Kpop Satanic/Illuminati Influence

Shuna

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Hi, I'm back.
First of all, I would like to clarify thing that I don't believe in MK Ultra. Not saying it doesn't exist, but I don't believe that a magnificent creation like a human is completely helpless under its control. Cuz God created us with intelligence, to be able to distinguish between right and wrong deeds, so he'll hold us all together for punishing and rewarding each one for what they deserve. So, does it make sense that a mortal creation could possibly ever be powerful than his immortal creator...?!

I read articles about how these celebrities got involved into such cults. Since most of them were coming from poor families, they blindly signed their contracts for change their measurable lives. Then, after they got into the industry, they realized the fatal mistake they've done but unfortunately after it was too late. MK Ultra is including drugs, sexual practices, and more disgusting things that anyone could imagine. But hey, aren't these practices being done already by ordinary people?!

My point is the fact that the goodness or badness of someone does actually come from within, not from outside. MK Ultra is just making the badness even worst, that's why -in my opinion- there were people though all the horrible torture and mutilations they've been through, they still mangaged to break out free and lived normally. As a matter of fact, there are some K idols who had bad reputation even before their training days.

As for the reason why I'm targetting the rest of SHINEE members, is due to the fact they were witnessing everything behind the closed doors but still chose to renew their contracts as if JJONG wasn't existed at all. Shinhwa, JYJ, and even a senior group Got7 were able to restart their careers elsewhere. So, what excuses SHINee have to justify their attitude?!

SM didn't give Jonghyun that freedom because they wanted to, they did because they had to and that's what all those arguments between the two were about, he didn't like to have all that symbols in his MVs either but he had to satisfied with his exclusive free space he got until he finally get rid of his contract restriction. But eventually, as soon as his wings were ready to fly away... BOOM!

And please, don't be fooled by that foundation. It's said that it's meant to help all celebrities to improve their mental health. But the fact is that Sulli and Hara along with four/five young actors has passed away after. So, what kind of help was that...?

Speaking of Sulli, F(x) group had been neglected by sm long before Jjong's incident. And if I'm not mistaken, they had been so even before Jessica dispanded from SNSD in 2014. Poor Sulli was tortured mentally, after a very long time of hiatus she got to be active on social media which apparently didn't please some fanatic netizens who left aggressive and sexual comments under her posts. She asked SM for legal actions but they mostly deliberately ignored her shouting for help in preparation for the next stage. Her mental had more than enough of suffering all that pressure, so all what SM had to do at this point was just adding the final straw by forcing her to attend that show where she had to read the haters comments loudly in front of cameras.


As someone here claimed earlier, I never knew Jjong.
But you know what...?
I haven't been in this thread for so long, but I noticed that there is no page I move through without reading some comments; such as: "may God protect them", "may God guide them", "let's pray for their freedom" and such...
Consciously or unconsiously, we all feel sympathy for them, though everything we know they might have done. So are we more merciful than the most merciful God who's kind to his creations than a mother to her own child...?

SORRY FOR TAKING UP SO MUCH.
AND IF YOU STILL HAVE SOME MORE QUESTIONS, FEEL FREE TO ASK. ♡♡
Why I believe in MK-Ultra, I had already put some of the research: On the other hand sorry for the size of the comment:
Another thing, one of the victims that I met, had precisely been a victim, of this practice. The victims undergo different treatments, such as the violent, or even the practice, which I have called the game of death. That we see in a lot of clips. It consists of throwing arrows and an ax at the victim. The elderly victim that I met, was in the shape of a tree, with a target painted on it.
Other details are either the tired eyes or a slight smile from the stretching, even if this practice looks like an electric treatment. Symbolize by the old dental apparatus, which stretches the mouth. Besides, I just understood, well I hope that's it. We often see cheeks stretching forcing each other, making a smile, showing all their teeth. For the eyes and teeth, I took it as a confirmation, when I saw an article, about a Russian, having participated in a reality TV, where he practiced it, which is quite usual. He testified that he was locked in a room, left sitting on a chair, to make him lose track of time. He also had dark circles and the stretch of a smile at the corner of his mouth. I posted the article on the forum, but I can't find...
Besides, since I saw one of the subjects of the UFO forum and that they use as a theme. It should be noted first of all that the extraterrestrial vessels are a Nazi project, which consisted in sending nuclear bombs into space. moreover, zone 51, in addition to being an aviation zone, is next to a nuclear test zone. And I just thought that the house where the SHINee members are in their last music video show looks like his show houses. A house, put in a shed, since you can't see the sky.

