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Well every single one except yours obviously.....it's all part of the package. I'm sure even you can see that by now?......... How old are you again?.....Over 70 I'm sure you've claimed?
Is Religion A Form Of Mind Control?
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Tidal said- Depends which religion you're talking about.
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Yes mate I'm 72, one of the "Rock Legend" generation but I'm still not as old as Jagger, Wyman, Richard, McCartney, Ringo etc..
Hey, Bear Grylls calls himself "Born Survivor" but he's only 46 so he's still got 26 years to go before he catches up with me..
As for your claim about Christianity being "all part of the package" of other religions, NAH no way hozay!
All the founders of other religions are corpses in boxes somewhere but Jesus is not, spot the difference?
Here's a sensational vid of me under my wargaming name "PoorOldSpike", note the supremely confident Christian body language, do I look "controlled" to you?..
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Yes mate I'm 72, one of the "Rock Legend" generation but I'm still not as old as Jagger, Wyman, Richard, McCartney, Ringo etc..
Hey, Bear Grylls calls himself "Born Survivor" but he's only 46 so he's still got 26 years to go before he catches up with me..
As for your claim about Christianity being "all part of the package" of other religions, NAH no way hozay!
All the founders of other religions are corpses in boxes somewhere but Jesus is not, spot the difference?
Here's a sensational vid of me under my wargaming name "PoorOldSpike", note the supremely confident Christian body language, do I look "controlled" to you?..
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Those who call themselves the “bloodline families” are the masterminds and infiltrators behind all mainstream religions. I wonder if their secrets will ever be fully revealed publicly.
The King James Bible was the first occult tome compiled and edited specifically for mass consumption. That’s only the beginning, however. Almost anything valid or constructive ever found within many of the world’s oldest religious texts has been corrupted or disguised as something opposite, with the intention of inviting the unwitting masses to “cast spells” on themselves, so to speak, which is not some magical fantastical Disney fairy tale spell-casting concept like they would have us believe. It’s simply investing one’s personal energy into a system of symbols that are actually a set of unconscious instructions, which is very similar to a computer programming language.
The King James Bible was the first occult tome compiled and edited specifically for mass consumption. That’s only the beginning, however. Almost anything valid or constructive ever found within many of the world’s oldest religious texts has been corrupted or disguised as something opposite, with the intention of inviting the unwitting masses to “cast spells” on themselves, so to speak, which is not some magical fantastical Disney fairy tale spell-casting concept like they would have us believe. It’s simply investing one’s personal energy into a system of symbols that are actually a set of unconscious instructions, which is very similar to a computer programming language.
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I have nothing to do with Copeland.
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An excellent answer to the OP here by Mark Passio
After frequenting these boards for a couple of years now and seeing the daily back and forth religious arguments going absolutely nowhere I have to agree with Mark, the answer to my question is affirmative.
After frequenting these boards for a couple of years now and seeing the daily back and forth religious arguments going absolutely nowhere I have to agree with Mark, the answer to my question is affirmative.
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My great-great uncle had an early experience of God, but a man coming back from WW1 crushed his childhood faith. For the next 70 years he would bang on about religion being “bunkum”.
I heard similar arguments to Passio being rehashed in my home between him and my parents, long before I had any idea what he was talking about!
I grew up in an unusual home (though I didn’t realise at the time). My parents both became Christians when I was very young and I was able to see the change in them first hand. They studied the Bible because they believed it was true and prayed for things because they believed God listened. I saw a good many miracles before my teen years had finished.
Someone I care about was recently incredulous that man was created from the dust of the earth. I thought about if for a few weeks and realised that Evolutionists believe the same thing. The difference is that an Atheist MUST credit the dust and its surrounding conditions with the creation of life. Believing the “scientific” consensus that makes sure that is the only account on offer would seem to me to be the very definition of mind control.
But that’s just me ;-)
“The Scopes ‘Monkey Trial’ Revisited” - An invitation to examine both sides of the origins debate
[Edit] This heated presentation by Dr James Tour reflects the closed shop of Evolutionary science. His response is as incisive as it is scathing! I found something I wrote years ago... “Earlier this century the famous Scopes "Monkey" Trial proved to be a turning point in science education...
