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TokiEl

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Apparently the word god comes from the name Odin, the saxon, pagan god.

I learned that today!
Yes you won't find the word god in the semitic languages like Aramic and Arabic.

In Aramic it is elah and in Arabic it is allah.


So many languages... so much confusion or babble.


The most common generic word for god in the bible is the Hebrew plural form elohim.

Genesis 1 In the beginning elohim created the heavens and the earth.

Plural as in more than one !


This is a bit of the mystery of what we call God... but christians know this as the Father and the Son and the Holy spirit.

The clay cannot say much about the potter... so it's always best to shut up about the nature or not of God.


However wise you feel and whatever words you use... you'll only offend God in the end.
 
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Why don't you post the few verses before and the few verses after the ones you just posted so we can have some context? Are good upstanding Christians such as yourself supposed to be deceitful?
Why can't you do that yourself? Does it scare you to look at your own religious texts all by yourself?

Here is the link for you https://quran.com/4

Verses before and after communicate mercy is shown ONLY to those who give into Islam/ return to Islam. It is actually worse in the previous verses, you did readers a big favour there. Surrounding verses to 4:76 now

4:74
SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
So let those fight in the cause of Allah who sell the life of this world for the Hereafter. And he who fights in the cause of Allah and is killed or achieves victory - We will bestow upon him a great reward.

4:75
And what is [the matter] with you that you fight not in the cause of Allah and [for] the oppressed among men, women, and children who say, "Our Lord, take us out of this city of oppressive people and appoint for us from Yourself a protector and appoint for us from Yourself a helper?"

4:76
Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who disbelieve fight in the cause of Taghut. So fight against the allies of Satan. Indeed, the plot of Satan has ever been weak.


4:77
Have you not seen those who were told, "Restrain your hands [from fighting] and establish prayer and give zakah"? But then when fighting was ordained for them, at once a party of them feared men as they fear Allah or with [even] greater fear. They said, "Our Lord, why have You decreed upon us fighting? If only You had postponed [it for] us for a short time." Say, The enjoyment of this world is little, and the Hereafter is better for he who fears Allah . And injustice will not be done to you, [even] as much as a thread [inside a date seed]."

4:78
Wherever you may be, death will overtake you, even if you should be within towers of lofty construction. But if good comes to them, they say, "This is from Allah "; and if evil befalls them, they say, "This is from you." Say, "All [things] are from Allah ." So what is [the matter] with those people that they can hardly understand any statement?


You can try defending the other verse, but I know you won't.
4:90 promises mercy only to those who give in and surrender to Muslims.

Please stop lying to yourself.
 

TokiEl

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Who would want Muslims in their country knowing that they will try and sneak that pact in when their population percentage grows enough to have some influence?
For over a thousand years muslims have tried to invade Europe... now they are invited inside by the millions.

This is not because of blue eyed ignorance... but because of the growing power of masonry which was strong and confident enough to invite their muslim allies with little fear of citizens arrest or being hung from the lamp posts.

Besides the Bible prophesied this... and so it had to happen.

The Scriptures cannot be broken.


Also the Bible outs Allah as a fallen heavenly being... although it is clear enough from the counsel of the Bible that Allah is the Devil himself. So when Allah commends kill lie cheat and steal in order to conquer non muslims... when will muslims wake up to the fact that this is not the way of God ?

Well Jesus will have to sort those misguided muslims out.
 
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Why can't you do that yourself? Does it scare you to look at your own religious texts all by yourself?

Here is the link for you https://quran.com/4

Verses before and after communicate mercy is shown ONLY to those who give into Islam/ return to Islam. It is actually worse in the previous verses, you did readers a big favour there. Surrounding verses to 4:76 now

4:74
SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
So let those fight in the cause of Allah who sell the life of this world for the Hereafter. And he who fights in the cause of Allah and is killed or achieves victory - We will bestow upon him a great reward.

4:75
And what is [the matter] with you that you fight not in the cause of Allah and [for] the oppressed among men, women, and children who say, "Our Lord, take us out of this city of oppressive people and appoint for us from Yourself a protector and appoint for us from Yourself a helper?"