Speaking of energy and program, it is interesting to note, that they are mainly Freemasons. I talk about it, because he practices a ritual, after the lunch they have together. And do the bullshit, exchange their energies, for one another. The master but his left hand (the hand that takes the energy) on the left cupboard, then the other members hold hands (in some practice, they form a circle), then the master goes to oppose him to put his right hand (giving energy) on the right cupboard. In the center it has a mirror, it is said that it plays the role of the portal. Going towards the mirror a checkerboard, which narrows towards it. A checkerboard, which forms a triangle.

Note that MK-Ultra victims will then create TDIs (multiple personalities). The primary TDI, among other TDIs, completely hides the victim. I don't know if it's by decision, by choice or by fear. Or if the torture treatment does not work, the person is released. I say this because the victim I met had a normal life after childhood. What, that after the testimony, of one of the victims on the forum (I more if it is on this subject or that of the BTS), I wondered if some did not undergo it only during childhood.
As one of an alter-ego would take control of the body, if you consider it, that it is another person. Someone else's light, seeing an egregore (concentration of energy), can take control of someone's body, and will have no memory like TDI. The practice of energy exchange scares me. I have a cousin, who joined the Freemasons, and I recognized him by recognizing him, if I'm not mistaken, it was when he became a companion. Moreover, the three symbols of the apprentice, where the square (which forms the square, representing the human structure) passes in front of the compass (which forms the circle, representing the perfection of the universe (I wonder, if it does not come from meteorites, which can take a perfect ball shape)) representing matter on the mind, which is represented by the compass. Pass ties with the journeyman symbol and disappears behind the ladder at master level.

It should also be noted that an egregore, having no solid physical structure, dispersing by itself, feeds on energy.
 

130713wdydi

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First of all, I would like to clarify thing that I don't believe in MK Ultra. Not saying it doesn't exist, but I don't believe that a magnificent creation like a human is completely helpless under its control. Cuz God created us with intelligence, to be able to distinguish between right and wrong deeds,
He did. But please look into the Darpa narrative networks program. Trusting in God is very important. But knowing how s*tan deceives is just as important.
 

arhur12

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Hi, I'm back.
First of all, I would like to clarify thing that I don't believe in MK Ultra. Not saying it doesn't exist, but I don't believe that a magnificent creation like a human is completely helpless under its control. Cuz God created us with intelligence, to be able to distinguish between right and wrong deeds, so he'll hold us all together for punishing and rewarding each one for what they deserve. So, does it make sense that a mortal creation could possibly ever be powerful than his immortal creator...?!

I read articles about how these celebrities got involved into such cults. Since most of them were coming from poor families, they blindly signed their contracts for change their measurable lives. Then, after they got into the industry, they realized the fatal mistake they've done but unfortunately after it was too late. MK Ultra is including drugs, sexual practices, and more disgusting things that anyone could imagine. But hey, aren't these practices being done already by ordinary people?!

My point is the fact that the goodness or badness of someone does actually come from within, not from outside. MK Ultra is just making the badness even worst, that's why -in my opinion- there were people though all the horrible torture and mutilations they've been through, they still mangaged to break out free and lived normally. As a matter of fact, there are some K idols who had bad reputation even before their training days.

As for the reason why I'm targetting the rest of SHINEE members, is due to the fact they were witnessing everything behind the closed doors but still chose to renew their contracts as if JJONG wasn't existed at all. Shinhwa, JYJ, and even a senior group Got7 were able to restart their careers elsewhere. So, what excuses SHINee have to justify their attitude?!

SM didn't give Jonghyun that freedom because they wanted to, they did because they had to and that's what all those arguments between the two were about, he didn't like to have all that symbols in his MVs either but he had to satisfied with his exclusive free space he got until he finally get rid of his contract restriction. But eventually, as soon as his wings were ready to fly away... BOOM!

