What event "woke" you up?

Tidal

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Yes yes, me being Muslim makes me bias...Alas there is no hope for you Tidal.

The funny thing is that whenever I try to pin down the consp-theorists to discuss one piece of "evidence" at a time about 9/11, they either fob me off or try to shunt me off to some longwinded video or link to do their talking for them..:)
As a Christian, I KNOW governments are corrupt and crooked (see my sig line), but until somebody can convince me otherwise, it's as plain as day to me that muslim terrorists did it..:)
Or am I missing something?
 

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The funny thing is that whenever I try to pin down the consp-theorists to discuss one piece of "evidence" at a time about 9/11, they either fob me off or try to shunt me off to some longwinded video or link to do their talking for them..:)
As a Christian, I KNOW governments are corrupt and crooked (see my sig line), but until somebody can convince me otherwise, it's as plain as day to me that muslim terrorists did it..:)
Or am I missing something?
Seeing so many have debated 9/11 with you showing you the most obvious evidence.. The likely scenario is you walked away several times agreeing with them.. But due to your age and dementia, you "forgot" you were convinced and went back to square one.

Hence it is pointless for me to keep re-educating you.

Btw "woke" Tidal. The FDA approved the vaccine today. They say its 100% safe, so what you are waiting for?
We both know you're wearing 2 masks and a visor inside as we speak. Don't you want to get rid of them?

Stop dragging your feet, according to you, the US gooberment is completely trustworthy. Don't hesitate, vaccinate!
 

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Seeing so many have debated 9/11 with you showing you the most obvious evidence..

Nope, they simply post great big machine-gun bursts of videos and links and expect me to spend hours sifting through them, but that's not my debating style..:)
My style is to deal with just ONE point at a time-

"This is this!"



But let's not derail Notsure's thread, as I'd be quite happy to strut my stuff in a 9/11 thread somewhere if there is one, I'm calling you theorists out..
:p
 

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Problem I have with accepting the "Muslims never dun 9/11" consp-theory is that Al-Qaeda ADMITTED doing it-


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You believe what Al-Quaeda say?
Really?

Do you believe all terrorist groups are truthful by nature, or was it just Bin Laden's bunch that seemed so trustworthy?

Edit.
OMG!
You believe the Guardian too!
Lol lol lol

I thought it was strictly the Daily Star for you.
Giant rats and immigrant seagulls.
 

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I have always known stuff was going on.
I was brought up to believe I was living in the 'end times'.
And stuff had always happened, but mostly it was far away, or just something that was supposed but unproven.

Like 9/11
I saw it on TV.
It was terrible and dramatic.
I saw the moment the woman said another tower of had fallen, just as it seemed to fall behind her.
I remember a reporter saying he had heard an explosion like a bomb, and then the tower fell down.

And since then I have seen nothing but conflicting information.
And really, it was nothing to do with me.

But then, at the end of 2012, start of 2013, something changed.
Something in the air, somethîg in the feel of things, like everything had slipped into something else.

On the day I remember laughing 'ha ha, the world hasn't ended!'
But it had.
 

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Problem I have with accepting the "Muslims never dun 9/11" consp-theory is that Al-Qaeda ADMITTED doing it-


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I respect your view. Thats what I believed until I heard the eye witness accounts of bombs going off in the basements(which the 9/11 commission left out), larry silverstein the WTC lease owner accidently admitting on PBS that he "pulled" demolished the 3rd building(whom most people dont even know fell), no plane found in the pennsylvania field and no plane found at the pentagon(the news said they desintegrated). Personally I believe Bin Laden was a C.I.A asset to set the stage for the "war on terror".
 

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I have always known stuff was going on.
I was brought up to believe I was living in the 'end times'.
And stuff had always happened, but mostly it was far away, or just something that was supposed but unproven.

Like 9/11
I saw it on TV.
It was terrible and dramatic.
I saw the moment the woman said another tower of had fallen, just as it seemed to fall behind her.
I remember a reporter saying he had heard an explosion like a bomb, and then the tower fell down.

And since then I have seen nothing but conflicting information.
And really, it was nothing to do with me.

But then, at the end of 2012, start of 2013, something changed.
Something in the air, somethîg in the feel of things, like everything had slipped into something else.