4:76
Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who disbelieve fight in the cause of Taghut. So fight against the allies of Satan. Indeed, the plot of Satan has ever been weak.


4:77
Have you not seen those who were told, "Restrain your hands [from fighting] and establish prayer and give zakah"? But then when fighting was ordained for them, at once a party of them feared men as they fear Allah or with [even] greater fear. They said, "Our Lord, why have You decreed upon us fighting? If only You had postponed [it for] us for a short time." Say, The enjoyment of this world is little, and the Hereafter is better for he who fears Allah . And injustice will not be done to you, [even] as much as a thread [inside a date seed]."

4:78
Wherever you may be, death will overtake you, even if you should be within towers of lofty construction. But if good comes to them, they say, "This is from Allah "; and if evil befalls them, they say, "This is from you." Say, "All [things] are from Allah ." So what is [the matter] with those people that they can hardly understand any statement?


You can try defending the other verse, but I know you won't.
4:90 promises mercy only to those who give in and surrender to Muslims.

Please stop lying to yourself.
Are you trying to saying anything here? you don't seem to be.
 

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Verses before and after communicate mercy is shown ONLY to those who give into Islam/ return to Islam. It is actually worse in the previous verses, you did readers a big favour there. Surrounding verses to 4:76 now
The verses above have a context and the context was the persecution of Muslims by the pagans in Makkah.

Let's take a look at these verses again:
4:74 So let those fight in the cause of Allah who sell the life of this world for the Hereafter. And he who fights in the cause of Allah and is killed or achieves victory – We will bestow upon him a great reward.
4:75 And what is [the matter] with you that you fight not in the cause of God and [for] the oppressed among men, women, and children who say, “Our Lord, take us out of this city of oppressive people and appoint for us from Yourself a protector and appoint for us from Yourself a helper?”
4:76 Those who believe fight in the cause of God, and those who disbelieve fight in the cause of Taghut ( Falsehood). So fight against the allies of Satan. Indeed, the plot of Satan has ever been weak.
4:77 Have you not seen those who were told, “Restrain your hands [from fighting] and establish prayer and give zakah”? But then when fighting was ordained for them, at once a party of them feared men as they fear God or with [even] greater fear. They said, “Our Lord, why have You decreed upon us fighting? If only You had postponed [it for] us for a short time.” Say, The enjoyment of this world is little, and the Hereafter is better for he who fears God. And injustice will not be done to you, [even] as much as a thread [inside a date seed].”

As you can see this verse is about defending oppressed innocents. What is wrong about defending oppressed innocents? What is wrong with fighting oppression and self defense? :rolleyes:

Back to the context of these verses. We actually have the science of Tafsir this is " A Quranic tafsir attempts to provide elucidation, explanation, interpretation, context or commentary for clear understanding and conviction of God's will." (WIKI)
You should start looking into that smh.
I can bring different commentaries but one will do.
Quran Translation and Commentary’ – Maulana Mufti Mohammad Shafi
“Answering the call of the oppressed
Left behind in Makkah were Muslims who were unable to migrate because of physical weakness and insufficiency of resources. Later on, the disbelievers themselves stopped them from going and started hurting and harassing them in all sots of ways so that they turn away from their faith in Islam. The names of these are preserved in exegetic works, for example, Sayyidna Ibn Abbas and his mother, Sulyma Ibn Hisham, Walid Ibn Walid and Abu Jahal Ibn Sahl, may Allah be pleased with them all (Qurtubi). These blessed people kept facing tyranny and torture because of their unflinching faith showing no signs that they would ever surrender their firm stand on Islam. However, they did continue praying to Allah Almighty for deliverance from this hard life which was finally accepted by Him He commanded Muslims to wage Jihad against the disbelievers and rescue the oppressed from their coercion and persecution. According to this verse, Muslims had requested Allah Almighty the favour of two things – that they be rescued from that town (meaning Makkah) and that they be blessed with some supporter and helper. The fact is that Allah Almighty granted both these prayers when He provided some of them with the opportunity to move out from there which was the fulfilment of their first wish. However, some of them remained staying right there until the Conquest of Makkah. At that time, the Holy Prophet appointed Sayyidna ‘Attab Ibn Aid as their caretaker and who had the oppressed Muslims delivered from their oppressors. Thus, granted was their second wish as well. It will be noted that the Holy Qur’an, rather than give a straightforward command to fight in this verse, has elected to use the words: … (What has happened to you that you do not fight in the way of Allah?). Here the hint given is that fighting and Jihad is a natural duty under such conditions, not doing which is certainly far from a reasonable man.
Praying to Allah is the panacea from all hardships
The words of prayer in verse 75: … tell us that one of the reasons why the command to fight came was the prayer made by these weak Muslims men and women. Allah Almighty responded to their prayer and commanded Muslims to wage Jihad against their oppressors and which put an end to their hardships immediately.” [3]
Deceitful Christians are usually Zio-Christians they are not about worshiping God or being peaceful they are about end times revelations to the point of worship and they support war . In addition, they elect politicians and support groups that lie to get war and the persecution of Muslims.
 