And please, don't be fooled by that foundation. It's said that it's meant to help all celebrities to improve their mental health. But the fact is that Sulli and Hara along with four/five young actors has passed away after. So, what kind of help was that...?

Speaking of Sulli, F(x) group had been neglected by sm long before Jjong's incident. And if I'm not mistaken, they had been so even before Jessica dispanded from SNSD in 2014. Poor Sulli was tortured mentally, after a very long time of hiatus she got to be active on social media which apparently didn't please some fanatic netizens who left aggressive and sexual comments under her posts. She asked SM for legal actions but they mostly deliberately ignored her shouting for help in preparation for the next stage. Her mental had more than enough of suffering all that pressure, so all what SM had to do at this point was just adding the final straw by forcing her to attend that show where she had to read the haters comments loudly in front of cameras.


As someone here claimed earlier, I never knew Jjong.
But you know what...?
I haven't been in this thread for so long, but I noticed that there is no page I move through without reading some comments; such as: "may God protect them", "may God guide them", "let's pray for their freedom" and such...
Consciously or unconsiously, we all feel sympathy for them, though everything we know they might have done. So are we more merciful than the most merciful God who's kind to his creations than a mother to her own child...?

SORRY FOR TAKING UP SO MUCH.
AND IF YOU STILL HAVE SOME MORE QUESTIONS, FEEL FREE TO ASK. ♡♡
Thanks for the reply and although I don't believe in everything you said I won't fight you over it I understand some of your frustrations towards sh1nee members but as far as I know sh1nee did want to disband after his death but it was j0nghyun's mother who convinced them to continue as a group. I watched sh1nee's from now on concert and you can tell they were clearly affected by his death. But I understand your point as well and I also have a theory that j0nghyun was sacrificed for bts's success and to save 0new. I say that bcz none of the sh1nee members except for 0new benefited from j0nghyun's death key and minho are more intrested in acting and variety while t@emin's career was adversely affected by j0nghyun's death he was promoting his repackaged album when j0nghyun died and he had to cancel alot of his activities as well
This is his performance from dec 17 a day before j0nghyun's death he was also appearing as a judge on the unit as well and he was supposed to perform on the year end award shows with the judges but it was cancelled after j0nghyun's death. Move was his best era in terms of gp popularity and he hasn't been able to replicate that kind of success after move.
The only sh1nee member who benefited from j0nghyun's death was 0new. 0new had a sexual harrassment scandal in 2017 for which he received backlash from the korean public sh1nee had to cancel all of their activities in 2017 bcz of that they were scheduled to have a tour in 2017 but after the scandal knetz demanded for 0new to be kicked out of sh1nee. there were even rumors that sh1nee would disband and it hurt j0nghyun as well alot of sh@wols observed that j0nghyun became depressed after that he looked sad and tired in his public appearances. after j0nghyun's death his scandal was swept under the rug he gained alot of sympathy from fans and knetz also warmed upto him. What surprises me the most is 0new never apologized to j0nghyun and he is also the member who mentions j0nghyun the least he did not even attend shiny foundation art festival this year yesung cancelled his schedule to attend but why couldn't 0new attend shiny festival? T@emin was supposed to enlist a day after but he still sent a message in rememberance of j0nghyun 0new did not even do that and as far as I remember he did not attend any of the shiny foundation festivals Minho attended all three key attended the first and 3rd one and T@emin attended the first one. Also in b1stro de sh1nee he had a wierd expression on his face like he felt uncomfortable seeing him he had an expression of guilt on his face while the other three members looked sad and even cried for him
Notice his expression he looks like he is scared the other 3 members look sad and tearful but he looks uncomfortable like he didn't want to see j0nghyun.
the other three members have mentioned j0nghyun in their vlives instagram accounts and interviews as well but 0new never talks about him I just find it very wierd he is supposed to be the leader and should have been the one who took the most responsibility after his death but no it's his members who had to take responsibility in his place key handles all the difficult interviews Minho and key are also the ones who mention him the most while T@emin is the one who had to carry most of jonghyun's difficult vocal parts even though 0new is the main vocalist.
 