On the day I remember laughing 'ha ha, the world hasn't ended!'
But it had.
I believe its the end times too. I just recently watched a video called " aquarius age of evil" and at the end of 2012 is allegedly when the "new age" aquarius began and the occult elite are in full effect preparing for their "messiah". Theres also a real popular 70s/80s song about age of aquarius too.
 

Notsure

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It happened over time, through several things, but mainly through realization that the film and music industry is not what I thought it was (mk ultra, occultists, predictive programming).

A year ago I was still listening to Korean and Japanese rock and that's what lead me to this website and this forum - TXT and Red Velvet articles by VC. It only confirmed my suspicion the MVs are full of blasphemy, masonic, luciferian, pedo, etc symbolism. Main thing that convinced me was probably seeing BTS in ritual cloaks and masks at the end of Fake Love, and how much it resembled Kubrick's movie Eyes wide shut. I was already wondering for some time how could someone quite mediocre, and sometimes ridiculous, get so popular and get such a crazy fanbase. Their album sales and YT views were several times higher than sales and views of other k-pop groups together. As I later found out their songs are mainly about selling their souls, boasting about their success or a cry for help.

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Since I don't live in US and was a child when 9/11 happened, I was just aware it happened but it didn't change much our everyday life and way of thinking. It was probably first time I've heard term conspiracy theory, and found it fascinating what people were talking about. But I started to question the main narrative only years later. Mainly last year and half. 9/11 happened far away, but muzzles and lockdowns came to this part of the world as well.
Yes it is definately fascinating, but disturbing at the same time. All mainstream genres pretty much express the same thing nowadays whether its in the U.S, Japan, Korea, or anywhere else it seems.
 

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I have always known stuff was going on.
I was brought up to believe I was living in the 'end times'.
And stuff had always happened, but mostly it was far away, or just something that was supposed but unproven.

Like 9/11
I saw it on TV.
It was terrible and dramatic.
I saw the moment the woman said another tower of had fallen, just as it seemed to fall behind her.
I remember a reporter saying he had heard an explosion like a bomb, and then the tower fell down.

And since then I have seen nothing but conflicting information.
And really, it was nothing to do with me.

But then, at the end of 2012, start of 2013, something changed.
Something in the air, somethîg in the feel of things, like everything had slipped into something else.

On the day I remember laughing 'ha ha, the world hasn't ended!'
But it had.
IMO 1999 was a shift from the analog realm into the digital....2012 seemed like a spirit shift opposing forces colliding.
 

Tidal

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I respect your view. Thats what I believed until I heard the eye witness accounts of bombs going off in the basements(which the 9/11 commission left out), larry silverstein the WTC lease owner accidently admitting on PBS that he "pulled" demolished the 3rd building(whom most people dont even know fell), no plane found in the pennsylvania field and no plane found at the pentagon(the news said they desintegrated). Personally I believe Bin Laden was a C.I.A asset to set the stage for the "war on terror".

The first thing to remember is that there are a lot of muslims, muslim sympathisers and anti-American traitors out there who want us to believe their ridiculous 9/11 consp-theory, so don't get suckered in by them.
Like I said earlier, Al-Q ADMITTED doing 9/11, and they've NEVER said "We didn't do it" so that clinches it for me..:)
To answer your points-
1- If bombs had gone off in the basements the towers would have collapsed like a house of cards, but what we saw was the steel strusses giving way on the floors where the planes had gone in because the flames from the burning fuel had melted them. That caused the floors above to come crashing down and crush the floors below in a concertina effect.
There's a saying in the building industry- "Never trust a truss", because if the trusses on one floor go, the whole lot above go too.
Below- stills from a TV science documentary showing how the W-shaped trusses melted and gave way-





2- When one of the planes hit WTC2, some of the wreckage went straight through and hit buildings below such as WTC7 which then also collapsed.





3- The Pennsylvania and Pentagon planes disintegrated and / or vapourised.


4- Muslims had already tried to blow up the WTC north tower with a truck bomb in 1993, it killed 6 people including a pregnant woman.
They'd also been committing terrorism all around the world for years before 9/11, so America didn't need to stage a 9/11 false flag as an excuse to invade the mideast, because they ALREADY HAD plenty of good excuses to go kick muslim ass..:)
 

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Yes it is definately fascinating, but disturbing at the same time. All mainstream genres pretty much express the same thing nowadays whether its in the U.S, Japan, Korea, or anywhere else it seems.
Disturbing indeed. Until k-pop I didn't care to look at MVs and lyrics, and for a long time didn't even understand english, so... that's why it was k-pop what opened my eyes.
 

