it tight so it doesn't fly out of your hand at 0.0007 rpm.

Better yet, throw the glass of water in your face. It should hopefully help wake you up to the FACT that the intentional misrepresentations, the pseudo-scientific arguments, the repeated use of well-documented neuro-linguistic and carefully-crafted visual stimuli being used by FE are ALL mind-control techniques to induce cognitive dissonance.

If you think the Earth is flat, you've been duped by this obvious PSYOP.

Everyday the sun rises and sets on this PLANET, as a direct result of its 0.0007 rpm rotational rate about its own axis. THIS COULD NEVER HAPPEN ON A FLAT, PLANAR EARTH WHERE THE SUN IS ALWAYS CIRCLING OVERHEAD. For the sun to set on a flat Earth, it would have to dip BELOW the edge of the plane, which would plunge the entire Earth into darkness simultaneously. Something that NEVER happens.

For those who have bought into the PSYOP, quick...it's time to reach back into your(?) memory for that special anchor word: PERSPECTIVE. That's how you will try to explain away this OBVIOUS and FATAL flaw in your reasoning about something as simple as the sunrise and sunset.

But it simply doesn't work. A sun, circling at a supposed altitude of roughly 3000 miles, would ALWAYS be visible from EVERY point on the plane beneath it, EVEN WHEN IT WAS AS FAR AWAY AS IT COULD GET (i.e. on the opposite side of the plane).

So the FE FAILS everyday to explain even the simplest and easiest observable phenomenon: sunrise and sunset.

The FE model simply doesn't hold water.

Quick...as a last gasp...time to reach for the next special FE anchor phrase and mindlessly repeat: "but water seeks its own level". Go ahead, say it...you know you want to...

you just didn't know why you want to say it...until now.

More Scriptural evidence:-

The FE phenomenon has all the hallmarks of a government PSY-OP, to confuse people and distract them from all of the evil that is going on around the world and that is actually being perpetrated by the governments and their leaders and agencies.

It is also meant to do the same among the faithful, by creating the false dichotomy that one has to believe in FE to believe the Bible is true, when in fact nowhere in the Bible does it teach that the Earth is flat. On the contrary, the Bible teaches that this is a spherical-shaped planet, just like the other heavenly bodies (sun, moon, stars, planets, etc.).

The divisive nature of this subject should likewise, by itself, prove its satanic origin. Divide and conquer is a classic satanic strategy that's been successfully used for 6000 years to keep everyone AWAY from the truth of why we were sent here and what we should be doing with what precious little time we have left to be able to go home.


Joshua's Longest Day:-

From our perspective on the surface of the Earth, the sun APPEARS to rise and set everyday. In the geocentric/egocentric model this is thought to be the sun actually moving across the sky, but this doesn't fit at all with the FE model, which claims the sun runs a circuit about the Equator, 3000 miles overhead. Please note well there are NO references in the Bible to the sun "running its circuit" or "circling overhead" and yet this imaginary concept is front and center to the FE model, which cannot even offer ANY reasonable explanation as to how the sun actually rises and sets.

In the heliocentric/sun-centered model, where the Earth revolves around the sun, the appearance of sunrise and sunset are the result of the Earth rotating about its axis in its orbit around the sun. The part of the Earth facing the sun receives its light while the opposite side is in darkness. Pretty basic concept.

The passage that describes "Joshua's longest day", in its entirety, is included below for convenience.

Joshua 10:12-14
10:12 Then spoke Joshua to the "I AM" in the day when the "I AM" delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon.
10:13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. [Is] not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.
10:14 And there was no day like that before it or after it, that the "I AM" hearkened unto the voice of a man: for the "I AM" fought for Israel.

If the Earth's rotation were to be slowed or stopped, it would produce exactly the same effect described above where, from our perspective on the surface of the Earth, the sun would APPEAR to stand still. The fact that the moon is referenced in this passage as likewise being visible and standing still is further indication that is exactly what happened. There would be no need to mention the moon otherwise, because the moon would be halfway around the world and completely out of sight if the sun and moon actually ran on a circuit 3000 miles overhead as the FE model falsely claims.

Man made-up the FE model. Man then tries to explain the Bible using the man-made FE model. Unsurprisingly, the FE model fails miserably to explain even the simplest things, e.g. sunrise and sunset, because the FE model is a FRAUD and has NO basis in reality, as the Scriptures prove beyond any reasonable doubt.

EGO is an obvious anagram for GEO. The EGOcentric/GEOcentric model, where the entire Universe revolves around us, is overtly anti-Christ. Christ told us we MUST destroy our satanic egos DAILY or they will destroy us (Luke 9:23).

The Sun/Son centered model, where we rotate about the Sun/Son, is obviously a CHRIST-CENTERED MODEL. Christ is spiritually the Sun of Righteousness (Mal. 4:2) and The Light of the world (John 8:3), which is physically illustrated, from our perspective on the surface of the Earth, by the sun, which DAILY brings Life-giving Light to this otherwise dark world.

One final and extremely vital note about Joshua's longest day: the "I AM" fought for Israel because that's exactly what He promised to do IF we keep The Law.

Hence the relevance of the keeping The Law NOW, because the ONLY Way to defeat the NWO is with God's Help, and with Him on our side (or, more accurately put, with us on His Side), fighting this battle for us and with us.

The Scriptural quote above is from The King of kings' Bible.

And further Biblical proof the Earth is NOT flat:-

Job 26:7 He stretcheth out the North over the empty place, [and] HANGETH the earth upon NOTHING.

Conspiracy Theorist: I know for a fact these freemasonic elite lied about everything…except… the shape of the Earth… because #SCIENCE

floss said:

Conspiracy Theorist: I know for a fact these freemasonic elite lied about everything…except… the shape of the Earth… because #SCIENCE

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Two ends of the spectrum:

1. Government/globalists are always wrong.
2. Conspiracy theorists are always right.

Neither of the above is correct.

I have a few questions for whoever
wishes to answer them

Why does the cia/ptb use a flat earth model for
testing in their own words Ya can See/Hear it in
the video shared in this thread,wouldn't a globe
offer more accurate proofs for the testing considering thats
what they are testing how w/e happens/effects
Our World

who/why decided a fish eyed lens was the go to
lens for Humans to use and is still used in plenty
of images from tptb of space/iss images

how is there tests going on today in the firmament
if the firmament doesn't exit in Our World and it was
also mentioned in plenty of papers released(example)
operation fishbowl,by tptb who did/are still testing
things in the firmament

why can a space launch never just go straight up and
out,why always have the camera angle they have instead
of a few different angles,why do they have to cut away at
points when by the feedback there are Peoples that would
sit and watch the entire launch start to finish

most of these questions will never be answered
We will not Know until We are no longer on this plane
of existence and by that time We will no longer care about
round/flat


I'm just pondering out loud a few questions in my head here

floss said:

Conspiracy Theorist: I know for a fact these freemasonic elite lied about everything…except… the shape of the Earth… because #SCIENCE

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Do they lie about 2+2=4 also?

Most people who believe in FE have next to zero knowledge of physics and math so of course it's flat!! They dont lie about everything, they use half-truths which is way more dangerous.