The New (Im)moral Majority - the "Secular Democrats of America"

Alanantic said:

"Warn those who claim, Allah has offspring".

But aren't we all God's offspring?

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No. God says be and it is.

If you made a cake would it be your offspring?

Poor analogy but you get the jist. God does not procreate.

Daze said:

No. God says be and it is.

If you made a cake would it be your offspring?

Poor analogy but you get the jist. God does not procreate.

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Isn't Life a tree? Life IS procreation. Don't go by your bronze age books and use your common sense.

Alanantic said:

Isn't Life a tree? Life IS procreation. Don't go by your bronze age books and use your common sense.

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I am a Muslim because i use my intellect. To me its common sense to reject the notion that great, great, grand dad was a monkey.
But to each their own.

Everyone worships something Alanantic. Some have a deity, others have a lover. Some worship athletes and musicians, others worship money. Some worship their own intellect.

"Have you seen he who has taken as his god his [own] desire, and Allah has sent him astray due to knowledge and has set a seal upon his hearing and his heart and put over his vision a veil? So who will guide him after Allah? Then will you not be reminded?"
(45:23 Quran)

I actually made this into a video years ago.
Ya, its amateurish, but it is 6 years old.


As for me, i worship the One who gives me food everyday. Good health, a job that i enjoy. Family, 4 walls i can call home. A vehicle i can rely on. Pretty much every tool i can imagine (tools are my "stamp collection"). (insert infinite more blessings here)

Theres just nothing i want for in this life. Granted I'm not living in a palace with servants but at the same time i see this world for the delusion that it is. Shouldn't i be thankful?

I have no desire to "sell" Islam to you. Fact is prophets walked the earth and people still denied. The Almighty himself says he can place a stairway to heaven and people would still reject.

"And [even] if We opened to them a gate from the heaven and they continued therein to ascend,"
"They would say, "Our eyes have only been dazzled. Rather, we are a people affected by magic." (15: 14-15 Quran)

Maybe it is the lack of gratitude that prevents some from belief? Allahu alim.
Islam has numerous proofs, but without Gods will, a man can't see his own hand in front of his face.

Believe as you will. If i die as a Muslim then i have succeeded.

Peace.

Wigi said:

I believe everyone should pay attention to what's currently happening with the secularization of society because all this fight against separatism and domestic terrorism has for main objectives to instill faith in governments with the scientific 'truths' it provides while assaulting faith in God.
Just look at this covid experiment, it's impossible to question the vaccine and all the decisions (lockdowns, curfews) that were approved by a scientific council. They were quick to blame place of worship when it all started and for the first time in a thousand year it was forbidden to celebrate easter inside a church.
In France they want to pass a law against 'separatism' that will give government the right to monitor religious gatherings so it's not surprising that the US is going to follow the same example and we already see what they're trying to do in California against sunday church services.

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This is definitely going to segue from transgenderism to transhumanism. Because the latter or both of them only find meaning outside of the "God equation".

Daze said:

I am a Muslim because i use my intellect. To me its common sense to reject the notion that great, great, grand dad was a monkey.
But to each their own.

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Your intellect isn't working very well then. You know how you are like your parents, but a little bit different? That's evolution. It's that exact process repeated over millions, even billions, of years. Remember, humans have only existed for 200k years or so, and all of civilization is only about 10000 years old, depending on when you count from. It's hard to grasp time scales that thousands of times greater our entire history.

Hubert said:

Your intellect isn't working very well then. You know how you are like your parents, but a little bit different? That's evolution. It's that exact process repeated over millions, even billions, of years. Remember, humans have only existed for 200k years or so, and all of civilization is only about 10000 years old, depending on when you count from. It's hard to grasp time scales that thousands of times greater our entire history.

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I think the make or break question for the godless is, if we come from apes, why are they still here? How have apes evolved the past 10 million years?

10,000 years old, 200k years existence? Looking at the current state of affairs I can reasonably argue that none of us knows what happened 100 years ago let alone 10 plus millennia.

Sure, we got "his-story" books but how accurate are they? When i see the powers that be lie about events from only a mere 20 years ago, then memory hole events on the internet and then change the text books given to the kids in school.. I have to question what goes beyond that. As should you.

Question here is how do you know what happened 10,000 years ago? Simply put, unless you physically lived then, you don't. You only know what liars on high have shared year in year out, decade in, decade out. Century in, century out. Millennia in, millennia out.


Islam has proof upon proof. But if you were interested in them, you wouldn't be here telling me how i "evolved" from my parents.
It is pointless to argue these matters as some things you will never see.