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The first thing to remember is that there are a lot of muslims, muslim sympathisers and anti-American traitors out there who want us to believe their ridiculous 9/11 consp-theory, so don't get suckered in by them.
Like I said earlier, Al-Q ADMITTED doing 9/11, and they've NEVER said "We didn't do it" so that clinches it for me..:)
To answer your points-
1- If bombs had gone off in the basements the towers would have collapsed like a house of cards, but what we saw was the steel strusses giving way on the floors where the planes had gone in because the flames from the burning fuel had melted them. That caused the floors above to come crashing down and crush the floors below in a concertina effect.
There's a saying in the building industry- "Never trust a truss", because if the trusses on one floor go, the whole lot above go too.
Below- stills from a TV science documentary showing how the W-shaped trusses melted and gave way-





2- When one of the planes hit WTC2, some of the wreckage went straight through and hit buildings below such as WTC7 which then also collapsed.





3- The Pennsylvania and Pentagon planes disintegrated and / or vapourised.


4- Muslims had already tried to blow up the WTC north tower with a truck bomb in 1993, it killed 6 people including a pregnant woman.
They'd also been committing terrorism all around the world for years before 9/11, so America didn't need to stage a 9/11 false flag as an excuse to invade the mideast, because they ALREADY HAD plenty of good excuses to go kick muslim ass..:)
Im no muslim, but the evidence is overwhelming that the U.S was involved. It is basically irrefutible. There is also a large group of american architects and engineers that built a website disputing the 9/11 narrative here. Check it out https://www.ae911truth.org/. Your a christian right? Over 500,000 innocent lives (civilians) were reportedly taken in Iraq as a result of the Bush administration blatant lies. God HATES innocent blood being shed! Its one of the seven abominations. Add the fact that George Bush Jr dad George H W Bush Sr said he was moving the U.S towards a new world order and it is very clear that this was a false flag. You should be able to acknowledge that this is possible being a member of this site.
 
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Like some posters stated. 2012.
I lurked VC around that time. Reading about the Denver airport. Madonna did the super bowl half time that spring as well.

Later on that summer the aurora shooting happened with some connect the dots to batman followed by hurricane sandy,2012 elections then sandy hook, then 2013 boston bombings. After that it just trickled into false flag or some type of race riot yearly
 
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It wasn't any specific event for me I think. I started to recognise the divine nature of reality and somehow ended up here. Once you realize that the most and perhaps even the only important thing is desperately trying to be veiled from you, it blows your mind wide open to every other possibility. It is the key to understanding why the world works the way it does imo, both microcosmically and macrocosmically.

Covid 9/11 was the thing that made me realize that literally EVERYTHING in the news is fake though. This is when I started to learn about the dino-hoax, history hoaxes (including alternative history hoaxes), the spinning ball hoax. By this time I was already training myself to be rational and as logically consistent as possible. Shortly after, I came upon the philosophy of the auto-hoaxer. Life has never been better.
 

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There was another psy op fake-o “murder” in CT: The fake Fotis Dulos event.

For some inexplicable reason, he was “secretly” photographed running and he was wearing a Batman shirt.

Mark Cuban has worn a Batman t- shirt in “news channel” interviews.
 