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As to the mind control aspect, I am sure there are a full spectrum of religions and philosophies that suit that description.
In a book I am reading at the moment, there is a scene where a psychologist of the 20th century atheistic type (think “Beyond Freedom and Dignity by B.F. Skinner) finds the organisation he has been working for in collapse. The description of his mental and spiritual condition is very well observed...
~ That Hideous Strength, C.S. Lewis
In a book I am reading at the moment, there is a scene where a psychologist of the 20th century atheistic type (think “Beyond Freedom and Dignity by B.F. Skinner) finds the organisation he has been working for in collapse. The description of his mental and spiritual condition is very well observed...
“Frost had left the dining room a few minutes after Wither. He did not know where he was going or what he was about to do. For many years he had theoretically believed that all which appears in the mind as motive or intention is merely a by-product of what the body is doing. But for the last year or so–since he had been initiated–he had begun to taste as fact what he had long held as theory.
Increasingly, his actions had been without motive. He did this and that, he said thus and thus, and did not know why. His mind was a mere spectator. He could not understand why that spectator should exist at all. He resented its existence, even while assuring himself that resentment also was merely a chemical phenomenon. The nearest thing to a human passion which still existed in him was a sort of cold fury against all who believed in the mind. There was no tolerating such an illusion. There were not, and must not be, such things as men. But never, until this evening, had he been quite so vividly aware that the body and its movements were the only reality, that the self which seemed to watch the body leaving the dining room and setting out for the chamber of the Head, was a nonentity. How infuriating that the body should have power thus to project a phantom self!
Thus the Frost whose existence Frost denied watched his body go into the ante-room, watched it pull up sharply at the sight of a naked and bloodied corpse. The chemical reaction called shock occurred. Frost stopped, turned the body over, and recognised Straik. A moment later his flashing pince-nez and pointed beard looked into the room of the Head itself. He hardly noticed that Wither and Filostrato lay there dead. His attention was fixed by something more serious. The bracket where the Head ought to have been was empty: the metal ring twisted, the rubber tubes tangled and broken. Then he noticed a head on the floor; stooped and examined it. It was Filostrato’s. Of Alcasan’s head he found no trace, unless some mess of broken bones beside Filostrato’s were it. Still not asking what he would do or why, Frost went to the garage.
The whole place was silent and empty; the snow was thick on the ground by this. He came up with as many petrol tins as he could carry. He piled all the inflammables he could think of together in the Objective Room. Then he locked himself in by locking the outer door of the ante-room. Whatever it was that dictated his actions then compelled him to push the key into the speaking tube which communicated with the passage. When he had pushed it as far in as his fingers could reach, he took a pencil from his pocket and pushed with that. Presently he heard the clink of the key falling on the passage floor outside. That tiresome illusion, his consciousness, was screaming to protest; his body, even had he wished, had no power to attend to those screams. Like the clockwork figure he had chosen to be, his stiff body, now terribly cold, walked back into the Objective Room, poured out the petrol and threw a lighted match into the pile. Not till then did his controllers allow him to suspect that death itself might not after all cure the illusion of being a soul–nay, might prove the entry into a world where that illusion raged infinite and unchecked.
Escape for the soul, if not for the body, was offered him. He became able to know (and simultaneously refused the knowledge) that he had been wrong from the beginning, that souls and personal responsibility existed. He half saw: he wholly hated. The physical torture of the burning was not fiercer than his hatred of that. With one supreme effort he flung himself back into his illusion. In that attitude eternity overtook him as sunrise in old tales overtakes and turns them into unchangeable stone.”
