Who do Muslims really worship?

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The demonstration is erroneous because you must use common root language to find similarities.

Mu is from a Greek

Ham from

Maat from Egyptian

And Muhammad from Arabic... which stem from Abraham Semitic language.


You could do the exact same fabricated reasoning by mixing Swedish, German and Japanese and find a new "obvious" sense to Vishnu, Jesus, Abraham or Muhammad names. There is no sound methodology here.

The error you do is trying to find root meanings from Arabic words only from other traditions you do know (Egyptians, or else) and be complete ignorant of the deep Arabic/Semitic sacred language and root. You should learn Arabic if you attempt to analyze it ;).
this demonstration was not mine....it was something i came across on the net....

i know enough arabic to get me by on...and enough english too...

if you have any doubts then please explain the ALLAH = ASSAD?
 

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The demonstration is erroneous because you must use common root language to find similarities.

Mu is from a Greek

Ham from

Maat from Egyptian

And Muhammad from Arabic... which stem from Abraham Semitic language.


You could do the exact same fabricated reasoning by mixing Swedish, German and Japanese and find a new "obvious" sense to Vishnu, Jesus, Abraham or Muhammad names. There is no sound methodology here.

The error you do is trying to find root meanings from Arabic words only from other traditions you do know (Egyptians, or else) and be complete ignorant of the deep Arabic/Semitic sacred language and root. You should learn Arabic if you attempt to analyze it ;).
You are actually wrong...

Atlantis came before islam...AS ABOVE - SO BELOW ...is mentioned throughout the quran...if you know where to look
 

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Sayyid Ahmed Amiruddin has pointed out that early Christian and Islamic traditions call Hermes Trismegistus the builder of the Pyramids of Giza[26] and has a major place in Islamic tradition. He writes, "Hermes Trismegistus is mentioned in the Quran in verse 19:56-57: 'Mention, in the Book, Idris, that he was truthful, a prophet. We took him up to a high place'". The Jabirian corpus contains the oldest documented source for the Emerald Tablet of Hermes Trismegistus, translated by Jābir ibn Hayyān (Geber) for the Hashemite Caliph of Baghdad Harun al-Rashid the Abbasid. Jābir ibn Hayyān, a Shiite, identified as Jābir al-Sufi, was a student of Ja'far al-Sadiq, Husayn ibn 'Ali's great grandson. Thus, for the Abbasid's and the Alid's, the writings of Hermes Trismegistus were considered sacred, as an inheritance from the Ahl al-Bayt and the Prophets. These writings were recorded by the Ikhwan al-Safa, and subsequently translated from Arabic into Persian, Turkish, Hebrew, Russian, and English. In these writings, Hermes Trismegistus is identified as Idris, the infallible Prophet who traveled to outer space from Egypt, and to heaven, whence he brought back a cache of objects from the Eden of Adam and the Black Stone from where he landed on earth in India.[27]

According to ancient Arab genealogists, the Prophet Muhammad, who is also believed to have traveled to the heavens on the night of Isra and Mi'raj, is a direct descendant of Hermes Trismegistus. Ibn Kathir said, "As for Idris... He is in the genealogical chain of the Prophet Muhammad, except according to one genealogist... Ibn Ishaq says he was the first who wrote with the Pen. There was a span of 380 years between him and the life of Adam. Many of the scholars allege that he was the first to speak about this, and they call him Thrice-Great Hermes [Hermes Trismegistus]".[27] Ahmad al-Buni considered himself a follower of the hermetic teachings; and his contemporary Ibn Arabi mentioned Hermes Trismegistus in his writings. The Futūḥāt al-Makkiyya of Ibn Arabi speaks of Hermes's travels to "vast cities (outside earth), possessing technologies far superior than ours"[28] and meeting with the Twelfth Imam, the Ninth (generation) from the Third (al-Husayn the third Imam) (referring here to the Masters of Wisdom from the Emerald Tablet), who also ascended to the heavens, and is still alive like his ancestor Hermes Trismegistus".[29]

