Westminster London Attacks - Similar to French attacks on St Bastilles day?

Corvus Corax said:

No one knows why.

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I kind of think it may have something to do with him being a soldier of ISIS.

Then they should show his shouty "I'll die for the cause" you tube video, or whatever kind of note he left.

Thunderian said:

A big problem we face in today's world is Islamic terror. We should not be denying this, but for some reason, we are. Suicide bombings, vehicle attacks like we've seen in Europe, military attacks, etc. This is not just a problem in western countries, either, for there are these kinds of attacks in Muslim countries regularly that we don't hear about in our news media. When it happens in London, or Boston, or Paris, or anywhere that isn't close to a place with -stan or -bad at the end of the name of a nearby city, several things happen.

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We've massively overreacted to this 'terrorism'. Even if it were real, compromising basic liberties for safety is NOT acceptable.

First, the board here pronounces it a false flag.

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There are people creating entire compilation videos just exposing the non-stop hoaxing. Yes, there are false flags, alright. Give up your guns, America, the crisis actors are after you!

The news media reports everything it can, without checking anything

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I think they're outright complicit. There's no way any sort of intelligent reporter taking his/her task at all seriously would just relay info without checking facts. This is journalism 101.

And finally, the politicians come out and tell us that Islam is a religion of peace and that these terror attacks do not reflect Islam. Muslims start telling us that these terrorists aren't real Muslims, and that the Quran says that all life is precious. You can tick these things off on your fingers as they occur, because we have gone through this dozens of times in the last few years.

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The Muslims are doing a terrible job with the whole 'religion of peace' thing. However, the vast majority of Muslims are obviously peaceful and not terrorists. I don't have a positive opinion of Islam but they're not all terrorists or wanting to destroy the West or whatever other absurd things some people imagine. Hypocritical and weak-spined seems more accurate, in many situations (I still remember Muhammad Crisis in Denmark with the flag burnings).

I follow a lot of middle eastern news sources and there are almost constant updates on large attacks that never make it on the radar over here. Five people dead in London. Lord almighty! Light a candle! Change your Facebook profile to the colours of that nation's flag and for the love of humanity, #PrayForWhoeverItWasThatJustGotAttacked. You know what I mean, right? But on any given day there could be dozens killed in Afghanistan, Turkey or Iraq, and we never hear about it. Twenty people were killed just last month in a suicide attack in Kabul, but I don't remember any vigils. Fifty were killed by a suicide bomber last year in Turkey, but there wasn't round the clock coverage on CNN.

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... which is also why we should never have accepted the NWO. It is a morally chickening out. The "Patriot Act" (hah!) and everything else needs to be revoked. Not that I expect these people to respect the laws anyway, but still.

And on it goes. The point is that Islamic terror is undoubtedly a thing, and it's much, MUCH worse in Islamic countries. To deny that it exists, or believe that it's all just false flags, or that the people who are committing these things are just a small radical fringe is not doing justice to reality.

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Yes, I don't think every single attack is a false flag. If you investigate the attacks in the US, however, it becomes clear that things are not what they seem and we are not being told the truth. Sandy Hook in particular has false flag written all over it, in capitalized letters. Orlando is completely obvious, as well. I'd even be willing to imagine many of the attacks in the ME you mention are not what they appear to be though casualities may be real.

Second question, for those who don't like what Trump is doing: If the program up until now by American presidents has been to bomb and invade, while at the same time repeating the mantra "religion of peace, religion of peace", why wouldn't you support a US president whose policy is not to kill indiscriminate numbers of Muslims in the middle east, but to identify the radical terrorists who undoubtedly exist among the innocent followers of Islam in those places, and prevent them from coming to America, too? If America is a place worth emigrating to -- because it's safe and prosperous, and a good place to start a new life -- why would you not support a program and a president that intends to keep it that way?

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The US has the right to implement 'racist' policies if it so chooses. The rest of the world then has the right to choose to isolate/boycott the US if they don't like it.

I mean, all we hear is that Trump's immigration policy is racist, anti-Muslim, etc, but no one ever addresses why anyone even wants to come to America. Do you think it's maybe because they can have a much better chance at life in the US than they can wherever it is they are coming from? Would they prefer, do you think, that America become just another Sunni vs Shia battleground, like most of the middle east has become?

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Most Muslims are guilty of not overthrowing their corrupt, authoritarian leadership. They then choose to flee to the comfort of the West instead of taking the reins and instigating revolution, thus basically failing to take responsibility for their own country and culture. Muslims are complicit in keeping their corrupt systems going while Westerners are complicit in keeping their own corrupt, fake-news-induced systems going. Everything is a farce. Government is the problem - everywhere. The richest 1% that we're told of - who else knows what exists? - own more than half the total wealth. This simple fact should cause people everywhere to rise up and overthrow the entire system tomorrow, but it somehow doesn't happen - yet.

Please explain why keeping terrorists out of the US is a bad thing.

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99.9999% of the people wanting to emigrate to the US are not terrorists. By your own logic above, you are permitting draconian, orwellian intrusions on privacy and basic civil rights to prevent a tiny little issue, much of which is not even real (false flags).

There are no good Muslims, except bad Muslims .

Sunnyfield said:

There are no good Muslims, except bad Muslims .

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Seriously?
What's that about, except to spread hate and division?

Thunderian said:

Almost every US president that I can remember (and I remember Jimmy Carter) has attacked Muslim countries in varying degrees, from bombing runs like Clinton and Obama were fond of, to full-blown invasions like both Bushes preferred.





First, those who deny that Islamic terror is actually a thing that exists and needs to be dealt with, how do you account for the years and years of radical Islamic terror that has been taking place in the middle east, for the imams who preach this evil brand of Islam, and for the thousands and thousands of young Muslim men and women who have come from all over the world to fight for ISIS and other Islamic terror groups? Is this all an Illuminati front? Are all these radical Muslims Mossad agents? Please walk me through what YOU think is really going on.