Increasingly, his actions had been without motive. He did this and that, he said thus and thus, and did not know why. His mind was a mere spectator. He could not understand why that spectator should exist at all. He resented its existence, even while assuring himself that resentment also was merely a chemical phenomenon. The nearest thing to a human passion which still existed in him was a sort of cold fury against all who believed in the mind. There was no tolerating such an illusion. There were not, and must not be, such things as men. But never, until this evening, had he been quite so vividly aware that the body and its movements were the only reality, that the self which seemed to watch the body leaving the dining room and setting out for the chamber of the Head, was a nonentity. How infuriating that the body should have power thus to project a phantom self!
Thus the Frost whose existence Frost denied watched his body go into the ante-room, watched it pull up sharply at the sight of a naked and bloodied corpse. The chemical reaction called shock occurred. Frost stopped, turned the body over, and recognised Straik. A moment later his flashing pince-nez and pointed beard looked into the room of the Head itself. He hardly noticed that Wither and Filostrato lay there dead. His attention was fixed by something more serious. The bracket where the Head ought to have been was empty: the metal ring twisted, the rubber tubes tangled and broken. Then he noticed a head on the floor; stooped and examined it. It was Filostrato’s. Of Alcasan’s head he found no trace, unless some mess of broken bones beside Filostrato’s were it. Still not asking what he would do or why, Frost went to the garage.
The whole place was silent and empty; the snow was thick on the ground by this. He came up with as many petrol tins as he could carry. He piled all the inflammables he could think of together in the Objective Room. Then he locked himself in by locking the outer door of the ante-room. Whatever it was that dictated his actions then compelled him to push the key into the speaking tube which communicated with the passage. When he had pushed it as far in as his fingers could reach, he took a pencil from his pocket and pushed with that. Presently he heard the clink of the key falling on the passage floor outside. That tiresome illusion, his consciousness, was screaming to protest; his body, even had he wished, had no power to attend to those screams. Like the clockwork figure he had chosen to be, his stiff body, now terribly cold, walked back into the Objective Room, poured out the petrol and threw a lighted match into the pile. Not till then did his controllers allow him to suspect that death itself might not after all cure the illusion of being a soul–nay, might prove the entry into a world where that illusion raged infinite and unchecked.
Escape for the soul, if not for the body, was offered him. He became able to know (and simultaneously refused the knowledge) that he had been wrong from the beginning, that souls and personal responsibility existed. He half saw: he wholly hated. The physical torture of the burning was not fiercer than his hatred of that. With one supreme effort he flung himself back into his illusion. In that attitude eternity overtook him as sunrise in old tales overtakes and turns them into unchangeable stone.”
~ That Hideous Strength, C.S. Lewis
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This is just me.....I'll keep it briefMy great-great uncle had an early experience of God, but a man coming back from WW1 crushed his childhood faith. For the next 70 years he would bang on about religion being “bunkum”.
I heard similar arguments to Passio being rehashed in my home between him and my parents, long before I had any idea what he was talking about!
I grew up in an unusual home (though I didn’t realise at the time). My parents both became Christians when I was very young and I was able to see the change in them first hand. They studied the Bible because they believed it was true and prayed for things because they believed God listened. I saw a good many miracles before my teen years had finished.
Someone I care about was recently incredulous that man was created from the dust of the earth. I thought about if for a few weeks and realised that Evolutionists believe the same thing. The difference is that an Atheist MUST credit the dust and its surrounding conditions with the creation of life. Believing the “scientific” consensus that makes sure that is the only account on offer would seem to me to be the very definition of mind control.
But that’s just me ;-)
“The Scopes ‘Monkey Trial’ Revisited” - An invitation to examine both sides of the origins debate
[Edit] This heated presentation by Dr James Tour reflects the closed shop of Evolutionary science. His response is as incisive as it is scathing! I found something I wrote years ago... “Earlier this century the famous Scopes "Monkey" Trial proved to be a turning point in science education...www.vigilantcitizenforums.com
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As things stand, I ain't changing my mind. You see I feel I'm in this advantageous position because I know I do what I do for the right reasons. I have good intentions. So even if God does exist, which I don't believe he does, he will "judge me" on my actions and intentions and not on whether I believe he exists or not because if he has been witness to my.life he will have a full understanding of how I came to my.own conclusions.