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I also think that some of them are indoctrinated so much they don't realize that what they are doing is wrong I mean look around us there are so many people nowadays who support all of these stupid movements when an idol or a celebrity does something satanic fans glorify them instead of criticizing them we were talking about internet war performance earlier I have seen shawols praise sh1nee for being COURAGEOUS enough to do that performance they use it to brag about there favs its insane like if we go back to 10-20 years these things were actively discouraged when Britney came out with Baby one more time she faced so much backlash from conservative parents while nowadays we have parents who are trying to raise gender fluid children and most of these people are regular citizens just like us with no connections to the occult so maybe some of these celebs are just indoctrinated so much especially the ones who have been in this game since they were children that they honestly believe they are doing something right by supporting these satanic agendas
and today, even when a parent is opposed to these new trends they will bring this parent on a tv show and have a debate against a gen z or a millenial who totally agrees with these changes. Why? bc the boomer is a has-been whose ideas are outdated and freedom (a freedom that is captive, let's admit) must prevail over logic and even morals so a lot of the viewers will directly take sides with the one whose ideas are more prevalent in this generation without even questioning
 

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Thanks for the reply and although I don't believe in everything you said I won't fight you over it I understand some of your frustrations towards sh1nee members but as far as I know sh1nee did want to disband after his death but it was j0nghyun's mother who convinced them to continue as a group. I watched sh1nee's from now on concert and you can tell they were clearly affected by his death. But I understand your point as well and I also have a theory that j0nghyun was sacrificed for bts's success and to save 0new. I say that bcz none of the sh1nee members except for 0new benefited from j0nghyun's death key and minho are more intrested in acting and variety while t@emin's career was adversely affected by j0nghyun's death he was promoting his repackaged album when j0nghyun died and he had to cancel alot of his activities as well
This is his performance from dec 17 a day before j0nghyun's death he was also appearing as a judge on the unit as well and he was supposed to perform on the year end award shows with the judges but it was cancelled after j0nghyun's death. Move was his best era in terms of gp popularity and he hasn't been able to replicate that kind of success after move.
The only sh1nee member who benefited from j0nghyun's death was 0new. 0new had a sexual harrassment scandal in 2017 for which he received backlash from the korean public sh1nee had to cancel all of their activities in 2017 bcz of that they were scheduled to have a tour in 2017 but after the scandal knetz demanded for 0new to be kicked out of sh1nee. there were even rumors that sh1nee would disband and it hurt j0nghyun as well alot of sh@wols observed that j0nghyun became depressed after that he looked sad and tired in his public appearances. after j0nghyun's death his scandal was swept under the rug he gained alot of sympathy from fans and knetz also warmed upto him. What surprises me the most is 0new never apologized to j0nghyun and he is also the member who mentions j0nghyun the least he did not even attend shiny foundation art festival this year yesung cancelled his schedule to attend but why couldn't 0new attend shiny festival? T@emin was supposed to enlist a day after but he still sent a message in rememberance of j0nghyun 0new did not even do that and as far as I remember he did not attend any of the shiny foundation festivals Minho attended all three key attended the first and 3rd one and T@emin attended the first one. Also in b1stro de sh1nee he had a wierd expression on his face like he felt uncomfortable seeing him he had an expression of guilt on his face while the other three members looked sad and even cried for him
Notice his expression he looks like he is scared the other 3 members look sad and tearful but he looks uncomfortable like he didn't want to see j0nghyun.
the other three members have mentioned j0nghyun in their vlives instagram accounts and interviews as well but 0new never talks about him I just find it very wierd he is supposed to be the leader and should have been the one who took the most responsibility after his death but no it's his members who had to take responsibility in his place key handles all the difficult interviews Minho and key are also the ones who mention him the most while T@emin is the one who had to carry most of jonghyun's difficult vocal parts even though 0new is the main vocalist.
I agree with you because Onew said that he felt rivalry because Jh voice was better than him,and he was the only to see his dead body.Also he said in an interview that he feels guilty,and there were a rumours about him trying to commit suicide.Also his family is very protective,and he removed one of his instagram photo because his family didn't want he showed this image.
What i don't understand is the fact that Jh was the only member in RDD having white wings.This reminds me Jin concept in Bts,he is "different".The blood in "Y si fuera ella" is the same concept like G dragon in "coup d'etat".The marks in Lonely are like Ladies code Mv.So the things are two...or they had
both to die,or the original plan was changed.
I don't think that Ta3min has benefits because he is compared to him,he is strange and has a dark side,but i think Bts are connected to his death because Bang was inspired by Sh1nee,they were at the funeral,V photo at Sm building,V dog's name,Siwon prediction of Bts,they became successful after 2017.
 