Second question, for those who don't like what Trump is doing: If the program up until now by American presidents has been to bomb and invade, while at the same time repeating the mantra "religion of peace, religion of peace", why wouldn't you support a US president whose policy is not to kill indiscriminate numbers of Muslims in the middle east, but to identify the radical terrorists who undoubtedly exist among the innocent followers of Islam in those places, and prevent them from coming to America, too? If America is a place worth emigrating to -- because it's safe and prosperous, and a good place to start a new life -- why would you not support a program and a president that intends to keep it that way?

I mean, all we hear is that Trump's immigration policy is racist, anti-Muslim, etc, but no one ever addresses why anyone even wants to come to America. Do you think it's maybe because they can have a much better chance at life in the US than they can wherever it is they are coming from? Would they prefer, do you think, that America become just another Sunni vs Shia battleground, like most of the middle east has become? Please explain why keeping terrorists out of the US is a bad thing.

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First, if you can't see how attacking Muslim countries in varying degrees since the 70s might cause people to hate you, there isn't much hope for you.

Think if you were a Yemeni man who is desperately trying to keep his family from starving, only to have them killed in an air strike or drone attack, with MADE in US on the side of the bomb. (The SEALs just massacred some children and are hailed as heroes).

Trump isn't just targeting "terrorists" anyway, it's the opposite.
https://theintercept.com/2017/03/26/trumps-war-on-terror-has-quickly-become-as-barbaric-and-savage-as-he-promised/

Daddy Trump is not going to keep you safe, in fact, we have never been in more danger.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/mar/26/intelligence-services-access-whatsapp-amber-rudd-westminster-attack-encrypted-messaging

Another excuse to snoop on the citizens...

Sunnyfield said:

There are no good Muslims, except bad Muslims .

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You do realise people are just ignore the drivel you're spreading. Take your negativity elsewhere. Every post I see from you is always rude or unhelpful.

You're not welcome on this thread as long as you continue to spread hate.

C YA !

lots of love, a 'terrible' Muslim

Just in case people think terrorism happens in the west, here's an article regarding a recent car bomb in Iraq

I don't see # prayforIraq trending on social media or the news...double standards really, we're all affected by this terror not just the west

For those who think IS represent Islam, why would they be killing other Muslims so mercilessly?

SkepticCat said:

The US has the right to implement 'racist' policies if it so chooses

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Racial discrimination is against the constitution and American values.

SkepticCat said:

99.9999% of the people wanting to emigrate to the US are not terrorists. By your own logic above, you are permitting draconian, orwellian intrusions on privacy and basic civil rights to prevent a tiny little issue, much of which is not even real (false flags).

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True

Haich said:

we're all affected by this terror not just the west

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Yes, it's a terrible problem for all affected. The west isn't the only target.

I hope this has not been posted yet in the 12 pages of posts (did not want to get bogged down reading 233 posts!)
Enjoy the snark.

Lady said:

I hope this has not been posted yet in the 12 pages of posts (did not want to get bogged down reading 233 posts!)
Enjoy the snark.

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hah good video

TMT said:

First, if you can't see how attacking Muslim countries in varying degrees since the 70s might cause people to hate you, there isn't much hope for you.

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I didn't attack anyone and I don't generally support the kind of military action we have seen the US take in the Middle East.

Are you saying that Islamic terror is justified?

Haich said:

For those who think IS represent Islam, why would they be killing other Muslims so mercilessly?

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It would hardly be the first time Muslims have killed other Muslims. Despite what the media would have us believe, most Muslims who have died by violence have been killed by other Muslims. Just look at the war between Iran and Iraq. A million Muslims dead on both sides. Look at the conflict between Sunni and Shia that's been raging for hundreds of years. The argument that a Muslim wouldn't kill another Muslim doesn't fly at all.

ISIS represents a facet of Islam that has been around for centuries, and the sooner we all agree on that the better. Saying they have nothing to do with Islam and then turning around like TMT and saying that they have a point isn't solving the problem, is it?

Thunderian said:

It would hardly be the first time Muslims have killed other Muslims. Despite what the media would have us believe, most Muslims who have died by violence have been killed by other Muslims. Just look at the war between Iran and Iraq. A million Muslims dead on both sides. Look at the conflict between Sunni and Shia that's been raging for hundreds of years. The argument that a Muslim wouldn't kill another Muslim doesn't fly at all.

ISIS represents a facet of Islam that has been around for centuries, and the sooner we all agree on that the better. Saying they have nothing to do with Islam and then turning around like TMT and saying that they have a point isn't solving the problem, is it?

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If you read my post clearly, you would see I'm referring ISIS/Daeesh. So your point about sects fighting isn't relevant nor is it new, all religions have conflict within in them and most of it is political and cultural differences. Shias and Sunnis have been fighting to regain majority rule, this is not an Islamic issue, it is a political and cultural issue. When they come into power they ethnically cleanse the minority a bit similar to the Pashtuns (sunnis) and Hazaras (Shias) in Afghanistan.

ISIS does not represent a facet of Islam, don't confuse yourself with the Wahabism of Saudi Arabia which has been around for centuries.

They're not called ISIS they're called Daeesh and they are a politically driven force using Islam as a front to justify their war and bloodshed. They use Islam and the Quran to make this political war halal and they're kidding themselves because everything they stand for and do is against Islam.

So when two Islamic sects -- Sunni and Shia -- fight each other for centuries and it results in millions of deaths, it's political and cultural and has nothing to do with Islam?

Predominantly yes, they use Islam to justify their political agendas

Where does it say kill civilians and ethnically cleanse people in Islam ?