A late Arabic writer wrote of the Sabaeans that their religion had a sect of star worshipers who held their doctrine to come from Hermes Trismegistus through the prophet Adimun.[30]

Antoine Faivre, in The Eternal Hermes (1995), has pointed out that Hermes Trismegistus has a place in the Islamic tradition, although the name Hermes does not appear in the Qur'an. Hagiographers and chroniclers of the first centuries of the Islamic Hegira quickly identified Hermes Trismegistus with Idris,[31] the nabi of surahs 19.57 and 21.85, whom the Arabs also identified with Enoch (cf. Genesis 5.18–24). Idris/Hermes was termed "Thrice-Wise" Hermes Trismegistus because he had a threefold origin. The first Hermes, comparable to Thoth, was a "civilizing hero", an initiator into the mysteries of the divine science and wisdom that animate the world; he carved the principles of this sacred science in hieroglyphs. The second Hermes, in Babylon, was the initiator of Pythagoras. The third Hermes was the first teacher of alchemy. "A faceless prophet," writes the Islamicist Pierre Lory, "Hermes possesses no concrete or salient characteristics, differing in this regard from most of the major figures of the Bible and the Quran."[32] A common interpretation of the representation of "Trismegistus" as "thrice great" recalls the three characterizations of Idris: as a messenger of god, or a prophet; as a source of wisdom, or hikmet (wisdom from hokmah); and as a king of the world order, or a "sultanate". These are referred to as müselles bin ni'me.
 

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Sayyid Ahmed Amiruddin has pointed out that early Christian and Islamic traditions call Hermes Trismegistus the builder of the Pyramids of Giza[26] and has a major place in Islamic tradition. He writes, "Hermes Trismegistus is mentioned in the Quran in verse 19:56-57: 'Mention, in the Book, Idris, that he was truthful, a prophet. We took him up to a high place'". The Jabirian corpus contains the oldest documented source for the Emerald Tablet of Hermes Trismegistus, translated by Jābir ibn Hayyān (Geber) for the Hashemite Caliph of Baghdad Harun al-Rashid the Abbasid. Jābir ibn Hayyān, a Shiite, identified as Jābir al-Sufi, was a student of Ja'far al-Sadiq, Husayn ibn 'Ali's great grandson. Thus, for the Abbasid's and the Alid's, the writings of Hermes Trismegistus were considered sacred, as an inheritance from the Ahl al-Bayt and the Prophets. These writings were recorded by the Ikhwan al-Safa, and subsequently translated from Arabic into Persian, Turkish, Hebrew, Russian, and English. In these writings, Hermes Trismegistus is identified as Idris, the infallible Prophet who traveled to outer space from Egypt, and to heaven, whence he brought back a cache of objects from the Eden of Adam and the Black Stone from where he landed on earth in India.[27]

According to ancient Arab genealogists, the Prophet Muhammad, who is also believed to have traveled to the heavens on the night of Isra and Mi'raj, is a direct descendant of Hermes Trismegistus. Ibn Kathir said, "As for Idris... He is in the genealogical chain of the Prophet Muhammad, except according to one genealogist... Ibn Ishaq says he was the first who wrote with the Pen. There was a span of 380 years between him and the life of Adam. Many of the scholars allege that he was the first to speak about this, and they call him Thrice-Great Hermes [Hermes Trismegistus]".[27] Ahmad al-Buni considered himself a follower of the hermetic teachings; and his contemporary Ibn Arabi mentioned Hermes Trismegistus in his writings. The Futūḥāt al-Makkiyya of Ibn Arabi speaks of Hermes's travels to "vast cities (outside earth), possessing technologies far superior than ours"[28] and meeting with the Twelfth Imam, the Ninth (generation) from the Third (al-Husayn the third Imam) (referring here to the Masters of Wisdom from the Emerald Tablet), who also ascended to the heavens, and is still alive like his ancestor Hermes Trismegistus".[29]