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I have a question. If a Kpop artist or any celebs who "s0ld their s0ul" regrets it or maybe decides to repent, are they saved? Or is it like once you sell your s0ul, you can't escape anymore??
 

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I have a question. If a Kpop artist or any celebs who "s0ld their s0ul" regrets it or maybe decides to repent, are they saved? Or is it like once you sell your s0ul, you can't escape anymore??
On tik tok there is a guy who expose this stuff and said that selling your soul means that they accept to offer their body to entities.So it is a contract with entities.They could break free,but sometimes they die in this way,because the entity to break the contract ask something big,and sometimes the request is their life.
 

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im not even trying to be hostile here. i’m trying to understand your train of thought. u were insinuating something sinister. “taken advantage of” is not the same as fwb or a consensual sexual partner. so forgive me for assuming the worst perhaps u used the wrong words to describe what u mean.
Here's my hypothesis. Take it with a pinch of salt
Well, supposing there might have been something between them, it was surely the elder boy who took advantage of the situation. Surely the older one manipulated and confused the timid and inexperienced younger boy into consenting to whatever they had. Taking advantage is a broad term and grooming another or manipulation, etc all falls under this category.

While Im in this uncomfortable topic, I may just as well get ahead of myself and say Jj0ng is the one who introduced T@emin to bdsm. Watch their dorm rooms in the video below. At Timestamp 2:31 you will see Jj0ng and T@emin room.

The bdsm metal neck harness found in their room belongs to Jj0ng. Question is, why was he keeping it in the room he shared with a young religious Catholic boy who was still wearing his Catholic Chastity ring and rosary. Why J0ng? Why?

IMG_20210604_155406.jpgIMG_20210604_155302.jpg

I could not find the exact design but doesn't the above harnesses look similar to Jj0ng's?
 

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I agree with you because Onew said that he felt rivalry because Jh voice was better than him,and he was the only to see his dead body.Also he said in an interview that he feels guilty,and there were a rumours about him trying to commit suicide.Also his family is very protective,and he removed one of his instagram photo because his family didn't want he showed this image.
What i don't understand is the fact that Jh was the only member in RDD having white wings.This reminds me Jin concept in Bts,he is "different".The blood in "Y si fuera ella" is the same concept like G dragon in "coup d'etat".The marks in Lonely are like Ladies code Mv.So the things are two...or they had
both to die,or the original plan was changed.
I don't think that Ta3min has benefits because he is compared to him,he is strange and has a dark side,but i think Bts are connected to his death because Bang was inspired by Sh1nee,they were at the funeral,V photo at Sm building,V dog's name,Siwon prediction of Bts,they became successful after 2017.
yeah I agree with you about bts they weren't even close to sh1nee but they were one of the first ones to arrive on his funeral they also started to really blow up in the west after his death
I don't think 0new was planned to be sacrificed it was definitely j0nghyun who they planned to sacrifice since day 1
check this out in most of these clips they are covering for j0nghyun and this is 3-4 years before his death he was frequently absent from their promotions he did not even film for why so serious what makes me suspicious of 0new is that he did not attend any of the shiny foundation festival I expected him to send atleast a message like T@em but he did not even do that also his scandal coinciding with sh1nee's hiatus in 2017 and j0nghyun's death.He was always overshadowed by j0nghyun he was never mentioned in any of the best kpop main vocalists list while j0nghyun was recognized for his talents he was part of sm the ballad and many people outside sm wanted to collab with him for his vocals and I noticed after dcm 0new has been getting more recognition for his vocals and he has been asked for collab from IU who I also think is evil she appears so innocent in her mvs but there is something strange about her her friends keep dying her collab with suga had alot of symbolisms in it.

