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Kung Fu

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If not in the literal sense...what are ya talking about then? I just gave you Bible verses that tell us that evangelists have been around since the NT..but thats not good enough for you? :rolleyes:
Are you pretending to be stupid? Prior to Martin Luther coming around what Bible were the Christians reading? When did Evangelical Protestantism/Evangelicalism come to be known?
 

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I wasn't being clear. I don't mean "evangelist" in the literal sense. I'm referring to your denomination of Evangelical Protestantism. Where were you guys prior to Martin Luther coming around?
Why does it matter? You choose to believe or you don’t. Isn’t that the bottom line? As a Christian, I have CHOSEN to believe in the INFALLIBLE WORD OF GOD. PERIOD. For Life. To my Deathbed. Trust me. I have been tested. But I have made my choice. That being said, interpretations could be off in some translations. A preacher could misquote here or there. But I don’t rely on them to interpret the Bible for me. Instead, I read it myself. I rely on the Holy Spirit to guide and lead me into understanding. And, I STUDY the Greek/Hebrew origins of the words (including the culture then). STUDY TAKES TIME. You have to take the time to seek and have a heart to understand AS A WHOLE and IN CONTEXT. Otherwise it all sounds like gibberish and foolery.
I could care less the origins of my “religion” because all that truly matters is the Bible as the powerful Words of God, sharper than any 2 edged sword that divides even to the marrow. And as the means that I grow my relationship with Jesus which is worth more than anyone in this world can offer or provide.
 

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It's quite blatantly obvious that when the word evangelist is used in the Bible it doesn't denote someone who has the beliefs which are today labelled as "evangelical".
Why do you say that? How is that obvious?
 

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Why do you say that? How is that obvious?
The word "Evangelical" is a label which has been applied to a certain number of sects of literalist Christians mostly in the good ol' US of A who reject all kinds of hermeneutic interpretations of the Bible. However in it's original sense, (or more original sense, I haven't gone deep into the etymology) it simply refers to any person who intensely promotes a particular religion or idea.

When we say that someone is "an evangelical" these days we would usually be implying that they belong to one of the aforementioned sects. However if we were to say that someone is "being evangelical (about...)" we would be saying that they are aggressively promoting something.

You could suggest that you possess the original doctrine of the followers of Christ (quite obviously this isn't the case, but that's another discussion...). However suggesting that the word "evangelical" when used in the Bible is a term for those who hold such doctrines would be an absurdity, etymologically speaking.
 

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Are you pretending to be stupid? Prior to Martin Luther coming around what Bible were the Christians reading? When did Evangelical Protestantism/Evangelicalism come to be known?
I never pretend to be something I’m not...;)

There have always been evangelicals..Phillip, Timothy and I would say Paul is one as well. In fact..it could have been that Paul was the evangelist in the time period you’re suggesting had none...
 

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Why does it matter? You choose to believe or you don’t. Isn’t that the bottom line? As a Christian, I have CHOSEN to believe in the INFALLIBLE WORD OF GOD. PERIOD. For Life. To my Deathbed. Trust me. I have been tested. But I have made my choice. That being said, interpretations could be off in some translations. A preacher could misquote here or there. But I don’t rely on them to interpret the Bible for me. Instead, I read it myself. I rely on the Holy Spirit to guide and lead me into understanding. And, I STUDY the Greek/Hebrew origins of the words (including the culture then). STUDY TAKES TIME. You have to take the time to seek and have a heart to understand AS A WHOLE and IN CONTEXT. Otherwise it all sounds like gibberish and foolery.
I could care less the origins of my “religion” because all that truly matters is the Bible as the powerful Words of God, sharper than any 2 edged sword that divides even to the marrow. And as the means that I grow my relationship with Jesus which is worth more than anyone in this world can offer or provide.
You can believe what you want and more power to you. I do genuinely wish it brings you happiness. But where I have a problem is when people start spouting nonsense about the religion of others when they nothing of their own religion.
 

Lisa

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The word "Evangelical" is a label which has been applied to a certain number of sects of literalist Christians mostly in the good ol' US of A who reject all kinds of hermeneutic interpretations of the Bible. However in it's original sense, (or more original sense, I haven't gone deep into the etymology) it simply refers to any person who intensely promotes a particular religion or idea.

When we say that someone is "an evangelical" these days we would usually be implying that they belong to one of the aforementioned sects. However if we were to say that someone is "being evangelical (about...)" we would be saying that they are aggressively promoting something.

You could suggest that you possess the original doctrine of the followers of Christ (quite obviously this isn't the case, but that's another discussion...). However suggesting that the word "evangelical" when used in the Bible is a term for those who hold such doctrines would be an absurdity, etymologically speaking.
Were they not telling people about Jesus in the NT? Didn’t Paul go on his missionary journey’s and spread the gospel? Isn’t that what an evangelical does? I don’t see any difference between then and today, honestly.
 

Kung Fu

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I never pretend to be something I’m not...;)

There have always been evangelicals..Phillip, Timothy and I would say Paul is one as well. In fact..it could have been that Paul was the evangelist in the time period you’re suggesting had none...
You didn't answer my question. What Bible were Christians reading prior to Martin Luther coming around?
 

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But where I have a problem is when people start spouting nonsense about the religion of others when they nothing of their own religion.
Is this what you’re talking about?
Islam is a religion based on lies and deceits. Muslims need to wake up and find Jesus Christ for their salvation.
 

Lisa

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You didn't answer my question. What Bible were Christians reading prior to Martin Luther coming around?
I thought you meant there weren’t evangelicals prior to Martin Luther which I proved there was. However, I’m not familiar with that time period, so I can’t answer your questions about it.
 

Kung Fu

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I thought you meant there weren’t evangelicals prior to Martin Luther which I proved there was. However, I’m not familiar with that time period, so I can’t answer your questions about it.
I'm saying there weren't any sects called Evangelical Protestantism prior to Martin Luther. If you're not familiar with that time period it explains a lot in regards to you actually knowing nothing about your faith, your religion, and or your history.
 

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You're confusing two quite separate meanings of a word.
Can you expound on how they are two separate meanings?

edit: especially after I proved to you they weren’t.
 
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Lisa

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She's not familiar with that time period so she won't understand anything you're saying lol.
She was saying I was confusing the meaning of the word evangelical, where I showed her I wasn’t.
 

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Can you expound on how they are two separate meanings?

edit: especially after I proved to you they weren’t.
We have rather different definitions of "proved". It's quite impossible for a text which was translated before a term was used to connote a particular thing to use that term with the intention of connoting what it later came to connote.

Unless some foreknowledge of the future was involved, as the jahtruth people seem to believe.
 
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