A late Arabic writer wrote of the Sabaeans that their religion had a sect of star worshipers who held their doctrine to come from Hermes Trismegistus through the prophet Adimun.[30]

Antoine Faivre, in The Eternal Hermes (1995), has pointed out that Hermes Trismegistus has a place in the Islamic tradition, although the name Hermes does not appear in the Qur'an. Hagiographers and chroniclers of the first centuries of the Islamic Hegira quickly identified Hermes Trismegistus with Idris,[31] the nabi of surahs 19.57 and 21.85, whom the Arabs also identified with Enoch (cf. Genesis 5.18–24). Idris/Hermes was termed "Thrice-Wise" Hermes Trismegistus because he had a threefold origin. The first Hermes, comparable to Thoth, was a "civilizing hero", an initiator into the mysteries of the divine science and wisdom that animate the world; he carved the principles of this sacred science in hieroglyphs. The second Hermes, in Babylon, was the initiator of Pythagoras. The third Hermes was the first teacher of alchemy. "A faceless prophet," writes the Islamicist Pierre Lory, "Hermes possesses no concrete or salient characteristics, differing in this regard from most of the major figures of the Bible and the Quran."[32] A common interpretation of the representation of "Trismegistus" as "thrice great" recalls the three characterizations of Idris: as a messenger of god, or a prophet; as a source of wisdom, or hikmet (wisdom from hokmah); and as a king of the world order, or a "sultanate". These are referred to as müselles bin ni'me.
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Hermeticism

"As above, so below" is an aphorism associated with sacred geometry, Hermeticism, and the Tarot.

The phrase derives from a passage in the Emerald Tablet (variously attributed to Hermes Trismegistus or Pseudo-Apollonius of Tyana). The 16th-century scholar Chrysogonus Polydorus provides the following version translated from the original Arabic into Latin:

Quod est inferius est sicut quod est superius. Et quod est superius est sicut quod est inferius, ad perpetranda miracula rei unius.
In Hermeticism, the phrase can be taken to indicate that earthly matters reflect the operation of the astral plane, particularly "by other means than mundane chains of cause and effect, such as Jungian synchronicities or correspondences."[1]

In a secular context, the phrase can refer to the idea that the microcosm reflects the macrocosm – for example, that individual or domestic ills can result from larger societal ills.

The Message, intended as a "version of the New Testament in a contemporary idiom",[2] uses the maxim in its translation of the Lord's Prayer from Matthew 6:10. (The prayer's phrase is traditionally rendered "on earth, as it is in heaven".)

Our Father in heaven,
Reveal who you are.
Set the world right;
Do what's best – as above, so below.[3]
 

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can anyone breakdown Alchemy and Hermeticism for me in plain and simple terms?

and the link to religion?
 

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if im not mistaken....Alchemy is about transformation...and ever lasting life

and by drinking snake venom this can be achieved

this is according to the book...The Serpent Grail
 

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can anyone breakdown Alchemy and Hermeticism for me in plain and simple terms?

and the link to religion?
Alchemy and hermeticism mean strife and their link to religion is that they can sometimes be structured in a way to legitimize chasing the wind.

Or I guess you could also compare the integration of alchemy and hermeticism with religion to trying to solve a rubics cube by trying to make one side match at a time. By the time you get to the next side, you will mess up the one you just did.

Although, the fact that these pursuits often lead to nothing doesn’t entirely make them harmful independently. It is more or less like they represent unsolvable math problems and there are a whole lot of people who think they are on the right track when they still are no where close to having understanding. A lot of it is just benign information and maybe there was more to it at one point, but this is lost.

Charlatans create harm, not these subjects by themselves. I am guessing this is not what you are looking for. Do you think these subjects are independently wicked?
 

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Alchemy and hermeticism mean strife and their link to religion is that they can sometimes be structured in a way to legitimize chasing the wind.