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Deceitful Christians are usually Zio-Christians they are not about worshiping God or being peaceful they are about end times revelations to the point of worship and they support war . In addition, they elect politicians and support groups that lie to get war and the persecution of Muslims.
There is not one christian government in the world.

There is one jewish government who had to defend their land and people since day 2 of their independence. And this they have been successful at because God is with them. And soon they'll all be christians... and so the only christian government in the world.

Even if the whole world is arrayed in arms against Israel... they will have to pass the God of Israel. This is impossible.
 
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Hey Israeli hasbara.......newsflash They just need lobby groups.

These are not blessed peacemakers they are morally corrupt groups that worship war with Muslims. They think that they can impact the Creator's timetable by bringing back Prophet Jesus whom Muslims also await They know they are supporting injustice but they are so morally damaged that they support killing innocents including women and children and think the means justify the ends..Foolishness!

"But in the eyes of the so-called Religious Right, ANY war a Republican president sends the U.S. military into is a just war–no matter how unjust the war really is. Evangelical Christian pastors are unabashed apologists for war. It is safe to say that a majority of conservative Christians have become rabid warmongers. They cheer for war; they promote war; they glorify war; they worship those who wage war; and they enthusiastically vote for neocons like Lindsey Graham and John McCain because of their support for war.
For Christian conservatives to talk about the bloodthirstiness of Muslims is laughable." For more go to the resource above.
 

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I am so tired with this kind of rhetoric. Why can we just accept what we believe and what others believe are different.

I am Muslim and I don't want to post something about how wrong other belief systems are. You know why? Because it only creates more conflicts and disagreement.

It harnesses bad energy. When we should be united in society to fight against wickedness, injustice, unfairness or oppression.
 

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Wow, what a shit fest this thread turned out to be.

Hardly surprising tbh. Floss is a class A troll who is well experienced in making bait-threads which trolls and the offended will always go circle jerk in.

No one here is a scholar. No one here is a theologian or theologist. We are all just random internet folk looking to get our kicks out of poking fun in someone else’s belief system, or defending our own...

...and no one here is innocent!

No one.

Learning to kill my own arrogance (and realising how painstaking it really is) is teaching me a lot, about me - and - about you!

yes. You!

Make of that what you will.
 

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Why can't you do that yourself? Does it scare you to look at your own religious texts all by yourself?

Here is the link for you https://quran.com/4

Verses before and after communicate mercy is shown ONLY to those who give into Islam/ return to Islam. It is actually worse in the previous verses, you did readers a big favour there. Surrounding verses to 4:76 now

4:74
SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
So let those fight in the cause of Allah who sell the life of this world for the Hereafter. And he who fights in the cause of Allah and is killed or achieves victory - We will bestow upon him a great reward.

4:75
And what is [the matter] with you that you fight not in the cause of Allah and [for] the oppressed among men, women, and children who say, "Our Lord, take us out of this city of oppressive people and appoint for us from Yourself a protector and appoint for us from Yourself a helper?"

4:76
Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who disbelieve fight in the cause of Taghut. So fight against the allies of Satan. Indeed, the plot of Satan has ever been weak.