That maybe but...
Psalm 14 1The fool says in his heart,
“There is no God.”
They are corrupt; their acts are vile.
There is no one who does good.
2The LORD looks down from heaven
upon the sons of men
to see if any understand,
if any seek God.
3All have turned away,
they have together become corrupt;
there is no one who does good,
not even one.
“There is no God.”
They are corrupt; their acts are vile.
There is no one who does good.
2The LORD looks down from heaven
upon the sons of men
to see if any understand,
if any seek God.
3All have turned away,
they have together become corrupt;
there is no one who does good,
not even one.
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Let me start with a disclaimer, there's 18 pages in this thread, i have not read them so my post might be redundant.
I am probably more conspiratorial then you are "Awoke". I don't trust anything coming out of the establishment. With this in mind the statement "religion being opium for the masses" has credibility. For the powers that be it is easy to write a book and say "this is from god, now obey."
I think you and me can both agree we live in an age of deception with a liar on every corner. Its difficult to prove water is wet these days let alone arguing religion, which for billions of people is faith and nothing more.
Islam has proofs but its not why I'm making this post. Fact is people disbelieved when the prophets walked. Jesus (as) brought clay birds to life and Muhammad (saw) split the moon in 2, yet people still disbelieved. They said "magic" and nothing more. I do believe there is a verse in the Quran that states stairs to heaven could appear and people would still disbelieve calling it "magic".
Its worth acknowledging there are people whose hearts are sealed and will never believe regardless.
Well, let me get more specific.
Have you heard of Pascals wager? The theory is a man spends his life in worship and God never existed. He dies, disappears into the earth. Decays and is never more. What did this man lose/gain? Other then some time / energy nothing really.
On the other hand God does exist and this same man who spent his life in worship meets the Almighty on the day of reckoning. He's saved because he did what God asked him to do. Compare this to the disbeliever.
If there is no god and the disbeliever never worships, he has the same ending as the believing man. Little more then worm food.
Yet if God does exist and this disbeliever didn't do a single act of worship, then he has an eternity of torment coming as depicted in the 3 Abrahamic faiths.
So when you say you're in an advantageous position?... The disbeliever has nothing what so ever to benefit from. Either he's worm food and barely a memory or in extreme torture for the rest of his existence.
As a comparison, the Prophet of Islam said our fire is 1/70th of the fire of hell. One seventy-ith is a fraction of a fraction.
I'm not trying to sell "Islam" to you. Just saying our fire is like a cold drink of water compared to the fire of hell according to Prophet Muhammad (saw). If this is real, extreme torture will be a reality.
The way i see it, God sent down the Torah (Moses), Injeel (Jesus) and the Quran (Muhammad). 3 paths giving direction.
Let me give you my "factory" analogy.
Say I own a factory and I give you a job with a handbook. However, you never show up to work. You even tell people my factory doesn't exist. Still, you collect a check week after week.
Are you liable for a raise? Should i promote you?
Whether you acknowledge it or not our food is provided. Our health is a blessing, our family, job, wife/husband. Home, transportation, ect, ect, ect. We have countless blessings, ie a "pay check". Yet when you deny the "Employers" existence..
How well do you think God will "judge" you when you never showed up a single day to do your job?
3 books, 3 paths were sent down. If ignoring them was acceptable, why send them to begin with? Do you think God will judge you favorably? If you were the factory owner would you promote the disbeliever, or would you fire him?
This post is mostly rhetorical. Meant for self reflection. Like i said, you can't argue religion, especially in these times when the trust has been removed.
Food for thought, I've never been an Atheist (الحمد لله) but how do you explain the millions of stories with people having "paranormal" experiences? Surely there is an unseen world?
I don't intend to "sell" you Islam because truth is everyone thinks they have the one and only truth. If they didn't they'd convert. If a Hindu didn't think worshiping Kali was gonna take him to heaven, he wouldn't do it.
Me and you are alike in that we think, we're both "awake". Should Man question religion? Absolutely. We need to look for proofs. While some faiths have more then others.