Indeed, those who disbelieve - it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them - they will not believe.
Allah has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing, and over their vision is a veil. (2: 5-6 Quran)

Peace.

Daze said:

I think the make or break question for the godless is, if we come from apes, why are they still here?

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So you really don't get it at all then. We didn't come from apes, we share a common ancestor with them. Further back, we also share a common ancestor with dogs, further still with lizards, and if you go a hell of a long way back we share an ancestor with banana trees. The evidence for this is in DNA. We share over 40% of our DNA with bananas.

Apes, and bananas, and every other creature living today are just as evolved as humans. Evolution has no aim or peak, it is just continuous change overtime. Unfortunately, you would rather cling to fairy tales and myth than actually learn about the world.

Hubert said:

So you really don't get it at all then. We didn't come from apes, we share a common ancestor with them. Further back, we also share a common ancestor with dogs, further still with lizards, and if you go a hell of a long way back we share an ancestor with banana trees. The evidence for this is in DNA. We share over 40% of our DNA with bananas.

Apes, and bananas, and every other creature living today are just as evolved as humans. Evolution has no aim or peak, it is just continuous change overtime. Unfortunately, you would rather cling to fairy tales and myth than actually learn about the world.

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Oh, my God! There's a voice of reason on this forum!

"The Human Genome project exploded the myth that man was a unique creation, proving we share DNA with rats, even the humble fruit-fly. We are less than 2% genetically different to chimpanzees. Far from being created by a god, we, as an animal, have evolved over millions of years to become what we are today." -- Kenny McGuigan

Tidal said:

Atheists and nonchristians reject Jesus who preached love and kindness, so we could say that atheists and nonchristians haven't got any morals at all because they've rejected him..

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That's a very high moral perch you're tweeting from isn't it?

Because you believe in Jesus yeah?

So do you think in a hypothetical apocalyptical scenario that Jesus would be filling his fridge and larder with extra food and wrapping his radio in tinfoil to outsmart his fellow man who will all perish in ignorance with no food or working radios?

......just like you have?

To me your kind of making the statement "I'm alright Jack"

I do appreciate you must enjoy spending large quantity of time alone but you do understand that usually after an average apocalypse the radio stations may stop broadcasting. don't you so your radio will be useless anyway.

From your moral standing I really don't think you're in a position to look down on anyone.

No offence, on with the memes old boy.

Alanantic said:

Oh, my God! There's a voice of reason on this forum!

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Don't you cuss me like that

Awoken2 said:

..So do you think in a hypothetical apocalyptical scenario that Jesus would be filling his fridge and larder with extra food and wrapping his radio in tinfoil to outsmart his fellow man who will all perish in ignorance with no food or working radios?
......just like you have?
usually after an average apocalypse the radio stations may stop broadcasting. don't you so your radio will be useless anyway..

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1- Everybody with any commonsense has already got a cupboard full of tinned food and bottled water in case the grocers shelves run empty and the tap runs dry, especially in these Covid-threatened times..

2- Likewise, survivalists have already tinfoil-protected their radios agains a solar flare or nuke EMP blast, and even if civilian stations stop broadcasting there'll probably be military public information transmissions we can pick up to keep abreast of what's going on.

"Wars, rumours of wars, false christs, earthquakes, famines, persecutions, darkened sun and moon, falling stars, shaken planets.
Pray that this will not take place in winter, because those will be days of distress unequaled from the beginning until now, and never to be equalled again.
If the Lord had not cut short those days, no one would survive.
But for the sake of the elect, whom he has chosen, he has shortened them.
Be on guard! Be alert! You do not know when that time will come.
What I say to you, I say to everyone: ‘Watch!"- Jesus of Nazareth, Mark ch 13

Hubert said:

..Evolution has no aim or peak, it is just continuous change overtime. Unfortunately, you would rather cling to fairy tales and myth than actually learn about the world.

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The final aim or peak of evolution is to spiritually evolve so that when our squishy bodies die, our souls transcend into purely spiritual beings and go to that great paradise in the sky, it's an idea that's been used in sci-fi for years..

"So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable...it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.. flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God,
in the twinkling of an eye the dead shall be raised imperishable and we shall be changed" (Bible: 1 Cor 15:42-52)

Daze said:

I am a Muslim...theres just nothing i want for in this life. Granted I'm not living in a palace with servants but at the same time i see this world for the delusion that it is. Shouldn't i be thankful?

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Christians say the same thing..

Hubert said:

So you really don't get it at all then. We didn't come from apes, we share a common ancestor with them. Further back, we also share a common ancestor with dogs, further still with lizards, and if you go a hell of a long way back we share an ancestor with banana trees. The evidence for this is in DNA. We share over 40% of our DNA with bananas.