Or I guess you could also compare the integration of alchemy and hermeticism with religion to trying to solve a rubics cube by trying to make one side match at a time. By the time you get to the next side, you will mess up the one you just did.

Although, the fact that these pursuits often lead to nothing doesn’t entirely make them harmful independently. It is more or less like they represent unsolvable math problems and there are a whole lot of people who think they are on the right track when they still are no where close to having understanding. A lot of it is just benign information and maybe there was more to it at one point, but this is lost.

Charlatans create harm, not these subjects by themselves. I am guessing this is not what you are looking for. Do you think these subjects are independently wicked?
i dont think the subjects are wicked in any sense...its just that i came across it in the quran.

thus far i have found many things in the quran...and alchemy is mentioned throughout...

well coded into the quran for those with eyes to see
 

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i dont think the subjects are wicked in any sense...its just that i came across it in the quran.

thus far i have found many things in the quran...and alchemy is mentioned throughout...

well coded into the quran for those with eyes to see
Then, I'm afraid I'm a little confused. So what you are saying is that you distinguish a difference between these subjects and the Quran? Because it is my understanding that you are not in favor of the teachings of the Quran.

Have you ever read the Damascus document or heard of the teacher of righteousness?
 

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Then, I'm afraid I'm a little confused. So what you are saying is that you distinguish a difference between these subjects and the Quran? Because it is my understanding that you are not in favor of the teachings of the Quran.

Have you ever read the Damascus document or heard of the teacher of righteousness?
cant say ive heard or read of either....
 

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Then, I'm afraid I'm a little confused. So what you are saying is that you distinguish a difference between these subjects and the Quran? Because it is my understanding that you are not in favor of the teachings of the Quran.

Have you ever read the Damascus document or heard of the teacher of righteousness?
what im saying is..i came across lots of M's and W's coded in the quran...

both those letters mean AS ABOVE - SO BELOW...and that means alchemy and hermetic teachings..

i am a born muslim....that has always followed the quran...

since i became aware....of the coding then i have begun to distance myself from islam...

im still learning....dont get me wrong....but when i found my street name coded in surah 53....

ITS THE MATRIX.......
 

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what im saying is..i came across lots of M's and W's coded in the quran...

both those letters mean AS ABOVE - SO BELOW...and that means alchemy and hermetic teachings..

i am a born muslim....that has always followed the quran...

since i became aware....of the coding then i have begun to distance myself from islam...

im still learning....dont get me wrong....but when i found my street name coded in surah 53....

ITS THE MATRIX.......
Thank you for trying to clarify, but I still don't quite understand why you would feel the need to distance yourself from Islam if you don't see anything wrong with alchemy hermeticism.

When you say M's and W's are coded in the Quran, what do you mean? Does this mean that you are reading the Quran in English when you are seeing this connection?
 

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The fact that you didn't read the Quran, make its wrong for you to insinuate any form of worship apart from Allah. Quran talks of Jesus son of Mary, not the son of god as Christians want the world to believe. Which is a blasphemy against one true God, why will God have a son ?. Why will a son of god not have power to save himself against the Romans but was crucified according to Bible, we Muslims believed he ascended heaven as a prophet of Allah. There is nothing like Trinity in Islam, but you will find it in Christianity ,ancient Egyptians religion and others. We all have read how Christianity was mixed with paganism to have Christmas on 25th of December, Easter Bunny rituals, the symbolism of wine as blood with bread as flesh.
Your argument does not make sense.
 

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what im saying is..i came across lots of M's and W's coded in the quran...

both those letters mean AS ABOVE - SO BELOW...and that means alchemy and hermetic teachings..

i am a born muslim....that has always followed the quran...

since i became aware....of the coding then i have begun to distance myself from islam...

im still learning....dont get me wrong....but when i found my street name coded in surah 53....

ITS THE MATRIX.......
I don’t get it...
 
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