Is the God of the Old Testament Evil & Genocidal? The Flood & Annihilation of The Canaanites and Sodom and Gomorrah

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Is the God of the Old Testament Evil & Genocidal? The Flood & Annihilation of The Canaanites and Sodom and Gomorrah

I am beginning this thread by referencing a certain dialogue that took place in another thread, because this issue ought to have context and clarification. I just wanted to address these matters, because I see these points being mentioned all the time. The first thing we have to consider in fairly judging these events is context. Here is the dialogue...

If you read the Old Testament from a literalist perspective, it's Deity seems to be pretty much genocidal, and doesn't even limit the killing of enemies to actual combatants.
Here is my response...

...to the contrary if you read the old testament and apply the right context it will reveal that humans were the ones that were really genocidal. Is God unjust for ending peoples that were oppressing and annihilating others? Or, should he have let those oppressors multiply and continue in their evil and allowed them to spread and infect their ways to other tribes to perpetuate more devastation/despair in human lives? Isnt the world crying out for God to end evil? He has and he is accused of being genocidal rather than being seen as preserving and sparing future generations from being victims of devastation and despair to said evil. Can you imagine how evil and wicked we would be if God hadnt put an end to Canaan? Do you have kids? There is a good chance their fate would have been the fires of molech. Do you really wanna live in such a world where God had not ended the wickedness of Canaan and allowed it to flourish? God gave these wicked societies and cultures hundreds and sometimes even thousands of years to run their course. Then he put an end to them.

If we want to consider who's genocidal look at the human race. How come you judge God as being genocidal, but dont come to the same conclusion with man? If you judge according to the same standard and without partiality then what conclusion are we left with in man? If we are consistent with your judgment then man must be genocidal too and thus evil...
Its lazy and even intellectually dishonest and irresponsible for anyone claiming to be fair and reasonable to judge such matters without proper context. God had allowed the practices of Canaan, Sodom and Gomorrah, and even the antediluvian(pre flood) world to run their courses for thousands of years. In fact God had dealt with them in the apex and height of their moral debauchery by putting an end to them. We judge God in doing this, yet what would life be like for you and your children if they were born into these cultures if that were continuing to decline? Consider a society so bad that its common for men to forcibly enter into a home and commit r*pe toward other MEN, yet this is this was exactly the state of affairs in Sodom and Gomorrah(Genesis 19). Had God not put an end to this culture and was allowed to continue what quality of life would we experience if this had become the norm for us? Would you want you or your kids to grow up in such a world? God commanded the Israelite's to exterminate the inhabitants of the land of Canaan. This was a culture that centered around worship of evil gods that demanded human and child sacrifice. The Canaanites were a people of savagery and war that oppressed other surrounding nations. If God had not put an end to them they would have afflicted other peoples and continued to throw their people and children in the sacrificial fires of Molech. I will ask again is Is God unjust for ending peoples that were oppressing and annihilating others? Or, was he preserving and sparing future generations from being victims of devastation and despair to the aforementioned evil? There is coming a time in the future where at the apex of sin and evil God will too put an end to it as a reset, but before he does judge the world in such fashion he gives it hundreds and even thousands of years to repent.
 
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God commanding Israel to annihilate ALL the Canaanites

To provide further context... (taken from another thread)


The surrounding countries of Israel were barbaric and savage and into demon worship. They were people of war, witchcraft, and human sacrifice. The time and cultures were always ruthless and at war with each other and trying to dispossess each other of land. This was especially true for the Canaanite's as they practiced human sacrifice and witchcraft, not to mention some others write about how their lineage was tainted with Nephilim DNA.

It may appear as ruthless at face value to order such a thing, but all the surrounding countries practiced witchcraft and worshiped demon gods. They were spiritually defiled and if given a place in Israel they would have brought the same influence and demonic attachments. We see how Israel brought in foreigners who believed in foreign gods and brought in witchcraft and idols that sought human sacrifice and homage to demons. On face value it may seem to be savage, but there is context. Nobody would want practicing witches that brought in witchcraft spirits to their city yet this theme is consistent all throughout Israel's history.