Apes, and bananas, and every other creature living today are just as evolved as humans. Evolution has no aim or peak, it is just continuous change overtime. Unfortunately, you would rather cling to fairy tales and myth than actually learn about the world.

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So you share ancestry with dogs and lizards? Then you would agree with David Icke that there are reptilians in the White House?
As ridiculous as that sounds its even more ludicrous for man to deny his Maker.

Point blank, the proofs of God are vastly numerous, uncountable. It is interesting to sit and ponder on it. Why some people can't seem to see their own hand in front of their face? Is it indoctrination? We know they took prayer out of the schools decades ago. Then again, we had people who denied when the prophets walked.

Imagine seeing Moses split the Red sea miles across or Jesus giving life to clay pigeons. Imagine a man saying the moon will split in 2.. and then it does. Truth is people have seen these miracles in the flesh and still refused to believe. "Magic" they said.

So why is it? Why does one man believe and the next one denies? If you asked a pious man he would say God guides whomever he wills. So why does he not guide someone like you?

I'd bet if you built a house with your own hands you'd praise your own effort, yes? I'd bet if you grew some crops you'd praise your knowledge of the land and the sweat on your brow. I bet every time you go to pick up your paycheck you account all of it to your abilities.

Can you build a house without wood? Did you make the trees grow?
Can you grow food without water? Did you bring the rain?
Congrats, you made it to work. Who gave you the good health and the ability to do so?
No doubt you credit to yourself all of these things and then some.

If you want to know why some people believe and you personally don't. Ingratitude is one reason. You can't thank One whom you don't believe to exist.

I don't know what your personal situation is. I do know people like you are in the 100's of millions today, especially in China. I've heard some 700 million there are atheist. I know from an Islamic standpoint 999 humans out of every 1000 will be in the fire. So it stands to reason many are "ungrateful".

Its not just ingratitude. Arrogance, neglecting orphans and starving people, treating others poorly, oppressing people. Many things will blacken the heart and put you on the path to hell. For it is the heart that sees, not the eyes.


Life has a purpose but not everyone can see it.

Clearly you are the "voice of reason" here so I'll just let you enjoy until you reach the grave. Sadly, this is your heaven.

Peace.

Daze said:

I am a Muslim because i use my intellect. To me its common sense to reject the notion that great, great, grand dad was a monkey.
But to each their own.

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And the monkey's granddad was a ocean soup that came alive. Love science!

lightseeker said:

And the monkey's granddad was a ocean soup that came alive. Love science!

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Actually I think The Soup is always alive and always has been. All Matter is just frozen Spirit. Energy is it's liquid form. Consciousness is...Space.

"…there is evidence to suggest that our world and everything in it – from snowflakes to maple trees to falling stars and spinning electrons – are also only ghostly images, projections from a level of reality so beyond our own it is literally beyond both space and
time." -- The Holographic Universe. By Michael Talbot Harper

Alanantic said:

"You don't need religion to have morals. If you can't determine right from wrong, then you lack empathy, not religion." – AthiestRepublic.com

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By what standard do you define morality?
To a purely materialistic and secular worldview morality has no innate natural justification. If mankind if merely "matter in motion" than how do you arrive at a moral decision that does not immediately gratify your impulses?

The Agrarian said:

By what standard do you define morality?
To a purely materialistic and secular worldview morality has no innate natural justification. If mankind if merely "matter in motion" than how do you arrive at a moral decision that does not immediately gratify your impulses?

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I'm as human as you...unfortunately. We're social primates. We care about about not only ourselves, but the human tribe in general. I can understand the feelings of others. I have a conscience. You have the fucking audacity to think I'm some brutish animal that only obeys it's deepest instinct.

Alanantic said:

I'm as human as you...unfortunately. We're social primates. We care about about not only ourselves, but the human tribe in general. I can understand the feelings of others. I have a conscience. You have the fucking audacity to think I'm some brutish animal that only obeys it's deepest instinct.

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That's the No True Scotsman logical fallacy. There is no justification for morality without God other than the no true scotsman. eg "No true human would do that!" I wouldn't do it because humans just don't do that!. Yeah thats a logical fallacy. In the materialist/empiracist/sceptic paradigm, there is no justification for morality, just like there's no justification for logic, purpose, the self, causality, etc, because none of these things come from sensory perception. I understand you believe in some form of spirit or intelligent principle but don't like to call it God perhaps. But without that, yes there's no basis for morality at all, if we are just monkeys