Now coming to T@emin now I know everyone on this sub thinks he killed j0nghyun and I also used to think like that but after watching alot of their past clips I do think j0nghyun had a close relationship with T@emin. The reason why I don't believe Ta3min received any benefits from his death was because first of all ta3min is more known for his dancing and by the time j0nghyun died he already had a well established solo career. secondly, j0nghyun was ta3min's biggest supporter j0nghyun cancelled his own concert to attend ta3min's concert he was always supporting his solo ventures he declared himself the president of t@emint fanclub or something. Early in his career when t@emin was mocked for being tone deaf and publicly shamed for not being a good singer j0nghyun mentored him when he received backlash for being the first member to debut solo j0nghyun supported him on twitter he was also the only person who spoke up against the infantilizing of t@emin by his company and everyone around him he wrote pretty boy for him he helped him get over his insecurities about being misgendered and t@emin seemed to rely on him alot he always asked for his help in his solo albums so I don't understand why t@emin would want to eliminate his biggest supporter. T@emin also supported him by attending his concerts and he also promoted base on a radio show also his reaction to the Bistro de shinee vcr felt genuine he couldn't even say goodbye and had to leave the stage to cry so I don't believe he was directly involved in j0nghyun's murder now like I used to before.
 

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yeah I agree with you about bts they weren't even close to sh1nee but they were one of the first ones to arrive on his funeral they also started to really blow up in the west after his death
I don't think 0new was planned to be sacrificed it was definitely j0nghyun who they planned to sacrifice since day 1
check this out in most of these clips they are covering for j0nghyun and this is 3-4 years before his death he was frequently absent from their promotions he did not even film for why so serious what makes me suspicious of 0new is that he did not attend any of the shiny foundation festival I expected him to send atleast a message like T@em but he did not even do that also his scandal coinciding with sh1nee's hiatus in 2017 and j0nghyun's death.He was always overshadowed by j0nghyun he was never mentioned in any of the best kpop main vocalists list while j0nghyun was recognized for his talents he was part of sm the ballad and many people outside sm wanted to collab with him for his vocals and I noticed after dcm 0new has been getting more recognition for his vocals and he has been asked for collab from IU who I also think is evil she appears so innocent in her mvs but there is something strange about her her friends keep dying her collab with suga had alot of symbolisms in it.

Now coming to T@emin now I know everyone on this sub thinks he killed j0nghyun and I also used to think like that but after watching alot of their past clips I do think j0nghyun had a close relationship with T@emin. The reason why I don't believe Ta3min received any benefits from his death was because first of all ta3min is more known for his dancing and by the time j0nghyun died he already had a well established solo career. secondly, j0nghyun was ta3min's biggest supporter j0nghyun cancelled his own concert to attend ta3min's concert he was always supporting his solo ventures he declared himself the president of t@emint fanclub or something. Early in his career when t@emin was mocked for being tone deaf and publicly shamed for not being a good singer j0nghyun mentored him when he received backlash for being the first member to debut solo j0nghyun supported him on twitter he was also the only person who spoke up against the infantilizing of t@emin by his company and everyone around him he wrote pretty boy for him he helped him get over his insecurities about being misgendered and t@emin seemed to rely on him alot he always asked for his help in his solo albums so I don't understand why t@emin would want to eliminate his biggest supporter. T@emin also supported him by attending his concerts and he also promoted base on a radio show also his reaction to the Bistro de shinee vcr felt genuine he couldn't even say goodbye and had to leave the stage to cry so I don't believe he was directly involved in j0nghyun's murder now like I used to before.
Taemin had a breakdown during Shinee japan video,he went out without telling goodbye to fans,and i think he almost fainted when they deleted the japan fansign ,so it was emotionally broken,that's why 5m didn't answered after what happened even if fans were worried,maybe Taemin himself wanted privacy considering toxic fans and how kpop is.He is considered the best dancer in kpop but not the best voice,and he has symptoms like trauma,he doesn't remember the past memories,and Jonghyun wanted Ta3min in 4things show,he wanted him during Blue night,he promoted him,he supported him,he posted on his instagram about his concert.Ta3min talked about him like he knew him well,he said that he is not like he seems and that he was worried for him for his busy schedule..Also the moment when he cried for Timoteo in "The unit"is recorded one months before Jh death,and i don't believe he was broken for Timoteo only,i think others problems pushed him to cry.
I think after reading a post about Cocktail that they had a relationship(explicit lyrics),because Ta3min song Thirsty is similar to Cocktail,and there are songs in Ta3min album about pain about loosing someone,for example Monologue,Under my skin.Also there is a part in Cocktail about someone who has glamour and is admired by others,maybe Jh was jealous because felt that Ta3min was praised(Move era),and he was scared to loose him(this is my suppositions, i am not sure about it)
About Onew could the sex scandal be an humiliation ritual?
I saw the video,he was absent a lot of times,how it is possible?And this happened before the car crash
 