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I'm sure a similar thread(s) have been posted, but I'm just interested how people got here. For me it was definately 9/11. Ten years ago or more I would of thought that mostly everyone here were crazy, but over time I concluded that our government was involved and ever since I've been a "nut". Just wondering what opened your eyes?
So as a newly active but long time lurking account, I figure now is as good a Time as ever to let you guys in on my mindset a little bit. I can't tell you what truly awake is but I can tell you that from as long as I can remember I have been knee deep in the belly of the Beast. I am 27 years old born in 1994 March, I am former United States Navy hospital corpsman, I was born in Los Angeles California and until 18 months old I live there as well after which I was adopted and I ended up living in Rancho Cucamonga until about 10, Victorville until about 15, and at that time when my parents divorced I moved with my mother to South Florida in Naples and Fort Myers where I graduated high school and did a year at Florida Gulf Coast University. I remember 9/11 like it was yesterday and as a small child my mother being from Newark New Jersey I had visited before when going to visit family in New York. I have pictures in front of the towers before they fell. However I was only about 7 at the time so it didn't really wake me up or make me question anything I was a child I accepted the narrative than my parents gave me and they said that the narrative that the country gave them or the government. I was raised in a pretty more or less strict Christian house my parents are African-American I am African-American and I was also raised by two liberal Democrats. I have never voted and I do not have a political affiliation I have always since voting age believe that voting was rigged. Now that we have some establishing facts let's talk about when I would call myself woken up, there were three more left stages of this for me but it began when I was about 16 years old in South Florida. I had a English teacher who was a ghost hunter. I don't even know what to make of ghosts or ghost hunting because it's kind of like the last thing on my mind with all the other stuff going on but you had a lot of other interesting books notably the fate magazines, which if you Google it you'll see exactly what they have in them. Basically anything we talked about on these boards were being published in those magazines at the time. Fate magazine. So after becoming like a UFO nerd conspiracy nerd or whatever this is probably 2011 coming up on 2012 everyone's expecting the so-called world to end as we know it or something and my cousin's baby daddy was a 5 percenter or a nation of gods and Earths type Muslim, or another words a black supremacist. I am not a supremacist and I do not condone supremacist views, I must also interject here and say that I became disillusioned around 16 from Christianity and I attempted to convert to Judaism. That wasn't going to work lol. So after hearing about the Quran and Islam Through The Eyes of a 5 percenter talks about the grafted race and jakub, this was what I would say was my second stage where I began to look at spirituality and religions and the actual meaning and I began to smell the esoteric nature. Finally stage 3, in other words where I find myself now, after reading those titles that I posted in the thread that I made yesterday I began to be able to understand exactly how little I actually know. And yes I will say that reading has woken up more than anything else. I have studied quite a bit by now, from Sumerian Tablets Epic of Gilgamesh Hinduism egyptology and their echoes into Buddhism judeo-christian beliefs Islam Roman and Greek pantheon and ygdrasil, UFO ology about so called annunaki, reptilians, zeta riticulans grey's insectoids, the blue alien chicken from Futurama, Rosicrucianism Freemasonry and harim abiff, Helena blavatsky, Aleister Crowley, the black pope the Jesuit order the Roman Catholic Church, I mean if I just keep listing stuff we're going to be here forever. Anyways I used to really like science fiction like Star Wars and Marvel Comics Transformers or whatever but I've come to realize aliens zombie magicians and witches vampires are also much more real than we could have ever imagined the problem is we are talk to these things are Fantastical and they cannot be real in our world however there are real versions of these things that we now have let slide under the rug because we don't even think they could be real. I don't connect myself to any mainstream religion or spirituality but I do know that there is God consciousness I'm not talking about that new age bullshit, I do think that the religions and spirituality Echo the same tune and they are onto something but again I find myself so jaded and disillusioned in this world I have a hard time concretely believing anything. Especially when you start to get into how holographic our reality is how our perception and our senses our reality how those things can be deceived and stimulated and altered you know it gets real hairy out here guys. I stationed myself a spy Within the q / "white supremacist " movement ( I know all qtards are not racist) and I have spoken to Santos Bonacci and the quantum businessman from YouTube. But no man has any real answers to me. Science is really cool and all but I do believe that the mainstream is ignoring a connection to spirituality and ignoring the fact that we know so little about science that we actually don't really have a grip on it all that well sure we cloned sheep 30 years ago sure we hacked into DNA 15 years ago sure we can create a black hole in the Large Hadron Collider probably 5-10 years ago I still don't think we have a hold on things that well. Well thank you for reading my speal, if you read this far, I have a question for anyone who cares to answer this is something that I myself don't have a solid opinion on but part of me does believe that it could be true, I have seen and heard in certain places amongst the conspiracy Community or truth Community or whatever that there are no more nuclear bombs or that there never really were maybe I don't believe that part but I have heard that either extraterrestrials have come and disarmed all of our nukes or that we simply disarmed them ourselves and don't use them. On the exact flip end of that it is well known and documented publicly that the Russian Federation and United States military supposedly have enough nuclear bombs to blow the planet up a few times over. Neither country has ever threatened to do so and both countries have actively said that they take measures to make sure that that would never happen but really 5000 you sitting around between the two of them I don't know, I have however heard of the Jericho option that so called Israel has enough nukes to blow the world over as well and will actually do it if threatened if their nation is so threatening that they feel that they have no way out they allegedly will flip the table on the game. please respond with any opinion on that
 
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