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MAN MADE religion is an form of mind control. There is no doubt Catholicism has been used to control people. Only a man made religion would tell people to turn the other cheek. However, to say that all religion is an form of mind control implies that there is no correct religion and God left us to wander blindly unless you don't believe in God then that is another discussion all together. The ironic thing is, those who claim to not be religious follow some type of ideology or form of so called "spirituality" themselves. Also the idea that more people have died in the cause of God than any other cause is nonsense and has no data to support it. The Encyclopedia of Wars mentions that out of all the known wars in history that religion was only the cause in 7 percent of the conflicts.
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You mention that people say that you must believe in "their God". If you actually analyze different religions critically you will see that pretty much all religions believe in an God who is the creator. The problem is every religion besides Islam believes others should be worshipped alongside the creator in some form. Whether that is by calling upon them directly or by attributing human deficiencies to Him. Your comment implies that its only religion that causes war. As I have mentioned only a small percentage of wars have been caused by religion. Furthermore, other ideologies that are not religions lead to the same problems that you have blamed religion for. For example those who claim to be liberal and oppose religion also fight in the name of liberalism. Look at Operation Iraqi freedom for example where America forced liberal ideals on the Iraqi people in the name of imperialism. The United Nations also place economic sanctions on some countries that try to rule by Islamic law and if they still don't listen then they fight them. How many were killed in the name of eugenics? People who are liberal will say that those who follow religion are wrong and only they are right, hence they are doing the same thing they claim religious people do! Hypocrisy at its finest!
A lot of people act as if eliminating religions would resolve the conflict in the world and we would all be living in peace. As if there would not be one political ideology against another political ideology and one moral philosophy against another philosophy. Religious extremists are not representative of an entire faith. Muslims and Christians lived in harmony for hundreds of years in the past. The biggest conflict I see today is not between people who follow religion but left vs right, republican vs democrat etc and one race vs another race.
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Greetings! Wow, what an excellent, well written, FACTUAL, genuine, honest, raw & blunt post! Mainstream America would immediately label your opinions as “controversial, “ which is what they tend to label ANY free-thinker’s ideas and thoughts. Controversial? Why? Because your post challenges the clearly brainwashed status quo! I have the same beliefs as you do, as well as the same opinions that I can back up as “facts.” No person in the history of the Earth has EVER died, and returned back to planet Earth to tell us “mortals” what those two quite theatrical places called “heaven” and “hell” are like due to their firsthand experience being there! Until that happens, my opinion is that religion was created by MAN to control people. Ever hear the quote “religion is the opiate of the masses?!” I have, and I agree!! I have never read the Bible am about as interested in it as I am having a monitor lizard for a loving pet! It’s a sexist, homophobic, old fashioned book written by heterosexual white guy (s). “God” didn’t write it! AND, then it was “revised.” Yeah, okay there. How the heck did Mary remain a VIRGIN after she gave birth to Jesus Christ with Joseph?! That sounds insanely impossible and puritanical to me! Some sexist, oppressive to women guy made that nonsense up to subconsciously get in people’s minds that if a woman “loses her virginity” it’s a bad thing. But Mary, oh she mysteriously remained “a.virgin” even after magically becoming pregnant without having sexual intercourse with Joseph! (Incredible)! The Bullcrap story of Adam and Eve was obviously made up too. (One person told me that us women’s “punishment” for Eve’s “wrongdoings” is that women are paid back with having to deal with a monthly menstrual cycle)! I call that ridiculous comment total lame garbage!! Yeah, blame us women for everything! Yes, a horrendous number of people have lost their lives fighting others with “my god is the real deal! Your good is false! Then there are the Muslims who loathe America (why the hell do they insist on moving to Westernized countries when they truly are against our way of life?!?!) They so nicely try to force non-Muslims convert to their beliefs (Islam is actually an ideology) or they threaten to behead the unlucky victim who they’ve most likely kidnapped, or whose village they’ve pillaged! That is so disrespectful to push a religion on someone who is quite content living their life, and believing what they choose to believe. My motto is: “do as you will, live and let live, and hurt no one, but if someone tries to hurt you for no reason, show no mercy and kick their a**!!! Thanks for your post; we think quite similarly. You ARE a good person, and people threatening us saying that we’re going to go to “hell” are just trying to control & silence us. That’s the best they can do???? Haha!!! Pathetic!! I’m so grateful my parents didn’t have me baptized or shove religion down my throat when I was growing up! It feels great to be free! Enjoy!! Cheers!!