The time and surrounding nations all made war with each other. There was constant threat of having their land dispossessed. The scripture constantly speaks of defilement. People dont take into account the spiritual aspect of it and spiritual warfare and how humans can open up spiritual doorways to demon spirits and that certain practices give them legal rights to a territory or an individual. This is also generational and attaches to lineage and gemology. The Bible speaks of defilement. Individuals being defiled, land being defiled. Read Deuteronomy and Leviticus as a whole and see how many times God warned against the practices of the surrounding nations and how it would defile them.

Leviticus 19:31
Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the LORD your God.

Deut 18:9 When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.
Deut 18:10 There shall not be found among you [any one] that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, [or] that useth divination, [or] an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,
Deut 18:11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.
Deut 18:12 For all that do these things [are] an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.
Deut 18:13 Thou shalt be perfect with the LORD thy God.

We FFW some time after that and read that eventually the influence of the surrounding nations did defile and influence Israel. The end result was that Israel had joined the practices of the nations and eventually began to practice human sacrifice and became just as wicked as they were. The following speaks of Mannessah's reign in Israel.

2Kgs 21:4 And he built altars in the house of the LORD, of which the LORD said, In Jerusalem will I put my name.
2Kgs 21:5 And he built altars for all the host of heaven in the two courts of the house of the LORD.
2Kgs 21:6 And he made his son pass through the fire, and observed times, and used enchantments, and dealt with familiar spirits and wizards: he wrought much wickedness in the sight of the LORD, to provoke [him] to anger.

We underestimate how dangerous engaging these practices are because they open doors to demonic activity to spread their influence. They gave a place in these lands to seducing spirits and next thing you know Israel is practicing witchcraft and human sacrifice. We bring God into judgment(as if we could) about purging those lands yet I doubt anyone if they knew the harm of witchcraft would openly give place for such influence to control their society if they had a means not to.
 
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...further context for God commanding Israel to annihilate the Canaanite's. Giants in the land(offspring of the FALLEN angels)...

Num 13:17 And Moses sent them to spy out the land of Canaan, and said unto them, Get you up this [way] southward, and go up into the mountain:
Num 13:18 And see the land, what it [is]; and the people that dwelleth therein, whether they [be] strong or weak, few or many;
Num 13:19 And what the land [is] that they dwell in, whether it [be] good or bad; and what cities [they be] that they dwell in, whether in tents, or in strong holds;
Num 13:20 And what the land [is], whether it [be] fat or lean, whether there be wood therein, or not. And be ye of good courage, and bring of the fruit of the land. Now the time [was] the time of the firstripe grapes.
Num 13:21 So they went up, and searched the land from the wilderness of Zin unto Rehob, as men come to Hamath.
Num 13:22 And they ascended by the south, and came unto Hebron; where Ahiman, Sheshai, and Talmai, the children of Anak, [were]. (Now Hebron was built seven years before Zoan in Egypt.)
Num 13:23 And they came unto the brook of Eshcol, and cut down from thence a branch with one cluster of grapes, and they bare it between two upon a staff; and [they brought] of the pomegranates, and of the figs.
Num 13:24 The place was called the brook Eshcol, because of the cluster of grapes which the children of Israel cut down from thence.
Num 13:25 And they returned from searching of the land after forty days.
Num 13:26 And they went and came to Moses, and to Aaron, and to all the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the wilderness of Paran, to Kadesh; and brought back word unto them, and unto all the congregation, and shewed them the fruit of the land.
Num 13:27 And they told him, and said, We came unto the land whither thou sentest us, and surely it floweth with milk and honey; and this [is] the fruit of it.
Num 13:28 Nevertheless the people [be] strong that dwell in the land, and the cities [are] walled, [and] very great: and moreover we saw the children of Anak there.
Num 13:29 The Amalekites dwell in the land of the south: and the Hittites, and the Jebusites, and the Amorites, dwell in the mountains: and the Canaanites dwell by the sea, and by the coast of Jordan.
Num 13:30 And Caleb stilled the people before Moses, and said, Let us go up at once, and possess it; for we are well able to overcome it.
Num 13:31 But the men that went up with him said, We be not able to go up against the people; for they [are] stronger than we.
Num 13:32 And they brought up an evil report of the land which they had searched unto the children of Israel, saying, The land, through which we have gone to search it, [is] a land that eateth up the inhabitants thereof; and all the people that we saw in it [are] men of a great stature.
Num 13:33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, [which come] of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.
 