4:77
Have you not seen those who were told, "Restrain your hands [from fighting] and establish prayer and give zakah"? But then when fighting was ordained for them, at once a party of them feared men as they fear Allah or with [even] greater fear. They said, "Our Lord, why have You decreed upon us fighting? If only You had postponed [it for] us for a short time." Say, The enjoyment of this world is little, and the Hereafter is better for he who fears Allah . And injustice will not be done to you, [even] as much as a thread [inside a date seed]."

4:78
Wherever you may be, death will overtake you, even if you should be within towers of lofty construction. But if good comes to them, they say, "This is from Allah "; and if evil befalls them, they say, "This is from you." Say, "All [things] are from Allah ." So what is [the matter] with those people that they can hardly understand any statement?


You can try defending the other verse, but I know you won't.
4:90 promises mercy only to those who give in and surrender to Muslims.

Please stop lying to yourself.
Do you know how to read or anything about the circumstances involving these verses? I ask because if you did you would know these verses are referring to war. Muslims were being killed, oppressed, and had all their property stolen for simply being Muslims. The verse says right there that Muslims should fight the oppressors, free the oppressed, and etc.

Let me give you a simple example, because it seems like you have the reading comprehension level of 4 year old. If I stole your property, took your kids and other family members against your will, and then tortured and oppressed your family members for simply believing in One God would you not try to do anything about it or would you cower in a corner and let me have my way with your property and your family members?

For once in your life stop being a little snake in the grass and answer truthfully.
 

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Make of that what you will.
I do not understand what you mean bro.
or defending our own...

...and no one here is innocent!
Defending our Prophet and the Quran from these lies is not arrogance.
If they attack my personality and I rise that is arrogance. Then I would check my ego.
Allah knows best.

Why can we just accept what we believe and what others believe are different.
Most of us tend to play in our own threads and contribute in a positive manner to the forum......you know that.
notice who makes the bait threads it is usually the same folks over and over again.
 
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Wow, what a shit fest this thread turned out to be.

Hardly surprising tbh. Floss is a class A troll who is well experienced in making bait-threads which trolls and the offended will always go circle jerk in.

No one here is a scholar. No one here is a theologian or theologist. We are all just random internet folk looking to get our kicks out of poking fun in someone else’s belief system, or defending our own...

...and no one here is innocent!

No one.

Learning to kill my own arrogance (and realising how painstaking it really is) is teaching me a lot, about me - and - about you!

yes. You!

Make of that what you will.
I'm not baiting anybody. I'm just posting the truth hopefully some of the Muslims here see it and wake up to their deceptive religion. Islam is not a sequel to the Bible! Look at my OP again, I posted a video pointing out the deception from Mercifulservant and Zakir Naik. They both claimed Muhammad to be in the Bible. It was so blatant that anyone with an eye can see their deceitful tactics. There are millions of muslims blindly follow these guys and I know their ending is the lake of fire. If you think this is a troll thread instead of the truth to pull people out of the fire, then so be it. And you trying to build bridges with your "Interfaith" isn't going to work on the born again Christians. We know the truth and we will not mingle/yoke with your "interfaith" one world religion. We are called to be separated from unbelievers so you can only fool lukewarm Christians with your "interfaith" movement. You got that right Scimi, you are not innocent, that's why you got banned for harassing little Mecca. And you here are, showing up as a Socks Saint building bridges. Sorry buddy, I don't support your one world religious movement ;)
 

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“And dispute ye not with the People of the Book, except with means better (than mere disputation), unless it be with those of them who inflict wrong (and injury): but say, “We believe in the revelation which has come down to us and in that which came down to you; Our Allah and your Allah is one; and it is to Him we bow (in Islam).” (29:46)

 

TokiEl

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I am so tired with this kind of rhetoric. Why can we just accept what we believe and what others believe are different.

I am Muslim and I don't want to post something about how wrong other belief systems are. You know why? Because it only creates more conflicts and disagreement.

It harnesses bad energy. When we should be united in society to fight against wickedness, injustice, unfairness or oppression.
When the devil's men and women are governing the nations then crime and corruption are as natural as breath and breeze.

You say you are muslim... but the god of muslims is a fallen heavenly being according to the prophet Isaiah.

So do you believe the bible ?
 
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