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Here's my hypothesis. Take it with a pinch of salt
Well, supposing there might have been something between them, it was surely the elder boy who took advantage of the situation. Surely the older one manipulated and confused the timid and inexperienced younger boy into consenting to whatever they had. Taking advantage is a broad term and grooming another or manipulation, etc all falls under this category.

While Im in this uncomfortable topic, I may just as well get ahead of myself and say Jj0ng is the one who introduced T@emin to bdsm. Watch their dorm rooms in the video below. At Timestamp 2:31 you will see Jj0ng and T@emin room.

The bdsm metal neck harness found in their room belongs to Jj0ng. Question is, why was he keeping it in the room he shared with a young religious Catholic boy who was still wearing his Catholic Chastity ring and rosary. Why J0ng? Why?

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I could not find the exact design but doesn't the above harnesses look similar to Jj0ng's?
Wow I heard T@emin was into BDSM but I didn't know that j0ng was the one who introduced him to it now that you mention it the whole internet war performance was also about BDSM about the aggressive older guy corrupting the young pure christian boy and it was supposed to be performed by key and j0ng but they changed it at the last moment and j0ng even posted a picture with his and T@emin's hands tied on twitter after this like instead of feeling guilty for it he defended his act also j0ng was not the only person in sh1nee involved in bdsm key was aslo heavily involved in this stuff
Watch this performance he looks so evil here sh1nee were so twisted for doing this infront of a huge crowd. Also about T@emin being religious yeah he is very open about it and if this is true I feel so bad for him he was a little boy when he debuted and they used to watch p*rn infront of him and he was a CHILD a 14-15 year old boy who was also very open about being a devout christian I remember watching clips of year end award shows and T@emin was frequently filmed praying on stage he always used to wear his rosary ring he even has a song called Holy Water where he asked God to wash away his sins.
here are the lyrics of his song soldier here he also talks about washing away his sins and being kissed by a devil needing an angel's hand remember this is one of the few songs he wrote himself. What if it was Sh1nee and 5m who pushed him to become the devil's servant they were always forcing him to cross dress mocked him for his appearance they sexualized him so mush even though he said many times he did not like being misgendered. He shows so many signs of being traumatized like he went through programming. Man If this is true I hope he finds some good religious friends in the military who help him get rid of this occult mindset.
 

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Here's my hypothesis. Take it with a pinch of salt
Well, supposing there might have been something between them, it was surely the elder boy who took advantage of the situation. Surely the older one manipulated and confused the timid and inexperienced younger boy into consenting to whatever they had. Taking advantage is a broad term and grooming another or manipulation, etc all falls under this category.

While Im in this uncomfortable topic, I may just as well get ahead of myself and say Jj0ng is the one who introduced T@emin to bdsm. Watch their dorm rooms in the video below. At Timestamp 2:31 you will see Jj0ng and T@emin room.

The bdsm metal neck harness found in their room belongs to Jj0ng. Question is, why was he keeping it in the room he shared with a young religious Catholic boy who was still wearing his Catholic Chastity ring and rosary. Why J0ng? Why?

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I could not find the exact design but doesn't the above harnesses look similar to Jj0ng's?
WTH
He had this in their room?
Clearly bdsm stuff.That could explain the songs Thirsty and Slave.
 
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Here's my hypothesis. Take it with a pinch of salt
Well, supposing there might have been something between them, it was surely the elder boy who took advantage of the situation. Surely the older one manipulated and confused the timid and inexperienced younger boy into consenting to whatever they had. Taking advantage is a broad term and grooming another or manipulation, etc all falls under this category.