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Conclusions to be made in the CONTEXT of WHO and WHY... (The Canaanites)

The Canaanites and surrounding nations all practiced sorceries that were very prevalent and influential at the time. These practices come from fallen angels and demon spirits. They are very harmful to human beings and populations and if allowed to spread would lead to devastation and more peoples under the darkness of such practices. In correspondence to these practices the Canaanites were a very carnal and savage culture, they were men of war that would pillage other nations. They offered their children and other members of their society as sacrifices to the fires of their demon god Molech. There were also the offspring of the fallen angels in the land (the giants) which later became what we know to be demon spirits. There are various ancient accounts of these giants recorded and unearthed from all ancient cultures. These giants were extremely evil, would often be accompanied with reports of r*pe, sodomy, cannibalism, mindless murder and debauchery, even bestiality.

If these practices and culture was allowed to prevail what would be the fate of future generations? God ended the Canaanites and preserved future generations from being victims to such evil.
 
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Conclusions to be made in the CONTEXT of WHO and WHY... (Sodom and Gomorrah)


Gen 19:4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, both young and old, all the people to the last man, surrounded the house.
Gen 19:5 And they called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us, that we may know them.”
Gen 19:6 Lot went out to the men at the entrance, shut the door after him,
Gen 19:7 and said, “I beg you, my brothers, do not act so wickedly.
Gen 19:8 Behold, I have two daughters who have not known any man. Let me bring them out to you, and do to them as you please. Only do nothing to these men, for they have come under the shelter of my roof.”
Gen 19:9 But they said, “Stand back!” And they said, “This fellow came to sojourn, and he has become the judge! Now we will deal worse with you than with them.” Then they pressed hard against the man Lot, and drew near to break the door down.
Gen 19:10 But the men reached out their hands and brought Lot into the house with them and shut the door.
Gen 19:11 And they struck with blindness the men who were at the entrance of the house, both small and great, so that they wore themselves out groping for the door.

Gen 19:12 Then the men said to Lot, “Have you anyone else here? Sons-in-law, sons, daughters, or anyone you have in the city, bring them out of the place.
Gen 19:13 For we are about to destroy this place, because the outcry against its people has become great before the LORD, and the LORD has sent us to destroy it.”

To further illustrate the debauchery of what had become normal practice in Sodom and Gomorrah

Gen 19:30 Now Lot went up out of Zoar and lived in the hills with his two daughters, for he was afraid to live in Zoar. So he lived in a cave with his two daughters.
Gen 19:31 And the firstborn said to the younger, “Our father is old, and there is not a man on earth to come in to us after the manner of all the earth.
Gen 19:32 Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve offspring from our father.”
Gen 19:33 So they made their father drink wine that night. And the firstborn went in and lay with her father. He did not know when she lay down or when she arose.
Gen 19:34 The next day, the firstborn said to the younger, “Behold, I lay last night with my father. Let us make him drink wine tonight also. Then you go in and lie with him, that we may preserve offspring from our father.”
Gen 19:35 So they made their father drink wine that night also. And the younger arose and lay with him, and he did not know when she lay down or when she arose.
Gen 19:36 Thus both the daughters of Lot became pregnant by their father.
Gen 19:37 The firstborn bore a son and called his name Moab. He is the father of the Moabites to this day.
Gen 19:38 The younger also bore a son and called his name Ben-ammi. He is the father of the Ammonites to this day.

These passages are indeed somber and very telling of how degenerate and evil the culture of Sodom and Gomorrah had become. Things were so bad that a mob of men literally sought to break into a home and r*pe and sodomize male sojourners. Not only that, but Lots daughters did not even consider it a strange or grotesque practice to lay with their father. Imagine how evil a culture has to become for these practices to be considered normalized without conviction. Lot initially offered his own daughters to be raped by a mob of men in order to protect the angels he was housing, and then his daughters sleep with him. These passages are to illustrate the signs of the times that led to God destroying the two cities. The question we have to ask ourselves is what if God had not ended these cities. What kind of world would we live in and how much further would it have declined? Is it the kind of society you would want you and your children to live in? Did God preserve us from becoming victims of this culture by ending it?
 
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I see u already mentioned it but those people God commanded to be destroyed were mixed with Nephilim. The bloodline of fallen Angel's was the target for destruction. That bloodline which rules the world today.
 

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Come to think of it, perhaps those people today who are saying that God is genocidal are descendants of canaanites, amalekites or of people whose bloodline where tainted with nephilims...
 
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