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Why do
You claim "spirituality" is not an religion. However, many people who believe in spirituality are following the ideas of other humans such as Alice Bailey, H.V Blavatsky, Benjamin Creme and others they just don't realize where their ideas have came from. Those who believe in vibrational energy, collective consciousness, reincarnation etc, etc, clearly do believe in an religion. Changing the word religion to "spirituality" does not change what it is. What is your understanding of spirtuality?
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Yes, science is not an religion if you mean PRACTICAL science. However, when someone clings fanatically to THEORITCAL science and considers others backwards if they don't believe in it then it most definitely IS an religion. Look at Bertland Russel's book the Impact of Science on society and it becomes clear that there is an agenda to replace old religions with a new religion in the form of theoretical science. Practical science is to believe in cellular biology, mitochondria, chemical elements etc. Things that can actually be observed and quantified. Theoretical science is to believe that fish turned into birds, and that the universe came from a big bang. There is no observable evidence for this, nor can it be repeated, hence it is nothing but an theory. Therefore, believing in it and attacking those who don't and considering them to be backwards is akin to adhering to an religious doctrine. Scientists are modern day priests in lab coats to some people and peer reviewed science journals are their holy scriptures.
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Why was that somebody incredulous that we were created from the dust of the earth? It’s not demeaning. It was God’s way of binding us to our habitat but also fitting us for it. I mean, think about it for a minute. All the chemicals/minerals that our body requires are all found in the natural world(earth), zinc, potassium, iron, you name it. When our body runs out of those vital substances, they are as easily replenished.
If we had been made out of some magic cosmic dust, whose chemical composition is unrecognized by earth’s, how would we be able to perfectly exist and replicate our species on planet earth? We would simply die out.
Besides, people will always find something to complain about. If we hadn’t been made out of the dust, they would still complain that we were made out of something else other than dust!
If that is so, there remains the problem of man’s spiritual-self. This innate desire to reach out and commune with a Being higher than himself. Care to reconcile the disparity?
(far from irreligious) modern man simply changed his old gods and priests for new ones~ Foucault
Today, most people are too sophisticated to bow down before a statue of a frog (yet this hardly means that humans, even secular humans, don’t worship something: money, power, sex, themselves, rock stars, actors, politicians. Whatever we love the most, whatever we focus most of our attention on, whatever we live for, that is what we worship. And, warned secular author David Foster Wallace, if you worship the wrong thing, it “will eat you alive.”
And if, again, religion is mind control then I guess TPTB just exchanged one form of mind control for another. I wonder why secular scientists are so desperate to rid man of his spiritual self by creating things like “FunVax” {fundamentalist vaccine}…
Scientists Use Brain Stimulation to ‘Make You Stop Believing in God’ - The Daily Sheeple
A bizarre experiment claims to be able to make Christians no longer believe in God and make Britons open their arms to migrants in experiments some may find a threat to their values…
www.thedailysheeple.com
In 1917 Rudolf Steiner Foresaw a Vaccine that Would 'Drive All Inclination Toward Spirituality Out of People’s Souls'
Dylan Charles - Nearly 100 years ago, Steiner foresaw a future when vaccines could be used to control people by disconnecting them.
www.wakingtimes.com
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Going to hazard a guess that Ricky is no stranger to 'hoping' to his 'conscious' that scary thing #200 works out okay? He'd obviously not admit that when he's extremely worried about something, he privately 'hope's' to 'himself'...although no doubt he feel's a little silly and fraudulent doing that. (As no doubt every other atheist does).