While Im in this uncomfortable topic, I may just as well get ahead of myself and say Jj0ng is the one who introduced T@emin to bdsm. Watch their dorm rooms in the video below. At Timestamp 2:31 you will see Jj0ng and T@emin room.

The bdsm metal neck harness found in their room belongs to Jj0ng. Question is, why was he keeping it in the room he shared with a young religious Catholic boy who was still wearing his Catholic Chastity ring and rosary. Why J0ng? Why?

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I could not find the exact design but doesn't the above harnesses look similar to Jj0ng's?
wow the deisgn is very similar and he did put it around his neck lmao ummmm. yea its a weird situation i hope taemin wasnt a minor when this happened bc that would be worse. and yes in abusive relationships of all sorts - there does tend to be a power dynamic and its typically either age or gender. interesting thoughts how did u even find this video hahahah
 

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Taemin had a breakdown during Shinee japan video,he went out without telling goodbye to fans,and i think he almost fainted when they deleted the japan fansign ,so it was emotionally broken,that's why 5m didn't answered after what happened even if fans were worried,maybe Taemin himself wanted privacy considering toxic fans and how kpop is.He is considered the best dancer in kpop but not the best voice,and he has symptoms like trauma,he doesn't remember the past memories,and Jonghyun wanted Ta3min in 4things show,he wanted him during Blue night,he promoted him,he supported him,he posted on his instagram about his concert.Ta3min talked about him like he knew him well,he said that he is not like he seems and that he was worried for him for his busy schedule..Also the moment when he cried for Timoteo in "The unit"is recorded one months before Jh death,and i don't believe he was broken for Timoteo only,i think others problems pushed him to cry.
I think after reading a post about Cocktail that they had a relationship(explicit lyrics),because Ta3min song Thirsty is similar to Cocktail,and there are songs in Ta3min album about pain about loosing someone,for example Monologue,Under my skin.Also there is a part in Cocktail about someone who has glamour and is admired by others,maybe Jh was jealous because felt that Ta3min was praised(Move era),and he was scared to loose him(this is my suppositions, i am not sure about it)
About Onew could the sex scandal be an humiliation ritual?
I saw the video,he was absent a lot of times,how it is possible?And this happened before the car crash
Yeah I used to think T@emin was the bad guy who hated j0ng but after watching their past interviews and stuff I believe they were very close to each other I don't know if they were in a relationship but they were definetly close friends and I watched 4 things show with j0nghyun and I was surprised he chose t@emin for a show like that and he said he was worried about j0nghyun that "his body was made of glass" and he talked about having a dream where they had to perform in a concert and j0nghyun wasn't there and he was anxious about it there is also a song called identity which seems to refer to his relationship with j0nghyun there are lyrics like "BASE to ACE'' which is a clear reference to both of their debut albums.
 

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wow the deisgn is very similar and he did put it around his neck lmao ummmm. yea its a weird situation i hope taemin wasnt a minor when this happened bc that would be worse. and yes in abusive relationships of all sorts - there does tend to be a power dynamic and its typically either age or gender. interesting thoughts how did u even find this video hahahah
They did not care about him being a minor when they made him cross dress for luc1fer so I wouldn't be surprised if this happened when he was a minor. Man I don't want to believe j0nghyun was the one who introduced him to this stuff bcz that means his hyungs were also involved in his grooming.
 

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They did not care about him being a minor when they made him cross dress for luc1fer so I wouldn't be surprised if this happened when he was a minor. Man I don't want to believe j0nghyun was the one who introduced him to this stuff bcz that means his hyungs were also involved in his grooming.
they r all odd everyone involved from music producers to the idols. i also think that it wasn't only jonghyun that introduced bdsm to taemin - a lot of stylists use bondage straps and buckles for outfit designs. and during mk ultra and the abuse bdsm may be used aswell. he may have adopted the bdsm fantasies from his own experiences and then it would only be encouraged and enabled by everyone around him bc if they will cross dress him up for lucifer then whats to say they didnt discourage his bdsm interests.
 
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